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On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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Whew. We as a community figured that it would be insuperable from
the get go, about 9 years ago. And Jimbo duely banned the first
proposers. Glat
the resolution and now I support rescinding it, at
least in part. I don't think this is inconsistent with anything on my
part, nor on Phoebe's.
I have to say I agree. Perfectly consistent.
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content resolutions
(http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Images_of_identifiable_people
and http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Controversial_content),
though much less controversial, are also quite important!
Very true.
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gets wasted.
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ACTA appears to be failing precisely because it was approved in smoke
filled rooms and merely rubberstamped by politicians after the
agreement. The real snake in the grass is still OPEN. They make
believe they are crowdsourcing the law phrasing. But it smells
precisely like the pathetic Britannica
to exclude what
someone wants to make it easier for you to not find
you don't want to find. And it is done by the search engine software (at least
in theory), not people who are not the person browsing.
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high grounds where you can find ancient seafloors, and (if you
can imagine it?) high mountains with sharp edges, are turned into
rounded curves by the glaciers passing over them, with time.
If you are right about the direction Wikimedia should move, all you
have to do is wait.
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such terms as free votes that allow decisionmakers to let their constitutients
have a genuine sense where their representatives hearts truly lie.
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about those
examples without using them.
Best example is blueberry wine. It got merged in with fruit wine.
Truth is blueberry wine is not fruit wine, but pectine enzymatic over
the 16 % limit fermentation...Much stronger.
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rate of new editors.
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that was called for with the Haymarket article.
A cop pulls over a black man and and follows the usual procedures. It turns
out he was a Harvard Professor. He failed to exercise good judgement.
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properly requires.
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have to stand fast. It isn't our neutrality that is at stake, it is
our very existence, and our ability to stay neutral under pressure
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been tweaked,
so the original intent is completely clouded and replaced by a vastly
expanded ambit of applicability.
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On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote:
On 2/19/12 2:29 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
The key problem here is that WP:UNDUE was expressly written to address
the problem of genuine ongoing controversies, and fringe views. In
this case there is no ongoing
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, 19/02/2012 08:12:
Do the people at MeatballWiki know?
Why should they care?
This is where it all started,
http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RightToLeave
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On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, 19/02/2012 08:12:
Do the people
My read on this is that we did accomplish something for all time. We
established that we matter. We meaning the larger we, not wikipedia
google or any player, but the real body politic.
SOPA PIPA are not dead, but they are in the long grass. ACTA it
appears is going the same way (hopefully)
suspect we
all know that deep within our hearts, but loathe to go through the
tedium of overhauling a policy page with such deep devotees.
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in this fashion daily if not hourly.
Those (ab)uses just haven't been as glaringly obvious. I suspect we
all know that deep within our hearts, but loathe to go through the
tedium of overhauling a policy page with such deep devotees.
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Do the people at MeatballWiki know?
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practise has shown, we really
don't want thin-skinned people on the board. That leads to escalation
of drama, not reduction of it.
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president is a title in
some historical inalienable sense. It isn't. Grammatically it can
still be used in the plain sense as denoting he who presides.
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be a supreme irony that letters of marque
would be used in defense of Mickey Mouse, but not the homeland.
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moderation limits should be lifted entirely. We really
are on war footing. Not bean-bags at 50 yards footing. We need
to sort things out, and more talk is a good thing, not a bad thing.
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costing the Foundation a single backhander.
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:12 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22 January 2012 23:50, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
So we will put a few fallback datacenters elsewhere, just so our
various communities and chapters realize we aren't going to be
bullied by US
as
a movement can be more effective in some political game.
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that comes up trumps should we
confidently tell the donors that is the way it is going to be for
ever, and that our view of our mission is going to define what is
appropriate, not theirs. Or is there some other way to speak to them
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. You are their servants. Get it?
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, and
there need never have been any [[Anjala conspiracy]].
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representing that I am the source of rudeness.
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On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/12/2011, at 17:38, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope you will forgive me for being a bit terse and blunt. It is the
season
for unpalatable truths, and not just in Scotland. To an impartial
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
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Trying to do something and not succeeding is not a failure - so long as we
learn from the mistakes. As it says on the door as you leave the WMF
timewaster and failure, namely Nupedia.
Just because you are fiddling the bits doesn't mean you are improving
things. Usually you are just making them fail less badly. Not a way to
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that, everything else flows from that.
If you worry about whether you are fulfilling all the conflicting requirements
coming at you from various sides, you are in for a hiding to nothing. You
won't win, you may not lose, but your position will be ever vulnerable and
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or whatever) an edit is the nucleus of the issue. It has
failed, it will fail and no amount of trying to push on a string will
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aggressive about the way things are allowed as valid contributions
to the encyclopaedia, is worse than being up front about it. Is that succint
enough for you?
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be happy to take this into private e-mail. I don't think any
intelligent
readers are much impressed by your logic...
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with consensus.
The former is what people inside your own mind think, the latter is what a group
of people think (and usually act upon).
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hard shoulder.
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On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 7:28 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 December 2011 17:10, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not think the aims of the mechanism are wrong. But I *do* think the
mechanism itself and any attempts to fashion such in a universe of human
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 7:57 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 December 2011 17:45, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm quite keen on the idea of a free-form comment box accessible to
those wanting to edit. It's much more accessible article feedback than
COI'ng the shit out of our processes?
You will find that we are pretty inured against such approaches.
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to. Read
the words. Think for youself.
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and arm
waving and say It is alive! It is alive!
... And then see it just fall on its face like the corpse it is.
Cue even more bubbling vials with smoke and sparks. Let's try again!
This time it will work!
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 14/12/2011 2:04 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
I am genuinely not anti-american. The logic here does escape me though.
From a lawmaker's point of view, this is clear enough: US-based
websites are reachable
and merely acknowledge the right of countries to not
adhere to the onerous and WMF-centric attribution praxis. It would be
very useful for the foundation to admit, that absolutely nobody needs to
attribute WMF if they just mention a few chief authors of the content.
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't claim to have made a special study of the issue, but have had it
pretty much forced down my throat by circumstances. While our
in the legal text, but it would be extremely useful in the
human readable version. (By this I do not exclude lawyers from the class
of humans; but merely imply that the humans are a more inclusive class.)
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we actually advise people to do when they
reuse content... ?
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On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 12/13/11 12:14 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Using an URL does allow the semblance of attribution, but does not
fulfil the legal requirements of moral rights. I find it mildly
distasteful, that
other
version now exempts U.S. sites like ours.
I am genuinely not anti-american. The logic here does escape me though.
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
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[...] yes, we may be building up a list of categories that could be
reused by censorware sellers, but that’s not our primary intention.
I'm sorry, but who the fsck
that was then on
the table or a rejection of filtering in principle.
Am I being dense, or are you being silly? Blocking advocacy from a site with
a NPOV policy is a bajillion miles from being censorship. What? I am wrong?
How so?
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On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
Am I being dense, or are you being silly? Blocking advocacy from a site with
a NPOV policy is a bajillion miles from being censorship
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 03:34, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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While I don't find that line of argument to be a fully fledged
straw-horse argument, it
does appear to me to be a cherry-picked argument
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 03:34, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
While I don't find that line of argument to be a fully fledged
straw-horse argument, it
does appear to me to be a cherry-picked argument
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 03:34, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
While I don't find that line of argument to be a fully fledged
straw-horse argument, it
does appear to me to be a cherry-picked argument
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:11, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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This is not a theoretical risk. This has happened. Most famously in
the case of Virgin using pictures of persons that were licenced under
a free
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attempts
to subvert the use of such a knowledge-base. Which, I do assure you,
might not prove to be a trivial task.
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frigging
priniple of the thing. Wake up and smell the
coffee.
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it when
google was prejudicially priviledging other results above ones from
wikipedia (a practise they no longer adhere to). I don't see much of
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. But it
is just your personal opinion. Do you have references to any pages or
other sources that support there is *any* significant portion of wikipedians
or wikipedia readers who feel even close to the way you feel?
Or are you just a voice crying out in the wilderness?
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, but a huge and
strong entrenched core group. Pretending otherwise is just pure madness.
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On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:57 AM, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Which article was it?
Something on immigration. Moron is of the party who doesn't realize we
*need* immigrants.
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Not sure if this is appropriate for this list, but just for lulz. A
finnish member of
parliament just got caught for his speech being a word for word piece of
snippets from a Finnish Wikipedia article. No intervening binding lines, just
the Wikipedia text. Way to go!!!
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 21:03, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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Hi;
Could I humbly suggest the image in the campaign notice bar be moved
to the other edge of the page. In the default skins, the article
.
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can back me up on this, if he is still reading
this list, but the creator of Albedo Anthropomorphics is a genuinely
notable figure in the furry movement; if not its father or atleast god-father.
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,
this might well bankrupt me.
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Welll there is an obverse side to that coin. Tear it down, and they won't
come anymore.
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of the
elements of such are already in the code.
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about. Sorrry
again if my tone isn't to your liking. But be realistic and face the
facts. There would be no wikipedia without the people whose
traditions you are shitting down on from a great height.
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, This is the rhetorical
bottom of the barrel. Claiming you can read the other persons mind
through telepathy.
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may-target-legal-sites
Well, the servers still could be moved to Europe.
This one is never going to score. Going against a team of 900 pound
gorillas on the
intarwebs? Get serious. I mean, lost for words...
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personally
think my level of civility on the issue is pretty much consistent on the
height of feeling on this issue from the community side. You are free
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On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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This is very very meta. But in my own defence, I haven't posted
anything for over a year. Mourning my dearly departed mother. I have
the dead horse.
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genitals
being inserted with electrical appliance cable stashing piping, why
can't wikipedia? I know this sounds totally offensive on the face of
it, but surely that is the whole point. Being against censorship only
matters when there is a potential outrage there...
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there...
On Wikipedia this is called vandalism and trolling; and we *do* censor it :)
No we don't and that is the whole point. We edit. We don't censor,
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On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
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As a person from a more nordic and perhaps even ruder than brazilian
culture, We did confront a teacher who was in her retirement age
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote:
The English Wikipedia community, like any other, has always
be served to me and to
everyone else on wikipedia. Because we don't hide huge bosoms on
wikipedia. Period.
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On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, but that is not proof of what we as a community understand the
principle to mean, it means the board is on crack.
That's
don't people quite grasp?
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in the slightest. Period. We don't
say you can read an article about X and not see pictures of X. That is
ridiculous.
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categories.
As your the second person to raise this I'll add an explanation to the
proposal as to how this can be countered.
Do you actually have any idea what a Big Mama is, or how much brute
computing power one of those has?
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standards the image is more comical than titillating
*by our Finnish standards* --- but would be highly suspect in the US, atleast
if the deletion debate for that image at commons is to be given credence to...
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