Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-27 Thread Phil Daley
At 5/27/2005 12:16 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >Just thinking about this, it seems to me that the problem for >MakeMusic with PDF on Windows is probably that it has to be licensed >from Adobe. Given that the PDF support on OS X is built in, and >surely with a defined API, that means MakeMusic woul

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 May 2005 at 18:08, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > David W. Fenton schrieb: > > >>Finale always supported two different native graphics formats, TIFF > >>and PICT. Eventually TIFF was included on the Mac platform as well, > >>as the Mac uses that, too. But as far as I know Pict is only > >>suppor

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-27 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David W. Fenton schrieb: Finale always supported two different native graphics formats, TIFF and PICT. Eventually TIFF was included on the Mac platform as well, as the Mac uses that, too. But as far as I know Pict is only supported on the Mac platform. But PICT is a bitmapped graphics forma

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 May 2005 at 9:29, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > David W. Fenton schrieb: > > Now, I do think that the argument that PDF is now native to OS X is > > a persuasive one in terms of arguing what Finale should support on > > OS X. However, there is no such native support in Windows, nor do I > > know

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-27 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David W. Fenton schrieb: Now, I do think that the argument that PDF is now native to OS X is a persuasive one in terms of arguing what Finale should support on OS X. However, there is no such native support in Windows, nor do I know if the next major release of Windows, Longhorn, will incorpora

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 26 May 2005, at 8:26 PM, Eric Dussault wrote: The difference is that eps in Finale are single page files, and pdf are multi-pages files. Eric, PDFs can be as many or as few pages as you want. It's just as easy to create a single-page PDF as it is to create a single-page EPS. (Easier, ac

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Eric Dussault
The difference is that eps in Finale are single page files, and pdf are multi-pages files. Multi-pages are less flexible and more complicated to handle. It seems to be possible in pagemaker to work with mult-pages files but it needs a lot more work than just placing a generic eps link. Darc

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 May 2005 at 18:57, Darcy James Argue wrote: > I'm not sure I'm following you, Eric. I'm not familiar with > PageMaker, but any publishing app ought to be agnostic about file > types. If it can embed EPS, it should be able to embed other graphic > types, including PDF -- right? I don't fin

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Darcy James Argue
I'm not sure I'm following you, Eric. I'm not familiar with PageMaker, but any publishing app ought to be agnostic about file types. If it can embed EPS, it should be able to embed other graphic types, including PDF -- right? Have you tried importing PDFs into PageMaker? If so, how does its

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Eric Dussault
Maybe there is something I don't get. I work with Pagemaker (it would be the same with InDesign) for the book layout. I use a default document that has all the pages (eps) placed, so when I export eps from Finale to Pagemaker, it links the eps automatically, and every time I make correction

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Wed, 25 May 2005 14:40:35 -0500, Paul Hayden wrote: > 1. I'm still using FinMac 2004c (under OS X 10.3.5), but > I've read that FinMac 2005 also gives you that font warning > on _every_ single page you try to export as an EPS file. I'm > so frustrated with this that I'm booting in OS 9 and usin

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Well, for me this extra step is a killer. Ideally FinMac should get PDF export capabilities in the graphics tool, since PDF is the standard on MacOSX. Johannes Darcy James Argue schrieb: Hi Robert, I agree, it's an extra step, but since PDF export is very fast and (mostly) reliable, wherea

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Robert, as far as I can tell EPS currently works with the following limitations: - Some fonts (actually most of them) don't get imbedded. That means a) that you get the dreaded font warning (merely a nuissance) and b) the EPS files are not easily portable. I have not been able to understand wh

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Robert, I agree, it's an extra step, but since PDF export is very fast and (mostly) reliable, whereas EPS export is very slow and buggy, it's probably a *faster* extra step, and unlike EPS in FinMacOSX, PDF's are WYSIWYG. Of course, if you're importing into Word, the question is moot, bec

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Patterson
Okay, that's an improvement. But it still isn't as convenient as the Graphics Tool. (That is, it is an extra step.) > -Original Message- > From: Christopher Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > As Darcy pointed out to me recently (to my surprise!) you can crop a > one-page PDF in pre-Tig

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 26, 2005, at 10:14 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: One the main uses I have had recently for EPS is taking small musical examples into a text article in Word. I did it in MacFin03, and it worked extremely well. It is difficult for me to see how PDF would have been any where near as conveni

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Patterson
arbitrary rectangle for exporting to EPS. I don't recall any way to do this with PDF. > -Original Message- > From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 05:25 AM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Includin

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-25 Thread Darcy James Argue
Again, provided the destination app is PDF-aware (i.e., Quark, InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator, Pages, etc), I really strongly recommend Mac people go with PDF instead of EPS. In most cases, there is no benefit at all to using EPS instead of PDF, and people have already detailed the numerous

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-25 Thread Eric Dussault
Le 05-05-25 à 15:40, Paul Hayden a écrit : Other possible problems with EPS export on a Mac: 1. I'm still using FinMac 2004c (under OS X 10.3.5), but I've read that FinMac 2005 also gives you that font warning on _every_ single page you try to export as an EPS file. I'm so frustrated with

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-25 Thread Paul Hayden
Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2) EPS export works in Mac OS X, but the onscreen graphic preview is very low quality compared to OS 9. The print quality, however, is fine. Other possible problems with EPS export on a Mac: 1. I'm still using FinMac 2004c (under OS X 10.3.5), but

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-25 Thread John Roberts
There are some things that don't work in Mac OSX. I have found that if I am using a font with more than 2 weights, only the "regular" and the next weight up, which might be "semibold" are incorporated, and the heavier weights seem to be inaccessible. I don't know how OSX font management works (I'm

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-25 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Robert, There are two main issues: 1) EPS export doesn't work in WinFin. This is a longstanding problem. 2) EPS export works in Mac OS X, but the onscreen graphic preview is very low quality compared to OS 9. The print quality, however, is fine. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-25 Thread Robert Patterson
Can someone explain to me the issues with EPS? I have seen several posts over recent months about EPS being broken but I didn't quite understand them. Is the problem that EPS files cannot be re-imported back into Finale with the Graphic tool? Is the problem with all EPS's or just EPS's created w