Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
Agreed, my point was simply that is was possible to do without the FP code. If OpenPlug can do it, imagine what the company that holds the keys to the kingdom can do. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Gregor Kiddie gregor.kid...@channeladvisor.com wrote: I have no idea how Elips are doing it, but they haven’t got the Player code, so they must be pulling some other trick to get it all to hang together! *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Nick Collins *Sent:* 14 April 2010 23:54 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple If that were the case, then OpenPlug wouldn't be able to to it with Elips Studio, but they are. They basically are providing a modified Flex 3.x SDK to use within Flex Builder. Then their IDE extensions output an XCode project that even will give you hooks so you can tie into native services, like the camera, address book, etc.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
I have no idea how Elips are doing it, but they haven’t got the Player code, so they must be pulling some other trick to get it all to hang together! From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Collins Sent: 14 April 2010 23:54 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple If that were the case, then OpenPlug wouldn't be able to to it with Elips Studio, but they are. They basically are providing a modified Flex 3.x SDK to use within Flex Builder. Then their IDE extensions output an XCode project that even will give you hooks so you can tie into native services, like the camera, address book, etc.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
On Tuesday 13 Apr 2010, Fotis Chatzinikos wrote: What about reversing the arm byte code to objective-c? Read what he said. That would amount to open sourcing the Player. -- Helping to centrally cluster seamless leading-edge users as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
I do not think you read what i said... Just add an extra step that decompiles the already created arm code to a quite difficult to read but working objective c code. And if that amounts to open sourcing the player what stops me for example to get the arm bytecode decompile it myself? I do not see the problem. The only problem i see is that mention ...originally written in C,... ... Now is a decompiled arm code originaly written in C? Can you somehow find out? Either way i think the whole situation is plain stupid... With this EULA they can stop Adobe but not a freelancer that writes something similar ... + Commodore/Amiga one of the best machines back then died because of closing too many doors... History will tell - we will wait and see what happens On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@halliwells.com wrote: On Tuesday 13 Apr 2010, Fotis Chatzinikos wrote: What about reversing the arm byte code to objective-c? Read what he said. That would amount to open sourcing the Player. -- Helping to centrally cluster seamless leading-edge users as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com. -- Fotis Chatzinikos, Ph.D. Founder, LivinData Technologies www.styledropper.com fotis.chatzini...@gmail.com,
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
Flipping this whole discussion on its head for a moment Adobe used to have the best SVG runtime player in the land. It was fast, had good support for the SVG standard and it was stable. Then Adobe bought Macromedia. They discontinued development and support for their SVG player because now they had Flash! Adobe could, I'm sure, alter their Flash development tools to output SVG+Javascript. In fact, I'd be surprised if they hadn't already experimented with this. If Adobe was as smart as they think they are, they'd RIGHT NOW fast-track SVG+Javascript export into Flex and Flash IDEs. This would let them become the premier tool for developing iPhone apps, standards-based web vector animations and would encourage adoption of open standards at such a rate that it'd hobble Silverlight into the bargain! Of course that is just an idle dream, and instead they will keep pushing their proprietary solution and wait for the killer open-standards IDE that will allow developers to make full use of HTML 5 to pop up and change the market for them. Then we will see Flash become a thing of the past. eg check this out http://demo.sproutcore.com/sample_controls/ Look familiar? Look ma! NO plugins, just HTML 5! Vale Flash, you have been good to us, but your time is drawing to a close. Steve Jobs has seen the future, and Flash ain't there. Guy On 14/04/2010, at 8:42 PM, Fotis Chatzinikos wrote: I do not think you read what i said... Just add an extra step that decompiles the already created arm code to a quite difficult to read but working objective c code. And if that amounts to open sourcing the player what stops me for example to get the arm bytecode decompile it myself? I do not see the problem. The only problem i see is that mention ...originally written in C,... ... Now is a decompiled arm code originaly written in C? Can you somehow find out? Either way i think the whole situation is plain stupid... With this EULA they can stop Adobe but not a freelancer that writes something similar ... + Commodore/Amiga one of the best machines back then died because of closing too many doors... History will tell - we will wait and see what happens On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@halliwells.com wrote: On Tuesday 13 Apr 2010, Fotis Chatzinikos wrote: What about reversing the arm byte code to objective-c? Read what he said. That would amount to open sourcing the Player. -- Helping to centrally cluster seamless leading-edge users as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com. -- Fotis Chatzinikos, Ph.D. Founder, LivinData Technologies www.styledropper.com fotis.chatzini...@gmail.com,
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
On 14/04/2010 13:10, Guy Morton wrote: Flipping this whole discussion on its head for a moment Adobe used to have the best SVG runtime player in the land. It was fast, had good support for the SVG standard and it was stable. Then Adobe bought Macromedia. They discontinued development and support for their SVG player because now they had Flash! Adobe could, I'm sure, alter their Flash development tools to output SVG+Javascript. In fact, I'd be surprised if they hadn't already experimented with this. If Adobe was as smart as they think they are, they'd RIGHT NOW fast-track SVG+Javascript export into Flex and Flash IDEs. This would let them become the premier tool for developing iPhone apps, standards-based web vector animations and would encourage adoption of open standards at such a rate that it'd hobble Silverlight into the bargain! Flash is here because standards sucks. When standards will be good enough, flash will disappear, bunt won't happen anytime soon. Of course that is just an idle dream, and instead they will keep pushing their proprietary solution and wait for the killer open-standards IDE that will allow developers to make full use of HTML 5 to pop up and change the market for them. Then we will see Flash become a thing of the past. eg check this out http://demo.sproutcore.com/sample_controls/ http://demo.sproutcore.com/sample_controls/ Look familiar? Look ma! NO plugins, just HTML 5! I don't know for others, but it reminds me of Flash 5 ten years old with extra crossbrowser issues. Let me think... hell no, don't want to go there :) Maybe in few years HTML will be like flash 8, and few more years it will be like flash 10. There will be flash 16 and AS4 by the time, another gap for HTML to reach. So, yeah, good luck with your HTML mate, I wish you good luck, really. Vale Flash, you have been good to us, but your time is drawing to a close. Steve Jobs has seen the future, and Flash ain't there. Guy The future where Apple dictates what you can install on your phone, what you can see on the web, what music you can listen ? Sound great, see you there :)
RE: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
Reports of Flash's demise are premature to say the least. I think Flash will likely be around for some time and will live long and prosper in a variety of contexts. Steve isn't seeing the future so much as trying to create a future that provides best competitive advantage to Apple. And of course, as Adobe is fond of saying, Flash will push the envelope as to what is possible. It will remains to be seen how compelling a case Flash makes for itself, but I'm not going to drop kick Flash just Steve Jobs says I should. He ain't my pal. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adnan Doric Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:25 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Cc: Guy Morton Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple On 14/04/2010 13:10, Guy Morton wrote: Flipping this whole discussion on its head for a moment Adobe used to have the best SVG runtime player in the land. It was fast, had good support for the SVG standard and it was stable. Then Adobe bought Macromedia. They discontinued development and support for their SVG player because now they had Flash! Adobe could, I'm sure, alter their Flash development tools to output SVG+Javascript. In fact, I'd be surprised if they hadn't already experimented with this. If Adobe was as smart as they think they are, they'd RIGHT NOW fast-track SVG+Javascript export into Flex and Flash IDEs. This would let them become the premier tool for developing iPhone apps, standards-based web vector animations and would encourage adoption of open standards at such a rate that it'd hobble Silverlight into the bargain! Flash is here because standards sucks. When standards will be good enough, flash will disappear, bunt won't happen anytime soon. Of course that is just an idle dream, and instead they will keep pushing their proprietary solution and wait for the killer open-standards IDE that will allow developers to make full use of HTML 5 to pop up and change the market for them. Then we will see Flash become a thing of the past. eg check this out http://demo.sproutcore.com/sample_controls/ Look familiar? Look ma! NO plugins, just HTML 5! I don't know for others, but it reminds me of Flash 5 ten years old with extra crossbrowser issues. Let me think... hell no, don't want to go there :) Maybe in few years HTML will be like flash 8, and few more years it will be like flash 10. There will be flash 16 and AS4 by the time, another gap for HTML to reach. So, yeah, good luck with your HTML mate, I wish you good luck, really. Vale Flash, you have been good to us, but your time is drawing to a close. Steve Jobs has seen the future, and Flash ain't there. Guy The future where Apple dictates what you can install on your phone, what you can see on the web, what music you can listen ? Sound great, see you there :)
RE: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
I do agree that the main problem is that there isn't really an excellent competitor to the App store. Once Flash is on absolutely everything, the Flash Store will be that competitor. It doesn't matter what device you use, mobile, PC, television, set top box, tablet, some future brain implant, it's a one stop shop to get the app. Of course, what would really be the killer for the Flash store would be making the app independent of the device. Buy an app on your mobile, then turn on your PC. It checks the Flash store, sees you have a purchased app it's not got installed, and fetches and installs it itself. The final nail would be persistent state. Buy and start playing a game on your mobile on the train home. Get in, turn on your PC and continue the same game. That's the app store killer right there! Gk.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
On 15/04/2010, at 1:34 AM, Battershall, Jeff wrote: Reports of Flash’s demise are premature to say the least. I think Flash will likely be around for some time and will live long and prosper in a variety of contexts. Steve isn’t seeing the future so much as trying to create a future that provides best competitive advantage to Apple. And of course, as Adobe is fond of saying, Flash will push the envelope as to what is possible. It will remains to be seen how compelling a case Flash makes for itself, but I’m not going to drop kick Flash just Steve Jobs says I should. He ain’t my pal. I never said Flash's demise was imminent. I see flash continuing in some form for decades. I hope it will continue to make cool things possible. I see HTML5 becoming and increasingly popular way to do what many people use Flash to do today. I think over the next 3 years we will see many many apps developed in HTML 5 instead of Flash/Flex/Silverlight, because what they need to do will be possible in HTML 5. Given that one reason for Flash's dominance has been it was the only way to do simple animations, I see it losing a lot of market share unless Adobe adapts to the new reality. That's my point. Guy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adnan Doric Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:25 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Cc: Guy Morton Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple On 14/04/2010 13:10, Guy Morton wrote: Flipping this whole discussion on its head for a moment Adobe used to have the best SVG runtime player in the land. It was fast, had good support for the SVG standard and it was stable. Then Adobe bought Macromedia. They discontinued development and support for their SVG player because now they had Flash! Adobe could, I'm sure, alter their Flash development tools to output SVG+Javascript. In fact, I'd be surprised if they hadn't already experimented with this. If Adobe was as smart as they think they are, they'd RIGHT NOW fast-track SVG+Javascript export into Flex and Flash IDEs. This would let them become the premier tool for developing iPhone apps, standards-based web vector animations and would encourage adoption of open standards at such a rate that it'd hobble Silverlight into the bargain! Flash is here because standards sucks. When standards will be good enough, flash will disappear, bunt won't happen anytime soon. Of course that is just an idle dream, and instead they will keep pushing their proprietary solution and wait for the killer open-standards IDE that will allow developers to make full use of HTML 5 to pop up and change the market for them. Then we will see Flash become a thing of the past. eg check this out http://demo.sproutcore.com/sample_controls/ Look familiar? Look ma! NO plugins, just HTML 5! I don't know for others, but it reminds me of Flash 5 ten years old with extra crossbrowser issues. Let me think... hell no, don't want to go there :) Maybe in few years HTML will be like flash 8, and few more years it will be like flash 10. There will be flash 16 and AS4 by the time, another gap for HTML to reach. So, yeah, good luck with your HTML mate, I wish you good luck, really. Vale Flash, you have been good to us, but your time is drawing to a close. Steve Jobs has seen the future, and Flash ain't there. Guy The future where Apple dictates what you can install on your phone, what you can see on the web, what music you can listen ? Sound great, see you there :)
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
Mmmm. As Adnan said to me Good luck with that :-) I'm sure MS has the same dream of Silverlight everywhere. That ain't going to happen either. On 15/04/2010, at 1:42 AM, Gregor Kiddie wrote: I do agree that the main problem is that there isn’t really an excellent competitor to the App store. Once Flash is on absolutely everything, the Flash Store will be that competitor. It doesn’t matter what device you use, mobile, PC, television, set top box, tablet, some future brain implant, it’s a one stop shop to get the app. Of course, what would really be the killer for the Flash store would be making the app independent of the device. Buy an app on your mobile, then turn on your PC. It checks the Flash store, sees you have a purchased app it’s not got installed, and fetches and installs it itself. The final nail would be persistent state. Buy and start playing a game on your mobile on the train home. Get in, turn on your PC and continue the same game. That’s the app store killer right there! Gk.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
If that were the case, then OpenPlug wouldn't be able to to it with Elips Studio, but they are. They basically are providing a modified Flex 3.x SDK to use within Flex Builder. Then their IDE extensions output an XCode project that even will give you hooks so you can tie into native services, like the camera, address book, etc. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Gregor Kiddie gregor.kid...@channeladvisor.com wrote: That amounts to open sourcing the player, as anyone could take a look at the XCode project (or reverse engineer the player from it), which is a no-no from Adobe’s perspective. Turning the player into ARM code was about the only way they could get round the licensing problems associated with the player. Gk. *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *valdhor *Sent:* 13 April 2010 15:15 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple Yes, I know that. What I was suggesting is that Adobe change the output from ARM code to to an XCode project. Wouldn't that get around the new Apple agreement?
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
On Monday 12 Apr 2010, valdhor wrote: Just as a thought, couldn't Adobe output an XCode project that you just need to compile? No. That's not how the system works, it outputs direct to ARM machine code. See http://www.adobe.com/devnet/logged_in/abansod_iphone.html -- Helping to heterogeneously orchestrate eye-catching visionary data as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
That amounts to open sourcing the player, as anyone could take a look at the XCode project (or reverse engineer the player from it), which is a no-no from Adobe's perspective. Turning the player into ARM code was about the only way they could get round the licensing problems associated with the player. Gk. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of valdhor Sent: 13 April 2010 15:15 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple Yes, I know that. What I was suggesting is that Adobe change the output from ARM code to to an XCode project. Wouldn't that get around the new Apple agreement?
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
What about reversing the arm byte code to objective-c? I assume the difficult part was to convert actionscript's virtual machine bytes to arm bytecode...
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
On Friday 09 Apr 2010, Battershall, Jeff wrote: Reportedly Unity 3D was told that this new EULA would not apply to them, yet on the face of it, it should. Doesn't Unity work by using a real Xcode project ? Unlike CS5... -- Helping to advantageously supply unique best-of-breed next-generation environments as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
Doesn't matter, the wording doesn't mention XCode, just the languages it's originally written in. They'll still be fine though, Apple is free to ignore the agreement when it suits them, and they aren't going to cut off Unity. They'll just reject anything written for Flash / DotNet. At the end of the day, Apple get a disproportionate amount of media coverage to their actual market share. Apple blocking the iPhone is annoying, but we still have the market leader (RIM), Android, etc. Flash Player 10.1 will end up on more devices than the whole iPhone install base. I'd rather call myself a mobile developer than restrict myself to being an iPhone developer, and that hasn't changed. Gk. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Chiverton Sent: 12 April 2010 10:21 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple On Friday 09 Apr 2010, Battershall, Jeff wrote: Reportedly Unity 3D was told that this new EULA would not apply to them, yet on the face of it, it should. Doesn't Unity work by using a real Xcode project ? Unlike CS5...
RE: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
Well put, Gregor. It does in fact seem that Apple is treated as more important than it really is, in terms of market share. Give that to their marketing and the support of fanatical fan boys and tech pundits. Just heard an ad last night for a Netbook touting that it's Flash Enabled - its possible that Apple's strategy of exclusion might backfire. It certainly seems silly on Apple's part to limit apps because of the source. That's like saying we only want e-books for our device that were written using a specific word processor. Jeff From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gregor Kiddie Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 6:53 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple Doesn't matter, the wording doesn't mention XCode, just the languages it's originally written in. They'll still be fine though, Apple is free to ignore the agreement when it suits them, and they aren't going to cut off Unity. They'll just reject anything written for Flash / DotNet. At the end of the day, Apple get a disproportionate amount of media coverage to their actual market share. Apple blocking the iPhone is annoying, but we still have the market leader (RIM), Android, etc. Flash Player 10.1 will end up on more devices than the whole iPhone install base. I'd rather call myself a mobile developer than restrict myself to being an iPhone developer, and that hasn't changed. Gk. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Chiverton Sent: 12 April 2010 10:21 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple On Friday 09 Apr 2010, Battershall, Jeff wrote: Reportedly Unity 3D was told that this new EULA would not apply to them, yet on the face of it, it should. Doesn't Unity work by using a real Xcode project ? Unlike CS5...
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
On Monday 12 Apr 2010, Gregor Kiddie wrote: Doesn't matter, the wording doesn't mention XCode, just the languages it's originally written in. That was my point; Unity uses Apple's C environment (almost like a macro language), where as Adobe doesn't. -- Helping to economically optimize extensible fifth-generation infomediaries as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
The source may be hearsay, but is referenced in this blog post: http://whydoeseverythingsuck.com/2010/04/steve-jobs-has-just-gone-mad.html Reportedly Unity 3D was told that this new EULA would not apply to them, yet on the face of it, it should. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffry Houser Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:53 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple Can you provide a source for the restrictions not being applied evenhandedly? As far as I know, Apple has changed their developer agreement for iPhone / iPad / iPod Touch. They have not attempted to enforce the new restriction on anyone, Adobe or otherwise. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Battershall, Jeff jeff.battersh...@... wrote: I love my MacBook Pro, and related Apple products, but Steve Jobs is really starting to piss me off. Apparently this 'restriction' is not being applied evenhandedly across the boards with other similar packaging tools. I am sure that Flash being integrated with Chrome isn't helping things either. But in Steve's world, it's his way or the highway. And then to invoke the Open Standards criticism of Flash becomes even more disingenuous that before. Open standards my a**, this is just plain and simple cutthroat competition. And the timing - the timing of this given the imminent release of CS5 - you'd think that if he was going to do this he should have done it a year or more ago. It's not like he didn't know that this capability was being developed. This smacks of anti-competitive practices and I for one hope something can (and will) be done about it. Jeff -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:02 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] With the latest eula agreement from Apple Will adobe punch back and file a law suit against apple? This is total crap. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/Unity3D+iPhone/news.asp?c=19851 http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/Unity3D+iPhone/news.asp?c=19851The CEO is unconcerned. No word of Unity being excluded. Cheers, Claus. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Jeffry Houser j...@dot-com-it.com wrote: I'd love to see a source other than something that someone said in a comment on a blog post; about Unity3D being excluded. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Battershall, Jeff jeff.battersh...@... wrote: The source may be hearsay, but is referenced in this blog post: http://whydoeseverythingsuck.com/2010/04/steve-jobs-has-just-gone-mad.html Reportedly Unity 3D was told that this new EULA would not apply to them, yet on the face of it, it should. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffry Houser Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:53 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple Can you provide a source for the restrictions not being applied evenhandedly? As far as I know, Apple has changed their developer agreement for iPhone / iPad / iPod Touch. They have not attempted to enforce the new restriction on anyone, Adobe or otherwise. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Battershall, Jeff jeff.battershall@ wrote: I love my MacBook Pro, and related Apple products, but Steve Jobs is really starting to piss me off. Apparently this 'restriction' is not being applied evenhandedly across the boards with other similar packaging tools. I am sure that Flash being integrated with Chrome isn't helping things either. But in Steve's world, it's his way or the highway. And then to invoke the Open Standards criticism of Flash becomes even more disingenuous that before. Open standards my a**, this is just plain and simple cutthroat competition. And the timing - the timing of this given the imminent release of CS5 - you'd think that if he was going to do this he should have done it a year or more ago. It's not like he didn't know that this capability was being developed. This smacks of anti-competitive practices and I for one hope something can (and will) be done about it. Jeff -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:02 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] With the latest eula agreement from Apple Will adobe punch back and file a law suit against apple? This is total crap. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple
Jeffry, it is related to iPhoneOS 4. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1250595 It is against Android/Java and Flash/ActionScript, but also touch C#/.NET, and any other language like Ruby... This also bans apps compiled using MonoTouch - a tool that compiles C# and .NET apps to the iPhone. It's unclear what this means for tools like Titanium and PhoneGap, which let developers write JavaScript code that runs in WebKit inside a native iPhone app wrapper. Alex. -- From: Jeffry Houser j...@dot-com-it.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:01 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple I'd love to see a source other than something that someone said in a comment on a blog post; about Unity3D being excluded. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Battershall, Jeff jeff.battersh...@... wrote: The source may be hearsay, but is referenced in this blog post: http://whydoeseverythingsuck.com/2010/04/steve-jobs-has-just-gone-mad.html Reportedly Unity 3D was told that this new EULA would not apply to them, yet on the face of it, it should. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffry Houser Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:53 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: With the latest eula agreement from Apple Can you provide a source for the restrictions not being applied evenhandedly? As far as I know, Apple has changed their developer agreement for iPhone / iPad / iPod Touch. They have not attempted to enforce the new restriction on anyone, Adobe or otherwise. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Battershall, Jeff jeff.battershall@ wrote: I love my MacBook Pro, and related Apple products, but Steve Jobs is really starting to piss me off. Apparently this 'restriction' is not being applied evenhandedly across the boards with other similar packaging tools. I am sure that Flash being integrated with Chrome isn't helping things either. But in Steve's world, it's his way or the highway. And then to invoke the Open Standards criticism of Flash becomes even more disingenuous that before. Open standards my a**, this is just plain and simple cutthroat competition. And the timing - the timing of this given the imminent release of CS5 - you'd think that if he was going to do this he should have done it a year or more ago. It's not like he didn't know that this capability was being developed. This smacks of anti-competitive practices and I for one hope something can (and will) be done about it. Jeff -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:02 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] With the latest eula agreement from Apple Will adobe punch back and file a law suit against apple? This is total crap. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
