On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, at 11:05 PM, Joel Hacker wrote:
Kernel panics? Oh, man, now I KNOW I'm not going to bother with KDE
yet. All I want is to run GIMP and what I love most about Mac is
stability, KDE isn't worth it if it means losing that. Anybody had
any luck with
Just had an idea. It's rare, but it does happen occasionally. The
stated goal of the fink project is to bring Linux software to Mac OS X,
right? Well, how about a new approach to that goal? How about making
the Mac-On-Linux project work in reverse, Linux on Mac? Forgive my
ignorance, but
Hello!
I´m just a user of fink and not a programmer, so forgive my naive
question. (It isn't a fink question) and maybe you wonder why I asked
this question here. The reason is that I can not subscribe to the
appropriate mailinglist because my ISP is classified as a
spamer/openrelay by
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 04:16:24AM -0400, Joel Hacker wrote:
Just had an idea. It's rare, but it does happen occasionally.
Obviously.
The
stated goal of the fink project is to bring Linux software to Mac OS X,
right?
No.
Opinions? Comments? Rude remarks? Anyone?
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 02:05 AM, Joel Hacker wrote:
Kernel panics? Oh, man, now I KNOW I'm not going to bother with KDE
yet. All I want is to run GIMP and what I love most about Mac is
stability, KDE isn't worth it if it means losing that. Anybody had
any luck with Gnome
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 07:13 AM, Benjamin Reed wrote:
I know a few people who have had stability problems and all of them
use sleep considerably more than I do, it seems that the
power-management stuff makes the system considerably more unstable.
This is all circumstantial,
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 05:00 AM, Charlie Allom wrote:
The Fink project wants to bring the full world of Unix Open Source
software to Darwin and Mac OS X.
/quote
If you can't differentiate between the idea of UNIX as a set of tools
and
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Joel Hacker wrote:
So, would you mind telling me how it is that making a virtual machine to
run open-source software ISN'T bringing open source software to OS X?
Who actually cares if it's Unix or Linux, all the tools are practically
the same? Do you have an actual
It isn't clear how planting a virtual machine version of the Linux
kernel
above Darwin and below the Linux/Unix/BSD/POSIX toolkit that already
runs
natively on Darwin is going to help anything. You see?
It wouldn't help the user, not directly anyway. I mainly think this
would be
Here's another question: what fraction of all of the open source
applications out there have been ported to run on a Mac under Linux? If
there's quite a few that have not, then such a scheme would require either
(1) porting to Mac Linux--and if you have to port, why not go Darwin
native?
(2)
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Joel Hacker wrote:
It wouldn't help the user, not directly anyway. I mainly think this
would be a good idea for the maintainers. Having only ONE app to
maintain, and that ONE app making it possible to run ALL the open-source
software on a Mac without having to reboot.
Dear Fink Users and Maintainers,
Thank you for this great software.
I've been monitoring the list for information that applies to my rather
light use of Fink (mySQL and PERL CGIs), and the back and forth about Kernel
Panic leads me to expose my ignorance and ask a question that may or may not
Joel Hacker writes:
It wouldn't help the user, not directly anyway. I mainly
think this would be a good idea for the maintainers. Having
only ONE app to maintain, and that ONE app making it possible
to run ALL the open-source software on a Mac without having to
reboot. Get it?
It
At 11:06 AM -0400 25/9/02, Koen van der Drift wrote:
I don't recall that I need python, tcltk, and xfree86 to install anacron,
after all it's not a XWindows app. What changed that I now need all the
other packages? Maybe some of them are a build-depend, but that still means
it takes me a whole
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 08:42 AM, Alexander Hansen wrote:
Here's another question: what fraction of all of the open source
applications out there have been ported to run on a Mac under Linux?
To the best of my knowledge, just about everything. Yellow Dog is a
Linux Distro
That only works for 10.1.x--for 10.2 there's no binary distro yet.
--
Alexander K. Hansen
Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma
Science and Fusion Center
Levitated Dipole Experiment
175 Albany Street, NW17-219
Cambridge, MA 02139-4213
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Kevin
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:16 AM, Chris Devers wrote:
No, I don't. I think you're assuming that Linux itself is some kind of
monolithic, standardized machine.
No, you misunderstand. What I propose is a Virtual Machine Like Virtual
PC that EMULATES THE HARDWARE ONLY, but emulates
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:59 AM, Viktor Haag wrote:
If your emulator box goes down, then *all* of the Fink binaries
become useless until I can get the emulator box up again.
Good point, but it's a trade-off. Getting one app stable has got to be
an easier proposition than
Joel Hacker writes:
I agree that having native Darwin apps is necessary and even
noble, but using Xfree86 on Mac OS X isn't really native
anyway
That's a good point: I would be in favour of people spending time
to port X apps to use the native Quartz/Aqua engine, but most of
the stuff I
As an aside, I looked at the mac-on-linux page and apparently you can boot
OSX from within Linux/PPC, so the reverse operation is possible.
--
Alexander K. Hansen
Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma
Science and Fusion Center
Levitated Dipole Experiment
175 Albany
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Naf wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't think that's what people want. I think what's
exciting about fink is that it makes it possible for you to get all
sorts of Unix applications running ***natively*** on your Mac.
Forgive me for being
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Joel Hacker wrote:
No, you misunderstand. What I propose is a Virtual Machine Like
Virtual PC that EMULATES THE HARDWARE ONLY, but emulates another
PowerPC machine on a Mac instead of an x86 machine.
Ok, whatever, if it makes sense to you have at it. I still see little
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 10:08:52AM -0400, Joel Hacker wrote:
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 08:42 AM, Alexander Hansen wrote:
Here's another question: what fraction of all of the open source
applications out there have been ported to run on a Mac under Linux?
To the best of my
If I knew how to write software, I would already be working on
Linux-on-Mac instead of discussing it here. ;) Don't let the name
fool you, it actually IS my name (and a fairly common one among people
of Germanic descent). I am no developer nor do I have any delusions of
being one. I like
I think you don't have much experience with *nix in general. A lot of free
software is ported to many different OSes, Solaris, all the flavors of
Linux, BSD, etc. Some programs remain firmly tied to one Linux distro,
etc, and you have to port them yourself.
Your idea, while interesting
I was trying to install gnucash and found that the install process gets
stuck on uri-pm. After trying multiple mirrors--all say that the file
can't be found, I inevitably hit gusp.dyndns.org, which gives me an HTML file
which says that URI-1.18.tar.gz is nonexistent.
My working assumption is
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Joel Hacker wrote:
I have already received numerous truly venomous responses to what I
thought were perfectly innocent remarks. If I haven't left yet why
would I now? I believe in this project and support it fully, despite
the unwarranted attacks I have received from
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 12:18 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
Sorry if I wasn't too kind in my previous reply,
No apologies necessary, my feelings cannot be harmed by strangers.
Obviously nobody thinks this would be a good idea but me, I have
absolutely no problem with that. I
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 07:47 AM, Joel Hacker wrote:
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 05:00 AM, Charlie Allom wrote:
The Fink project wants to bring the full world of Unix Open Source
software to Darwin and Mac OS X.
/quote
If you
While technically true, many of the 10.1 binaries will actually work on
10.2. We just don't warranty it, because a lot of them won't. :)
-Ben
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 07:10 AM, Alexander Hansen wrote:
That only works for 10.1.x--for 10.2 there's no binary distro yet.
I stand corrected: I normally work from source, and so I never bothered
updating the info for the bindist--Fink Commander showed no binaries
available, and that was good enough for me!
--
Alexander K. Hansen
Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma
Science and
Title: here's the circular problem that got me in
trouble
I found it again!
postgresql is the package requesting
/usr/local/lib/libgcc.dylib
and I got myself in trouble earlier this week because I found how
to get it
now I'm back to where I was before
and postgresql got updated again... it
"fink rebuild postgresql-ssl"
-Ben
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 11:37 AM, lenny bruce wrote:
I found it again!
postgresql is the package requesting /usr/local/lib/libgcc.dylib
and I got myself in trouble ea
MacOS X 10.2
fink --version
Package manager version: 0.10.0.cvs
Distribution version: 0.4.0.cvs
August Dev Tools
Upgraded Fink for 10.2
I wrote about this problem to the maintainer of the package, Masanori Sekino, but got no answer.
Since ages, I'm trying to update this package and it keeps
I've got an old DP machine (450) running 10.2 and haven't had a kernel
panic when installing fink. I've both updated fink to 10.2-relevant
packages from an established 10.1.5 installation, and bootstrapped the 10.2
packages from scratch.
--
Alexander K. Hansen
Associate Research Scientist,
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Alexander Hansen wrote:
I've got an old DP machine (450) running 10.2 and haven't had a kernel
panic when installing fink. I've both updated fink to 10.2-relevant
packages from an established 10.1.5 installation, and bootstrapped the 10.2
packages from scratch.
I
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 12:26 PM, John Melby wrote:
2) installing it from scratch, using the method described at
http://fink.sourceforge.net/news/jag-bootstrap.php. Nothing works.
What do you mean by nothing works? What do you type EXACTLY, and what
EXACTLY is the output?
Hi John,
I had some kernel panics during the build of various fink packages
until I disabled all Norton automatic features in FileSaver and
Virusscan. I brought up this point several times on this list, but up
to now I do not have a real confirmation from anybody else if that
cured their
I type EXACTLY what the Fink page says to type:
=
* Step 1: Install Mac OS X 10.2 and the OS X 10.2 Developer Tools.
A binary option is not yet available for the 10.2 version of Fink.
* Step 2: Obtain the files for the Fink installation. To do this,
create a directory finkcvs
On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, at 11:50 PM, Joel Hacker wrote:
Well, patch has frozen twice more, and now I can't even install just
Gimp because aalib fails to compile. This is the glitchiest piece of
garbage I have ever seen. Let me know when you actually update the
source to work
I had a patch hang (much pain) while doing a fink update-all, I
was running the active Norton Antivirus at the time. Everything
worked fine when I tried again after recovering, with it turned off.
It would be good if the instructions advised turning it off. Otherwise,
in 10.2.1, I am happy to
Marc Trudeau wrote:
[]
Command:Microsoft Excel
PID:976
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x9a8f94d5
Come on, you are not going to blame fink for the crashes of this kind of
software?
More seriously, programs do crash. The crash
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:47 pm, John Melby wrote:
BTW, you don't REALLY have to YELL. You should find out whether or not
someone is an IDIOT before you start SCREAMING!
One does wish people kept a civil tongue in their head. The Fink
maintainers are doing a labour of love and
I've got the netpbm package, but it doesn't seem to include
compface (not that it should). Is it contained in another fink
package? Or is it a find source and compile onesself kind of
thing?
--
Viktor Haag : Software Information Design : Research In Motion
+--+
lenny bruce wrote:
[]
Setting up postgresql-ssl (7.2.2-2) ...
dyld: daemonic can't open library: /usr/local/lib/libgcc.dylib (No
such file or directory, errno = 2)
This looks like daemonic was built while /usr/local/lib/libggc.dylib was
present. So I would recommend fink rebuild daemonic.
as you have probably noticed , under 10.2 , fullscreen mode is unusable
due to its slowness .
fluxbox is , IMHO , the best wm in term of usability and speed but it
is unusable in rootless mode because i have no access to the launcher
menu.
blackbox is the root of fluxbox and , fortunately ,
I am impressed by just how much stuff is available directly through
Fink. I am even more impressed, however, by everything available from
Debian proper. Naturally, x86 Debian packages aren't going to work on my
Mac.
I was wondering, however, if anyone knew how well it would work to add a
deb-src
Viktor Haag wrote:
I've got the netpbm package, but it doesn't seem to include
compface (not that it should). Is it contained in another fink
package? Or is it a find source and compile onesself kind of
thing?
You mean http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/compface ?
--
Martin
Remi--
I uninstalled Norton Utilities 7, and the problem still existed.
However, now that I've dumped Norton Antivirus, everything's working
beautifully. Thanks!
John
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 04:24 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:37:49 -0700
From: Remi
Thanks, Fernando! Thanks, Martin! (Thanks, List!)
First of all:
On 26/9/02 5:23 PM, Martin Costabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Come on, you are not going to blame fink for the crashes of this kind of
software?
(He then went on to say he was only kidding.)
And, no, I don't blame Fink, nor
On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 11:31 pm, Marc Trudeau wrote:
Is there ANY type of Mac or Unix application or driver I might have
installed that would be likely to cause many unrelated programs in my
system
to start accessing memory outside their respective spaces, when it
almost
Just last week I received my new Dual 1.25 GHz Power Mac with 1.5
GB RAM. I'm running Mac OS 10.2.1, and it's terrific for almost all
of my apps. However, I'm having a great deal of trouble with Fink:
every time I try to install it, I get one of Apple's kinder,
gentler multilingual kernel
Dear Alwyn, Fernando, and List,
On 26/9/02 7:19 PM, Alwyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No application should cause corruption in the memory of another
application, as Mac OS X has protected memory. A program operating in
kernel space, like a driver, might do so, however. What have you in the
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