AW: MathML and barcode support for FOP

2005-07-27 Thread Norman Markgraf
Sorry to interrupt you all. But I have so concerns using JEuclid for MathML. I'm not sure if I have the permission to post here, but maybe you will excuse my post if so. I am not sure if using JEuclid is the right way to deal with MathML. As far as I understand JEuclid transforms a MathML

Re: AW: MathML and barcode support for FOP

2005-07-27 Thread Jeremias Maerki
The MathML extension uses JEuclid to convert the MathML to SVG internally so we get quite good quality. I don't think it is possible to create XSL-FO code from MathML because you can't properly place all the elements. Doing that with SVG is a lot better. On 27.07.2005 10:54:45 Norman Markgraf

Re: MathML and barcode support for FOP

2005-07-27 Thread Siarhei Baidun
Sorry to interrupt you all. But I have so concerns using JEuclid for MathML. I'm not sure if I have the permission to post here, but maybe you will excuse my post if so. I am not sure if using JEuclid is the right way to deal with MathML. As far as I understand JEuclid transforms a MathML

Re: AW: MathML and barcode support for FOP

2005-07-27 Thread Vincent Hennebert
While we are speaking of that, If I may give my opinion: I agree with Norman that using images to render maths isn't a good solution in the long-term. The fact that it is SVG improves the situation a bit because fonts will be rendered fine, but there are other problems to address: for example

AW: MathML and barcode support for FOP

2005-07-27 Thread Norman Markgraf
Thank you, Siarhei, for the explanation of the interrelationship between JEuclid and FOP. In fact that was roughly what I mean by image. As I explained, I am not in the details. The words by Jeremias, that you can not place all element properly, might be the point that sounds the most important

Re: AW: MathML and barcode support for FOP

2005-07-27 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Please don't work on private channels. You can use the fop-dev mailing list to discuss stuff around MathML as long as there is some relation to FOP. I wasn't aware of the advanced requirements like baseline alignment and such. At any rate, the new FOP has the ideal infrastructure to handle cases

Re: MathML and barcode support for FOP

2005-07-26 Thread The Web Maestro
It all sounds good to me. I was one of those asking for batik-less FOP, since I needed to output PDF from a headless system (I think we ended up using the Postscript renderer, and cat'ing it to the printer...). I also welcome the thought of additional XML Graphics projects. Not so much for

Re: MathML and barcode support for FOP

2005-07-26 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I was not so much thinking about additional XML Graphics projects. Bringing Barcode4J here was on my mind, but not lately. I'm not sure if it would be a good fit as it doesn't exclusively have to do the converting XML to graphical output. That's only one use case. Generating barcodes as bitmap

Re: MathML and barcode support for FOP

2005-07-26 Thread Chris Bowditch
Jeremias Maerki wrote: Devs, I'd like to have your thoughts about the following proposal. MathML and barcodes are frequently asked for and I would consider it a service to our users if we provided support for both out-of-the-box without people having to scratch together the little pieces to

Re: MathML and barcode support for FOP

2005-07-26 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I understand your concerns but we should make it as easy as possible for beginners. There are a lot of them, many knowing almost nothing about Java and classpaths. The beauty with these extensions is that they can easily be deleted when not used. No rebuild necessary. On 26.07.2005 21:45:33 Simon