Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
On Dec 10, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Gene Buckle wrote:On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Alexander Barrett wrote:Sorry I haven't been keeping up with things, but have flightsim.com and simmarket.com run the statement yet?If not I'm sure I can get it on their weekly mailing lists and front pages, been friends with the owners for many years.I would also suggest that if you've got a Facebook account that you spend some time searching within "Flight simulator". Look for the "proflightsim" phony box art to locate their pages and report them as a scam to FB. I've opened "THIS IS A SCAM" discussions on many of the pages. The most entertaining of the threads has unfortunately, been deleted. (I'm not sure how insulting it is when someone yells, "You Zero Affiliate!", but it was pretty damn funny.) It appears that the sock-puppet hurling those "insults" has also been removed from FB, so it does do SOME good to report this crap to them.Thanks!g.Just to add some new info - The flightsim guys (people?) just registered and has public a new website, "Flightgear.us". It's listed as a new group on Facebook, and the whois trace shows Tel Aviv, Isreal as the address, although hosted by a company in Burlington, MA USA as listed below -They are getting more aggressive - and this is direct attack to deceive. It's dated today, 12/13/10. Domain Name: FLIGHTGEAR.USDomain ID: D31250901-USSponsoring Registrar: TUCOWS INC.Registrar URL (registration services): whois.opensrs.orgDomain Status: clientTransferProhibitedDomain Status: clientUpdateProhibitedRegistrant ID: TU3QYDFLMBM80CNQRegistrant Name: alon zurRegistrant Organization: alon zurRegistrant Address1: bakat 5Registrant City: tel avivRegistrant State/Province: NARegistrant Postal Code: 742311Registrant Country: IsraelRegistrant Country Code: ILRegistrant Phone Number: +1.0527121996Registrant Email:Registrant Application Purpose: P1Registrant Nexus Category: C11Administrative Contact ID: TUFR67AUOLT2AJG0Administrative Contact Name: alon zurAdministrative Contact Organization: alon zurAdministrative Contact Address1: bakat 5Administrative Contact City: tel avivAdministrative Contact State/Province: NAAdministrative Contact Postal Code: 742311Administrative Contact Country: IsraelAdministrative Contact Country Code: ILAdministrative Contact Phone Number: +1.0527121996Administrative Contact Email:Administrative Application Purpose: P1Administrative Nexus Category: C11Billing Contact ID: TUNWMNRK7UTC4GYUBilling Contact Name: alon zurBilling Contact Organization: alon zurBilling Contact Address1: bakat 5Billing Contact City: tel avivBilling Contact State/Province: NABilling Contact Postal Code: 742311Billing Contact Country: IsraelBilling Contact Country Code: ILBilling Contact Phone Number: +1.0527121996Billing Contact Email:Billing Application Purpose: P1Billing Nexus Category: C11Technical Contact ID: TUUXA6GBSLBMPAOXTechnical Contact Name: K.L. PetersonTechnical Contact Organization: StartLogicTechnical Contact Address1: 70 Blanchard RoadTechnical Contact City: BurlingtonTechnical Contact State/Province: MATechnical Contact Postal Code: 01803Technical Contact Country: United StatesTechnical Contact Country Code: USTechnical Contact Phone Number: +1.8007258064Technical Contact Facsimile Number: +1.7812726550Technical Contact Email:Technical Application Purpose: P1Technical Nexus Category: C11Name Server: NS1.STARTLOGIC.COMName Server: NS2.STARTLOGIC.COMCreated by Registrar: TUCOWS INC.Last Updated by Registrar: TUCOWS INC.Domain Registration Date: Sun Dec 12 09:40:10 GMT 2010Domain Expiration Date: Sun Dec 11 23:59:59 GMT 2011Domain Last Updated Date: Sun Dec 12 09:40:12 GMT 2010 Whois database was last updated on: Mon Dec 13 21:40:58 GMT 2010 -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Peter Brown wrote: Just to add some new info - The flightsim guys (people?) just registered and has public a new website, Flightgear.us. It's listed as a new group on Facebook, and the whois trace shows Tel Aviv, Isreal as the address, although hosted by a company in Burlington, MA USA as listed below - They are getting more aggressive - and this is direct attack to deceive. It's dated today, 12/13/10. Thanks for the info Peter! I've reported their page as a scam to FB. They wisely decided to lock the discussion page so I can't post my THIS IS A SCAM comment. :) I would hope that the FB using folks on this list report them as well. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Gene Buckle wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Peter Brown wrote: Just to add some new info - The flightsim guys (people?) just registered and has public a new website, Flightgear.us. It's listed as a new group on Facebook, and the whois trace shows Tel Aviv, Isreal as the address, although hosted by a company in Burlington, MA USA as listed below - They are getting more aggressive - and this is direct attack to deceive. It's dated today, 12/13/10. Thanks for the info Peter! I've reported their page as a scam to FB. They wisely decided to lock the discussion page so I can't post my THIS IS A SCAM comment. :) I would hope that the FB using folks on this list report them as well. Here's what I've been doing - I'll find one of their scam pages - if I can comment on it, I'll put a boiler plate scam alert on each post I can comment on as well as like them if they have a discussion page in order to post the same scam warning. I then open up all the links in the People like this box in individual tabs - if they appear to be fake (big clue - they like a bunch of proflightsim scam pages or diet pills or whatever) I report the profile as being fake. I then report the page itself. Please help report these jerks if you can! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
I would hope that the FB using folks on this list report them as well. Yep. :-) -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
Thats just plain nasty. I guess our collective efforts to unmask and out this criminal have chapped his ass a little, so he's taking it personally - good. I will redouble my efforts to make life as difficult as possible for this guy. As a suggestion it might be worthemailing the web admin of the hosting siteabout misrepresentation and deception, and request the "flightgear.us" domain be taken down - as Peter says it is clearly being used to deceive people. Regards, Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE. From: Peter Brown smoothwater...@adelphia.netTo: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.netSent: Tue, 14 December, 2010 7:53:34 AMSubject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement On Dec 10, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Alexander Barrett wrote: Sorry I haven't been keeping up with things, but have flightsim.com and simmarket.com run the statement yet? If not I'm sure I can get it on their weekly mailing lists and front pages, been friends with the owners for many years. I would also suggest that if you've got a Facebook account that you spend some time searching within "Flight simulator". Look for the "proflightsim" phony box art to locate their pages and report them as a scam to FB. I've opened "THIS IS A SCAM" discussions on many of the pages. The most entertaining of the threads has unfortunately, been deleted. (I'm not sure how insulting it is when someone yells, "You Zero Affiliate!", but it was pretty damn funny.) It appears that the sock-puppet hurling those "insults" has also been removed from FB, so it does do SOME good to report this crap to them.Thanks!g. Just to add some new info - The flightsim guys (people?) just registered and has public a new website, "Flightgear.us". It's listed as a new group on Facebook, and the whois trace shows Tel Aviv, Isreal as the address, although hosted by a company in Burlington, MA USA as listed below - They are getting more aggressive - and this is direct attack to deceive. It's dated today, 12/13/10. Domain Name: FLIGHTGEAR.USDomain ID: D31250901-USSponsoring Registrar: TUCOWS INC.Registrar URL (registration services): whois.opensrs.orgDomain Status: clientTransferProhibitedDomain Status: clientUpdateProhibitedRegistrant ID: TU3QYDFLMBM80CNQRegistrant Name: alon zurRegistrant Organization: alon zurRegistrant Address1: bakat 5Registrant City: tel avivRegistrant State/Province: NARegistrant Postal Code: 742311Registrant Country: IsraelRegistrant Country Code: ILRegistrant Phone Number: +1.0527121996Registrant Email:Registrant Application Purpose: P1Registrant Nexus Category: C11Administrative Contact ID: TUFR67AUOLT2AJG0Administrative Contact Name: alon zurAdministrative Contact Organization: alon zurAdministrative Contact Address1: bakat 5Administrative Contact City: tel avivAdministrative Contact State/Province: NAAdministrative Contact Postal Code: 742311Administrative Contact Country: IsraelAdministrative Contact Country Code: ILAdministrative Contact Phone Number: +1.0527121996Administrative Contact Email:Administrative Application Purpose: P1Administrative Nexus Category: C11Billing Contact ID: TUNWMNRK7UTC4GYUBilling Contact Name: alon zurBilling Contact Organization: alon zurBilling Contact Address1: bakat 5Billing Contact City: tel avivBilling Contact State/Province: NABilling Contact Postal Code: 742311Billing Contact Country: IsraelBilling Contact Country Code: ILBilling Contact Phone Number: +1.0527121996Billing Contact Email:Billing Application Purpose: P1Billing Nexus Category: C11Technical Contact ID: TUUXA6GBSLBMPAOXTechnical Contact Name: K.L. PetersonTechnical Contact Organization: StartLogicTechnical Contact Address1: 70 Blanchard RoadTechnical Contact City: BurlingtonTechnical Contact State/Province: MATechnical Contact Postal Code: 01803Technical Contact Country: United StatesTechnical Contact Country Code: USTechnical Contact Phone Number: +1.8007258064Technical Contact Facsimile Number: +1.7812726550Technical Contact Email:Technical Application Purpose: P1Technical Nexus Category: C11Name Server: NS1.STARTLOGIC.COMName Server: NS2.STARTLOGIC.COMCreated by Registrar: TUCOWS INC.Last Updated by Registrar: TUCOWS INC.Domain Registration Date: Sun Dec 12 09:40:10 GMT 2010Domain Expiration Date: Sun Dec 11 23:59:59 GMT 2011Domain Last Updated Date: Sun Dec 12 09:40:12 GMT 2010 Whois database was last updated on: Mon Dec 13 21:40:58 GMT 2010 -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
The individual responsible for the page put this there: 1.Sponsoring a child - many kids in our world that aren't able to get even the basic stuff, like food, simple health care, and school. I never knew they were going _that_ far in dubious marketing tactics. Thats just plain nasty. I guess our collective efforts to unmask and out this criminal have chapped his ass a little, so he's taking it personally - good. I will redouble my efforts to make life as difficult as possible for this guy. As a suggestion it might be worth emailing the web admin of the hosting site about misrepresentation and deception, and request the flightgear.us domain be taken down - as Peter says it is clearly being used to deceive people. Regards, Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE. __ From: Peter Brown smoothwater...@adelphia.net To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tue, 14 December, 2010 7:53:34 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement On Dec 10, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Alexander Barrett wrote: Sorry I haven't been keeping up with things, but have flightsim.com and simmarket.com run the statement yet? If not I'm sure I can get it on their weekly mailing lists and front pages, been friends with the owners for many years. I would also suggest that if you've got a Facebook account that you spend some time searching within Flight simulator. Look for the proflightsim phony box art to locate their pages and report them as a scam to FB. I've opened THIS IS A SCAM discussions on many of the pages. The most entertaining of the threads has unfortunately, been deleted. (I'm not sure how insulting it is when someone yells, You Zero Affiliate!, but it was pretty damn funny.) It appears that the sock-puppet hurling those insults has also been removed from FB, so it does do SOME good to report this crap to them. Thanks! g. Just to add some new info - The flightsim guys (people?) just registered and has public a new website, Flightgear.us. It's listed as a new group on Facebook, and the whois trace shows Tel Aviv, Isreal as the address, although hosted by a company in Burlington, MA USA as listed below - They are getting more aggressive - and this is direct attack to deceive. It's dated today, 12/13/10. Domain Name: FLIGHTGEAR.US Domain ID: D31250901-US Sponsoring Registrar: TUCOWS INC. Registrar URL (registration services): whois.opensrs.org Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited Registrant ID: TU3QYDFLMBM80CNQ Registrant Name: alon zur Registrant Organization: alon zur Registrant Address1: bakat 5 Registrant City: tel aviv Registrant State/Province: NA Registrant Postal Code: 742311 Registrant Country: Israel Registrant Country Code: IL Registrant Phone Number: +1.0527121996 Registrant Email: Registrant Application Purpose: P1 Registrant Nexus Category: C11 Administrative Contact ID: TUFR67AUOLT2AJG0 Administrative Contact Name: alon zur Administrative Contact Organization: alon zur Administrative Contact Address1: bakat 5 Administrative Contact City: tel aviv Administrative Contact State/Province: NA Administrative Contact Postal Code: 742311 Administrative Contact Country: Israel Administrative Contact Country Code: IL Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.0527121996 Administrative Contact Email: Administrative Application Purpose: P1 Administrative Nexus Category: C11 Billing Contact ID: TUNWMNRK7UTC4GYU Billing Contact Name: alon zur Billing Contact Organization: alon zur Billing Contact Address1: bakat 5 Billing Contact City: tel aviv Billing Contact State/Province: NA Billing Contact Postal Code: 742311 Billing Contact Country: Israel Billing Contact Country Code: IL Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.0527121996 Billing Contact Email: Billing Application Purpose: P1 Billing Nexus Category: C11 Technical Contact ID: TUUXA6GBSLBMPAOX Technical Contact Name: K.L. Peterson Technical Contact Organization: StartLogic Technical Contact Address1: 70 Blanchard Road Technical Contact City: Burlington Technical Contact State/Province: MA Technical Contact Postal Code: 01803 Technical Contact Country: United States Technical Contact Country Code: US Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.8007258064 Technical Contact Facsimile Number: +1.7812726550 Technical Contact Email: Technical Application Purpose: P1 Technical Nexus Category: C11 Name Server: NS1.STARTLOGIC.COM Name Server: NS2.STARTLOGIC.COM Created by Registrar: TUCOWS INC. Last Updated by Registrar: TUCOWS INC. Domain Registration Date: Sun Dec 12 09:40:10 GMT 2010 Domain Expiration Date: Sun Dec 11 23:59:59 GMT 2011 Domain Last Updated Date: Sun Dec 12 09:40:12 GMT 2010 Whois
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Victhor wrote: The individual responsible for the page put this there: 1.Sponsoring a child - many kids in our world that aren't able to get even the basic stuff, like food, simple health care, and school. I never knew they were going _that_ far in dubious marketing tactics. Wow, that is truly sad ... they are making a mockery of people who take charity seriously and make a legitimate effort to help others. Well I sure hope that people take a look a the respective communities (pro sim flight versus FlightGear) ... how long they have been established, the spirit and nature and intelligence of the discussions and I sure hope that reality will be obvious. Look at the discussions on the pro-flight-sim areas which are all about people complaining about being ripped off and not getting their money back, versus the discussions in the FlightGear areas (tons of technical development material, fun aviation stuff, etc.) But in a world where people can say anything they want with no consequences, you suddenly aren't sure who you can trust. There will always be some low hanging fruit to pick off, but if we make our best effort and act in a positive way, we can be proud whatever the result. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/personal/curt/ -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Victhor wrote: The individual responsible for the page put this there: 1.Sponsoring a child - many kids in our world that aren't able to get even the basic stuff, like food, simple health care, and school. I never knew they were going _that_ far in dubious marketing tactics. Wow, that is truly sad ... they are making a mockery of people who take charity seriously and make a legitimate effort to help others. Well I sure hope that people take a look a the respective communities (pro sim flight versus FlightGear) ... how long they have been established, the spirit and nature and intelligence of the discussions and I sure hope that reality will be obvious. Look at the discussions on the pro-flight-sim areas which are all about people complaining about being ripped off and not getting their money back, versus the discussions in the FlightGear areas (tons of technical development material, fun aviation stuff, etc.) But in a world where people can say anything they want with no consequences, you suddenly aren't sure who you can trust. I believe this to be true and I lament it. But perhaps it places a great deal more importance and value on those who do stand by what they say and are willing to take on the consequences. -Gary There will always be some low hanging fruit to pick off, but if we make our best effort and act in a positive way, we can be proud whatever the result. Curt. -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
On Dec 13, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Victhor wrote: The individual responsible for the page put this there: 1.Sponsoring a child - many kids in our world that aren't able to get even the basic stuff, like food, simple health care, and school. I never knew they were going _that_ far in dubious marketing tactics. The individual(s) are good at their internet game in respect to advertising. I would guess that someone is working at this a good portion of each week to make it happen. From a marketing standpoint the author knows how to sound legitimate, obviously without a conscience or morals. See the first page results of this google search : http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=flight+pro+simie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8 At least 95% of the results are some form of theirs. Everything from Is it a hoax? to considered one of the top flight simulators available to the public for quite some time. I suggested Flightgear beat him at his own game back in March - As much as I'd hope what you say would be true, realistically there is not much of a downside for this guy. Everyday people make purchases without knowing all the facts, and for more money buying online than locally. (Ebay can be a good example) From his side of it, unless someone or group is willing to take it through the legal process, any sale he gets is free money to him. And if someone does take to court, does anyone know what to expect for an outcome? Would it be more than a simple stop order? If not, he's already stolen money from unknowning customers, so he's still ahead of the game. While I truly hope this group, or multiple groups can get together and bring him to task for his wrongs, publication of FlightGear.org as a BETTER simulator, which also happens to be FREE, and by the way, that other simulator is just a copy of ours that you have to pay for may be the best way to be combative. Go on the offense, publicize the heck out of it. Encourage users to post more youtube videos, publish your own, make sure every website page has the best language for the google bots to promote FlightGear.org as better, with free being a side benefit. And Curt got the FB page going and many people have expended effort and funds of their own to try to combat his tactics. But, I don't see this as a short-term turnaround. This may be long road to righteousness, and with help from other sites that have already posted statements, and a continued and solid facebook showing, FG may triumph. The second thing to consider, is how to stop the next guy from doing the same thing. Peter-- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Peter Brown smoothwater...@adelphia.net wrote: On Dec 13, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Victhor wrote: The individual responsible for the page put this there: 1.Sponsoring a child - many kids in our world that aren't able to get even the basic stuff, like food, simple health care, and school. I never knew they were going _that_ far in dubious marketing tactics. The individual(s) are good at their internet game in respect to advertising. I would guess that someone is working at this a good portion of each week to make it happen. From a marketing standpoint the author knows how to sound legitimate, obviously without a conscience or morals. See the first page results of this google search : http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=flight+pro+simie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8 At least 95% of the results are some form of theirs. Everything from Is it a hoax? to considered one of the top flight simulators available to the public for quite some time. I suspect that the domain flightgear.us domain could be pulled on the grounds othat is doesn't meet the on of the following requirements:- from http://www.dot.us/faqs/ :- * A natural person (i) who is a citizen or permanent resident of the United States of America or any of its possessions or territories or (ii) whose primary place of domicile is in the United States of America or any of its possessions, or * Any entity or organization that is incorporated within one of the fifty (50) U.S. states, the District of Columbia, or any of the United States possessions or territories or (ii) organized or otherwise constituted under the laws of a state of the United States of America, the District of Columbia, or any of its possessions or territories, or * An entity or organization (including federal, state, or local government of the United States, or a political subdivision thereof) that has a bona fide presence in the United States. See Section B.3.1 of the NeuStar proposal to the Department of Commerce for details concerning what constitutes a “bona fide presence.“ I think the whois record detail fails on all accounts. The only US address is the hosting provider which isn't sufficient for the details above. The second thing to consider, is how to stop the next guy from doing the same thing. yes, it's could be a game of whack-an-affiliate but should become easier as the FG.o community gets better. I'm nearly ready to buy a copy and then go and complain to Consumer Affairs or even the law enforcement. If DVD piracy has been linked in the past to organised crime, could the same apply to FPS and their cronies? Regards George -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
And Avsim is with us: http://avsim.com/ Not sure if that is due to the email I sent last week (then they might have included a link to our statement), but it is nice that there's yet another website (and one of the most important flightsim ones) paying attention to the situation. Cheers, Gijs -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
Cool, thanks, Avsim is a good site and has always treated FlightGear well. Thanks! Curt. On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: And Avsim is with us: http://avsim.com/ Not sure if that is due to the email I sent last week (then they might have included a link to our statement), but it is nice that there's yet another website (and one of the most important flightsim ones) paying attention to the situation. Cheers, Gijs -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/personal/curt/ -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
Sorry I haven't been keeping up with things, but have flightsim.com and simmarket.com run the statement yet? If not I'm sure I can get it on their weekly mailing lists and front pages, been friends with the owners for many years. Alex On 10 Dec 2010, at 19:31, Gijs de Rooy wrote: And Avsim is with us: http://avsim.com/ Not sure if that is due to the email I sent last week (then they might have included a link to our statement), but it is nice that there's yet another website (and one of the most important flightsim ones) paying attention to the situation. Cheers, Gijs -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
Alex wrote: Sorry I haven't been keeping up with things, but have flightsim.com and simmarket.com run the statement yet? FlightSim.com did (in a couple of languages), simmarket.com did not yet (AFAIAA).. Would be nice if you could chat to the simmarket.com team ;) Gijs -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Alexander Barrett wrote: Sorry I haven't been keeping up with things, but have flightsim.com and simmarket.com run the statement yet? If not I'm sure I can get it on their weekly mailing lists and front pages, been friends with the owners for many years. I would also suggest that if you've got a Facebook account that you spend some time searching within Flight simulator. Look for the proflightsim phony box art to locate their pages and report them as a scam to FB. I've opened THIS IS A SCAM discussions on many of the pages. The most entertaining of the threads has unfortunately, been deleted. (I'm not sure how insulting it is when someone yells, You Zero Affiliate!, but it was pretty damn funny.) It appears that the sock-puppet hurling those insults has also been removed from FB, so it does do SOME good to report this crap to them. Thanks! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 23:10:19 +0100, Gijs wrote in message dub102-w12a229e288e123c22a53c5d3...@phx.gbl: In order to promote our statement, I've created a YouTube video, explaining some basic things about FlightSimPro and the like, and reference the viewers to our statement. If we all vote thumbs up on this video, add it to our public playlists, make it favourits etc., it will come up higher in the search results and thus be more visible to potential buyers. It's already third in row when searching for FlightSimPro! The video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6LAWlRaydo Comments/ideas on the content of the video are welcome of course. ..links on the right now adds real to the pro sim flight name pieces, the scammer builds sim names from. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
? re: http://www.flightgear.org/flightprosim.html I've just tried posting a link to this on facebook to warn all my friends, but unfortunately the information automatically extracted by the facebook sharing mechanism for the page is as follows: __ FlightGear Flight Simulator http://www.flightgear.org/flightprosim.html FlightGear is an open-source flight simulator that was created in 1996. It is released under the GNU General Public License v2, and as such, it is free to use, modify and distribute with few restrictions. It has been developed with the collaboration of a large number of individuals over the last 14+ [NO IMAGE] __ What it needs to be is something more like: __ Flight Pro Sim - FlightGear statement As many people will be aware, there is a (self described) new flight simulator product that is being widely and actively marketed at the moment under various names - Flight Pro Sim, Pro Flight Simulator, etc. These new simulators are simply a rebranding of the FlightGear open-source flight simulator. However, the marketing tactics of the Flight Pro Sim guys have caused more than a bit of confusion with end users. To help provide some clarity and answer some common questions, we (the core FlightGear development team) felt it was appropriate to make a statement, and provide a FAQ. [NICE IMAGE] __ i.e. the title of the page plus the first paragraph. The facebook sharing mechanism is unable to find any images. Is this important? Yes, a link without an image is very unlikely to gain the necessary attention in the crowded 'wall space' of facebook. Would it be possible to change the page to be more facebook friendly as described above? By the way, in writing this post, I've just had the thought that FlightGear Flight Pro Sim statement, if read/seen in isolation, could give the impression that Flight Pro Sim is *part of * the FlightGear project, hence my proposed reworded title above Flight Pro Sim - FlightGear statement. Mally - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3286 - Release Date: 11/28/10 -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
Hi Mally, facebook is pulling an excerpt from the middle of the statement. Does anyone know how to influence Facebook's extract pulling code? Just for fun I threw an img tag at the bottom with a B1900 cockpit photo ... will facebook pick that up? Thanks, Curt. On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:45 AM, Mally wrote: ? re: http://www.flightgear.org/flightprosim.html I've just tried posting a link to this on facebook to warn all my friends, but unfortunately the information automatically extracted by the facebook sharing mechanism for the page is as follows: __ FlightGear Flight Simulator http://www.flightgear.org/flightprosim.html FlightGear is an open-source flight simulator that was created in 1996. It is released under the GNU General Public License v2, and as such, it is free to use, modify and distribute with few restrictions. It has been developed with the collaboration of a large number of individuals over the last 14+ [NO IMAGE] __ What it needs to be is something more like: __ Flight Pro Sim - FlightGear statement As many people will be aware, there is a (self described) new flight simulator product that is being widely and actively marketed at the moment under various names - Flight Pro Sim, Pro Flight Simulator, etc. These new simulators are simply a rebranding of the FlightGear open-source flight simulator. However, the marketing tactics of the Flight Pro Sim guys have caused more than a bit of confusion with end users. To help provide some clarity and answer some common questions, we (the core FlightGear development team) felt it was appropriate to make a statement, and provide a FAQ. [NICE IMAGE] __ i.e. the title of the page plus the first paragraph. The facebook sharing mechanism is unable to find any images. Is this important? Yes, a link without an image is very unlikely to gain the necessary attention in the crowded 'wall space' of facebook. Would it be possible to change the page to be more facebook friendly as described above? By the way, in writing this post, I've just had the thought that FlightGear Flight Pro Sim statement, if read/seen in isolation, could give the impression that Flight Pro Sim is *part of * the FlightGear project, hence my proposed reworded title above Flight Pro Sim - FlightGear statement. Mally - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3286 - Release Date: 11/28/10 -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/personal/curt/ -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Flight Pro Sim Statement
In order to promote our statement, I've created a YouTube video, explaining some basic things about FlightSimPro and the like, and reference the viewers to our statement. If we all vote thumbs up on this video, add it to our public playlists, make it favourits etc., it will come up higher in the search results and thus be more visible to potential buyers. It's already third in row when searching for FlightSimPro! The video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6LAWlRaydo Comments/ideas on the content of the video are welcome of course. Cheers, Gijs -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
