Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread John Carlson
I didn't see lojban mentioned. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban On Apr 4, 2013 3:19 PM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.com wrote: The main source of invention is not math wins as described on http://www.vpri.org/html/work/ifnct.htm since the world would be speaking math if it were

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread Gath-Gealaich
The first math language Fortran was soon displaced in business by more readable code afforded by Cobol's longer variable names. Fortran was displaced in business because early Fortran had no structures and random record-oriented file access, and because of some silly government requirements for

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread Kirk Fraser
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:26 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't see lojban mentioned. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban Consider it equal to Esperanto in context of my argument. ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread Tristan Slominski
Thus a major improvement for world computing would be careful adherence to a world wide natural language That seems to be contrary to how the world works. We can't even agree whether to read bytes from right to left or left to right ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness).

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread Kirk Fraser
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Tristan Slominski tristan.slomin...@gmail.com wrote: Thus a major improvement for world computing would be careful adherence to a world wide natural language That seems to be contrary to how the world works. We can't even agree whether to read bytes from

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread John Carlson
Esperanto was intended to be a human understandable language. Lojban is intended to be a computer and human understandable language...huge difference. On Apr 4, 2013 3:39 PM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:26 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread Kirk Fraser
Actually zero difference in readability by me or anyone else who understands English but not Lojban or any trivial language. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:47 PM, John Carlson yottz...@gmail.com wrote: Esperanto was intended to be a human understandable language. Lojban is intended to be a computer

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread Tristan Slominski
It appears you are successfully working with English as do most people [**citation needed**] who communicate internationally. Not to say English best but it is what most people know [**citation needed**] and using it in programs would make them readable by more people [**no evidence for this

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread John Carlson
Natural languages include tenses. What computer systems have a wide variety of tenses? ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread Kirk Fraser
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Gath-Gealaich gath.na.geala...@gmail.comwrote: The first math language Fortran was soon displaced in business by more readable code afforded by Cobol's longer variable names. Fortran was displaced in business because early Fortran had no structures and random

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread Kirk Fraser
Liberal dictionaries have definitions that are by default wrong. For evidence of language decay, read definitions from the 1988 Webster's Collegiate vs. the current Webster's. Pure word and definition is needed to understand truth. People who love to lie get along without words meaning things.

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread Gath-Gealaich
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Kirk Fraser overcomer@gmail.comwrote: Liberal dictionaries have definitions that are by default wrong. There's no such thing as liberal dictionaries. For evidence of language decay, read definitions from the 1988 Webster's Collegiate vs. the current

Re: [fonc] Natural Language Wins

2013-04-04 Thread Jakob Praher
Am 04.04.13 22:53, schrieb John Carlson: Natural languages include tenses. What computer systems have a wide variety of tenses? John McCarthy analyzed this in his description of Elephant 2000 [1] sentence Algolic programs refer to the past via variables, arrays and other data structures. The