Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-10 Thread Gunnstein Lye
On Monday 09 August 2004 17:13, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Gunnstein Lye -- Monday 09 August 2004 16:35: Seriously though, it seems the problem here is that most, but not all, find it logical to map the up/down behaviour of a collective to the backward/forward motion of a joystick (or joystick

[Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-10 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Gunnstein Lye -- Tuesday 10 August 2004 10:18: On Monday 09 August 2004 17:13, Melchior FRANZ wrote: pull - raise, push - sink. It doesn't matter how the joystick is mounted. This is the right and realistic way. The other may be consistent with fixed wing and newbie friendly, but fgfs'

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-09 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:57:24 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, that's widely known. But nobody would seriously assume that anywhere the collective lever is pushed down to raise, and pulled up to sink. ..heh, precicely this is done by many R/C

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-09 Thread Jim Wilson
Martin Spott said: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:57:24 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, that's widely known. But nobody would seriously assume that anywhere the collective lever is pushed down to raise, and pulled up to sink. ..heh,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-09 Thread Gunnstein Lye
On Monday 09 August 2004 15:22, Jim Wilson wrote: Martin Spott said: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:57:24 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, that's widely known. But nobody would seriously assume that anywhere the collective lever is pushed down

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-09 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:49:37 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:57:24 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, that's widely known. But nobody would seriously assume that anywhere the collective lever is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-09 Thread Martin Spott
Jim Wilson wrote: My preference would probably be Alex's original patch. _My_ preference would be to put as default what the BO-maintainer prefers as his _personal_ choice and add an optional property, reverting the default behaviour, that every user can put into his ~/.fgfsrc When we've got

[Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-09 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Gunnstein Lye -- Monday 09 August 2004 16:35: Seriously though, it seems the problem here is that most, but not all, find it logical to map the up/down behaviour of a collective to the backward/forward motion of a joystick (or joystick throttle). There is no right or wrong here, as there

[Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-09 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Martin Spott -- Monday 09 August 2004 17:07: _My_ preference would be to put as default what the BO-maintainer prefers as his _personal_ My preference would be that this is consistent with all future helicopters, so it wouldn't really my choice alone. But our main goal is and should be

[Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-09 Thread Alex Romosan
Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So far we have only one user who disagrees with realistic collective, so we might not even need a property. Just revert part of today's patch. :-) i am not the only one who disagrees with the realistic collective (but you can choose to ignore any

[Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-07 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jeff Sinsay -- Saturday 07 August 2004 16:28: Yes indeed, when looking from the top down American Helicopters rotate-counter clockwise, while European/Russian Helis rotate clockwise. Yes, that's widely known. But nobody would seriously assume that anywhere the collective lever is pushed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: bo104 - patch

2004-08-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:57:24 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Jeff Sinsay -- Saturday 07 August 2004 16:28: Yes indeed, when looking from the top down American Helicopters rotate-counter clockwise, while European/Russian Helis rotate clockwise. Yes, that's widely