Hoi,
The quality of the translations will vary. There are many reasons for it and
one of the things that will make a difference is the number of people using
the translate tool as a rough first pass. Once this is done, using the
translation functionality will help Google to improve the quality of
[foundation-l added back to cc: as well as commons-l]
2009/6/15 Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com:
Sysops on Commons arent just handed the tools they first must seek a level
of trust from the community that trust is because there are times when a
person must act in the interest of Commons. As a
Hoi,
It would be nice if you rephrase this. I do not have a clue what you are
trying to say.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/6/15 Shannon Miller shanmiller...@yahoo.com
I wish to see no political limitation towards the exploitation of
googletranslate technology to the success of wikipedia and its
Gerard Meijssen hett schreven:
Hoi,
The quality of the translations will vary. There are many reasons for it and
one of the things that will make a difference is the number of people using
the translate tool as a rough first pass. Once this is done, using the
translation functionality will
Hoi,
One of the most important things that is needed for adding languages to a
technology like this is having a sufficiently sized corpus. For general
availability, the expectation for the quality is quite high. To me this
seems to be one reason why Google did not add more languages. Another
Gerard Meijssen hett schreven:
Hoi,
One of the most important things that is needed for adding languages to a
technology like this is having a sufficiently sized corpus. For general
availability, the expectation for the quality is quite high. To me this
seems to be one reason why Google did
Hoi,
The proper use of language codes is indeed a recurring theme. Calling it a
hobby horse gives the impression that it does not have a real world
application. It does have a real world application and one of the problems
with language is that it is truly hard to recognise languages confidently.
Gerard Meijssen hett schreven:
Hoi,
The proper use of language codes is indeed a recurring theme. Calling it a
hobby horse gives the impression that it does not have a real world
application. It does have a real world application and one of the problems
with language is that it is truly hard
2009/6/15 Rama Neko raman...@gmail.com:
The service project angle worries me too. I have noticed that many
articles of Wikipedia, the service project that makes it easier to
find media in Commons by providing encyclopedic context to our
content, utterly lack the proper links to our galleries
It depends on how much a priori knowledge you have about the languages.
For the moment people tend to go into two camps, those who want to use
statistical engines and those who want to go for rule based engines.
According to one person there are some activity to include rules into
statistical
David Gerard schrieb:
2009/6/15 Rama Neko raman...@gmail.com:
The service project angle worries me too. I have noticed that many
articles of Wikipedia, the service project that makes it easier to
find media in Commons by providing encyclopedic context to our
content, utterly lack the
2009/6/15 Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org:
David Gerard schrieb:
I'd hope this isn't a summary of the views of other Commons admins.
Anyone else? Or is the Commons admin community this insular and derisive?
That was an inversion, a change of perspective. A rhetorical measure,
that is
David Gerard hett schreven:
2009/6/15 Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org:
David Gerard schrieb:
I'd hope this isn't a summary of the views of other Commons admins.
Anyone else? Or is the Commons admin community this insular and derisive?
That was an inversion, a change of
Something tells me that this was put back and forth through a machine
translator...
:-D
--HM
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
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Hoi,
It would be nice if you rephrase this. I do not have a clue what
Hoi,
There is a project called Wiki loves art/nl In this project people make
pictures of objects in museums in the Netherlands. The thing I have been
wondering about is that the pictures are first published on Flickr and then
are copied into Commons.
This is a project of the Dutch WMF chapter
Hello everybody,
I hope, it is never too late to discuss these things. Today, I have noticed
the Commons added following text under the edit window:
Re-users will be required to credit you, at minimum, through a hyperlink or
URL to the article you are contributing to, and you hereby agree that
The terms of use for editors will require that editors accept linking
as sufficient attribution; however, the instructions for re-users will
explicitly say that this is only one form of possible attribution and
highlight more permanent forms of attribution, such as creating author
lists. I would
Not that the conversation isn't worth having, but you should be aware that
we've been over every single one of these points at length on this list.
The WMF hosted version is considered a stable copy - it's safe to link to
and you have every reasonable assumption that it will continue to exist. If
Дана Monday 15 June 2009 20:24:39 Robert Rohde написа:
The terms of use for editors will require that editors accept linking
as sufficient attribution; however, the instructions for re-users will
Why do the terms require that, when this is in collision with actual licences?
explicitly say
2009/6/15 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu:
The WMF hosted version is considered a stable copy - it's safe to link to
and you have every reasonable assumption that it will continue to exist.
The project as a whole to an extent. Individual articles not
really.Their habit of being moved merged
2009/6/15 Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu:
Дана Monday 15 June 2009 20:24:39 Robert Rohde написа:
The terms of use for editors will require that editors accept linking
as sufficient attribution; however, the instructions for re-users will
Why do the terms require that, when this is in
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:05 PM, genigeni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/6/15 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu:
The WMF hosted version is considered a stable copy - it's safe to link to
and you have every reasonable assumption that it will continue to exist.
The project as a whole to an extent.
Hoi,
There is only one way to cite a Wikipedia article with a reasonable chance
of success and that is by referring to the permalink.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/6/15 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:05 PM, genigeni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/6/15 Brian
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Gerard
Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
There is only one way to cite a Wikipedia article with a reasonable chance
of success and that is by referring to the permalink.
Thanks,
GerardM
Which of course renders the historical wikicode
That is more to do with the interface to Commons, as I understand it,
rather than the governance of it. Flickr is seen as being much easier
to use. I believe that was also the origin of Pikiwiki - essentially
creating a better interface to Commons.
BTW, to date I've never had a problem with
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipediaaction=history
We're sorry, access to *
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipediaaction=history* has been
blocked by the site owner via robots.txt.
Smart..
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, geni
Дана Monday 15 June 2009 21:09:36 Erik Moeller написа:
2009/6/15 Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu:
Дана Monday 15 June 2009 20:24:39 Robert Rohde написа:
The terms of use for editors will require that editors accept linking
as sufficient attribution; however, the instructions for re-users
You are misinterpreting me. I do not want the re-users should include the list
of authors. I want we fully accept conditions of CC-BY-SA which guarantees
the work will stay free even when everything else collapses.
No, the work itself is not the only important thing. Also the way how rights
of
Well, either I am misinterpreting you, or you are misinterpreting the
CC-BY-SA. This is a great overview:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-March/050953.html
That's all I have..
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Jiri Hofman hofm...@aldebaran.cz wrote:
You are
Actually, Google added... Pirate and Montenegrin.
Mark
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Marcus Buckm...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Gerard Meijssen hett schreven:
Hoi,
The quality of the translations will vary. There are many reasons for it and
one of the things that will make a difference is the
2009/6/15 Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu:
I, for one, have written a piece of javascript that removes disputed text from
the page before I contribute.
Deliberate attempts to circumvene site terms which you've clearly
understood and consulted are irrelevant to the actual terms of
release.
Дана Monday 15 June 2009 22:46:44 Erik Moeller написа:
2009/6/15 Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu:
I, for one, have written a piece of javascript that removes disputed text
from the page before I contribute.
Deliberate attempts to circumvene site terms which you've clearly
understood and
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote:
I am not circumventing site terms, my actual terms of release are those of
applicable licences.
You've made it quite clear that you have a flawed interpretation of the
CC-BY-SA, which directly contradicts that of the
Дана Monday 15 June 2009 23:09:20 Brian написа:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote:
I am not circumventing site terms, my actual terms of release are those
of applicable licences.
You've made it quite clear that you have a flawed interpretation of the
*Mike Godwin http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Mikegodwin*,
General Counsel and Legal Coordinator since July 2007. (
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff) Hmm that would claim otherwise.
Mark
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yuwrote:
Дана Monday 15
I'm not going to get into any more of a tit-for-tat with you (seriously -
its my last post), but I do not claim to have legal counsel. As you would
expect, however, both CC and WMF do. The best you could possibly hope to do
is listen to their advice since this is unlikely to ever go to
court.
2009/6/15 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu:
The best you could possibly hope to do
is listen to their advice since this is unlikely to ever go to
court.
CC have a massive conflict of interest and public advice from Godwin
is kinda thin on the ground. Obviously we don't know the situation
with
Дана Monday 15 June 2009 23:20:10 Brian написа:
I'm not going to get into any more of a tit-for-tat with you (seriously -
its my last post), but I do not claim to have legal counsel. As you would
expect, however, both CC and WMF do. The best you could possibly hope to do
is listen to their
Дана Monday 15 June 2009 23:19:15 Mark (Markie) написа:
*Mike Godwin http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Mikegodwin*,
General Counsel and Legal Coordinator since July 2007. (
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff) Hmm that would claim otherwise.
I'm not aware of him having made any
Since Facebook is a pretty popular Internet service, where Wikimedia already
has a sort of presence, it might make sense for the Foundation to contact
Facebook to reserve the /wikipedia and /wikimedia unique facebook URLs.
Mark Williamson hett schreven:
Actually, Google added... Pirate and Montenegrin.
Mark
I first asked them in 2007 to add my language. They told me, no further
languages would be added at the moment and they would inform me, if that
changed. I asked them again in 2008 and 2009. One time they
2009/6/15 Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu:
Дана Monday 15 June 2009 23:20:10 Brian написа:
I'm not going to get into any more of a tit-for-tat with you (seriously -
its my last post), but I do not claim to have legal counsel. As you would
expect, however, both CC and WMF do. The best you
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Stan Shebsstansh...@earthlink.net wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
2009/6/15 Rama Neko raman...@gmail.com:
Furthermore, I sometimes have the feeling that contributors of
Wikipedia expect us to host all sorts of unacceptable media in return
of the service
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