Re: [Flashcoders] How much would you charge?
Completely unrelated conclusion, there is no relation between charging 10 hours for one hour of work and reusing standard components or not. If I follow your line of reasoning you say that because you are so good and can complete it in an hour instead of where someone else would take 10 it allows you to charge the 10 hours instead of the one? I think a couple of things are related here: - what did you communicate to your client? If you say this will cost you $300 and we use a standard component, and this is involved, these are the consequences blahblah and he agrees well good for you, I don't see a problem here (you agree on a fixed price). If you finish it in 1 lucky you, if you spent 20, too bad - if you tell your client I'll sent you an invoice after its done based on hours invested, and you spent 1 but send an invoice for 20, it's being dishonest. I'm all for making money too but honesty does not exclude making money. Honesty does not exclude smart either :). - your wages. If you are so damn good that you finish things in 1 hour instead of 10, one of the places this should be reflected is your wage. That why you charge $100 an hour instead of $10 for example. That's why people come to you, because you're that fast and good. Of course this might differ per location and how much competition there is:) My 2 cnts, super duper honesty has nothing to do with it. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Carl Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The comment about a client being 'none the wiser' and the implication that you're just making the extra dough by handing off some crap someone else did is what's not cool. The point was, if you're repackaging something that someone already did without any value add, then that's dishonest. Hands down, end of story. then stop using Flash and create your own programming language while your at it...if you want to be completelyhonest. You pay a fee to use Flash, you also can pay a fee to use an extension (read:component) inside of flash... speaking of components, I hope you don't use the datagrid component either. But hey, go ahead and waste all of your time and program your own - reinvent the wheel, go for it, be super duper honest sheeesh. If tools are available to help you finish your work in as little amount of time and with limited amount of de-bugging needed, then use them my point was/is to maximize your dollar to time ratio. If you quote someone $350 dollars for a project and you finish it in an hour, you can say you make $350 an hour... but if it takes you 40 hours to do the same job you make $8.75 an hour. I'm pretty sure that is minimum wage and you might as well go work for Burger King. I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm not in this business to make minimum wage. I have mouths to feed. Dollar to time ratio, baby, that's what its all about when you're a freelancer and I'm a one man sweat shop. No matter what you say or think, you have to be a smart business person too as a good developer/designer. And for the record I am not affiliated in anyway with slideshowpro. I just think the user interface is about as clean as they come and clients love it... but then again, a lot of clients love powerpoint... so, whatever. On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Jon Bradley wrote: On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Carl Welch wrote: using tools of the trade is far from ripping clients off. Ridiculous statement. It's not ridiculous at all. Read my reply to my initial email where I elaborated a bit more. The comment about a client being 'none the wiser' and the implication that you're just making the extra dough by handing off some crap someone else did is what's not cool. The point was, if you're repackaging something that someone already did without any value add, then that's dishonest. Hands down, end of story. - j ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com http://www.jointjam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] How much would you charge?
On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Carl Welch wrote: Good point. I'd recommend using SlideShowPro. It's cheap ($29), looks slick, and you'll be done in no time - your client will be none the wiser and you'll be $350 richer. http://slideshowpro.net/ At least there will be an email post in the public domain that shows exactly how not to rip off a client. :P - jb ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] How much would you charge?
Not sure thats really ripping them off considering they probably don't know how to use the thing even if they bought it themselves. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Carl Welch wrote: Good point. I'd recommend using SlideShowPro. It's cheap ($29), looks slick, and you'll be done in no time - your client will be none the wiser and you'll be $350 richer. http://slideshowpro.net/ At least there will be an email post in the public domain that shows exactly how not to rip off a client. :P - jb ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- http://ericd.net Interactive design and development ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] How much would you charge?
Yeah, I would add that $350 to provide a working, customized, updateable photo gallery really isnt that much once you factor in a few hours work, set up time, explaining how to use, dealing with the inevitable HELP! emails a week later, etc. etc. especially if the client is technically un-savvy enough so that even if you gave them the link to SlideShowPro they wouldnt know what to do with it. And Dr. Ache suggested 290 Euro, which is like, what, on the current exchange rate, $50,000.00 ?? :P .m On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Eric E. Dolecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure thats really ripping them off considering they probably don't know how to use the thing even if they bought it themselves. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Carl Welch wrote: Good point. I'd recommend using SlideShowPro. It's cheap ($29), looks slick, and you'll be done in no time - your client will be none the wiser and you'll be $350 richer. http://slideshowpro.net/ At least there will be an email post in the public domain that shows exactly how not to rip off a client. :P - jb ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- http://ericd.net Interactive design and development ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Nah, the same as $367. Of course, in general Europe is more expensive then America so we need to ask more ;) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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You could add an AIR panel so they could edit the info in the XML themselves (in a way that was approachable), and you could make a ton more $ in my opinion. If you have the time that is. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Matt S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I would add that $350 to provide a working, customized, updateable photo gallery really isnt that much once you factor in a few hours work, set up time, explaining how to use, dealing with the inevitable HELP! emails a week later, etc. etc. especially if the client is technically un-savvy enough so that even if you gave them the link to SlideShowPro they wouldnt know what to do with it. And Dr. Ache suggested 290 Euro, which is like, what, on the current exchange rate, $50,000.00 ?? :P .m On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Eric E. Dolecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure thats really ripping them off considering they probably don't know how to use the thing even if they bought it themselves. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Carl Welch wrote: Good point. I'd recommend using SlideShowPro. It's cheap ($29), looks slick, and you'll be done in no time - your client will be none the wiser and you'll be $350 richer. http://slideshowpro.net/ At least there will be an email post in the public domain that shows exactly how not to rip off a client. :P - jb ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- http://ericd.net Interactive design and development ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- http://ericd.net Interactive design and development ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Eric E. Dolecki wrote: Not sure thats really ripping them off considering they probably don't know how to use the thing even if they bought it themselves. Well, yea. Charging setup, installation and customization of some store bought product is one thing. Just selling back with the minor effort it takes to add images to SlideShow Pro is dishonest. - jb ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Jon Bradley wrote: On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Eric E. Dolecki wrote: Not sure thats really ripping them off considering they probably don't know how to use the thing even if they bought it themselves. Well, yea. Charging setup, installation and customization of some store bought product is one thing. Just selling back with the minor effort it takes to add images to SlideShow Pro is dishonest. - jb ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Yes, but gaining knowledge about these products takes time = money. I am sure that most decent developers will only recommend a product that they have spent a while checking out. I don't see the problem in charging for that time. The alternative is that you build them a system which is not as good for the same money, or build them one as good for the same amount. Don't reinvent the round wheel, but maybe spend the leftover budget making the rest of the project really good - what's the problem with that? The other issue, which I am sure we have all encountered is that on some jobs we spend too much time the hourly rate drops, on others we spend too little and the hourly rate goes up - it all balances out and my primary concern is to keep a roof over my head and food in my stomach. If the client wants to save money, they can learn all about the products themselves, but some don't and are happy to pay people that do. Glen ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] How much would you charge?
I disagree. The client wants - and is prepared to pay for - an end product. It's up to you how you implement that product. Using off-the-shelf components is perfectly valid. If it wasn't, half the world's web developers would have to rewrite Mambo or Drupal from the group up everytime they deployed a website. Of course, if your clients functionality changes etc., then SlideShowPro isn't going to do it for you. :-) That's the risk you'd take in using a packaged product. If your client wants source code, then it's not going to work for you either. Ian On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Eric E. Dolecki wrote: Not sure thats really ripping them off considering they probably don't know how to use the thing even if they bought it themselves. Well, yea. Charging setup, installation and customization of some store bought product is one thing. Just selling back with the minor effort it takes to add images to SlideShow Pro is dishonest. - jb ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Ian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, if your clients functionality changes etc., then SlideShowPro isn't going to do it for you. :-) That's the risk you'd take in using a packaged product. Sorry - if your client _wants_ functionality changes... Ian ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Having used and modified slideshow pro in the past... If the client wants some customization of that product, jack that price up yo! Unfortunately for me, the client was already using the SSP app when they contacted me. And their request on modifications to it almost met the same cost as me building a photo app from the ground up. BUT... what the client wants, the client gets :) Also, for ease of use, if you have a way for the client to 'not' edit a xml doc to add photos I'd suggest doing it. Those phone calls get really annoying and they never want to pay for it since it's 'your fault' it doesn't work for them. Of course it's your fault they deleted a closing tag! =P B. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Ian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Ian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, if your clients functionality changes etc., then SlideShowPro isn't going to do it for you. :-) That's the risk you'd take in using a packaged product. Sorry - if your client _wants_ functionality changes... Ian ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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jesus... what a question. very simple but acceptable.. 1 day = 500Euro but i would try to avoid those jobs. Pedro Kostelec schrieb: As we are talking about money.What would be the price of a very simple but acceptable web page? And how long does it take to the pros to create one? Pedro ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] How much would you charge?
As we are talking about money.What would be the price of a very simple but acceptable web page? And how long does it take to the pros to create one? Pedro ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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using tools of the trade is far from ripping clients off. Ridiculous statement. As an Example, if I go to a restaurant and order eggs, is the restaurant ripping me off because they don't raise the chickens themselves? , I want breakfast... You are in this business to make money. And if you are like me and juggling a number of clients at any given time, the quicker you finish a job the better. Of course though, I've been using flash since 1996, so I could actually build a slide show but I would charge at least $700. On Nov 14, 2008, at 5:59 AM, Jon Bradley wrote: On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Carl Welch wrote: Good point. I'd recommend using SlideShowPro. It's cheap ($29), looks slick, and you'll be done in no time - your client will be none the wiser and you'll be $350 richer. http://slideshowpro.net/ At least there will be an email post in the public domain that shows exactly how not to rip off a client. :P - jb ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com http://www.jointjam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Carl Welch wrote: using tools of the trade is far from ripping clients off. Ridiculous statement. It's not ridiculous at all. Read my reply to my initial email where I elaborated a bit more. The comment about a client being 'none the wiser' and the implication that you're just making the extra dough by handing off some crap someone else did is what's not cool. The point was, if you're repackaging something that someone already did without any value add, then that's dishonest. Hands down, end of story. - j ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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You could always give them the box and tell them to install it themselves. My point is that there is always time involved. Setting up someone's website from scratch takes about a morning on a good day and longer on a nasty day, then there is the cost of the project admin time - meeting the client, quoting, and customer care. Hopefully all this adds up to a happy customer with a working, tested website - I would not want to give them anything less and the client is willing to pay for that and I don't think it's dishonest to charge them for a product + your time making sure it all works fine too. The alternative is as above - charge them the cost of the product, they have to set it up themselves, customer gets frustrated or realises they can do the job fine and assumes that all the other services you provide are just as easy to do themselves, so you potentially lose any future business from that customer. I am not condoning handing off any old rubbish to the customer - I spend ages looking at different products to see what the best one for the job would be and I am honest about what the customer is getting - they are often paying the price for the product that I pay then for my services. If I give them a load of crap they are not going to come back either. Think about going to a number of hotels. 1. A bit shabby, cheap, well run with really nice staff. 2. Expensive, looks the part, well run with really nice staff. 3. Cheap, shabby and grumpy b*ds running it... 4. Expensive, looks the part and grumpy b*ds running it... So you got 2 cheap hotels and two expensive ones - which one do you use again? It depends on what your expectations were originally and maybe what your circumstances are again - some people want luxury, others want somewhere to kip, but either way, if you feel happy about your experience, you would be likely to go back. Whether the price of the breakfast at 2 is twice the price of 1, so what, I may have thought it was worth it. With this industry, it boils down to customer service most of the time - that's what the people are paying for - your time and knowledge at getting them the best thing for their money. Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there who like to rip people off, but there are also a lot of awkward customers who want the bees knees for very little too. The aim is to keep the good customers, maybe be flexible and put yourself out for them, be honest yes, but there is nothing wrong with adding a cost to something you source from somewhere else - if you add value, your customers realise that most of the time and you will have a good relationship, but ripping off works both ways... GLen Jon Bradley wrote: On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Carl Welch wrote: using tools of the trade is far from ripping clients off. Ridiculous statement. It's not ridiculous at all. Read my reply to my initial email where I elaborated a bit more. The comment about a client being 'none the wiser' and the implication that you're just making the extra dough by handing off some crap someone else did is what's not cool. The point was, if you're repackaging something that someone already did without any value add, then that's dishonest. Hands down, end of story. - j ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Glen Pike 01326 218440 www.glenpike.co.uk http://www.glenpike.co.uk ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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That's a nearly impossible question, define simple define acceptable define pro... Generally speaking if you have to ask, you're probably charging too little ;-), but prices vary from region to region and country to country and industry to industry... there are huge differences from hiring some small-time freelancer, and hiring a design or ad agency, or a big-time freelancer, and frankly there's a huge range in quality, too. I'm primarily a graphic designer, so my charge for a simple website is going to involve things like research into the clients competition, a definition of the target audience, a design process involving multiple iterations of design mockups and revisions, all before doing anything in flash or html. Then there's the question of accessible code, SEO, standards compliance, ownership of artwork, guarantees and maintenance, etc. Pick up a copy of the Graphic Artists Guild Pricing and Ethical Guidelines to get an idea what others in your area are charging, or call up a few of the competition and ask for a quote, and then look at examples of their work... Michael On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Pedro Kostelec wrote: As we are talking about money.What would be the price of a very simple but acceptable web page? And how long does it take to the pros to create one? Pedro ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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The comment about a client being 'none the wiser' and the implication that you're just making the extra dough by handing off some crap someone else did is what's not cool. The point was, if you're repackaging something that someone already did without any value add, then that's dishonest. Hands down, end of story. then stop using Flash and create your own programming language while your at it...if you want to be completelyhonest. You pay a fee to use Flash, you also can pay a fee to use an extension (read:component) inside of flash... speaking of components, I hope you don't use the datagrid component either. But hey, go ahead and waste all of your time and program your own - reinvent the wheel, go for it, be super duper honest sheeesh. If tools are available to help you finish your work in as little amount of time and with limited amount of de-bugging needed, then use them my point was/is to maximize your dollar to time ratio. If you quote someone $350 dollars for a project and you finish it in an hour, you can say you make $350 an hour... but if it takes you 40 hours to do the same job you make $8.75 an hour. I'm pretty sure that is minimum wage and you might as well go work for Burger King. I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm not in this business to make minimum wage. I have mouths to feed. Dollar to time ratio, baby, that's what its all about when you're a freelancer and I'm a one man sweat shop. No matter what you say or think, you have to be a smart business person too as a good developer/ designer. And for the record I am not affiliated in anyway with slideshowpro. I just think the user interface is about as clean as they come and clients love it... but then again, a lot of clients love powerpoint... so, whatever. On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Jon Bradley wrote: On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Carl Welch wrote: using tools of the trade is far from ripping clients off. Ridiculous statement. It's not ridiculous at all. Read my reply to my initial email where I elaborated a bit more. The comment about a client being 'none the wiser' and the implication that you're just making the extra dough by handing off some crap someone else did is what's not cool. The point was, if you're repackaging something that someone already did without any value add, then that's dishonest. Hands down, end of story. - j ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com http://www.jointjam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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about tree fiddy. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Latcho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please. How much does it cost to build a simple but acceptable car ? Pedro Kostelec wrote: As we are talking about money.What would be the price of a very simple but acceptable web page? And how long does it take to the pros to create one? Pedro ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Please. How much does it cost to build a simple but acceptable car ? Pedro Kostelec wrote: As we are talking about money.What would be the price of a very simple but acceptable web page? And how long does it take to the pros to create one? Pedro ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Pedro Kostelec wrote: As we are talking about money.What would be the price of a very simple but acceptable web page? And how long does it take to the pros to create one? Step 1: Determine your hourly rate. This may be a flat rate, or you may skew the rate depending on the type of client [for example: corporate clients tend to have more dosh and expect higher rates than poor artists] Step 2: Determine what you need to build/do, broken down as finely as possible into smaller sub-tasks. Ask many questions so that you have a very clear idea of what they want; give all the options, make this process transparent. Preferably you can break down your tasks into steps that are 30min or less per step [so that you know you are accurate in your estimates] Step 3: Multiply these two together. Step 4: Pad this estimate based on how coarse or fine you were in step 2. Padding is for me, generally anywhere between 10% and 100%; really it all depends on how confident you are on your estimates and on how clear things are at the start of the project. Step 5: Compare this estimate to the clients budget. Most clients won't tell you upfront their budget, so you will have to negotiate a price. Final price might be higher than your step 4, but generally it's lower. That's the 'art' of it. ;) It's not a simple 'websites cost this' quote. Though you could say 'very simple' websites probably range between 100$ and 1,500$ -- but that is also not saying anything. And there are other factors like: Design times can vary greatly, you can use a pre-made template, or you can fine-craft one that takes you three days to make - sometimes you want it to be done quickly, but the client keeps requesting changes... it's quite the dance sometimes. Templates: how easy it is for the client to edit it themselves? Is it all static HTML thrown together from images? Or is it all flash+xml based with SEO, statistics and template driven? The later can make a very simple page suddenly far more time consuming with no apparent change in the front-end/user experience. Experience will answer these questions. Good luck, Sebastian. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Hedged or unhedged ? Bob Wohl wrote: about tree fiddy. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Latcho [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please. How much does it cost to build a simple but acceptable car ? Pedro Kostelec wrote: As we are talking about money.What would be the price of a very simple but acceptable web page? And how long does it take to the pros to create one? Pedro ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com mailto:Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com mailto:Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Anthony Pace schrieb: What is a fair price for a simple photo gallery, in AS3, that loads the photo data from an XML file? I said between $280 to $350; given the hours it would take me, plus some contingency time. Did I under quote? over quote? what do you think? Still new to this independent stuff. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders depends a littlebit how professional you gonna build this in terms of visual appearance but thats a normal price for that. I just offered pretty much the same but with the feature that the client can upload his files in a given folder on the server and flash gets all the files via php script, so there is no need for maintaining a xml file. the pictures will be shown in a gridwall 3x4 and blend independendly = 290€ (might be a bit underestimated) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Hi, depends on whether you are writing it from scratch or not. Seeing the huge amount of foto galleries already outthere including open sourced components etc you could save some time by just using one of those. Then it's just implementation time x your hourly rate. greetz JC On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:02 AM, dr.ache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Pace schrieb: What is a fair price for a simple photo gallery, in AS3, that loads the photo data from an XML file? I said between $280 to $350; given the hours it would take me, plus some contingency time. Did I under quote? over quote? what do you think? Still new to this independent stuff. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders depends a littlebit how professional you gonna build this in terms of visual appearance but thats a normal price for that. I just offered pretty much the same but with the feature that the client can upload his files in a given folder on the server and flash gets all the files via php script, so there is no need for maintaining a xml file. the pictures will be shown in a gridwall 3x4 and blend independendly = 290€ (might be a bit underestimated) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] How much would you charge?
Also depends where you are located. In the Netherlands we ask as much as 60 to 90 /hour. But then your coding speed counts in too. I think there are a lot of simple viewers out there like (randompick): http://theflashblog.com/?p=225 http://www.flashmagazine.com/tutorials/detail/as3_photo_gallery/ ... So that might be profitable to ;) dr.ache wrote: Anthony Pace schrieb: What is a fair price for a simple photo gallery, in AS3, that loads the photo data from an XML file? I said between $280 to $350; given the hours it would take me, plus some contingency time. Did I under quote? over quote? what do you think? Still new to this independent stuff. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders depends a littlebit how professional you gonna build this in terms of visual appearance but thats a normal price for that. I just offered pretty much the same but with the feature that the client can upload his files in a given folder on the server and flash gets all the files via php script, so there is no need for maintaining a xml file. the pictures will be shown in a gridwall 3x4 and blend independendly = 290€ (might be a bit underestimated) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] How much would you charge?
Good point. I'd recommend using SlideShowPro. It's cheap ($29), looks slick, and you'll be done in no time - your client will be none the wiser and you'll be $350 richer. http://slideshowpro.net/ Cheers, -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com http://www.jointjam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:25 PM, Hans Wichman wrote: Hi, depends on whether you are writing it from scratch or not. Seeing the huge amount of foto galleries already outthere including open sourced components etc you could save some time by just using one of those. Then it's just implementation time x your hourly rate. greetz JC On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:02 AM, dr.ache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Pace schrieb: What is a fair price for a simple photo gallery, in AS3, that loads the photo data from an XML file? I said between $280 to $350; given the hours it would take me, plus some contingency time. Did I under quote? over quote? what do you think? Still new to this independent stuff. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders depends a littlebit how professional you gonna build this in terms of visual appearance but thats a normal price for that. I just offered pretty much the same but with the feature that the client can upload his files in a given folder on the server and flash gets all the files via php script, so there is no need for maintaining a xml file. the pictures will be shown in a gridwall 3x4 and blend independendly = 290€ (might be a bit underestimated) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
