Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Scene brightness 1.9,1.10

2003-08-29 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 29 August 2003 21:55, Erik Hofman wrote: > Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > > A side effect of the lighting code being multiplied by sun/fog color > > is that when these go to zero it pulls the ambient/diffuse lighting to > > zero. > > > > How about a compromize of having the diffuse lighting

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM 1 arcsec trial

2003-08-29 Thread Christian Mayer
David Megginson schrieb: Christian Mayer writes: > Can''t we use the land use data that we've got to calculate an automatic > smoothing factor. > I.e. when we know that we've got elevation data from a town we do much > smoothing. And when we've got paddocks we hardly do any smoothing. You'd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Scene brightness 1.9, 1.10

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Erik Hofman writes: > It was already too dark before the change in ambient. > I have another solution in mind which affects the sun color, which I > think is the real problem right now. > > At this point I use the cosine of the sun angle to calculate the light > between 1.0 (high noon) and 0.0 (

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Scene brightness 1.9, 1.10

2003-08-29 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: A side effect of the lighting code being multiplied by sun/fog color is that when these go to zero it pulls the ambient/diffuse lighting to zero. How about a compromize of having the diffuse lighting track the sun/fog color, but have the ambient light be based off of white.

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Scene brightness 1.9, 1.10

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Erik Hofman writes: > Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > Erik, > > > > FlightGear seems to have gotten excessively dark lately. Do you have > > something in progress? I know there is a lot of debate, but the human > > eye really adjusts well for darker situations so if we make the > > lighting mathmatic

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RIP: metakit

2003-08-29 Thread Martin Spott
Frederic BOUVIER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I once thought I could try to build a Tru64 Unix build ( DEC/Compaq/HP plateforms ) > but plib don't compile straight and finally decided it didn't worth the effort. Oh, at least they managed to get PLIB right for Solaris/Sparc. Do you have a compiler

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM 1 arcsec trial

2003-08-29 Thread David Megginson
Christian Mayer writes: > Can''t we use the land use data that we've got to calculate an automatic > smoothing factor. > I.e. when we know that we've got elevation data from a town we do much > smoothing. And when we've got paddocks we hardly do any smoothing. You'd end up smoothing out the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM 1 arcsec trial

2003-08-29 Thread Christian Mayer
Curtis L. Olson schrieb: But I found glitches that are quite obvious, and that do not appear in the scenery made by Alex Romosan ( certainly with default options, before the patch ) : it seems that the buildings are buried in the terrain, with small pikes. I think what you are seeing is the down si

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Outlook comments

2003-08-29 Thread Erik Hofman
Cameron Moore wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman Vine) [2003.08.29 08:27]: Curtis L. Olson writes: I'll just switch to outlook until this current sentiment passes. :-) Umm shouldn't that be lookout :-) I generally refer to it as Outbreak, myself. Kids, We are going to lose some developers th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Outlook comments

2003-08-29 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman Vine) [2003.08.29 08:27]: > Curtis L. Olson writes: > > I'll just switch to outlook until this current sentiment passes. :-) > > Umm shouldn't that be lookout :-) I generally refer to it as Outbreak, myself. -- Cameron Moore [ You're mind can only absorb what you

[Flightgear-devel] Re: SRTM 1 arcsec trial

2003-08-29 Thread Alex Romosan
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The latest terragear code in cvs expects the .fit files to exist. i used the latest code in cvs and terragear didn't complain at all about the missing .fit files. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | |

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Code Walkthrough

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > John Pitz writes: > > > Please excuse my ignorance here, I actually know very little about > > aircraft, other than they are quite expensive, both to buy and to > > learn to fly, but what entails "re-trimming the aircraft to the new > > position"? > > Trim tabs are c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Code Walkthrough

2003-08-29 Thread David Megginson
John Pitz writes: > Please excuse my ignorance here, I actually know very little about > aircraft, other than they are quite expensive, both to buy and to > learn to fly, but what entails "re-trimming the aircraft to the new > position"? Trim tabs are control surfaces on control surfaces -- t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Code Walkthrough

2003-08-29 Thread John Pitz
Please excuse my ignorance here, I actually know very little about aircraft, other than they are quite expensive, both to buy and to learn to fly, but what entails "re-trimming the aircraft to the new position"? John Pitz On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 05:28, Erik Hofman wrote: > John Pitz wrote: > > Hell

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Outlook comments

2003-08-29 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: > David Megginson writes: > > Norman Vine writes: > > > > > > Actually, this should be /dev/null if you misspell null you're file > > > > system will probabably fill up rather quickly. (Spoken from personal > > > > experience.) :-) > > > > > > Yes indeed, more evid

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RIP: metakit

2003-08-29 Thread Jon Berndt
> I have rewritten the flightgear code that used metakit and have > removed all traces of metakit from simgear and will probably have done > the same in the flightgear tree by the time most people read this. That will make things a lot easier for my "do-everything" script I use under CygWin. I th

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Outlook comments

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > Norman Vine writes: > > > > Actually, this should be /dev/null if you misspell null you're file > > > system will probabably fill up rather quickly. (Spoken from personal > > > experience.) :-) > > > > Yes indeed, more evidence that it's usually operator error :-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RIP: metakit

2003-08-29 Thread David Megginson
Martin Spott writes: > > I have rewritten the flightgear code that used metakit and have > > removed all traces of metakit from simgear and will probably have done > > the same in the flightgear tree by the time most people read this. > > Hoorrry ! Now, _this_ is good news. Wild dancing

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Outlook comments

2003-08-29 Thread David Megginson
Norman Vine writes: > > Actually, this should be /dev/null if you misspell null you're file > > system will probabably fill up rather quickly. (Spoken from personal > > experience.) :-) > > Yes indeed, more evidence that it's usually operator error :-) Especially since Curt's mail filter

Re: ..OT: blue paint bucket toss, was: [Flightgear-devel] [OT]Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com

2003-08-29 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:04, Matthew Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:19, Tony Peden wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:08, David Megginson wrote: > > > Matthew Johnson writes: > > > > > > > Good point, something goes wrong on a commercial airliner very few, > > > > if anyone ever gets

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Code Walkthrough

2003-08-29 Thread Erik Hofman
John Pitz wrote: Hello, I have decided to try something simpler than attacking the problem of the plane flipping over, so I thaught I would try adding functionality to quickly change the latitude/longitude and optionally altitude. I realize all of these things are simple to change through the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Outlook comments

2003-08-29 Thread Richard Bytheway
> > We should get in touch with Linus and Alan -- they could use this > technique to get Linux better established on the desktop as well. > > Since Alan is taking time out to do an MBA, maybe he will learn about this type of business practice anyway :-) Richard ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RIP: metakit

2003-08-29 Thread Frederic BOUVIER
Martin Spott wrote : > "Curtis L. Olson" wrote: > > > I have rewritten the flightgear code that used metakit and have > > removed all traces of metakit from simgear and will probably have done > > the same in the flightgear tree by the time most people read this. > > Hoorrry ! Now, _this_

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RIP: metakit

2003-08-29 Thread Martin Spott
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have rewritten the flightgear code that used metakit and have > removed all traces of metakit from simgear and will probably have done > the same in the flightgear tree by the time most people read this. Hoorrry ! Now, _this_ is good news. Fred

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SRTM 1 arcsec trial

2003-08-29 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Frederic Bouvier writes: > > I am playing with SRTM-1 too. I started terrafit with --error=2 and > > --maxnodes=2000 ( after the patch to terrafit.py ) and I must say > > it is very impressive to see in action. > > > > But I found glitches that are quite obvious, and tha

[Flightgear-devel] RIP: metakit

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
This isn't a knock against metakit. What it is written to do, it does very well. However, it was *way* overkill for our needs and caused more than a few build problems for the new comers. I have rewritten the flightgear code that used metakit and have removed all traces of metakit from simgear a

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build problems

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon Berndt writes: > Crap. I KNEW I was going to do that. Sorry. COrrected below: > > By the way, this still works: > > cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co > FlightGear > > (or perhaps it was lower case) > > Now if this is the right way: > > cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROT

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build problems

2003-08-29 Thread Jon Berndt
Crap. I KNEW I was going to do that. Sorry. COrrected below: By the way, this still works: cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co FlightGear (or perhaps it was lower case) Now if this is the right way: cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co source s

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build problems

2003-08-29 Thread Jon Berndt
By the way, this still works: cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co source Now if this is the right way: cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co source should both work?? Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build problems

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon Berndt writes: > The instructions (step 3 and step 4) are the same for the base package and > the source code !?!? Exactly, except in step 3 you are checking out the source module and in step 4 you are checking out the data module. > What if you just want to update one of them? Just cd to o

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build problems

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon Berndt writes: > By the way, this still works: > > cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co > source > > Now if this is the right way: > > cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co > source > > should both work?? It's late so I looked twice, but I'm s

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build problems

2003-08-29 Thread Jon Berndt
> The instructions (step 3 and step 4) are the same for the base package and > the source code !?!? > > What if you just want to update one of them? This seems confusing at best > and wrong at worst. Some clarification should be given in the > directions, in any case, as to why this is. Oops. I

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build problems

2003-08-29 Thread Jon Berndt
> Jon Berndt writes: > > OK. According to this page, > > http://www.flightgear.org/cvsResources/anoncvs.html in step 4, the data > > (base package) is back at flightgear.org ?? > > Affirmative. > > Curt. The instructions (step 3 and step 4) are the same for the base package and the source code !?

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build problems

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon Berndt writes: > OK. According to this page, > http://www.flightgear.org/cvsResources/anoncvs.html in step 4, the data > (base package) is back at flightgear.org ?? Affirmative. Curt. -- Curtis Olson HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Citiescurt 'at' me.umn.edu

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build problems

2003-08-29 Thread Jon Berndt
OK. According to this page, http://www.flightgear.org/cvsResources/anoncvs.html in step 4, the data (base package) is back at flightgear.org ?? Jon > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jon Berndt > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:09 PM >

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Build problems

2003-08-29 Thread Jon Berndt
> Don't forget that a couple months ago we needed to move the location > of the FlightGear base package CVS. The old site might still exist > (John?) but it is not being updated. If you suspect you might be > pointing to the old repository (rockfish.net), then you should go to > the FlightGear we

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Outlook comments

2003-08-29 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: > > Norman Vine writes: > > > > I don't know which is worse waste of bandwith > > > > Worms and/or virii on Windows, > > Trolls > > > > % move thread /dev/nul > > Actually, this should be /dev/null if you misspell null you're file > system will probabably fill up rathe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: SRTM 1 arcsec trial

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Alex Romosan writes: > "Frederic Bouvier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I am playing with SRTM-1 too. I started terrafit with --error=2 and > > --maxnodes=2000 ( after the patch to terrafit.py ) and I must say > > it is very impressive to see in action. > > > > But I found glitches that are

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Outlook comments

2003-08-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Norman Vine writes: > > > > > I have been wondering whether the Outlook autorun feature > > > could conveniently be used to assist Windows users who would > > > like to use FlightGear. They sign up for the mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] as usual and their > > > start of subscription ma

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Outlook comments

2003-08-29 Thread Norman Vine
> > > I have been wondering whether the Outlook autorun feature > > could conveniently be used to assist Windows users who would > > like to use FlightGear. They sign up for the mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] as usual and their > > start of subscription mail message has a PIF attachment

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Any Volunteers?

2003-08-29 Thread David Megginson
Jon Stockill writes: > After tweaking the Makefile to use the right compiler and flags, and point > to glut running make gives: > > g++ -I/usr/X11R6/include -O2 -g -DSAFETY -DIOSTREAMH -c terra.cc > In file included from Geom.h:24, > from Heap.h:4, > from

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Outlook comments

2003-08-29 Thread David Megginson
Alex Perry writes: > I have been wondering whether the Outlook autorun feature > could conveniently be used to assist Windows users who would > like to use FlightGear. They sign up for the mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] as usual and their > start of subscription mail message has a PIF atta