Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
"Vivian Meazza" wrote: > And while Martin is making snide remarks - nothing was done without > discussing it with Jon Stockill first. I thought that he was running the > database - obviously he isn't and the discussions were meaningless. Pity no > one has told Jon. Running and maintaining the "Scenemodels" repository - which includes packaging files for download, feeding the most current state of affairs to 'TerraSync' and also syncing the shared models to the FG Base Package - is a joint effort by Jon Stockill and myself. Others are invited to share the workload or to improve the toolchain and/or the website. And even if it were just Jon's does in no way mean that he's responsible for subsequently picking up the stuff you (or others) are dropping into the Base Package. The simple fact that the "$FG_ROOT/Models/00README.CONTRIBUTE" is already a couple of years old doesn't have any negative effect on its validity, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
> Could we please stop hijacking threads? > > (and I know Martin wasn't the first offender) Do not know. If You ask me then I never had started any fight and would not do that here for sure. It's so hard to tell who offends who in non directive communications what attempts to do so only spoil common air without any productive result. My interest here is clear, I had made FG GPL craft what had get a lot of my time as most complicated FG craft until now, and it still not so funny to user due to current FG limitations which me personally can not push far. I do not mean to offend someone, only trying to find people who could help me to do so. So I highly agree with You, stopping of offense is best option. Victor -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
Heiko Schulz wrote > > > >> Finally, I found 3 affected global models in fgdata. Martin, can you > fix > >> these please (needs to go to the scenery database): > >> Models/Transport/ICE3middlecar.ac > >> Models/Transport/ICE3middlecar2.ac > > > these had been directly committed to CVS by one of those overly > >clever committers who are known to be ignorant, by tradition, of every > >general consistency rule. Life could be so easy, if > > And before someone shouts at me: > I was the author of the 3d-models- but the mentioned paths had been > changed after I sent them to Vivian Meazza for including them into CVS. > Not my fault, especially as I never had any right to directly commit > things to CVS/GIT. > > Thanks to Thorsten B. for finding the cause of that problem and fixing it. > > I will hold my hand up for the D: stuff. There seems to have been a technical issue with the CVS client I was using at the time using absolute paths - but now one seems to have noticed up to now. However, I don't and never have had a F: drive. And while Martin is making snide remarks - nothing was done without discussing it with Jon Stockill first. I thought that he was running the database - obviously he isn't and the discussions were meaningless. Pity no one has told Jon. Vivian -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
> From: Martin Spott [mailto:martin.sp...@mgras.net] > Sent: 05 June 2011 15:35 > To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F: > > Erik Hofman wrote: > > [...] > > 0) Does it meet the technical requirements for being used in >FlightGear ? > > Martin. Could we please stop hijacking threads? (and I know Martin wasn't the first offender) Vivian -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
Erik Hofman wrote: > [...] 0) Does it meet the technical requirements for being used in FlightGear ? Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
>> Finally, I found 3 affected global models in fgdata. Martin, can you fix >> these please (needs to go to the scenery database): >> Models/Transport/ICE3middlecar.ac >> Models/Transport/ICE3middlecar2.ac > these had been directly committed to CVS by one of those overly >clever committers who are known to be ignorant, by tradition, of every >general consistency rule. Life could be so easy, if And before someone shouts at me: I was the author of the 3d-models- but the mentioned paths had been changed after I sent them to Vivian Meazza for including them into CVS. Not my fault, especially as I never had any right to directly commit things to CVS/GIT. Thanks to Thorsten B. for finding the cause of that problem and fixing it. Heiko -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 13:07 +0400, Slavutinsky Victor wrote: > > -Fred > > Little bit other topic. > > Hi Frederic, I have two questions for You. > > 1) Can Your terrain engine be added in FG? > 2) Can it be fast enough for orbital flight with visibility ~500km and > speed ~3km/h, ~8km/sec? There might be some more questions involved: 3) Is it an accurate representation of the world or a procedural terrain engine. 4) Are you willing to /and/ able to release it under the terms of the GPL. Erik -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
> -Fred Little bit other topic. Hi Frederic, I have two questions for You. 1) Can Your terrain engine be added in FG? 2) Can it be fast enough for orbital flight with visibility ~500km and speed ~3km/h, ~8km/sec? Victor -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
ThorstenB wrote: > In two cases the referenced textures aren't even in fgdata. Hah, sounds familiar - that's a recurring cause of trouble with submissions to the "Scenemodels" repository. _I_ am running a consistency checker on every model, but . > Finally, I found 3 affected global models in fgdata. Martin, can you fix > these please (needs to go to the scenery database): > Models/Transport/ICE3middlecar.ac > Models/Transport/ICE3middlecar2.ac these had been directly committed to CVS by one of those overly clever committers who are known to be ignorant, by tradition, of every general consistency rule. Life could be so easy, if > Models/Buildings/tower-hexa.ac That's an old-timer, will fix as well. Thanks, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
On 04.06.2011 15:28, Frederic Bouvier wrote: > The problem is that the Blender AC exporter generates these absolute path. > In the PLIB days, the loader simply ignored the path to just take the > simple name. Right, unfortunately it requires another manual step. The advantage of not ignoring the path (OSG) though is, that you can reference textures in other directories. There is no longer a need to copy every texture into the same model directory as the .ac file. You can reuse shared textures from other directories (from the same or even other aircraft, from a global texture directory etc). cheers, Thorsten -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 15:28 +0200, Frederic Bouvier wrote: > The problem is that the Blender AC exporter generates these absolute path. > In the PLIB days, the loader simply ignored the path to just take the > simple name. > > -Fred > And AC3D does the same, and often one needs to add absolute pathnames to be able to edit it in AC3D, then remember to remove them before committing. I wish there was a command line parameter to tell the editor where to look for the texture files, it's very annoying. But thanks Thorsten for catching that error, and fixing up the models. S. -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
- "ThorstenB" a écrit : > It's generally a bad idea to use absolute paths in model files (even > if it's unix paths - and there's loads of "/home//..." in our > model), since you can never be sure if it's working for anyone except > the original author (see above). But only the Windows paths are known > to have ugly side effects - so please at least avoid these... The problem is that the Blender AC exporter generates these absolute path. In the PLIB days, the loader simply ignored the path to just take the simple name. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://www.youtube.com/user/fgfred64 Videos -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Please insert disk into drive F:
Hi, there are issues with some of our models due to texture references with _absolute_ Windows file paths (using a drive letter). Usually that's not a problem: OSG tries to load the texture from the given absolute path first (e.g. "F:\foo\texture.png"), and if that's not available, it cuts the filename and tries the given search directories (i.e. searches texture.png in fgdata/Aircraft/bla/Model/..). However, some poor souls happen to have exchangeable media drives connected to particular drive letters. Guess what happens... Windows blocks execution, triggers a "helpful" pop-up dialog: "Please insert disk into drive F: Click OK to continue..." Happens for every single texture referencing a media drive. Sounds like in the good old MS-DOS days - but is reported for Windows 7. Users get annoyed ;-). Might be possible to disable the pop-up with some Windows registry magic, or by changing the letter of their local media drive - but that's not a real solution. The 1.0.1 scenery release is also affected. Examples: Objects/e020n40/e026n44/aacr.ac => F:/Documents and Settings/Mircea/My Documents/My Pictures/RCAA_inaripatul.GIF Objects/w090n40/w088n41/john-hancock-center-fb.ac => i:\modeles 3D \JohnHancockCenter\john-hancock-center-1.rgb Apparently, it's better with current TerraSync. But I haven't checked all files. I found the same issue with some of our fgdata/Aircraft and took the liberty of fixing these: A340-600, A380, B-52F, Dromader, Hunter, Lockheed-NF104, Spitfire, victor http://www.gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/commit/2902907538a1fbddecd78c481f18daa2ade7dd14 In two cases the referenced textures aren't even in fgdata. The absolute file paths made it work on the original author's machine only: Lockheed-NF104 and victor are missing lava1.png / brushed_alloy.rgb. Maybe the authors want to add these. Finally, I found 3 affected global models in fgdata. Martin, can you fix these please (needs to go to the scenery database): Models/Transport/ICE3middlecar.ac Models/Transport/ICE3middlecar2.ac Models/Buildings/tower-hexa.ac Remove "D:/Cygwin/FlightGear/data/Models/Transport/" and "c:/flightgear/cvs/fgfsbase/models/buildings/". A "c:" drive reference usually isn't a problem - but anyway... Btw, the model loader is an original OSG module, so we can't just change the code here (ignore absolute paths). Trying to avoid such references is the only (short-term) solution I can see. Might also be worth doing a "grep" on our model/TerraSync database. Maybe there is more... It's generally a bad idea to use absolute paths in model files (even if it's unix paths - and there's loads of "/home//..." in our model), since you can never be sure if it's working for anyone except the original author (see above). But only the Windows paths are known to have ugly side effects - so please at least avoid these... cheers, Thorsten -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
