Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-16 Thread Finn Bock
[me] Now that ant.jar has been removed, the project is slightly less friendly to eclipse since ant.jar is required by the files in org.apache.fop.tools.anttasks. It is easily solved locally, I just wanted to point it out. [Peter B. West] Finn, I've been trying to find an Eclipse-clean way to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-16 Thread Peter B. West
Finn Bock wrote: [me] Now that ant.jar has been removed, the project is slightly less friendly to eclipse since ant.jar is required by the files in org.apache.fop.tools.anttasks. It is easily solved locally, I just wanted to point it out. [Peter B. West] Finn, I've been trying to find an

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-16 Thread J.Pietschmann
Finn Bock wrote: The same way that I locally solved the Jimi and JAI dependency: copy d:\java\ant-1.5.1\lib\ant.jar lib and adding the .jar to the Java Build Path/Libraries. You don't need the copy, you can add external jars as well. J.Pietschmann

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-15 Thread Finn Bock
[Jeremias Maerki] I've removed the embedded Ant in HEAD. I rewrote build.bat and build.sh to call a separately installed Ant. Instructions will be given on the command-line if Ant cannot be found. Now that ant.jar has been removed, the project is slightly less friendly to eclipse since ant.jar

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-15 Thread Peter B. West
Finn Bock wrote: Now that ant.jar has been removed, the project is slightly less friendly to eclipse since ant.jar is required by the files in org.apache.fop.tools.anttasks. It is easily solved locally, I just wanted to point it out. Finn, I've been trying to find an Eclipse-clean way to solve

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-14 Thread Peter B. West
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I've removed the embedded Ant in HEAD. I rewrote build.bat and build.sh to call a separately installed Ant. Instructions will be given on the command-line if Ant cannot be found. Peter, please test build.sh on Unix. I hope I got the whole thing right. Jeremias, It compiles

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-14 Thread Jeremias Maerki
No, I guess that's what was needed. Thanks. On 14.12.2003 09:57:50 Peter B. West wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: I've removed the embedded Ant in HEAD. I rewrote build.bat and build.sh to call a separately installed Ant. Instructions will be given on the command-line if Ant cannot be found.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-13 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I've removed the embedded Ant in HEAD. I rewrote build.bat and build.sh to call a separately installed Ant. Instructions will be given on the command-line if Ant cannot be found. Peter, please test build.sh on Unix. I hope I got the whole thing right. Jeremias Maerki

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-13 Thread Glen Mazza
Well done--I particularly liked the Ant instructions you added. Glen --- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've removed the embedded Ant in HEAD. I rewrote build.bat and build.sh to call a separately installed Ant. Instructions will be given on the command-line if Ant cannot be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-12 Thread J.Pietschmann
Peter B. West wrote: In the medium term, I think some sort of protocol for provides/requires and versioning will have to be established for matching jars. It has always galled me that everyone bundles everything to ensure that a particular application runs. Short: use Maven. What does

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-12 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I don't think so, as potential fop-dev have to learn about other things, too, especially CVS and how to build patches. I think that's a lot more complicated than having to install Ant. fop-devs can be expected to know about Ant because almost every Open Source project written in Java I've

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-12 Thread Clay Leeds
Jeremias, On Dec 12, 2003, at 7:13 AM, Jeremias Maerki wrote: I don't think so, as potential fop-dev have to learn about other things, too, especially CVS and how to build patches. I think that's a lot more complicated than having to install Ant. fop-devs can be expected to know about Ant

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Peter B. West
Jeremias Maerki wrote: Following a problem on fop-user I'd like to propose the removal of ant.jar and the build.bar/sh pair. I've heard that best practice is not to bundle Ant with a project, though I can't point you to a web page. It's reasonable to expect that everybody who wants to compile a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I can do that but someone will have to test the unix script for me. On 11.12.2003 10:33:34 Peter B. West wrote: Removing ant, fair enough, but why the build scripts? Shouldn't they be extended a little to check for the presence of an ant installation and make appropriate noises if one isn't

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Peter B. West
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I can do that but someone will have to test the unix script for me. On 11.12.2003 10:33:34 Peter B. West wrote: Removing ant, fair enough, but why the build scripts? Shouldn't they be extended a little to check for the presence of an ant installation and make

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Glen Mazza
I disagree on this point, if we're removing ant.jar, I don't see a need for continuing to maintain a build.sh and build.bat. Given that they must install Ant, it isn't too traumatic to next navigate to the fop working directory and type ant to make the build. (I'm not being sarcastic--the way

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread J.Pietschmann
Glen Mazza wrote: I disagree on this point, if we're removing ant.jar, I don't see a need for continuing to maintain a build.sh and build.bat. Given that they must install Ant, it isn't too traumatic to next navigate to the fop working directory and type ant to make the build. (I'm not being

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Clay Leeds
I don't think ant should be removed from the maintenance branch. Granted, users of HEAD should be adept enough to install and configure ANT, but I think it is more important to make at least the maintenance branch of FOP easy to use, than it is to encourage them to install and configure ant.

RE: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: Removing ant, fair enough, but why the build scripts? Shouldn't they be extended a little to check for the presence of an ant installation and make appropriate noises if one isn't found? I agree. Victor Mote

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Michael Reiche
On tor, 2003-12-11 at 16:42, Clay Leeds wrote: I don't think ant should be removed from the maintenance branch. Granted, users of HEAD should be adept enough to install and configure ANT, but I think it is more important to make at least the maintenance branch of FOP easy to use, than it is

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web Maestro Clay p.s. I guess this means I get to add ant to my list of tools in my toolbox... :-) Yes, highly transportable skills in CVS and Ant may be the two biggest up-front goodies you get by working on FOP. Instructions: 1.) Download ant

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Peter B. West
J.Pietschmann wrote: Hmhm. The unix version (build.sh) added *all* jars in the lib directory to the classpath, which made the drop into lib and call build.dh much easier. If this has to be done in build.xml, there's trouble ahead with jars containing release identifiers and such ugly stuff. Well,

[PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-10 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Following a problem on fop-user I'd like to propose the removal of ant.jar and the build.bar/sh pair. I've heard that best practice is not to bundle Ant with a project, though I can't point you to a web page. It's reasonable to expect that everybody who wants to compile a Java program to install

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-10 Thread Glen Mazza
Great idea! Like CVS, Ant is highly beneficial to learn, and it opens doors to many other open source projects as well. So I think this a tool we should be encouraging others to at least load on their machine. +1 for HEAD, and I think it would be fine to remove it from maintenance as well.