Re: [Finale] Word extension question
I have the corrected proofs back. Only a very few changes, mainly punctuation to comply with the approved printed text. However, there's another question on which I'd like your collective wisdom please... Should a punctuation mark be after a word or at the end of the extension line? : a) peace; __ or b) peace __ ; I like a), client likes b), but both of us will bow to your expert knowledge. :) FinWin 2005 can only do a) as far as I can see, b) is a kludge, by inserting the mark and a hard space at the beginning of the next word, but this doesn't work at the end of a system - I would need to use an expression. Thanks ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
A) is definitely in agreement with common practice. B) is actually cited as wrong by most of my sources. Christopher On Tue Oct 4, at TuesdayOct 4 5:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: I have the corrected proofs back. Only a very few changes, mainly punctuation to comply with the approved printed text. However, there's another question on which I'd like your collective wisdom please... Should a punctuation mark be after a word or at the end of the extension line? : a) peace; __ or b) peace __ ; I like a), client likes b), but both of us will bow to your expert knowledge. :) FinWin 2005 can only do a) as far as I can see, b) is a kludge, by inserting the mark and a hard space at the beginning of the next word, but this doesn't work at the end of a system - I would need to use an expression. Thanks ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
At 10:21 AM +0100 10/4/11, Peter Taylor wrote: I have the corrected proofs back. Only a very few changes, mainly punctuation to comply with the approved printed text. However, there's another question on which I'd like your collective wisdom please... Should a punctuation mark be after a word or at the end of the extension line? : a) peace; __ or b) peace __ ; I like a), client likes b), but both of us will bow to your expert knowledge. :) FinWin 2005 can only do a) as far as I can see, b) is a kludge, by inserting the mark and a hard space at the beginning of the next word, but this doesn't work at the end of a system - I would need to use an expression. Thanks Your a) is standard practice, and lets the singer know at the beginning of the extension how the sentence is going to proceed instead of waiting, as you suggest, until the end of a melisma on the next system. That's probably why it's what Finale is set up to do. The Chicago Style Manual (which is revised every few years to stay current) is probably the best reference for something like this, which is considered cut and dried in publication style even though clients can try to be creative if they don't know the rules. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
On Oct 4, 2011, at 2:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: Should a punctuation mark be after a word or at the end of the extension line? : a) peace; __ or b) peace __ ; There is some tradition for both, but (a) is more common in every era and near-universal now. All the software packages have supported (a) and failed to implement (b), and that has probably contributed to making (a) even more standard than it was. Excluding handwritten scores, I don't think I've seen (b) in anything published in the last 50 years at least. I have a client who prefers (b) and always hand-writes that way. I rather like it, too. But neither of us prefers it so much as to go to the trouble of kludging it every time. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
Peter Taylor wrote: Should a punctuation mark be after a word or at the end of the extension line? : a) peace; __ or b) peace __ ; For whatever my opinion might be worth, if the extension is only an extension, I prefer the first option; where the word extension is being used as a placeholder allowing for insertion of some other text, then I'd tend to prefer the second. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
Thankyou everyone, that's unanimous. The music will be off to the printers in the morning. Peter From: Mark D Lew markd...@earthlink.net On Oct 4, 2011, at 2:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: Should a punctuation mark be after a word or at the end of the extension line? : a) peace; __ or b) peace __ ; There is some tradition for both, but (a) is more common in every era and near-universal now. All the software packages have supported (a) and failed to implement (b), and that has probably contributed to making (a) even more standard than it was. Excluding handwritten scores, I don't think I've seen (b) in anything published in the last 50 years at least. I have a client who prefers (b) and always hand-writes that way. I rather like it, too. But neither of us prefers it so much as to go to the trouble of kludging it every time. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
Peter This is how I'd approach your situation. I do concur with those who advise that this is a non-standard usage of word extensions, but I can also perceive that they may not, in fact, be extensions, but instead have another use. Therfore, first verify with your client exactly why she has the hand drawn lines in her MS. They may not be intended as word extensions, though word extensions might be a good way to achieve what she intends. I know how to insert word extensions that cover two or more notes. How do you insert one within the span of one note? 1. Select the measure tool, and add extra space to the measure. 2. Set the measure for beat chart spacing. 3. Use the word extension for the second extension (the one extending from to to just short of e[ternal]. You insert the word extension within the span of one note by selecting the handle on the word extension when you select adjust word extensions from the drop down menu. You can move the extension as far as you want, although in some earlier versions of Finale you had to kludge a new word extension in the beginning of each system. 4. Use a smart shape line to create the searlier extension in the bar. The reason for doing the second first is that you can use it to line up the first. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
Just an update for those who were kind enough to help. I took the proofs to show the composer today and when I showed her the bar in question she said, Oh, you mean THAT bar. Those lines are to indicate where words have been missed out. The priest sings a long sentence here, and there's no need to print all the words, just a few at the end as a cue for the congregation to know when to join in. So some of you were wise to advise checking with her. We settled on using one dotted line, which I'm going to add with the smartshape tool. Unless you have a better suggestion of course! :) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
I once spent almost a whole weekend producing a spreadsheet for someone who had asked for a spreadsheet. Turned out he didn't know what a spreadsheet was but thought using the word made him sound clever. Same person had a virus on his computer the first day he had it. He didn't know what a virus was either. Given that he hald a senior position and could talk knowledgeably on his main subject, I checked out a few things on that too. He knew nowt! All the best, Lawrence On 28 September 2011 17:32, Peter Taylor pe...@euphonium.plus.com wrote: Oh, you mean THAT bar. Those lines are to indicate where words have been missed out. The priest sings a long sentence here, and there's no need to print all the words, just a few at the end as a cue for the congregation to know when to join in. _ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
On Sep 28, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: Just an update for those who were kind enough to help. I took the proofs to show the composer today and when I showed her the bar in question she said, Oh, you mean THAT bar. Those lines are to indicate where words have been missed out. The priest sings a long sentence here, and there's no need to print all the words, just a few at the end as a cue for the congregation to know when to join in. In that case I would use ellipses instead of underscores. Simple. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
At 5:32 PM +0100 9/28/11, Peter Taylor wrote: Just an update for those who were kind enough to help. I took the proofs to show the composer today and when I showed her the bar in question she said, Oh, you mean THAT bar. Those lines are to indicate where words have been missed out. The priest sings a long sentence here, and there's no need to print all the words, just a few at the end as a cue for the congregation to know when to join in. So some of you were wise to advise checking with her. We settled on using one dotted line, which I'm going to add with the smartshape tool. Unless you have a better suggestion of course! :) Well, the conventional way to indicate that is an ellipsis--3 dots separated from the syllables on either side by a space. On Macs it can be typed with Option (Alt) + semicolon, like as one word. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
From: Mark D Lew In that case I would use ellipses instead of underscores. Simple. Done! Thanks. John, thanks but I'm on Windows. An ellispis is Alt+0133 on the num pad. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Word extension question
I have a problem I've never had to deal with before. I'm using WinFin 2005. I know how to insert word extensions that cover two or more notes. How do you insert one within the span of one note? (The opposite of a melisma). I'm working on a choral score for a Mass. One bar contains a breve (double whole note), on which the Celebrant has to sing : | ___ and lead us to _ e | ternal (ternal being in the next bar). My client has hand-drawn extension lines on her m/s score before and and between to and e as shown, presumably to indicate to the Celebrant to draw out these syllables. I'm sure there's a workaround for this, there always is! Help much appreciated. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
Can you not do this with an underscore on the keyboard? On 27 September 2011 16:45, Peter Taylor pe...@euphonium.plus.com wrote: | ___ and lead us to _ e | ternal (ternal being in the next bar). My client has hand-drawn extension lines on her m/s score before and and between to and e as shown, presumably to indicate to the Celebrant to draw out these syllables. I'm sure there's a workaround for this, there always is! Help much appreciated. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
On Sep 27, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: I have a problem I've never had to deal with before. I'm using WinFin 2005. I know how to insert word extensions that cover two or more notes. How do you insert one within the span of one note? (The opposite of a melisma). I'm working on a choral score for a Mass. One bar contains a breve (double whole note), on which the Celebrant has to sing : | ___ and lead us to _ e | ternal (ternal being in the next bar). My client has hand-drawn extension lines on her m/s score before and and between to and e as shown, presumably to indicate to the Celebrant to draw out these syllables. I'm sure there's a workaround for this, there always is! Help much appreciated. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale The perfect drive..a diminishing sphere of white impaling the azure heavens in a graceful ellipticheight and distance vying for supremacy..compatriot's jowls lax, eyes huge, their raucous paeans thinly veiling jealousy..one stroke justifying a capricious investment in the titanium industry. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
- Original Message - From: Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Word extension question Can you not do this with an underscore on the keyboard? Thank you Lawrence. I did try that but the moment you enter the underscore the cursor jumps to the next note. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
- Original Message - From: Dean M. Estabrook d.e...@comcast.net To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Word extension question The perfect drive..a diminishing sphere of white impaling the azure heavens in a graceful ellipticheight and distance vying for supremacy..compatriot's jowls lax, eyes huge, their raucous paeans thinly veiling jealousy..one stroke justifying a capricious investment in the titanium industry. Dean M. Estabrook I don't understand why you posted this. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
Wow, Dean! That's a WAY better answer than mine would have been! Can you send some of whatever you're imbibing my way? To Peter, most likely your client misunderstands the use of word extensions. They should only be used for non-hyphenated syllables under more than one notehead. You should correct that in your work for him. But if you HAD to, just click Adjust Word Extensions (this will be in a different place in 2011 than in previous versions) and handles will appear. Drag the handle to change the length. Hyphenated syllables will not have word extension handles, but you can add a Smart line manually. I don't recommend either solution, as it is incorrect notation and will just generate useless questions in rehearsal. Christopher - Original Message - From: Dean M. Estabrook d.e...@comcast.net Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [Finale] Word extension question To: finale@shsu.edu On Sep 27, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: I have a problem I've never had to deal with before. I'm using WinFin 2005. I know how to insert word extensions that cover two or more notes. How do you insert one within the span of one note? (The opposite of a melisma). I'm working on a choral score for a Mass. One bar contains a breve (double whole note), on which the Celebrant has to sing : | ___ and lead us to _ e | ternal (ternal being in the next bar). My client has hand-drawn extension lines on her m/s score before and and between to and e as shown, presumably to indicate to the Celebrant to draw out these syllables. I'm sure there's a workaround for this, there always is! Help much appreciated. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale The perfect drive..a diminishing sphere of white impaling the azure heavens in a graceful ellipticheight and distance vying for supremacy..compatriot's jowls lax, eyes huge, their raucous paeans thinly veiling jealousy..one stroke justifying a capricious investment in the titanium industry. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
I would switch to another level, fill the bar with, say, eighth notes, enter the text where I want it (including word extensions), hide the notes, and then switch back to the original level. Howard On 27.09.2011 17:45, Peter Taylor wrote: I have a problem I've never had to deal with before. I'm using WinFin 2005. I know how to insert word extensions that cover two or more notes. How do you insert one within the span of one note? (The opposite of a melisma). I'm working on a choral score for a Mass. One bar contains a breve (double whole note), on which the Celebrant has to sing : | ___ and lead us to _ e | ternal (ternal being in the next bar). My client has hand-drawn extension lines on her m/s score before and and between to and e as shown, presumably to indicate to the Celebrant to draw out these syllables. I'm sure there's a workaround for this, there always is! Help much appreciated. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Howard Weiner h.wei...@online.de http://howard-weiner.de/ If vegetarians eat only vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
On 27.09.2011 20:45, Howard Weiner wrote: I would switch to another level, fill the bar with, say, eighth notes, enter the text where I want it (including word extensions), hide the notes, and then switch back to the original level. I of course meant layer. Sorry! Howard Howard On 27.09.2011 17:45, Peter Taylor wrote: I have a problem I've never had to deal with before. I'm using WinFin 2005. I know how to insert word extensions that cover two or more notes. How do you insert one within the span of one note? (The opposite of a melisma). I'm working on a choral score for a Mass. One bar contains a breve (double whole note), on which the Celebrant has to sing : | ___ and lead us to _ e | ternal (ternal being in the next bar). My client has hand-drawn extension lines on her m/s score before and and between to and e as shown, presumably to indicate to the Celebrant to draw out these syllables. I'm sure there's a workaround for this, there always is! Help much appreciated. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Howard Weiner h.wei...@online.de http://howard-weiner.de/ If vegetarians eat only vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
Dean didn't post it; apparently, someone hijacked his email address. Wade Kotter On 9/27/2011 at 12:36 PM, in message B891FE25AD0B4846818A2E9F03025F2D@mr4bedea3cc424, Peter Taylor pe...@euphonium.plus.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Dean M. Estabrook d.e...@comcast.net To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Word extension question The perfect drive..a diminishing sphere of white impaling the azure heavens in a graceful ellipticheight and distance vying for supremacy..compatriot's jowls lax, eyes huge, their raucous paeans thinly veiling jealousy..one stroke justifying a capricious investment in the titanium industry. Dean M. Estabrook I don't understand why you posted this. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
Peter. In chant notation when several syllables are to be chanted on a single tone, no extensions are needed. If the choir sings a sustained chord (or unison} against a cantor or priest, there should still be no word extensions. Hal Owen Can you not do this with an underscore on the keyboard? On 27 September 2011 16:45, Peter Taylor pe...@euphonium.plus.com wrote: | ___ and lead us to _ e | ternal (ternal being in the next bar). My client has hand-drawn extension lines on her m/s score before and and between to and e as shown, presumably to indicate to the Celebrant to draw out these syllables. I'm sure there's a workaround for this, there always is! Help much appreciated. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Harold Owen 1375 Olive Street #402, Eugene, OR 97401 mailto:hjo...@uoregon.edu Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen/ FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: To Peter, most likely your client misunderstands the use of word extensions. They should only be used for non-hyphenated syllables under more than one notehead. You should correct that in your work for him. But if you HAD to, just click Adjust Word Extensions (this will be in a different place in 2011 than in previous versions) and handles will appear. Drag the handle to change the length. Hyphenated syllables will not have word extension handles, but you can add a Smart line manually. I don't recommend either solution, as it is incorrect notation and will just generate useless questions in rehearsal. I don't agree with that. I understand that the standard is to only use a word extension when a syllable continues to another note, but in a situation where one voice has a long whole note while others are doing something else, I think the irregular courtesy word extension does no harm and could be helpful. If a client asks for such a thing, I don't think it's an unreasonable request, I don't think it will cause any confusion in rehearsal, and I wouldn't tell him it's incorrect notation. But anyway, I don't think this is actually what Peter is asking for. His real issue is that he's putting multiple syllables under one long note. When you do this, Finale refuses to allow a space, hyphen or underscore among them, because its UI treats that as a code to jump to the next note. For the space you can substitute a hard space. For the hyphen you can supposedly substitute a hard hyphen, though in many fonts it will look wrong. For an underscore you're out of luck. What I would do here is to enter the whole intoned bit as a text box instead of a lyric. (You may want to initially enter it as a lyric to help with getting the font size and baseline properly aligned, but then delete the lyric once you have the text box in place.) mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
- Original Message - From: christopher.sm...@videotron.ca To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Word extension question To Peter, most likely your client misunderstands the use of word extensions. They should only be used for non-hyphenated syllables under more than one notehead. You should correct that in your work for him. But if you HAD to, just click Adjust Word Extensions (this will be in a different place in 2011 than in previous versions) and handles will appear. Drag the handle to change the length. Hyphenated syllables will not have word extension handles, but you can add a Smart line manually. I don't recommend either solution, as it is incorrect notation and will just generate useless questions in rehearsal. Christopher Thanks Christopher. I called my client and explained the problem. I said the reason it can't be done in Finale is because it is incorrect notation. She felt that was strange, she has other examples of it apparently, but she isn't adamant about the extension lines. Anyway, I managed a fudge - the usual thing (if in doubt create an expression) :o) Thanks for your answer. Peter ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
- Original Message - From: Howard Weiner h.wei...@online.de To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Word extension question I would switch to another level, fill the bar with, say, eighth notes, enter the text where I want it (including word extensions), hide the notes, and then switch back to the original level. Howard Hey, Howard, that works! I'd thought of putting notes on another layer, but I didn't try it because I imagined the lyrics would disappear when you hide them, like note expressions do, but they don't! I'll put that in my scrapbook of workarounds. Thanks for your answer. Peter ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
- Original Message - From: Harold Owen hjo...@uoregon.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Word extension question Peter. In chant notation when several syllables are to be chanted on a single tone, no extensions are needed. If the choir sings a sustained chord (or unison} against a cantor or priest, there should still be no word extensions. Hal Owen Thankyou Hal. I asked my client about it and told her what you'd said (see my reply to Christopher). I'm not well experienced in the rules of scoring liturgical music, and certainly not the Catholic Mass, so your help was very welcome. Out of interest, would word extensions be correct if you wanted to pinpoint words to certain notes in an operatic cadenza? I've always done that without any queries. Peter ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
- Original Message - From: Mark D Lew markd...@earthlink.net I don't agree with that. I understand that the standard is to only use a word extension when a syllable continues to another note, but in a situation where one voice has a long whole note while others are doing something else, I think the irregular courtesy word extension does no harm and could be helpful. If a client asks for such a thing, I don't think it's an unreasonable request, I don't think it will cause any confusion in rehearsal, and I wouldn't tell him it's incorrect notation. Mark, I don't yet know what the choir will be doing while the cantor is canting. This piece is a forced revision to my client's original work because there have been changes made to the actual church service. I'm not a Catholic so I'm not familiar with this. So far I only have the original score and the revisions to the booklet used by the congregation. The revised score isn't ready yet. The choir is holding a long note in the original, but I believe this is going to be changed. I believe the extension lines were drawn because the cantor has to delay the words to an extent, or maybe more accurately, hold certain syllables, but until the score is completed I can't tie everything in together. But anyway, I don't think this is actually what Peter is asking for. His real issue is that he's putting multiple syllables under one long note. When you do this, Finale refuses to allow a space, hyphen or underscore among them, because its UI treats that as a code to jump to the next note. For the space you can substitute a hard space. For the hyphen you can supposedly substitute a hard hyphen, though in many fonts it will look wrong. For an underscore you're out of luck. What I would do here is to enter the whole intoned bit as a text box instead of a lyric. (You may want to initially enter it as a lyric to help with getting the font size and baseline properly aligned, but then delete the lyric once you have the text box in place.) mdl You've hit the nail on the head Mark. I've actually entered the lines and words using a note expression. It works fine, and of course it will move with the note if any layout changes are made later. I'm treating this as a proofing draft for the time being. I fully expect it will need to be changed later when I get the revised score. Many thanks Peter ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
At 9:48 PM +0100 9/27/11, Peter Taylor wrote: Out of interest, would word extensions be correct if you wanted to pinpoint words to certain notes in an operatic cadenza? I've always done that without any queries. Word extension are always correct for melismas, and I would always add slurs as well in order to be perfectly clear, although some publishers in some countries at some times do NOT use slurs for melismas in vocal music. And in fact that would be the ONLY way to lay out the lyrics when words must come on certain notes, which is perfectly normal except in a chanted usage. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Word extension question
At 4:45 PM +0100 9/27/11, Peter Taylor wrote: I have a problem I've never had to deal with before. I'm using WinFin 2005. I know how to insert word extensions that cover two or more notes. How do you insert one within the span of one note? (The opposite of a melisma). I'm working on a choral score for a Mass. One bar contains a breve (double whole note), on which the Celebrant has to sing : | ___ and lead us to _ e | ternal (ternal being in the next bar). My client has hand-drawn extension lines on her m/s score before and and between to and e as shown, presumably to indicate to the Celebrant to draw out these syllables. I'm sure there's a workaround for this, there always is! Help much appreciated. Thanks. Is this chant on a reciting note? (The word celebrant and the use of a breve suggests it.) If so, the convention is NOT to get fancy with the text presentation. It can be difficult enough to figure out the pointing without getting creative with it! And as a singer I would be surprised and confused to see a word extension added to a single note/syllable. I know that doesn't answer your question, but you might want to question your client about her intention. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
