Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-17 Thread Michael Schnell
Just to let you know: My friend Karlheinz (with a little help by myself) did manage to get the newest svn versions of fpc and Lazarus compiled and running as well on the BeaglBone as on the Ondroid U2. He is inclined to write a detailed Howto. Is there any interest to post same here and/or

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-03 Thread Michael Schnell
On 07/02/2013 01:37 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote: Any device whose I/O is not galvanically isolated and shortcut proof is not suitable for true embedded usage. That is why the BBB is done as a mezzanine (piggyback) board./ -Michael / ___ fpc-devel

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Michael Schnell
On 07/02/2013 12:47 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: I find smaller devices like the AVR32 and PIC32 more appropriate for embedded system. ARM devices with Linux are more for use with video. I don't see it that way at all. IMHO, having a Linux OS is a great plus for embedded systems. This makes

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Michael Schnell wrote: On 07/02/2013 12:47 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: I find smaller devices like the AVR32 and PIC32 more appropriate for embedded system. ARM devices with Linux are more for use with video. I don't see it that way at all. IMHO, having a Linux OS is a great plus for embedded

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Thaddy
Basically, this whole discussion is a bit pointless. On 29-6-2013 19:28, Paul Breneman wrote: On 06/29/2013 08:58 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: Le 2013-06-21 03:32, Michael Schnell a écrit : I don't understand why RPI (still) gets so much interest. The point is that the RPi is a *coherent

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Michael Schnell
On 07/02/2013 12:36 PM, Thaddy wrote: Basically, this whole discussion is a bit pointless. On 29-6-2013 19:28, Paul Breneman wrote: On 06/29/2013 08:58 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: Le 2013-06-21 03:32, Michael Schnell a écrit : I don't understand why RPI (still) gets so much interest. The

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Michael Schnell said: That is exactly what I stated in the said contribution. And of course this implies that it is not that well suited for embedded use (which is my interest and the target of most forum members). Any device whose I/O is not galvanically isolated

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Jonas Maebe
Hi, Can this discussion about the pros and cons of various ARM-based boards please be moved to fpc-devel? This discussion is completely unrelated to developing FPC itself. Thanks, Jonas FPC mailing lists admin ___ fpc-devel maillist -

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Sven Barth
Am 02.07.2013 13:52, schrieb Jonas Maebe: Can this discussion about the pros and cons of various ARM-based boards please be moved to fpc-devel? This discussion is completely unrelated to developing FPC itself. You mean to fpc-other or from fpc-devel, right? ;) Regards, Sven

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 02 Jul 2013, at 13:54, Sven Barth wrote: Am 02.07.2013 13:52, schrieb Jonas Maebe: Can this discussion about the pros and cons of various ARM-based boards please be moved to fpc-devel? This discussion is completely unrelated to developing FPC itself. You mean to fpc-other or from

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Thaddy
On 2-7-2013 13:52, Jonas Maebe wrote: Hi, Can this discussion about the pros and cons of various ARM-based boards please be moved to fpc-devel? This discussion is completely unrelated to developing FPC itself. Thanks, Jonas FPC mailing lists admin

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2013-07-02 07:37, Marco van de Voort a écrit : In our previous episode, Michael Schnell said: That is exactly what I stated in the said contribution. And of course this implies that it is not that well suited for embedded use (which is my interest and the target of most forum members).

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-02 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2013-07-02 07:52, Jonas Maebe a écrit : Hi, Can this discussion about the pros and cons of various ARM-based boards please be moved to fpc-devel? This discussion is completely unrelated to developing FPC itself. Thanks, Jonas FPC mailing lists admin OK -- For Linux Software

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-01 Thread Michael Schnell
On 06/29/2013 03:58 PM, Michel Catudal wrote: e same state. For someone who doesn't have the money for an HDMI monitor, it does have a RCA connector for NTSC (or PAL) video. In fact, my friend found that its more comfortable to use VNC and attach to the Target as a remote GUI from his PC,

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-01 Thread Michael Schnell
On 06/29/2013 03:58 PM, Michel Catudal wrote: An odroid is much superior This of course is an excellent choice if you need the power and can live with the effects of not using a chip dedicated to embedded use, which is important if you plan to build you own series of hardware devices based

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-01 Thread Jy V
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote: On 06/29/2013 03:58 PM, Michel Catudal wrote: An odroid is much superior This of course is an excellent choice if you need the power and can live with the effects of not using a chip dedicated to embedded use, which

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-01 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2013-07-01 04:36, Michael Schnell a écrit : On 06/29/2013 03:58 PM, Michel Catudal wrote: e same state. For someone who doesn't have the money for an HDMI monitor, it does have a RCA connector for NTSC (or PAL) video. In fact, my friend found that its more comfortable to use VNC and

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-07-01 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2013-07-01 04:39, Michael Schnell a écrit : On 06/29/2013 03:58 PM, Michel Catudal wrote: An odroid is much superior This of course is an excellent choice if you need the power and can live with the effects of not using a chip dedicated to embedded use, which is important if you plan to

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-29 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2013-06-21 03:32, Michael Schnell a écrit : I don't understand why RPI (still) gets so much interest. A friend of mine just bought two BeagleBone Black boards for € 38.- (+VAT) each. With the extremely versatile and well supported TI 1 GHz chip (that is taken from TI's AM... series of

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-29 Thread Dennis Poon
I 'd love to try this BeagleBone but its out of stock from which I live (using element14 HK). Dennis Michel Catudal wrote: Le 2013-06-21 03:32, Michael Schnell a écrit : I don't understand why RPI (still) gets so much interest. A friend of mine just bought two BeagleBone Black boards

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-29 Thread Paul Breneman
On 06/29/2013 08:58 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: Le 2013-06-21 03:32, Michael Schnell a écrit : I don't understand why RPI (still) gets so much interest. A friend of mine just bought two BeagleBone Black boards for € 38.- (+VAT) each. With the extremely versatile and well supported TI 1 GHz chip

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-25 Thread Michael Schnell
On 06/24/2013 05:23 PM, Thaddy wrote: The discrepancy in these maths comes from the fact that the GPU is also overclocked to 500 (from 250) and the Raspberry Pi bootstraps from GPU, not CPU. The BBB has an internal SD-Card alike chip. I learned that same has an 8 bit interface (instead of

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-25 Thread Michael Schnell
On 06/24/2013 05:25 PM, Dennis Poon wrote: Does have a stable stock supply? The BBB (Beagle Bone Black - I typed one B to much )seems to be easily available from multiple resellers. It had been delivered the next day. -Michael ___

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-25 Thread Michael Schnell
On 06/24/2013 06:05 PM, DaWorm wrote: So you might want to be careful about using them straight from the mfg, but you can build your own from the design data all you like. The nice thing is that it's an open source design and you can have any decent component shop produce it for you, if you

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-25 Thread Michael Schnell
Just to let you know: Karlheinz did get Lazarus working on the BBB with Debian. He just installed the Debian package for Lazarus. He was able to edit, compile and debug a test program. Compiling Lazarus does not work due to lack of memory (the BBB has 500 MB and no Swap configured), when

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-24 Thread Dennis Poon
Native use of FPC+Lazarus on MacOS X is fine. Even native use of FPC+Lazarus on Mac OS X cross compile to IOS is fine using the specialized Lazarus + FPC 2.7.1 + the packakge provided by www.pas4mobile.com I have deployed an IOS app on my Ipod touch without problem (of course, you need to

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-24 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 23/06/13 20:56, Florian Klämpfl wrote: So they support now native development on MacOS X as well? No, all development is still ONLY done under Windows. You cross compile to OS X and iOS. You also remote debug to OS X and iOS. I still think forcing a Windows licence for somebody that wants

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-24 Thread Michael Schnell
On 06/21/2013 06:23 PM, Dennis Poon wrote: Please do share your experience with BeagleBone I don't do anything myself on that behalf right now, butt I'll let you know when I hear success or fail stories from my friend Karlheinz. especially on how to write OSless FPC applications on it.

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-24 Thread Michael Schnell
On 06/21/2013 06:39 PM, Florian Klämpfl wrote: Does it have an fpu which supports exception handling? I am not aware of this special issue. The CPU is a AM 335x by TI. A quick search of the nearly 5000 page Chip handbook did not reveal anything on that behalf to me. -Michael

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-24 Thread Thaddy
On 24-6-2013 17:15, Michael Schnell wrote: Karlheinz said on the Phone that the boots in some 10 seconds to the command line when using the original Angstrom Distribution and at least 20 seconds when using Debian. -Michael ___ fpc-devel

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-24 Thread Dennis Poon
Thanks for your info. For information, my Raspberry Pi running the ArchLinux boots within 16 seconds to the command line using an old class 4 SD Card. If running Raspbian, it boots to the graphical UI in 30 seconds using a new Class 10 SD Card. Does have a stable stock supply? Dennis

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-24 Thread DaWorm
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Dennis Poon den...@avidsoft.com.hkwrote: ** Does have a stable stock supply? Note this response I saw to a question about the BeagleBoard/BeagleBone: Are we talking the design or the board? We will not guarantee continued supply of any version of the

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-24 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 24.06.2013 01:39, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: On 23/06/13 20:56, Florian Klämpfl wrote: So they support now native development on MacOS X as well? No, all development is still ONLY done under Windows. You cross compile to OS X and iOS. You also remote debug to OS X and iOS. This is my

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-23 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 20/06/13 22:41, Michael Ring wrote: Doing crosscompiles and remotedebugging will add a level of complexity that will not justify the better performance of lazarus when using it on the 'real' linux box. It doesn't need to be! Having tested Delphi XE4 recently with iOS and MacOSX

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-23 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 21.06.2013 12:23, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: On 20/06/13 22:41, Michael Ring wrote: Doing crosscompiles and remotedebugging will add a level of complexity that will not justify the better performance of lazarus when using it on the 'real' linux box. It doesn't need to be! Having

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-21 Thread Michael Schnell
On 06/19/2013 06:10 PM, Dennis Poon wrote: I have mostly given up on creating the cross compiler for MIPSEB-OpenWrt (or DD-WRT) platform. That is a shame ! (When the time comes,) I would be very interested in a decently supported MIPS compiler and IDE-support, as the PIC32 series, that is

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-21 Thread Michael Schnell
On 06/19/2013 06:10 PM, Dennis Poon wrote: I will be happy to use one for ARM debian. My Pal did some initial tests with the BeagleBone Black. Same comes with a Aengstrom Linux pre-installed in it's internal Flash-Card. As he already has some experience with (PC-) Debian, he is going to move

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-21 Thread Dennis Poon
I have successfully compiled my lnet+SSL program on Raspberry Pi. Due to its slow CPU, it took a while but everything worked :-) Good to know there are more low-cost easy to use ARM platform in the market. Please do share your experience with BeagleBone especially on how to write OSless FPC

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-21 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 21.06.2013 09:32, schrieb Michael Schnell: A friend of mine just bought two BeagleBone Black boards for € 38.- (+VAT) each. With the extremely versatile and well supported TI 1 GHz chip (that is taken from TI's AM... series of devices for embedded use instead of for cellphone use), with

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-20 Thread Michael Ring
You should better install the native port of lazarus freepascal on the raspberry and connect the machine to a display/mouse/keyboard. Install latest raspian from http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads and here's a user-guide for installing lazarus/fpc: http://elinux.org/Lazarus_on_RPi Then

Re: [fpc-devel] where do download BinUtils for ARM - Raspberry Pi?

2013-06-20 Thread Dennis Poon
Thanks. I already successfully install Lazarus/FPC 2.6 on raspbian :-) If you say cross compiling and debugging is not worth the trouble, I will take your advice. Dennis Michael Ring wrote: You should better install the native port of lazarus freepascal on the raspberry and connect the