Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-24 Thread Vivian Meazza
-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM, James Turner wrote: On 22 Sep 2008, at 23:05, Vivian Meazza wrote: A binary search, which I'm also trying, takes days. At some point we left OSG 2.4, used an interim version, then migrated to osg 2.6. An osg

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-24 Thread gerard robin
To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM, James Turner wrote: On 22 Sep 2008, at 23:05, Vivian Meazza wrote: A binary search, which I'm also trying, takes days. At some point we left

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-23 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian Meazza wrote: I'm profiling with absolutely _everything_ disabled (including replay). _If_ that had shown that the stagger went away I would have reintroduced features one by one. But I can't even get that far atm. Still trying though, and still trying to identify the cause. I note,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-23 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis Olson wrote: What aircraft is being flown in these tests? If hash.c looks like a hotspot, that could also be triggered by an aircraft that had a lot of new nasal code added. Or it could be newly added default system nasal code? I don't know how much of FlightGear functions

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-23 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian Meazza wrote: Er ... couple of words spring to mind there - grandmother and eggs :-). But I know that you are trying to help. Alright, I'm just about to lay down activities for FlightGear for the second time (and now for good) because of this statement. There was a time where i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-23 Thread Tim Moore
Erik Hofman wrote: Vivian Meazza wrote: Er ... couple of words spring to mind there - grandmother and eggs :-). But I know that you are trying to help. Alright, I'm just about to lay down activities for FlightGear for the second time (and now for good) because of this statement. There

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-23 Thread Erik Hofman
Tim Moore wrote: I think you misunderstand the sense of the idiom teaching your grandmother to suck eggs. It implies nothing about the maturity of the teacher. Vivian meant that you were treating him like a child -- that's the teaching an elderly person to suck eggs part -- but I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-23 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Tim Moore wrote : Vivian Meazza wrote: Er ... couple of words spring to mind there - grandmother and eggs :-). But I know that you are trying to help. I thought if was related to the chicken and egg problem, but I didn't see why grandmother should be involved ;-) I think you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 17 septembre 2008, gerard robin wrote: Hello, Running without any problem with FG on a 32 bits computer (which my usual computer) recently, I have had to build FlightGear on a 64 bit computer with FC9. Both computers have the same GPU (Nvidia 7800 GS AGP 8). I was disappointed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Monday 22 September 2008 12:16:13 gerard robin wrote: Again on that topic, i was wrong about 64 bit , which has nothing to do with the stutter/jitter within FG. That's true (since we've seen the same stuttering on 32 bit machines as well). However, even though in your case disabling fancy

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 7:54 AM, AJ MacLeod wrote: On Monday 22 September 2008 12:16:13 gerard robin wrote: Again on that topic, i was wrong about 64 bit , which has nothing to do with the stutter/jitter within FG. That's true (since we've seen the same stuttering on 32 bit machines as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread gerard robin
On lundi 22 septembre 2008, Curtis Olson wrote: I am hearing a pretty distinct glitch in the audio about once per second ... it's not so much of a hard break, but disruption in continuity. I'm not sure if this is related to a pause in FlightGear, or the openal drivers on Fedora 9, or what?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
AJ wrote On Monday 22 September 2008 12:16:13 gerard robin wrote: Again on that topic, i was wrong about 64 bit , which has nothing to do with the stutter/jitter within FG. That's true (since we've seen the same stuttering on 32 bit machines as well). However, even though in your

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Hi Vivian, Vivian Meazza wrote : As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I note however that when I profile an old FG/osg from last Apr, it is stagger free, and hash.c doesn't figure in the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Hi Fred, Fred wrote: Hi Vivian, Vivian Meazza wrote : As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I note however that when I profile an old FG/osg from last Apr, it is stagger free,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian Meazza wrote: As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I note however that when I profile an old FG/osg from last Apr, it is stagger free, and hash.c doesn't figure in the profiling.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread gerard robin
On lundi 22 septembre 2008, Vivian Meazza wrote: Hi Fred, Fred wrote: Hi Vivian, Vivian Meazza wrote : As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I note however that when I profile

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Hi Erik To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system Vivian Meazza wrote: As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
gerard On lundi 22 septembre 2008, Vivian Meazza wrote: Hi Fred, Fred wrote: Hi Vivian, Vivian Meazza wrote : As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I note

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread James Turner
On 22 Sep 2008, at 22:25, Vivian Meazza wrote: AJ and I _think_ we are talking about the same problem. We might not be, although the description of the symptoms, which we have discussed many times, seems to be the same. The underlying cause might not be the same. It might be the code,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread gerard robin
On lundi 22 septembre 2008, Vivian Meazza wrote: gerard On lundi 22 septembre 2008, Vivian Meazza wrote: Hi Fred, Fred wrote: Hi Vivian, Vivian Meazza wrote : As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
James On 22 Sep 2008, at 22:25, Vivian Meazza wrote: AJ and I _think_ we are talking about the same problem. We might not be, although the description of the symptoms, which we have discussed many times, seems to be the same. The underlying cause might not be the same. It might

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread James Turner
On 22 Sep 2008, at 23:05, Vivian Meazza wrote: A binary search, which I'm also trying, takes days. At some point we left OSG 2.4, used an interim version, then migrated to osg 2.6. An osg rebuild here takes well over an hour. So far, I've come about halfway forward from Apr, which

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM, James Turner wrote: On 22 Sep 2008, at 23:05, Vivian Meazza wrote: A binary search, which I'm also trying, takes days. At some point we left OSG 2.4, used an interim version, then migrated to osg 2.6. An osg rebuild here takes well over an hour. So

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
Fred Vivian Meazza wrote : My latest build with MSVC9 (32 bit) is suffering severe jitter, so much that it is unusable, as I mentioned earlier. I have profiled the code, but nothing obvious showed up yet. I'm continuing to look. I tried to compile FG with MSVC9 and it is far more