Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
I thought I was done, but you know how it goes. I thought of several ideas for improvements, and managed to write the code to do it. In the latest, and hopefully final release of shuttlecraft and runabout, I have doubled the nasal code size to make ALL engine animations and sound effects act more realistic. Several other texture tweaking, and only a couple vertices errors. Also, I have added keyboard support and on-screen help, to look more finished. http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html Oh, and the smash to get thru the bandwidth door only lasted for the first hour last time... so waiting an hour from this timestamp can't hurt. Stewart - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
To everybody who is interested in ufo alternatives, the runabout and both shuttles are now out of development, and have undergone substantial improvements. http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html Enjoy! Stewart Joacim Persson wrote: Ha! You can run but you can't hide from the PS-05/Blue Vixen radar. ;) Can the emblem or door positions of the bo105 be seen across a network? Part of me thinks you're joking, but the other part wants to know. :) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Stewart Andreason wrote: Hi Ampere, Actually creating a cloaking device isn't that difficult, Ha! You can run but you can't hide from the PS-05/Blue Vixen radar. ;) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
On Friday 26 January 2007 01:16, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: AJ is currently holding 1st place with nearly 50,000 vertices with his Sopwith Camel. To be fair, Vivian has added a fair percentage of those too :-) (the Camel is a joint project). Worth every one of them though - have a look at the Vickers guns... Cheers, AJ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Hi Ampere, Actually creating a cloaking device isn't that difficult, having already experimented with transparency for the windows. I created a patch for danube runabout, and put it here: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/data/danube_cloak_patch.zip Press [TAB] to bring up the dialog menu to access it. or press landing gear button on joystick. (it was easiest to tap into, without rewriting the joystick.xml. But too easy to press accidentally.) It does create one side effect though, one that I may not figure out how to get around, without some help. Once the cloaking device is activated the first time, any non-textured surface with color, becomes washed out, even Grey. unless in direct sunlight. There is some effect from using Material:Transparency:alpha-property that changes something it shouldn't. Unless it is a feature I don't understand. Maybe the specularity? How can I access it to change it back? Enjoy! :) Stewart Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: On Thursday 25 January 2007 02:46, Dene wrote: With or without cloaking device? Oooh... I wonder what sort of methods could pull that off. :) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
I'm personally hoping a shuttlecraft will replace the ufo. Light and maneuverable, excellent for flying close to the ground, up mountain canyons. But you probably guessed that already. ;) Perhaps the Klingon Bird of Prey is small enough to fly near the ground. If it doesn't have too many vertices and faces. That's what's taken me over a year to get working with the runabout. I'd still like to know what that limitation actually is. Actually, it wouldn't be hard to implement a cloaking device. Just make every object an animation, and turn it off... Kind of defeats the purpose of having the model though, unless you're in a multi-player environment. Glad you like them, Enjoy! Stewart -- Dene wrote: Nice models - I am looking forward to a klingon vessel! With or without cloaking device? Wouldn't a Klingon warbird be a nice alternative to the UFO? Dene NZWN - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
On Thursday 25 January 2007 02:46, Dene wrote: With or without cloaking device? Oooh... I wonder what sort of methods could pull that off. :) Wouldn't a Klingon warbird be a nice alternative to the UFO? I would assume so. :) Ampere - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
On 1/25/07, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: Actually, it wouldn't be hard to implement a cloaking device. Just make every object an animation, and turn it off... Ah, but on the shows, the ships don't disappear suddenly; they fade out with that characteristic cloaking noise. :) Kind of defeats the purpose of having the model though, unless you're in a multi-player environment. Actually, I'm not sure it will work across the network. Which means you might not be able to see yourself, but others can see your perfectly. Sounds strikingly similar to that unfortunate incident I had last summer with the cloaking body suit I bought off of ebay. :-( Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
* Stewart Andreason -- Wednesday 24 January 2007:
Is there a programmer's guide to nasal and xml?
Use of Nasal in XML is no different from using it elsewhere.
Here in this case you can't embed any nasal:
emission
factor-prop/velocities/airspeed-kt/factor-prop
red0.0002/red
/emission
doesn't work when airspeed is negative.
But you can simply use a different property and write some Nasal
elsewhere that updates that airspeed property accordingly:
factor-prop/velocities/abs-airspeed-kt/factor-prop
In a *.nas file or elsewhere:
var airspeed = props.globals.getNode(/velocities/airspeed-kt, 1);
var abs_airspeed = props.globals.getNode(/velocities/abs-airspeed-kt, 1);
update_airspeed = func {
var a = abs(airspeed.getValue());
abs_airspeed.setDoubleValue(a);
settimer(update_airspeed, 0);
}
update_airspeed();
You may have to initialize the airspeed property or defer its usage
(via /sim/signals/fdm-initialized listener if you are using fg/cvs).
2nd:
Does the ufo flight model have any variables I can set, to Detect the ground
and stay above it?
No. The ufo FDM was never thought to simulate an actual ufo. It's
just the scenery browser and was originally thought (by the author)
to replace the old scenery browser -- the magic FDM. That's why
it doesn't have any fancy features, and I somehow doubt any such will
be added for nicer UFO experience.
3rd:
Does the ufo flight model support vertical take offs and landings?
(I see reactor jets in the harrier model, but ...)
No. You could, of course, fake that via a dynamic_view like
mechanism. Just tilt 3D model and view. Or use an FDM that
supports it. That would be YASim.
4th:
material emissions do not cast light on nearby surfaces. Are there other
light
sources available?
Not yet. I bet Mathias has plans for that. :-)
My thanks to Melchior for the bo105 files to learn animation from, and for
the
blender-textured-lights tutorial.
I'm glad that at least a few people look at this stuff. :-)
unfortunately, the fgfs_animation.py is broken and waits for a fix.
m.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
--- Stewart Andreason [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi, Sorry, but I get following message: Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable. And a question: Why it is called Danube ? :-) Greetings HHS Screenshots and downloadable files are at: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html My thanks to Melchior for the bo105 files to learn animation from, and for the blender-textured-lights tutorial. Stewart - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Curtis Olson schreef: On 1/24/07, *Heiko Schulz* wrote: Hi, Sorry, but I get following message: Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable. And a question: Why it is called Danube ? :-) Greetings HHS Screenshots and downloadable files are at: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html It's the dreaded FlightGear effect again ... :-) Post a link on the FlightGear mailing list and that site quickly gets overwhelmed with too much traffic. Same problem here. On the Danube question: The Danube is the name of the class of a runabout in Star Trek and was first introduced in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. All of DS9's runabouts were named after rivers on Earth. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Danube_class I'd really like some more spacecraft popping up, such as Serenity from Firefly, which is actually a model based on real-world aviation principles (e.g. has VTOL with reaction jets, etc.). I'm making a bit of a case study of building a light sci-fi styled spacecraft sim based on Serenity, which can be used for orbital flight and atmospheric flight (and be used to simulate real-world aircraft as well). Not sure if the sim will ever get built, but it might be possible to combine the efforts of Orbiter (for orbital / space simulation) and FlightGear (atmo flight), possibly with visuals on the planet from FS2004 or FSX. If you look on the net (see link) you can find a lot of data on the Danube class -- keep in mind that the model was never designed for real-world flight and I'm not sure how much a good FDM would appreciate this. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Hi, Geocities has an hourly limit of 4.2Mb for free accounts, so there's not much I can do short of finding a different site to host on. I had forgotten about this and did not anticipate the high level of interest. Because Danube is shorter than runabout? ;) or because I wouldn't name a c172 as airplane. Makes sense to me, and I'm sticking by it. :) Looks like R. took care of the why question. Stewart Curtis Olson wrote: On 1/24/07, *Heiko Schulz* wrote: Hi, Sorry, but I get following message: Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable. And a question: Why it is called Danube ? :-) Greetings HHS Screenshots and downloadable files are at: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html It's the dreaded FlightGear effect again ... :-) Post a link on the FlightGear mailing list and that site quickly gets overwhelmed with too much traffic. Curt. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Hi, Problem with orbital flight in FlightGear, is the scenery cache gets bogged down fast enough as it is. I believe I saw a comment about that, perhaps in the last month, that the tile cache doesn't get deleted properly. Of course, not a problem for normal aircraft, or short flights. The danube model may not be designed for real-world flight, and it would take me quite a while to learn how to integrate it with yasim, but with the exception of VTOL, I am quite happy with the way it flies with the ufo logic. More spacecraft here and there? :) Like shuttles flying in and out near the SFO bay bridge, just like in the movies. Don't give any ideas... :D Stewart R. van Steenbergen wrote: I'd really like some more spacecraft popping up, such as Serenity from Firefly, which is actually a model based on real-world aviation principles (e.g. has VTOL with reaction jets, etc.). I'm making a bit of a case study of building a light sci-fi styled spacecraft sim based on Serenity, which can be used for orbital flight and atmospheric flight (and be used to simulate real-world aircraft as well). Not sure if the sim will ever get built, but it might be possible to combine the efforts of Orbiter (for orbital / space simulation) and FlightGear (atmo flight), possibly with visuals on the planet from FS2004 or FSX. If you look on the net (see link) you can find a lot of data on the Danube class -- keep in mind that the model was never designed for real-world flight and I'm not sure how much a good FDM would appreciate this. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Hi Melchior,
Melchior FRANZ wrote:
* Stewart Andreason -- Wednesday 24 January 2007:
Is there a programmer's guide to nasal and xml?
Use of Nasal in XML is no different from using it elsewhere.
But I still need a manual. I can only learn from existing code, when said
models have every possible function included in use!
But you can simply use a different property and write some Nasal
elsewhere that updates that airspeed property accordingly:
factor-prop/velocities/abs-airspeed-kt/factor-prop
In a *.nas file or elsewhere:
var airspeed = props.globals.getNode(/velocities/airspeed-kt, 1);
var abs_airspeed = props.globals.getNode(/velocities/abs-airspeed-kt, 1);
right, and why are some variables declared without the var?
update_airspeed = func {
var a = abs(airspeed.getValue());
abs_airspeed.setDoubleValue(a);
settimer(update_airspeed, 0);
}
update_airspeed();
Ah, that's the part I didn't know about.
No. The ufo FDM was never thought to simulate an actual ufo. It's
just the scenery browser and was originally thought (by the author)
to replace the old scenery browser
Didn't anticipate that one, huh? :D
Another good reason to demonstrate the possibilities.
Does the ufo flight model support vertical take offs and landings?
(I see reactor jets in the harrier model, but ...)
No. You could, of course, fake that via a dynamic_view like
mechanism. Just tilt 3D model and view. Or use an FDM that
supports it. That would be YASim.
Ok, I searched the entire code base, and can't find any text like
dynamic_view. So this returns to question #1...
I'm glad that at least a few people look at this stuff. :-)
unfortunately, the fgfs_animation.py is broken and waits for a fix.
Ah, yes, a little broken... but it was adequate to figure out how the emission
billboards work.
2 New questions:
Is it known that overlapping transparent textures cancel out the ones behind?
I had to keep the warp glow from overlapping any other animations, (for
example).
And, Why do large .ac files give SegFault11 and crash? when the same mesh,
saved in .3ds does load ok?
(I am no longer certain why some meshes load in FG and some don't.)
Perhaps, Does the ac format create a size limitation inside FG?
Thanks,
Stewart
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 14:54, Stewart Andreason wrote: I have finally reached a point where I can call it done, with only some flight-handling details remaining. So I have a few questions: Is there a programmer's guide to nasal and xml? Not really, though there is a homepage for Nasal: http://www.plausible.org/nasal/ 2nd: Does the ufo flight model have any variables I can set, to Detect the ground and stay above it? I think you should be able to pull it off with Nasal by modifying the properties under /positions. 3rd: Does the ufo flight model support vertical take offs and landings? (I see reactor jets in the harrier model, but ...) Possibily, with Nasal, also by modifying properties under /positions. 4th: material emissions do not cast light on nearby surfaces. Are there other light sources available? Unfortunately, no. 5th, an observation: It seems there is a ceiling at 262410 ft. above which, there is no black space. No, I don't expect to fly to the moon, but it would be cool to see the earth from space. ;) Yeah, that's a bugger. I can't use FG in a presentation for a microsatellite. :( Screenshots and downloadable files are at: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html Looks good. Ampere - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Hi Ampere and Melchior and everybody who downloaded the shuttlecraft models, I have completed the VTOL and ground handling I desired to put in the model! Many thanks to those who answered the questions, it was helpful. I have updated all files, but if you were successful in downloading anything today, don't worry! I have put together a small patch-file (with 3 text files) to make the upgrade easy. http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/data/danube_patch.zip http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/data/shuttleG_patch.zip Melchior FRANZ wrote: No. The ufo FDM was never thought to simulate an actual ufo. It's just the scenery browser and was originally thought (by the author) to replace the old scenery browser -- the magic FDM. That's why it doesn't have any fancy features, and I somehow doubt any such will be added for nicer UFO experience. I think the fancy features have just been added. The nasal angle works very well. VTOL is available through the Hat on multi-button joysticks, in combination with the F4 modifier, (elevator trim). [TAB] also brings up a menu, for those who want to change the defaults. :) Stewart - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Is there a programmer's guide to nasal and xml? http://wiki.flightgear.org/ has a lot http://www.plausible.org/nasal is good for nasal the Docs dircectory of the fg installation And of course - source code is the best documentation ;-) Nice models - I am looking forward to a klingon vessel! Torsten - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
