it must be paying for a lot of local country specialists, lawyers,
etc. which are unique to each country
Well, that makes sense, but as the article says, how then Adobe
competitors manage to keep that difference wy slower?
A little bit of overprice? Fair enough. But not *that* difference.
wow, that's an really good thread here. it hits the point.
but please sign this petition:
Online petition - Fair pricing for European Software / Des prix corrects pour
les logiciels vendus en Europe
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/fair-pricing-for-european-software.html
cheers,
max
Hi guys,
Sorry to bring this up again, but Danielle Libine has put up a really
interesting pdf about the subject. He gathers lots of data with really
clear graphics about prices and countries. Then a couple of questions
for Adobe:
http://web.mac.com/libine/iWeb/Site/Article.html
I think we
I will print this PDF and distribute it around ... to consumer
associations and the students
It has to be done whatever the reasons. Things must be fair and correct.
Thanks
Cedric
Hi guys,
Sorry to bring this up again, but Danielle Libine has put up a really
interesting pdf about the
Excellent article. I'll pass it around.
Ian
On 4/24/07, Zárate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys,
Sorry to bring this up again, but Danielle Libine has put up a really
interesting pdf about the subject. He gathers lots of data with really
clear graphics about prices and countries. Then a
A related issue which has got me wondering is what to do with some of
my old software...
The upgrade path to either CS3 Web Premium or Design premium assumes
that we have one of several existing versions of software including
Creative Suite 2 OR Macromedia Studio 8.
I'm sure there are
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for prices changing from this,
unfortunately.
At the end of the day pricing is purely a marketing function, and in that
world the only rule is to charge as much as the customer is willing to pay.
Then there are hundreds of ways to justify the price by calling
Yes it is totally f*ckd up - production bundle upgrade:
us: $1199 / €897 eu/spain: $2630 / €1967
So guess which side of the atlantic i am buying my upgrade ;-)
Cheers,
B) Søren
On Mar 28, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Joe Wheeler wrote:
Has anyone checked out the international prices on CS3?
I can
If I buy an upgrade from a US store, for delivery to the UK
FOR (Acrobat+Photoshop+Studio 8)
TO Creative Suite 3 Web Premium
Will the upgrade USA licence keys work with my UK licence keys?
J
___
Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
To change your
it makes sense it would be more expensive over there since products and
goods coming from the US usually take longer to get over there, if they
want it at the same time as us they have to pay more ! =D
No... that does not make sense. Have you looked at UPS shipping costs?
Shipping is hardly
I'd like to close this swindle thingIf you have a company with
some money available to buy the programs in the us and travel here in
order to have it...then is not a crime to buy something in other
country. I'm ecuadorian (south american working in the US), when I
had enough money to
Ok.
Let's stop now X-Files thingies ... this is all in all TOP OT ...
I mean, you, the honest client must be held responsible for your
region's bad behaviours ???
oh, you must live in a fascist country, under a dictator to accept
such practices
or did you forgot to walk outside your frontier
I suspect there are reasonable explanations, because Macromedia,
Adobe, and most other software houses show similar differences
across national boundaries, but I don't yet know the authoritative
reasons myself, sorry.
reasonable explanations: the Screw!
Being in London for such a long time I'm used to over priced everything
here. I lived in Tokyo as well in the past and I always thought (and
told) Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world, so let's see.
Adobe Creative Suite CS3 Design Premium
Adobe Store US: $1,799
Adobe Store UK:
Actually, I want to buy CS3 in US-ENGLISH (no localization expense)
but I STILL do get the same overexpensive ache ...
Being in London for such a long time I'm used to over priced
everything here. I lived in Tokyo as well in the past and I always
thought (and told) Tokyo is the most
Changing color to colour across the whole CS3 suite is probably very
expensive. ;)
-Adam
On 3/31/07, Cedric Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I want to buy CS3 in US-ENGLISH (no localization expense)
but I STILL do get the same overexpensive ache ...
Yes, but that's a Grey area.. ;-)
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Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
Changing color to colour across the whole CS3 suite is probably
On Mar 29, 2007, at 6:36 PM, Hairy Dog Digital wrote:
I'm surprised that any of the CS3 bundles are available via
download. I
would think they are only available via physical shipment due to
sheer size.
Back to the subject at hand, I know that UK and EU pricing
typically runs
higher on
John,
Thanks for the response, much appreciated. For the record, I
entirely agree with Mike, and think his download-only option is a good
one.
Cheers,
Ian
On 3/29/07, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
May I suggest you have the equivalent of an electronic region/version -
where you
of Flash had a proper debugger, it might help.
John
U.K.
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From: Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
On Mar 29, 2007, at 6:36 PM, Hairy Dog
Mike Mountain wrote:
Thanks for the response John, please don't take this personally, - but I
suspect the legitimate reason is because we can
... and if that's the case, then I'd like to see those decisionmakers
defend it in open debate.
But it's difficult for me to see intentional
1:04 PM
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
Mike Mountain wrote:
Thanks for the response John, please don't take this personally, - but I
suspect the legitimate reason is because we can
... and if that's the case, then I'd like to see those
On 3/30/07, Seth Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact, if you think about the country gap in that respect, it makes sense
it would be more expensive over there since products and goods coming from
the US usually take longer to get over there, if they want it at the same
time as us they
bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens John Dowdell
Verzonden: vrijdag 30 maart 2007 22:04
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Onderwerp: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
jd wrote:
Thanks for the response John, please don't take this personally, - but I
suspect
Do you guys not understand supply and demand?
Don't the rules of supply and demand change when the product does not
really take any time to produce and the cost of production is minimal
when compared to stamping out discs and printing boxes?
___
... and if that's the case, then I'd like to see those
decisionmakers defend it in open debate.
But it's difficult for me to see intentional discrimination
as the root cause... doesn't match up with what I see of
people here. The DNA is towards global participation, so I
suspect there
] The great CS3 Swindle
Do you guys not understand supply and demand?
Don't the rules of supply and demand change when the product does not
really take any time to produce and the cost of production is minimal
when compared to stamping out discs and printing boxes
Of the top of my head a possible reason is that higher prices
respond to the amount of illegal software used in Europe in comparison
to the US... I could be wrong, but the system seems far more controlled
over there, and there are less companies using pirated copies... now, I
don't see how
a FREE update to CS3 for anyone that buys CS2 from now until CS3 is
available...
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Duenas
Sent: 29 March 2007 02:46
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
Of Gustavo
Duenas
Sent: 29 March 2007 02:46
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
Hi Joe, do you have friends in the US? someone with an address, you just
buy the programs in the US with your credit card and then your friends can
send this to you using
In the days of electronic distribution this kind of business practice
stinks. Why do they do it, because they know they can get away with it -
can we afford to boycott the release in europe? They know in most cases we
can't.
It's more than taking liberties, it's daylight robbery.
@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
does this apply if you bought studio 8 as well in the last 2 weeks :s
On 3/29/07, Joe Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately you can't update a European licence with a US update so
I'd have to transfer my existing
It's a ridiculous situation that, sadly, seems to be true of a lot of software.
But it's particularly bad in this case.
Here's some full list prices, using today's exchange rate.
CS3 Design Premium UK: £1655.58 (=$3256.69)US: $1799.00Markup: 181%
CS3 Design Standard UK:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: 29 March 2007 09:57
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
It's a ridiculous situation that, sadly, seems to be true of a lot of
software.
But it's particularly bad in this case.
Here's some full
Some cunning American could buy a load of the boxed product and legitimately
put them on ebay with a markup, sell them to the European market and both
parties would be better off
There's no law against selling second hand software overseas is there?
Probably its a brick in the wall that protects 'their' creative industry?
NC
On 3/29/07, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For those prices it would literally be cheaper to fly out to the US to buy
it.
Adobe has FUBAR'd these prices - we demand an explanation - but who from?
On 3/29/07,
I've 'phoned the Adobe's UK office today and am told that someone from
the customer services management team will get back to me today to
explain it.
So let's see what happens. :-)
Me, I'm not holding my breath.
Ian
On 3/29/07, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the days of electronic
For those prices it would literally be cheaper to fly out to the US to buy
it.
Adobe has FUBAR'd these prices - we demand an explanation - but who from?
On 3/29/07, Ian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a ridiculous situation that, sadly, seems to be true of a lot of
software.
But it's
happy UK!!!
for the german versions:
CS3 Master Collection UK: £2313.58 (=$4551.04)US: $2499.00
Austria: € 3.598 (=4.798,90 USD)
CS3 Design Premium UK: £1655.58 (=$3256.69)US: $1799.00
Austria: € 2.638 (=3.517,24 USD)
etc...
But that is adobe!
where are the macromedia
Well - a telephone call from Adobe Europe (in the Netherlands) today.
A lovely Russian lady whose name I didn't get.
She tried to tell me the price difference was down to VAT rules -
until I pointed out that VAT is 17.5% over here, not ~80%.
As an aside, she pointed out that we in the UK pay
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: 29 March 2007 15:39
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
Well - a telephone call from Adobe Europe (in the Netherlands) today.
A lovely Russian lady whose name I didn't get.
She tried to tell me
March 2007 15:39
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
Well - a telephone call from Adobe Europe (in the Netherlands) today.
A lovely Russian lady whose name I didn't get.
She tried to tell me the price difference was down to VAT rules - until I
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Sent: 29 March 2007 16:38
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
With WPF hitting the market this sounds like a really bad idea
On 3/29/07, Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So how would one legally go about buying Adobe software in the US (by
legally I mean not from ebay)?
Well, off the top of my head...
Get someone who lives there to buy it from a shop or online.
Fly there and download it to your machine.
Fly
Andy Jones wrote:
Ok - so it's actually cheaper to fly to the States, stay in a hotel for
a few days and order your US copy (bearing in mind the exchange rate)
than buying a copy in the UK.
Joy!
I'll recommend it to my boss :)
You could as well fly to Brazil, stay at the beach for three
Well, off the top of my head...
Get someone who lives there to buy it from a shop or online.
Fly there and download it to your machine.
Fly there and buy it from a shop.
My personal opinion is it's a vast evil greed-based conspiracy between
Adobe (because they hate Europeans and want to take ever
Mike Mountain wrote:
For those prices it would literally be cheaper to fly out to the US to buy
it.
Adobe has FUBAR'd these prices - we demand an explanation - but who from?
For what it's worth, I had been pushing before launch for better
information about the reasons for regional pricing
Of Ian
Thomas
Sent: 29 March 2007 15:39
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] The great CS3 Swindle
Well - a telephone call from Adobe Europe (in the Netherlands) today.
A lovely Russian lady whose name I didn't get.
She tried to tell me the price difference was down
(My suspicion is that it's due to decisionmaking being both at the
central and at the regional level... I think each region is
responsible for its own prices and these are shaped, but not dictated,
by the main office, so there's no single owner of pricing worldwide...
that's just my best
the problem is that when you use your uk credit card you cannot buy from the
us store, so unless you have a us cc you be fooked.
On 3/29/07, Glen Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(My suspicion is that it's due to decisionmaking being both at the
central and at the regional level... I think
Then make a friend in the US and use do a money transfer to their
account with PayPal or something similar
Johannes Nel wrote:
the problem is that when you use your uk credit card you cannot buy
from the
us store, so unless you have a us cc you be fooked.
On 3/29/07, Glen Pike [EMAIL
Thanks for the response John, please don't take this personally, - but I
suspect the legitimate reason is because we can, I find it hard to believe
that Adobe HQ doesn't have the necessary muscle to enforce a RRP bracket on
its international sales offices. Anyhow - not all companies have this
I'm surprised that any of the CS3 bundles are available via download. I
would think they are only available via physical shipment due to sheer size.
Back to the subject at hand, I know that UK and EU pricing typically runs
higher on software, but to the extent that it is cheaper to fly to the US,
Has anyone checked out the international prices on CS3?
I can hardly believe how badly the UK is getting fleeced.
I'm upgrading from CS1 Creative Suite and Studio 8 to CS3 Design Premium. In
the US that's $599.00 dollars, but in the UK pounds it works out to £703.82.
Take the exchange rate
Hi Joe, do you have friends in the US? someone with an address, you
just buy the programs in the US with your credit card and then your
friends can send this to you using dhl , fedex or ups, sounds logic?
I used to do that several times buying programs when I was living in
Ecuador,
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