Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Martin Spott a écrit : If you want the robustness of Solaris, so why do aim at replacing significant subsystems that _do_ implement this robustness ? The question is extlactly to understand, how works the normal X11-Solaris display : about this, i think that it has a little changed between Solaris 8 , 9, and 10. For this goal, i have today one way : kdmconfig. And i found this : As my machine fresh standard installed is, kdmconfig is switched by default on X86, not on Xsun : and the reason for this resides probabily in my graphic board, an Ati Radeon 9200 ; in the driver list (kdm) we can only find a ... "X86-radeon" driver (also selected by default), because, i means, not any other was written from Sun or from Radeon for Sun. A also found a command (an executable) /usr/X11/bin/xorgconfig, if i good remember, which generate a correct xorg.conf for Solaris : the interest is, of course, that with the options it's possible to activate same acceleration features, wich is actually for me the one need for FlightGear works fine. But... But that all, i will only use if the other possibility itself don't works ! And this other possibility, it's simply ... Xsun. Preparing my machine, i switched kdm to Xsun (=Sun/X11), with the corrects display settings (1280 x 1024, 24 bits) and ... X86-radeon, because i don't have other by hand. And it works, without error message at the boot. - the display is a little not so wonderful as with Sun/Xfree (!), but better as under Linux and, which important here is, it seems that it has a better acceleration (comparing with standard Xfree on Sun). Now i can proceed to experiment this with FlightGear, but i stand because your annunced update to Sol 10. I have also another CAD program (Ayam), which requires acceleration for display NURBScurves. But one problem after the other ! If FlightGear works fine, OK. If not : 1) the first thing will be to know, if it's possible to find any acceleration setting in Xsun, or another driver for my Radeon. 2) the second, for a moment ... Xfree, and other hand to forward the learning (and the help !) to Xsun... 3) the third, to buy a 2500 biprocessor with many accelerators and to transport it at home in my Stuttgart-low-cost car... Best regards, Sergio ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Sergio wrote: > Ok : i finally found "kdmconfig", what provides : > > - either to generate a proper xorg.conf (with any accel-options) ; > > - or simply to switch to Xsun, what i will now experiment with FlightGear.. I still wonder why you insist on cluttering your OS with stuff that doesn't belong there. If you want to make Solaris to be a lookalike of your favourite Linux distribution, why then don't you stick to Linux ? If you want the robustness of Solaris, so why do aim at replacing significant subsystems that _do_ implement this robustness ? This resembles of buying a Mercedes and replacing the interior with that of a [insert the name of a common low-cost car manufacturer], Regards, Martin. P.S.: Yes, I know, Mercedes doesn't meet the expected quality standards for several years now -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Martin Spott wrote: > "xorg.conf" is specific to the XOrg distribution of X11. You don't need > _any_ sort of such configuration files on Solaris, the don't use > neither XOrg nor Mesa, they develop their own distribution of XOrg. Wrong, I meant "X11", Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Martin Spott a écrit : "xorg.conf" is specific to the XOrg distribution of X11. You don't need _any_ sort of such configuration files on Solaris, the don't use neither XOrg nor Mesa, they develop their own distribution of XOrg. Forget about XOrg/XFree86, Mesa and DRI. Back in the times when I used Solaris/x86 they had some sort of curses-based device configuration utility in order to set device specific parameters. On Solaris/Sparc it's even easier: You simply install the software package that meets your graphics board and on the next reboot it _will_ figure automagically which board is installed. Ok : i finally found "kdmconfig", what provides : - either to generate a proper xorg.conf (with any accel-options) ; - or simply to switch to Xsun, what i will now experiment with FlightGear. Best regards, Sergio ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Sergio wrote: > - I downloaded and installed FlightGear (plib, simgear, fgfs, base) not > with the package installer, but with pkg-get install : I'll go and update to Solaris10 this weekend - though I still don't believe thhat they added a "pkg-get" command to Solaris. > - I can consider a xorg.conf self to write, but it seems better a > standard Solaris xorg.conf first to find and it only to adapt to my 9200 > Radeon... > But where ? (no any xorg.conf yet in my system). "xorg.conf" is specific to the XOrg distribution of X11. You don't need _any_ sort of such configuration files on Solaris, the don't use neither XOrg nor Mesa, they develop their own distribution of XOrg. Forget about XOrg/XFree86, Mesa and DRI. Back in the times when I used Solaris/x86 they had some sort of curses-based device configuration utility in order to set device specific parameters. On Solaris/Sparc it's even easier: You simply install the software package that meets your graphics board and on the next reboot it _will_ figure automagically which board is installed. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Sergio wrote: > - I found an Ati driver and a Radeon driver (.so) in > /usr/openwin/server/modules/drivers, but no file named 'gl-info' 'gl-info' is part of the FlightGear "distribution", Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Martin Spott a écrit : I must admit that it's not entirely clear to me what sort of setup you have. I didn't find the time to try Solaris10 myself but I doubt very much that they replaced their package installer and X11 system since Solaris8. I am familiar with having 'pkgadd' for installing packages and the 'native' port of X11 for Solaris, no XFree86, no Mesa. If you found a pre-packaged version of FG for Solaris - this won't be the package _I_ built because apparently your're running Solaris10 on a PeeCee and mine is for the SPARC architecture - then you should expect this package being built for a 'native' Solaris environment. You should go and get a graphics card that offers HW-accelerated OpenGL for the _Solaris_ X server. If you already got one, run 'gl-info' and look at the GL_VENDOR, GL_RENDERER and GL_VERSION strings. Thank you very much for your two usefuls and documented replies : - I downloaded and installed FlightGear (plib, simgear, fgfs, base) not with the package installer, but with pkg-get install : on this catalog is not the architecture specified, but only "(gcc3") ; why ? I don't know (the packages are pre-built), and i have gcc3 in my OS. What i can say, it's that after this installation, i able to immediately launch, see and hear the simulator, in the choosed country if i also downloaded the useful scenery. But ... very to slow. And i also in the some time automatically got Mesa with the FlightGear packages, without any request from me. - Today yet, with a fresh Solaris 10 raw installation (without Mesa and FlightGear) : no any libGL, libGLU, libGLw (.so) are findable in my whole OS : only a gl.h and a glut.h (not glu) in /usr/openwin/include ; and it's all. Of course, the OS seams properly installed, with a masterDVD burnt from Sun homepage (all MD5 OK) and also the companion CD. And i can say that the system works fine, and that the display especially good looks. - I found an Ati driver and a Radeon driver (.so) in /usr/openwin/server/modules/drivers, but no file named 'gl-info' or similar working command on the OS (and my PATH is yet not too poor...) - I can consider a xorg.conf self to write, but it seems better a standard Solaris xorg.conf first to find and it only to adapt to my 9200 Radeon... But where ? (no any xorg.conf yet in my system). Best regards, Sergio ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Sergio wrote: > [...] : Solaris 10=20 > has only a native libGL-1.xxx, not a libGLU. I don't _know_ but I very much doubt that this is true. Solaris8 has: /usr/openwin/lib/libGL.so.1* /usr/openwin/lib/libGLU.so.1* /usr/openwin/lib/libGLw.so.1* /usr/openwin/lib/libGLw.so.2* and I don't expect Sun to simply drop these libraries. I see, I'll have to run the next update on my gateway machine :-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Sergio wrote: > I've automatically (pkg-get) installed FlightGear on my Solaris 10 : all > is here (plib, simgear, fgfs and base), a good scenery ; the simulator > starts normally, with a perfect sound, but... very too slow. > > On Fedora or Redhat, i never got this problem after i puted "AGPMode = > 4" in my XF86.conf. I must admit that it's not entirely clear to me what sort of setup you have. I didn't find the time to try Solaris10 myself but I doubt very much that they replaced their package installer and X11 system since Solaris8. I am familiar with having 'pkgadd' for installing packages and the 'native' port of X11 for Solaris, no XFree86, no Mesa. If you found a pre-packaged version of FG for Solaris - this won't be the package _I_ built because apparently your're running Solaris10 on a PeeCee and mine is for the SPARC architecture - then you should expect this package being built for a 'native' Solaris environment. You should go and get a graphics card that offers HW-accelerated OpenGL for the _Solaris_ X server. If you already got one, run 'gl-info' and look at the GL_VENDOR, GL_RENDERER and GL_VERSION strings. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Andy Ross a écrit : Sergio wrote: I've automatically (pkg-get) installed FlightGear on my Solaris 10 : all is here (plib, simgear, fgfs and base), a good scenery ; the simulator starts normally, with a perfect sound, but... very too slow. What kind of 3D hardware/drivers do you have? FlightGear does not work in real time using software rendering. Andy Excuse me ! I've the essential omitted ! It's a 9200 Ati Radeon : on Redhat was required, to set "graphics acceleration" in the screen configuration menu, and also to choose the generic Redhat driver named "radeon", with the AGPMode stipulation. And it was all for the simulator fine works. - At the start, i don't have this experience, and tried first to download and install the proprietary RH9-Radeon driver at the Radeon homepage. It has effectively itself (rpm) properly installed, but FlightGear ran very slow... like at this day on Solaris ! The solution was this here on top. On Fedora 3 and Solaris, nothing to make, and no setting where i can "graphics acceleration" indicate. But on Fedora, it was sufficient without. For Solaris, i also looked at the Radeon homepage, but drivers only for linux, not for proprietary Unixes. About the software rendering, the question is important, because FligtGear needs an OpenGL, and it's the reason of the common automatic downloading-installing of Mesa-6.2.1 and FlightGear modules : Solaris 10 has only a native libGL-1.xxx, not a libGLU. Thank's for this immediate answer ! Best regards, Sergio ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Too slow on Solaris 10
Sergio wrote: > I've automatically (pkg-get) installed FlightGear on my Solaris 10 : > all is here (plib, simgear, fgfs and base), a good scenery ; the > simulator starts normally, with a perfect sound, but... very too > slow. What kind of 3D hardware/drivers do you have? FlightGear does not work in real time using software rendering. Andy ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
