Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Behdad Esfahbod [/me removes board hat] Hi everyone, I like to ask for your support in my petition for referendum to make foundation-list archives private and membership limited to actual Foundation members. If we make that change we would be able to discuss matters freely

Re: board meeting quasi-minutes, May 14th and 21st, 2008

2008-06-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Gregory Leblanc On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The board had meetings on the 14th and 21st to discuss a confidential matter which the board hopes to disclose in the near future. No minutes were taken because of the confidential nature of the

Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

2008-04-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Johannes Schmid Sorry, to step into this discussion, but I would really like to point out that every part of the world may have a gnome conference, even an important or *the* GNOME conference. But why can we keep GUADEC the european conference? If you want to do a GUAD*C at any

Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

2008-04-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Claudio Saavedra I currently don't like the fact that no one can even consider working in such a proposal. I think it's possible, but there's little incentive to right now, because it seems so unlikely that it would succeed. If there was a bid that might succeed, it would be a cheap

Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

2008-04-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Thomas Thurman Is the rule about having GUADEC in Europe rather than, say, in Bangalore still in play, by the way? The 'E' still stands for Europe, yeah. ;-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2008: Istanbul, Turkey http://www.guadec.org/ The two [separate] UIs are both

Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

2008-04-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jeff Waugh quote who=Thomas Thurman Is the rule about having GUADEC in Europe rather than, say, in Bangalore still in play, by the way? The 'E' still stands for Europe, yeah. ;-) Aha, was this more in reference to the text of the CfH? In that case, it's a minor disconnect

Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

2008-04-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=BJörn Lindqvist Americans might feel that it is a little unfair that guadec always is in Europe. Couldn't there be two conferences? GUADEC and the Boston Summit. :-) - Jeff -- OSCON 2008: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ Imagine a four

Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

2008-04-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Clare So Where in the world with the highest concentration of GNOME and KDE community? This thread has so far been considering the GNOME community only. Both communities have their strongest presence in Europe. - Jeff -- GUADEC 2008: Istanbul, Turkey

Re: Minutes for Directors Meeting of Feb. 27th, 2008

2008-04-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html No further proof needed... The Reply-To header was actually set to your own address, not to that of the list. :-) - Jeff -- OSCON 2008: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ The cool stuff

Re: Minutes for Directors Meeting of Feb. 27th, 2008

2008-04-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jeff Waugh No further proof needed... The Reply-To header was actually set to your own address, not to that of the list. :-) [ Dave points out that the offending Reply-To was of course on the announce list email. While entirely intentional, and more effective than setting

Re: Ga-nome or NOME

2008-02-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Ani Peter I have heard a lot of people pronouncing GNOME as Ga-nome and I feel Nome is the correct pronunciation. Appreciate if someone please advise me which is the correct pronunciation. When folks ask me about this at conferences and such, I always say, doesn't matter how you

Re: Re-considering expectnation web service

2007-12-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Baris Cicek Some people also suggested expectnation[1] web service, which is backed by Edd Dumbill. Followers of Planet GNOME would remember his blog posts about it. Much as I love Edd and his approach to the creation of expectnation, I think it would be awkward for us to use

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-12-14 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Federico Mena Quintero What I want to resolve is this: So do I, as already noted. Sucking guidelines out of my head --- that's exactly the kind of problem we need to solve. That's why I mentioned it. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-12-14 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Og Maciel Federico, Thank you for spearheading this. Please don't turn this into something it is not. I had already been working on this before threads on this list, and before Federico's recent mails. It is not particularly motivating to see the issue approached in this way. -

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-12-14 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Federico Mena Quintero But please don't ignore the question I asked: Who's on the potential maintainership team for PGO, so that we may inquire them about the progress? Sorry, but I'm not going to get caught up in pointless crap like this. Some folks may think it's okay to treat

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-12-14 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Julien PUYDT You've been asked to be more open, don't get annoyed if people are pissed by closed non-answers! I'm mostly annoyed at the attitude rather than the questions (even the ones that have already been answered). I don't really feel an obligation to give answers to people who

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-12-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Federico Mena Quintero It's somewhat more intricate than that -- I'm writing it up atm, so people can understand the decision making process (guidelines). That's the first step. :-) Ping. Any progress on this, so the editorial policy can be linked from Planet? Also, Dave's

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-12-02 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Richard Stallman I don't recall that any candidate explicily rejected supporting the free software movement by means other than improving the attractiveness and success of GNOME. But several candidates answered in a way that seemed to pointedly imply a rejection of any such form of

Re: Question for the candidates [Was: Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates]

2007-11-30 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Elijah Newren What will you as a candidate do to make sure we avoid this mess in the future? Work with the Membership Committee to document their practices and make sure they perform them more consistently in future years. During the current term, I have already made that you won't

Re: Question for the candidates [Was: Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates]

2007-11-30 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jeff Waugh Work with the Membership Committee to document their practices and make sure they perform them more consistently in future years. Miss one word and it changes the entire tone... and help make sure. They have done a great job this year, though as a result of numerous

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-30 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Shaun McCance And all of this could have been explained just as simply if the folks at boycottnovell.com had simply emailed us and asked for details, instead of posting unsubstantiated drivel. Pretty much the crux of the issue with that website. Despite transparency into the

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Rui Miguel Silva Seabra I think you're way too harsh on people who actually concluded things like: Sorry, but the negativity of that site greatly outweighs the positive. It takes more than a little sucking up to earn back my respect after the crap they've been spewing. - Jeff --

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Rui Miguel Silva Seabra Yelp has had an optional Beagle dependency for at least 2 years. It's optional, and it's not news. We need a new RPM in some distributions, as optional dependencies are not part of current RPM in Fedora, for instance :) libbeagle does not depend on Mono.

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Bastien Nocera libbeagle does not depend on Mono. Perhaps, if the Fedora RPM of libbeagle actually depends on Mono, it needs to be fixed. It doesn't. I am Jack's abject lack of surprise. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australiahttp://lca2008.linux.org.au/

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Richard Stallman The reason this is not so is that Microsoft is trying to spin the apparent support of GNOME into proof that OOXML is not bad for free software. Microsoft haven't done so publicly thus far, but the risk is there, and we will endeavour to make it absolutely clear that

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joe Shaw It's been frustrating over the past few years that GNOME hasn't taken a firm position on the issue. Agree. I suspect there hasn't been anything firm because (a) there is quite a bit of division within the community on the issue and (b) there is some element of walking on

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Og Maciel On Nov 29, 2007 5:40 PM, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If these programs are important enough to deserve the term miss out on, then I think they should be written in another language. Note that the above quote is misattributed, and was stated by Richard, not me

Re: On Boston Summit organization and delegation [was Re: A question to candidates]

2007-11-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Behdad Esfahbod But if you look, I asked for help about Boston Summit on the boston-social list as early as June: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/boston-social/2007-June/msg0.html and got no reply. I mailed at least three Boston residents directly and got no reply either.

Re: On Boston Summit organization and delegation [was Re: A question to candidates]

2007-11-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Ghee Teo Have the board paused and thought why the Summit has to be Boston? Is it because most hackers work around Boston? May be it was the case. Because there's a critical mass of developers there -- most of both the Red Hat and Novell desktop teams. - Jeff -- GNOME.conf.au

Re: On Boston Summit organization and delegation [was Re: A question to candidates]

2007-11-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jeff Waugh quote who=Ghee Teo Have the board paused and thought why the Summit has to be Boston? Is it because most hackers work around Boston? May be it was the case. Because there's a critical mass of developers there -- most of both the Red Hat and Novell desktop teams

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-11-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Gregory Leblanc While this is all technically true, I think it's somewhat misleading, based on my recollections, and what I could find in a brief browse of the mailing list archives. There was much clearer leadership in the community then, but I do not believe that the community

Re: two questions for candidates

2007-11-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jeff Waugh quote who=Richard Stallman 1. Would you change anything in the GNOME Foundation statement about OOXML? I'd probably include a message about not fighting OOXML on political grounds because they have no impact on the ISO standardisation process. To succeed, we need

Re: GNOME Foundation Elections 2007. Let's start the debate!

2007-11-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Vincent Untz Jeff is right: it's not all rollercoasters and martinis. There's ice cream too. I heartily endorse this strategy. /quimby http://www.flickr.com/photos/garrett/858313114/ - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australiahttp://lca2008.linux.org.au/

Re: two questions for candidates

2007-11-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Richard Stallman 1. Would you change anything in the GNOME Foundation statement about OOXML? I'd probably include a message about not fighting OOXML on political grounds because they have no impact on the ISO standardisation process. To succeed, we need to fight OOXML under the terms

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=jamie I can see MS spinning this to their advantage and I believe playing safe here would be better for us in the short term Thing is, Microsoft haven't spun it to their advantage. They've mentioned that Gnumeric is implementing OOXML, but that actually works against them (due to the

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=jamie In any event I dont understand why the gnome foundation was pulled into this - cant you do your work with ECMA without foundation backing? As explained in the statement, the GNOME Foundation joined ECMA as a non-profit to allow Jody to continue his work sucking the

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=jamie On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 04:45 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=jamie In any event I dont understand why the gnome foundation was pulled into this - cant you do your work with ECMA without foundation backing? As explained in the statement, the GNOME Foundation

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-24 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Rui Miguel Silva Seabra The more you guys keep playing the neutral game, the more you'll get abused like this. There is no neutral game being played here. Concerns were raised that the GNOME Foundation's participation in EMCA TC45-M suggested that we supported OOXML becoming an ISO

Re: Candidacy: Jeff Waugh

2007-11-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Andrew Cowie On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 06:34 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: * This year has been pretty tough for me as a Board member, as I've been starting a new business which has required a lot of time, I have been travelling a lot, and conference calls have been at a particularly

Re: A question to candidates

2007-11-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Murray Cumming This is generally caused by the habit of only making decisions in meetings, instead of making decisions on the mailing list. And a tendency to think that all decisions must be unanimous. A majority of the decisions this year were made on the mailing list, with a

Re: A question to candidates

2007-11-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Vincent Untz (also I'm not sure why you mention GTK+ developers never requested a GTK+ summit: it seems to me they did) It's sort of in the middle -- they wanted to do one, but never really came to the Board for support. We've always been 100% behind helping though! I'm going to

Re: A question to candidates

2007-11-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary What do you see as the best way to spend this money? Getting GNOME contributors together, face-to-face, to nut out the difficult problems that are tough to solve in a distributed fashion. In terms of hiring, do you prefer hiring a sysadmin, or an executive director? We

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-11-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Anne Østergaard Will you apply for the position as new Executive Director for GNOME? Will you apply for any paid position within GNOME while serving as board member? Unlikely, although I have considered it in the past. It would be foolish to rule anything out. Enough people have

Re: GNOME Foundation Elections 2007. Let's start the debate!

2007-11-19 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Bruno Boaventura [1] How much impact would being a member of the GNOME Foundation Board have on your current contributions to GNOME ? Not a huge amount -- most of what I do these days is either related in some way to the Board, or keeping things ticking as maintenance. While I've

Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft

2007-11-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=George Kraft On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 02:49 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: No director represents their affiliation -- they're elected to represent the GNOME Foundation membership after all -- but it must be documented (least of all because of the maximum representation rule). Should I

Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft

2007-11-15 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=George Kraft Great to see you running. So, you are not with IBM anymore? In that case your Bio page is outdated. I still work for IBM, but I would not officially represent them with respect to GNOME. No director represents their affiliation -- they're elected to represent the

Re: Help us prepare a budget for 2008!

2007-11-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Vincent Untz + small meetings/hackfests: As mentioned to the Board previously, I'd like to put a GNOME Mobile (maybe also GTK+ if they're keen [1]) summit on the budget agenda for March/April 2008, in Europe. It's far enough away from both the Boston Summit and GUADEC that I think

Re: Who would be a good member? [Was: About the coming election]

2007-11-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Vincent Untz Also, people tend to forget what they wrote in their introduction after a few months :-) Again, as Quim said, it's not because they're bad people. It's just really easy to forget the original plan when many new things have appeared in the meantime! (I'm sure I'd be

Re: bounties?

2007-11-06 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak Did the foundation come out against bounties on principal, or has the idea just not gone anywhere? Given that you've read previous threads here, I'll just briefly summarise where I think we stand with regards to bounties: We've had some success and some

Re: Executive director [was: Re: OOXML]

2007-11-06 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=David Bolter It is perhaps of interest to some that the Mozilla Foundation has not found it easy to find a new Executive Director (see http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/executive-director-search.html). Note the Mozilla position comes with salary and benefits. Are we thinking the

Who would be a good member? [Was: About the coming election]

2007-11-06 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay That in effect perhaps raises the important question So who would be a good member of the Board?. Above all else, I hope you vote for people you know and trust to represent what you value about GNOME. To put it in a clunky but simple way, if GNOME is People,

Re: board [was Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]]

2007-11-05 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil Also, looking backwards we also see that our time and issues could have been invested much better. I think that's probably true, but I strongly disagree with your examples. I also think that with such high expectations, we can beat ourselves up pretty badly even when we do

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary Jeff Waugh wrote: Things change -- what was taken for granted while you were on the Board may not be the case now. Way to make a guy feel like his opinion is worth something Jeff. Huh? Of course your opinion is worth something, but the issue is not static. Would

Re: board [was Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]]

2007-11-03 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Alan Cox As for trashing you, it seems any comment about the boards actions or activities that is the slighest bit negative or in disagreement with yourself you take as a personal insult and follow up in flowery language attempting to supress the dissent by acting hurt. I pointed

Re: board [was Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]]

2007-11-02 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa I volunteered to take leadership on this position months ago. We chose to have a Board member as liaison to the Legal team, which was very clearly delegated the responsibility to provide legal support and advice to the Foundation. This is the same model as other teams, but

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-31 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa I am frustrated, and so I will be running for the board again. If elected, my almost-exclusive focus will be handling legal and secretarial issues for the board. So I can't guarantee that my being on the board would necessarily have prevented this particular problem,

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-31 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Andy Tai Maybe Jody's involvement can be just his personal activity and totally separated from, and have nothing to do with, GNOME. His involvement is facilitated by our membership of ECMA. We were entirely willing to do so. - Jeff -- GNOME.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia

Re: board [was Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]]

2007-10-31 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa I'm hesitant to declare it a failure until I see more evidence that delegation has been tried and failed. For example, I could do this sort of thing without being on the board at all- no need to appoint me to the board. But frankly I have not felt like my attempts to help

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-31 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary What we've shown is not having a full-time director has been a mistake It has actually been a very helpful learning experience -- understanding what the purpose of that role should be, by grokking the gaps. It's less obvious what that role ought to be now that we're so far

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-31 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Andy Tai For the future the board should really consider not sponsoring anyone to work on the OOXML format No one was sponsored to work on the OOXML format. (and withdraw existing involvement on the behalf of the GNOME Foundation), as many people in the free software/FOSS

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa So, uh... this apparently didn't happen, and now we're getting flamed (rightfully) for appearing to give a stamp of approval to a deeply flawed standard. So... when is the board making this happen? Although I disagree with the tone and content of your email, an

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Luis Villa This flaming was completely and utterly predictable. I'm disappointed that the board took the time to approve an action that obviously exposed GNOME to PR problems without taking the (very obvious) PR steps to reduce that impact. Based on the genesis of the open letter,

Re: Preliminary results for Membership Vote Regarding Change to Bylaws

2007-10-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary Voting in referenda is generally not very high, and there was 0 debate on this issue on the list (I did see some grumbling on IRC, but nothing concrete), so it's hardly an initiative that's going to mobilise the troops. There was buttloads of discussion around the

Re: Suggestion for coming elections

2007-10-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary Quim Gil wrote: What happens when you get less than 7 people with votes? I don't understand - you mean if there are fewer than 7 candidates? Quim meant fewer than seven who receive votes at all (implying that there would be other candidates running who received none).

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-09-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Vincent Untz But I'm 100% fine with this since we still didn't change most of the world to understand French; hopefully we will get there soon! ;-) This would be an entirely reasonable catalyst for applying censorship to Planet GNOME. - Jeff -- GNOME.conf.au 2008: Melbourne,

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-09-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Alvaro Lopez Ortega The planet is not a newspaper or a magazine, it is just a planet. That censorship / editorial line idea doesn't make any sense to me. I hope that this is a similar effect to that of great design -- you don't notice the editorship because Planet is highly readable

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-09-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Alvaro Lopez Ortega Jeff Waugh wrote, On 13/09/07 11:43: The planet is not a newspaper or a magazine, it is just a planet. That censorship / editorial line idea doesn't make any sense to me. I hope that this is a similar effect to that of great design -- you don't

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-09-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Tristan Van Berkom *sigh*, I wonder what you are basing this claim on, maybe there's an archived thread that you could reffer us to which details that ? Unfortunately my blog didn't have comments at the time, so most of the responses to this were on IRC or by mail. It's mentioned

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-09-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Steve Frécinaux I'd even go one step further saying than most people care about gnome and gnome apps, and not about one's cats and the other's culinar niceties. Because despite Gnome is people, I think that for most people, Planet Gnome is primarily about Gnome. Well, that's

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-09-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Federico Mena Quintero The current editorial control is simply more or less if you ever did something peripherally related to GNOME, you can be on Planet, regardless of what you post. It's somewhat more intricate than that -- I'm writing it up atm, so people can understand the

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-09-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Pascal Terjan I think that asking people to have tags/categories on their blogs and not aggregate everything would be better than having all the content of the ones who arrived first. Planet GNOME is about the people moreso than the project. We talk about the project *all the time*.

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-09-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jeff Waugh That's why full feeds are preferred over GNOME-specific tags Minor point: I do mean 'preferred'. If someone has a good reason for wanting only their GNOME-related posts on Planet I'm cool with that, but I always go back to ask before putting them up. So no knicker-twisting

Re: Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 23rd Auguest 2007

2007-09-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary I think it's a mistake not to have someone in Boston involved early in the planning process. This problem would not have been solved by having someone in Boston involved early in the planning process. It's just rotten luck. - Jeff -- Open Source in Mobile 2007: Madrid,

Re: Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 23rd Auguest 2007

2007-09-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary I think it's a mistake not to have someone in Boston involved early in the planning process. This problem would not have been solved by having someone in Boston involved early in the planning process. It's just rotten luck. I didn't say it would have been.

Re: Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 23rd Auguest 2007

2007-09-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary You don't have to take this as some kind of challenge to your authority, and get defensive about it. I'm objecting to your repeated griping-without-helping (and now in public), Dave. It's not motivating *or* helpful, particularly following up to this. - Jeff --

Re: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?)

2007-09-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Sanford Armstrong $ bzr init-repo --trees some-project $ cd some-project $ bzr checkout http://url/to/some-project $ bzr branch mainline working $ cd working $ ./configure $ make ...compared to the same steps using svn... $ svn co http://url/to/some-project/trunk

Re: Creating new modules (was Re: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Havoc Pennington Bringing it back to the present, there's stuff on svn.mugshot.org that really belongs on gnome.org, but it seems it didn't end up there. I don't think this was a conscious thing, but I think it probably was due to just enough of a barrier to create a new gnome

Distributed [Was: Git vs SVN]

2007-09-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Kevin Kubasik That's where I wanted to really lead this discussion, _do we want to go distributed_. I think the answer to that is extraordinarily simple: Yes, we desire to use the best tools for FLOSS development, and there is already sufficient proof and practical experience to show

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-09-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Zeeshan Ali Jeff replied to him? 1 month is nothing, I had to wait for 1.5 years to get my blog syndicated to p.g.o and it's been months now that i have been asking him to put my picture there. I received a mail from you on 2006-05-09 which I replied to, but didn't hear back. I

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-09-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Damien Sandras However, I am more and more disappointed by the way some people *control* that community, even if they never contributed anything back to it. I think this is an extremely unfair comment to make, whether it's about me or any of the other sysadmins. I hope you see to an

Re: GNOME Community Celebrates 10 Years of Software Freedom, Innovation and Industry Adoption

2007-08-17 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Richard Stallman To promote software freedom, it is vital to talk about free software, because the term Open source is most often used to lead attention away from issues of freedom. There'll be all kinds of explanation about Software Freedom and Open Source in the opening of the

Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months

2007-08-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Andy Tai It still looks strange to have the voting body to vote to extend the term of the current board, not the same as a general election. Extending the terms of some leadership tend to happen under situations where something prevents the holding of regular elections... nothing

Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months

2007-08-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Andy Tai OK, simply, the stated reason for the extraordinary measure (face to face meeting timing) is not a strong one to justify touching the term limit of the board. In that case -- let's try for productive input here, if possible -- how do you suggest we solve the problem? (Or

Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months

2007-08-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil 1. Make sure that from a legal point of view we can have board mandate not coinciding with budget terms. If legally we can't do it the rest is pointless. I've put it to our legal folks and am waiting for a response. 2. Check if the current board members would be willing

Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months

2007-08-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Quim Gil The current board was elected for one year and there is no exceptional reason to change this. The next board can be elected for an extended period and then voters and electors know what is going on beforehand. We could do that, and it has been discussed in the past, but it

Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months

2007-08-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Vincent Untz Sorry, I'm going to dive into boring details... Is this something from the by-laws (I couldn't find a reference to the 10 days notice there, but I only gave a quick look), or something you are suggesting? Yes. See under VII: 3-8. And by vote, do you mean referendum

Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months

2007-08-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Vincent Untz Forgot to reply to this: one worry (which is valid, IMHO) is that we don't know if all current board members will have time for the first six months of 2008. I know I have absolutely no idea right now if I'll be able to continue. Agree, though directors can resign, and

Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months

2007-08-10 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jeff Waugh So really, if we do a referendum, we have two questions: + Do you want to shift the election cycle? + Do you want to extend the current mandate of the board? I don't think we should mix them. Two questions can be the kiss of death for a 'referendum

Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months

2007-08-09 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Shaun McCance While this year's and last year's GUADECs were in July, previous GUADECs have been in April (2001), May (2005), and June (2004). If we have elections in May and June, then we wouldn't want to have future GUADECs any earlier than July. I don't know if that's a

Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months

2007-08-09 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Julien PUYDT I don't have anything against the current board, BUT extending a term after the voters cast their vote is very wrong. As mentioned in the original mail: (Note that the Board is unlikely to make a change like this without formally consulting our membership via a

Re: Minor change to Board practice

2007-08-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=The Face of Sun Microsystems Jeff Waugh wrote: 3. Recommend that future Boards appoint the President and Vice-President from elected directors annually (instead of Chairman and Vice-Chairman) As a slightly confusing nit, are we now saying there will only be President, Vice

Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months

2007-08-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Claudio Saavedra If I remember correctly, that's the situation since last year, when we decided to switch boards with the year change. What I don't remember (and can't find in the rules you linked), is what was the situation before. When used the boards to switch before that?

Minor change to Board practice

2007-08-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
Hi all, Another administrative issue the Board needs to deal with, but vastly less interesting or controversial than the one raised in my last email. :-) The Board is planning to fix a minor but institutionalised problem with the practice of selecting and current state of Foundation Board

Re: Minor change to Board practice

2007-08-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Dave Neary I think there's value in having a figurehead president divorced from the day-to-day running of things Unfortunately, that is not how the position is defined in the bylaws. Over the past few years, what we have called the Chairman (for touchy-feely reaosns) has for all

Re: Foundation and Source Code Copyright

2007-08-03 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Thomas Wood During discussions about copyright at GUADEC several people mentioned that developers were not encouraged to assign copyright to the GNOME Foundation. Not so much not encouraged as no one's ever done it before and we haven't created the necessary

Re: Foundation and Source Code Copyright

2007-08-03 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Thomas Wood We were aware of this, but since contributions mean that there are often a half a dozen different contributors to one file, we thought it may be easier to assign copyright and then list the contributors as authors. Copyright assignment generally doesn't make things for

Re: Foundation and Source Code Copyright

2007-08-03 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Rodrigo Moya hmm, sorry to say that, but I was under the impression this was suggested many years ago (2/3 or maybe 4), and indeed I've written some code myself assigning the copyright to the foundation. Usually small stuff that is not in GNOME, but I just had a look, and the whole

Re: Idea: GNOME event in Beijing 2008

2007-08-03 Thread Jeff Waugh
Adding Amy Jiang to the Cc. Hi Amy! :-) - Jeff quote who=Quim Gil This is a call for volunteers and interested GNOME lovers in Beijing / China / East Asia. Please forward to friends and contacts that might be interested. There is this initial idea of organizing a GNOME event in Beijing

Re: Resigning from the board

2007-07-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Ghee Teo Does this also implies there is a going to be by-election (first one ever) :) ? No, according to the GNOME Foundation by-laws, the Board may appoint a new director in the case of a vacancy (which we did last year under the same circumstances). - Jeff -- GUADEC 2007 in

Mailing lists fixage

2007-06-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Olav Vitters Mailing list setup is broken. Hiring someone to figure it all out might be a good idea; because currently I do not setup mailing lists just because I do not want to figure out how. I studied the broken setup a couple of weeks ago after doing blogo - I think I'll be able

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