Dear List, Joseph and John,
I'm not sure John's comments actually went out to the list, but they
were obviously intended to do so. I'm responding here to both as my
first post of the new week.
I do not disagree with Joseph's observations about predicate logic
with reference to describing th
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Dear list,
I like this question "Is nature orderly?" and agree that it is worthy
of discussion. However, let me ask
> Loet -- I would think that your statement
> supports my contention that what is taken to be
> naive confrontation with order in The World,
> differs according to which naive observer we are
> interrogating. Perhaps I should mention that
> view I take here goes back to Jacob von Uexküll,
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Dear Guy,
What is the "limited lens of perception" if it is not in fact the
window of empiricism?
That we perceive order at all simply testifies to the uniformity of
natural law, and by that measure I will argue that Nature is orderly.
But it should be clear that though I perceive patterns
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> Loet - the point of my moon example was only
s latter is somewhat like Heisenberg's uncertainty
Principle. So there can be aspects of Nature that seem not to be
orderly.
STAN
>3) How to measure order in our reflection -- see the above a) b) and c)
>points.
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So, on Bob's account below, order is stability via repetition. Yes,
I would say that that is ONE KIND of order.
STAN
>On Thu, 22 May 2008, Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez wrote:
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>> not been able to arrange any other
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On Thu, 22 May 2008, Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez wrote:
> It is a long time that we do not have discussions in the list. I have
> not been able to arrange any other "planned session" after Bob Logan's
> one, due to work reasons (changing to a new job months ago). It is not
> sure at all t
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above a) b) and c)
points.
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Dear list,
I like this
Reacting to the exchange below between Steven and Guy, my view is
that universal natural laws are known by us as a result of
observations made using machines (embodied logic) constructed by us
for the purpose. Laws are highly corroborated regularities so
discerned. Thus, they are orderly prod
Hi Steven,
I appreciate the distinction you draw between structural order and process
order. At least I think this is another way of describing your distinction.
I had structural order in mind, as you correctly inferred. With this
restriction, I would embrace the paragraph Stan subsequently post
Folks -- I must admit to be working on an article on this topic.
Here I paste in the Introduction. As you can see it does answer some
of the questions you participants have raised. As well, I am fully
prepared to have my perspective rejected (if that is possible!).
STAN
Dear Guy,
Let us get the first question out of the way. What, exactly, do you
mean by orderly? As you use it here you appear to mean there is
manifest order and that changes to become another manifest order. This
is not what I take the question "Is nature orderly?" to address.
Is there ord
Greetings all,
I, too, like the seed of this new discussion; although I recommend slight
modifications of the question. Frankly, I think it is undeniable that there
is a degree of orderliness, and a degree of disorder, in Nature. I also
think we would all agree that Nature constantly constructs
Another aspect is whether any
> order we may discern can be, as I suggest, logical in an expanded
> sense of logic. I would look forward to a discussion of this topic.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Joe Brenner
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Dear FIS colleagues,
It is a long time that we do not have discussions in the list. I have not
been able to arrange any other "planned session" after Bob Logan's one, due to
work reasons (changing to a new job months ago).
Dear FIS colleagues,
It is a long time that we do not have discussions in the list. I have
not been able to arrange any other "planned session" after Bob Logan's
one, due to work reasons (changing to a new job months ago). It is not
sure at all that in a few weeks there will be a new session a
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