Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-18 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Nikhil -- Leaving aside details of hierarchical structure, I point out, concerning economics: It seems that you have in mind a global economic system in your planning. Is that so? I think that the current global capitalist system would need to be eschewed. Then, this also would seem to involve a

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-17 Thread Francesco Rizzo
om:* Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Nikhil > Joshi > *Sent:* Thursday, 17 December 2015 10:53 > *To:* FIS Group > *Cc:* Nikhil Joshi > *Subject:* [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, > Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1 > > &

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-17 Thread John Collier
Behalf Of Nikhil Joshi Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2015 10:53 To: FIS Group Cc: Nikhil Joshi Subject: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1 Dear All, The research presented here is focused on gleaning insights leading to new solutions to the

[Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-17 Thread Nikhil Joshi
Dear All, The research presented here is focused on gleaning insights leading to new solutions to the economics vs ecosystem conflict. The roots of many of our problems in ecological sustainability lie in the fact that our socio-economic systems are largely focused on fulfilling only human need

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-12 Thread Stanley N Salthe
t; London; > > http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en > > > > *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Nikhil > Joshi > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 9:47 AM > *To:* FIS Group > *Cc:* Nikhil Joshi > *Subject:* Re: [F

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-11 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Nikhil, As regards ecosystems, some 20% or so of bound energy is retained via cycling, but the primary function of cycling as conservator is with limiting elements. Often 70+% of necessary elements are retained via cycling within the system. This becomes very evident when one regards coral re

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-11 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Nikhil Joshi Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:47 AM To: FIS Group Cc: Nikhil Joshi Subject: Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1 Dear Guy and FIS colleagues, Thank you for your

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-11 Thread Nikhil Joshi
Dear Guy and FIS colleagues, Thank you for your comments and the copy of your article. Your views on the roots of biological systems and their evolution in dissipate systems are very interesting. Your paper reminds me of a paper by Virgo and Froese on how simple dissipative structures can demons

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-02 Thread Nikhil Joshi
: fis@listas.unizar.es >> fis@listas.unizar.es > Cc: Nikhil Joshi > Subject: Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, > Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1 > > Dear Joseph and Stan, > > Both of you mention about earlier work on isomorphisms, and you al

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-01 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
Hi All, I have been following this thread with interest as much as time permits. I think multilevel approaches to understanding information flow is an important one. I also think the structure of natural systems exhibits both hierarchical and heterarchical features. The hierarchies we formal

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-01 Thread Xueshan Yan
ikhil Joshi Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 7:35 PM To: fis@listas.unizar.es >> fis@listas.unizar.es Cc: Nikhil Joshi Subject: Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1 Dear Joseph and Stan, Both of you mention about earlier work on isomor

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-01 Thread Nikhil Joshi
Dear Joseph and Stan, Both of you mention about earlier work on isomorphisms, and you also mention hetero-organization. If it is not inconvenient, may I request more information on this? You also mention that the use of self-organisation could be a distracting, could you recommend an alternate form

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-11-30 Thread Francesco Rizzo
he above discontinuity >> between levels seems to be replaced by a degree of continuity. Your >> statement implies to me interactions /between/ different levels, but are >> these interactions bi-directional reactions? How would the rates of forward >> and back reactions be related? >

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-11-27 Thread Francesco Rizzo
; intended to be constructive. > > Best wishes, > > Joseph > > > > - Original Message - From: "Pedro C. Marijuan" < > pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> > To: > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multile

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-11-27 Thread Joseph Brenner
From: "Pedro C. Marijuan" To: Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1 Dear Nikhil and colleagues (Bob, Stan...), Let me concur with Stan's arguments. I think you are working

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-11-27 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Nikhil and colleagues (Bob, Stan...), Let me concur with Stan's arguments. I think you are working with original ideas about two different instances of self-organization in Nature where metabolic-energetic flows are modulated by third parties in order to maintain some maximum of stab

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-11-25 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Nikhil -- In your search for a multilevel model of complex systems you claim to find a “common multilevel organizational pattern” (CMOP) in different levels. In this connection you claim that mycorrhiza networks, gut bacteria, and investment networks are functional equivalents at three different l