Re: Censorship alive and well on frameusers

[Bill Swallow]

Wow.

I saw the list transition as transparent, save for a moderated
message once and only once. I asked Lisa about it privately and she
told me it was a one-time deal due to moving over to the new list
platform.

Sounded fair to me.

It seems the noise being generated around this topic is more
politically focused than anything else...

Can we move on now?

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Re: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?

[Art Campbell]

I don't have a 64 system yet, but I've found that installing as
Administrator while
running in safe mode solves a number of problems on other systems...

If you haven't tried that yet, might be worth a couple minutes.


On 11/22/05, Wade Courtney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I couldn't get the installer to run. :(

 I even tried different compatability settings

 Wade
 On 11/22/05, Aaron Gutfreund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Does anyone know how well FrameMaker runs on Windows XP Pro x64 edition (the
  Operating System)? Your feedback would be much appreciated.
 
  A a r o n
 
 

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More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid

[Harvey Greenberg]

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RE: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?

[Hales-Crotchett, Nicole]

I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the
list is by no means complete.  

~Nicole





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Re: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?

[Art Campbell]

And, by happenstance, Adobe just released their FM tech notes document
for the month today. One of the documents is Troubleshooting
Installation Problems. No mention of 64 being a special case.

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/331828.html

On 11/22/05, Hales-Crotchett, Nicole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the
 list is by no means complete.

 ~Nicole

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Re: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item

[Stacie Knas]

Thank you for your kind replies.  As I said, this is my first EDD and
there's a lot I don't know so please bear with me.  I set up the
numbering in the EDD (I want to minimize the available elements, and
instead have the properties governed by where they appear):

If level is 1:
...
If context is: {first}
   Numbering properties
  Autonumber format: n=1.\t
Else
   Numbering properties
  Autonumber format: n+.\t

Else, if level is: 2
   If context is: ul
  Numbering properties
 Autonumber format: \b\t
Else
   If context is: {first}
  Numbering properties
 Autonumber format: a=1.\t
Else
   Numbering properties
  Autonumber format: a+.\t

There's more to it, of course.  There is no opportunity in the EDD
won't let me put in a letter with a colon, n: or a:.  Hope this helps.

I'm doing it the EDD way so that no matter where a LI occurs, it will
be formatted correctly depending on where it is: numbered, bulleted,
first, middle, table (haven't figured that one out yet, had to create
a new element and para format), etc.



On 11/22/05, Etzel, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think you need to change the numbering properties for the paragraph
 format. I don't know if you are defining that through the paragraph designer
 or the EDD, but it's the same concept either way. In your first level OL,
 you probably have something like the following as the autonumber format:
 n:n+\t. In your second level OL, you need to change the n's to a different
 letter, like this: a:\ta+\t. That will distinguish the first-level n
 numbering scheme from the second level a numbering scheme.

 Regards,

 Gary


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Behalf Of Stacie Knas
 Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:27 PM
 To: framers@FrameUsers.com
 Subject: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item

 Dear Framers:

 Frame 7.1, Windows XP Pro

 I am tweaking my first EDD (using the Structured Application
 Developer's Guide) to get the levels and spacing right with list items
 (LI) in ordered lists (OL) and unordered lists (UL) and various nested
 combinations thereof, including depending on whether the list is
 compact or non-compact.  I am very pleased with what I have figured
 out so far, it's working well, except for one thing:  If I have an OL
 nested in a LI in an OL, the LI that follows the nested OL picks up
 that OL's numbering, thus:

 6.  Item a
 7.  Item b

 a.  item A
 b.  item B
 c.  item C

 4.  Item c
 5.  ...

 It doesn't happen with unordered lists.  My level rules seem fine, and
 they work if they are not interrupted by a nested OL.  I don't know
 where else to look; can you point me to places I could investigate?
 Thanks so much.  This list is invaluable.  Sorry I can't provide
 answers yet, but I'm learning a lot.

 --Stacie
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Re: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item

[Stacie Knas]

This is great!  I never noticed that Empty Counter entry before.  I
followed your procedure, Lester, and it's perfecto!  Thank you so
much.  What a great list.  Thank you all.
--Stacie

On 11/22/05, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can include the number or letter followed by a colon, you simply
 type the desired text into the EDD as content of the Autonumber Format
 element.

 However, I believe that you really want instead of designating these
 items as different numbering series (which is what the A: or N: do) you
 should include an EmptyCounter building block (will display as   )
 before your existing counter.  One empty counter should be used for each
 level of nesting, so a second-level list (first nested list)  has one, a
 third level list has two, etc.

 For example:

 If level is 1:
...
  If context is: {first}
Numbering properties
   Autonumber format: n=1.\t
  Else
Numbering properties
   Autonumber format: n+.\t

  Else, if level is: 2
If context is: ul
   Numbering properties
  Autonumber format: \b\t
Else
   If context is: {first}
  Numbering properties
 Autonumber format:  a=1.\t
Else
   Numbering properties
  Autonumber format:  a+.\t

 On Tuesday, November 22, 2005 02:57 PM, Stacie Knas wrote:

 | Thank you for your kind replies.  As I said, this is my
 | first EDD and there's a lot I don't know so please bear with
 | me.  I set up the numbering in the EDD (I want to minimize
 | the available elements, and instead have the properties
 | governed by where they appear):
 |
 | If level is 1:
 |...
 |  If context is: {first}
 | Numbering properties
 |Autonumber format: n=1.\t
 |  Else
 | Numbering properties
 |Autonumber format: n+.\t
 |
 |  Else, if level is: 2
 | If context is: ul
 |Numbering properties
 |   Autonumber format: \b\t
 | Else
 |If context is: {first}
 |   Numbering properties
 |  Autonumber format: a=1.\t
 | Else
 |Numbering properties
 |   Autonumber format: a+.\t
 |
 | There's more to it, of course.  There is no opportunity in
 | the EDD won't let me put in a letter with a colon, n: or a:.
 |  Hope this helps.
 |
 | I'm doing it the EDD way so that no matter where a LI
 | occurs, it will be formatted correctly depending on where it
 | is: numbered, bulleted, first, middle, table (haven't
 | figured that one out yet, had to create a new element and
 | para format), etc.


 - Lester
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RE: Framers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8

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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:26:47 -0500
From: Stacie Knas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item
To: framers@FrameUsers.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252


Dear Framers:


Frame 7.1, Windows XP Pro


I am tweaking my first EDD (using the Structured Application
Developer's Guide) to get the levels and spacing right with list items
(LI) in ordered lists (OL) and unordered lists (UL) and various nested
combinations thereof, including depending on whether the list is
compact or non-compact. I am very pleased with what I have figured
out so far, it's working well, except for one thing: If I have an OL
nested in a LI in an OL, the LI that follows the nested OL picks up
that OL's numbering, thus:


6. Item a
7. Item b


 a. item A
 b. item B
 c. item C


4. Item c
5. ...


It doesn't happen with unordered lists. My level rules seem fine, and
they work if they are not interrupted by a nested OL. I don't know
where else to look; can you point me to places I could investigate? 
Thanks so much. This list is invaluable. Sorry I can't provide
answers yet, but I'm learning a lot.


--Stacie
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:00:32 -0800
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Subject: RE: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?
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I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the
list is by no means complete. 


~Nicole








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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:58:52 -0500
From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?
To: Hales-Crotchett, Nicole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And, by happenstance, Adobe just released their FM tech notes document
for the month today. One of the documents is Troubleshooting
Installation Problems. No mention of 64 being a special case.


http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/331828.html


On 11/22/05, Hales-Crotchett, Nicole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the
 list is by no means complete.

 ~Nicole


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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:56:46 -0500
From: Stacie Knas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list
 item
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Thank you for your kind replies. As I said, this is my first EDD and
there's a lot I don't know so please bear with me. I set up the
numbering in the EDD (I want to minimize the available

RE: Framers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8

[Martha J Davidson]

At 01:47 PM 11/22/2005, Lightle, Ed (OH) wrote:
My questions is
this: Is there a way to globally update markers in a FrameMaker
document? I use FM 6.0. 
Welcome to framers. This is a good place for questions. To make it
easier, though, next time, delete all of the messages from the digest
except for the one you're replying to.
As for your question, I'm not exactly sure what you want to do. What kind
of updating do you want to do on the markers? If you can be more
specific, I'm sure we can help you.
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Re: EDD to XSLT and XSL:FO

[Marcus Carr]

Wim Hooghwinkel wrote:


I have been asked to develop some templates (stylesheets) for XSL:FO
to be used with XML documents.

Is there a way or are there any tools avaialble that can convert
FrameMaker EDD/Templates into XSLT stylesheets/templates?


Not that I'm aware of, but I can't say that I've really looked for them.


Any recommendatoins for creating XSL:FO templates (tools, open source
software, pitfalls)?

We need XSL:FO templates for both DocBook based and DITA based
applications.


Writing a complete XSL:FO for DocBook is theoretically impossible, as 
the structure is endlessly recursive. In practical terms then, you need 
to look at your documents for guidance about which contexts to code for. 
If you have documents, you can use something like the 'Topologi 
Professional Edition*' (http://www.topologi.com) to generate a list of 
all of the existing XPaths, then only write rules for the contexts you 
need to support.


If you don't have documents, I suggest you prune the structure of 
DocBook ruthlessly, even to the point where you suspect that it will be 
deficient for your documentation needs, then reinstate elements when and 
where required based on request and justification. (Hopefully you've 
already done this for your FrameMaker application.) If you sign up for 
creating an XSL:FO stylesheet to comprehensively handle DocBook, you'll 
find yourself on a hiding to nowhere.


* Topologi is a commercial product, but does have a 30 day free 
download. My company does have an interest in it, so you should weigh my 
advice accordingly.



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RE: Graphics question

[Peter Gold]

Grant:

If you need to do the same operation to the same 
degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
files. You could write the originals to a 
safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
keeping the processed copies in the original 
location.


Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too?

At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, Grant Hogarth wrote:

Ah well... *sigh*
Yes, I can do it in Snagit. 
I can also do it in Photoshop -- I was just trying to save some
time/brain strain.


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updated EDD template

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks, Lynne, you're a darling.

Your EDD template is really great! One of the best things you have
done here for my needs is adding the CommentElement and
CommentFormatChangeList elements, but I am making use of most of your
changes.

Bodvar


On 11/11/05, Lynne A. Price  wrote:
> I'm resending this message; it was originally titled "latest EDD template"
> and it bounced because of the word "test" in the subject...
>
>
> Jakob,
>The latest version of the EDD template is now available at
> www.txstruct.com (click on Tips and Free Tools, then EDD Template). It has
> context labels for Tags with each type of FrameMaker object. It also lets
> you "comment out" an Element by changing it to CommentElement or a
> FormatChangeList by changing it to "CommentFormatChangeList".
>  --Lynne
>
>
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> Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development,
> and training
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Mouse scrolling in FrameMaker again! FreeWheel problem

[Caroline Tabach]

I am working in XP with Frame 6.
I have downloaded and successfully used the FreeWheel  application to
get my mouse to scroll in FrameMaker.
Suddenly my mouse has stopped scrolling.
I tried to reinstall FreeWheel, but have found no solution.
Has anyone else encountered this problem?
What other solution can you suggest for working with a mouse in
FrameMaker?
Thanks

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer



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TP for FM?

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

What about:

@   editing fontlists on UNIX platforms
@   inserting tables into MML files
@   specifying Distiller parameters with PDFmark operators in 
PostScript flows
@   hacking FM 5.5.6 Beta for Linux so it will continue to run beyond 
its expiry date

Hedley

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PDF'd colored figures from FM to B/W?

[Zimerman Orly]

HI Everyone, 
Does anyone have a clue why the following happens?

I have an FM file with a colored PDF figure (imported by Ref). (Don't ask why I 
have the PDF figures and not tif or something more suitable, currrently, that's 
what the client has).
The FM file looks fine. 
Then, after I PDF the FM file (with the PDF figure/s) in it, my PDF figures 
come out in black and white, but not colored. The rest of the PDF is fine, 
including the other fig's (tif or eps or other).
I'm running FM 6 on Window 2000, acrobat 6 and/or 7 were used to create the PDF 
with the same job options on all apps.

Any clues?
Thanks, 
Orly.

Orly Zimmerman
Technical Writer
Tadiran Telecom LTD
orly.zimerman at tadirantele.com
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Freeze Frame when selecting Object Properties

[Shlomo Perets]

Bodvar,

You wrote:

>I have from time to time had a problem similar to this, although
>rather worse, i.e. FM (7.0p578) crashed when selecting a graphic on a
>ref page. I have not yet found out the reason for it, but in this case
>it helped changing from structured to unstructured.
>
>You might find the information you are looking for by saving as mif
>and searching through the mif file in a text editor. You should be
>able to find most, if not all, of the information you need in there.

With respect to anchored frame properties on a reference page, this is a 
known problem described at http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/322417.html
This item is placed under FM5.5 (Windows and Unix) in my list of FrameMaker 
Bugs & Issues, http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html  -- recently renamed 
to "FrameMaker Annoyances: Bugs & Issues" ;-)

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PDF'd colored figures from FM to B/W?

[pe...@galley.ie]

What printer is defined when you create the PDF?

I've seen this happen if you specified a mono printer.

Peter




Original Message

HI Everyone, 
Does anyone have a clue why the following happens?

I have an FM file with a colored PDF figure (imported by Ref). (Don't ask why I 
have the PDF figures and not tif or 
something more suitable, currrently, that's what the client has).
The FM file looks fine. 
Then, after I PDF the FM file (with the PDF figure/s) in it, my PDF figures 
come out in black and white, but not colored. The 
rest of the PDF is fine, including the other fig's (tif or eps or other).
I'm running FM 6 on Window 2000, acrobat 6 and/or 7 were used to create the PDF 
with the same job options on all apps.

Any clues?
Thanks, 
Orly.

PDF'd colored figures from FM to B/W?

[Shlomo Perets]

Orly,

You wrote:

>I have an FM file with a colored PDF figure (imported by Ref). (Don't
>ask why I have the PDF figures and not tif or something more suitable,
>currrently, that's what the client has).
>The FM file looks fine.
>Then, after I PDF the FM file (with the PDF figure/s) in it, my PDF
>figures come out in black and white, but not colored. The rest of the
>PDF is fine, including the other fig's (tif or eps or other).
>I'm running FM 6 on Window 2000, acrobat 6 and/or 7 were used to
>create the PDF with the same job options on all apps.

When you import a PDF into FrameMaker, it is converted in the background to 
EPS, and then the EPS result is used.

This conversion is not full-proof. I don't generally use PDF as a graphic 
format, but I did come across color distortions in imported PDFs (and some 
other abnormalities).

I recommend that you try the following: open the PDF figure in Acrobat, 
export it to EPS from within Acrobat, and then import the EPS into FrameMaker.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants
Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF & Technical Indexing seminars

Framers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6

[Patricia Carmel]

Hi Caroline,
Get an upgrade to 7.1 and you won't need any add-in for mouse scrolling.
I'm not being facetious - I tried FreeWheel and a number of other
utilities with earlier Frame versions and never managed to get them to
work. Frame 7.1 comes with this feature embedded.

HTH

Patricia Carmel | Technical Communications Manager | Unipier Ltd |
Mobile: +972-54-492-2958 | Ext: +972-9-892-0808



I am working in XP with Frame 6.
I have downloaded and successfully used the FreeWheel  application to
get my mouse to scroll in FrameMaker.
Suddenly my mouse has stopped scrolling.
I tried to reinstall FreeWheel, but have found no solution.
Has anyone else encountered this problem?
What other solution can you suggest for working with a mouse in
FrameMaker?
Thanks

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer



Fax: +972 3 6474681
Email:   caroline at radcom.com
www.radcom.com
www.protocols.com






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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:25:21 +1100
From: hedley.fin...@myob.com
Subject: RE: TP for FM?
To: framers at omsys.com, framers at frameusers.com
Message-ID:



Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

What about:

@   editing fontlists on UNIX platforms
@   inserting tables into MML files
@   specifying Distiller parameters with PDFmark operators in 
PostScript flows
@   hacking FM 5.5.6 Beta for Linux so it will continue to run
beyond 
its expiry date

Hedley

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Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist MYOB Australia

P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151
Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

(c) MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2005


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:46:57 -0800
From: Jefro 
Subject: Re: TP for FM?
To: Framers List 
Message-ID: <4382B0D1.3070307 at jefro.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I have to say, what really springs to mind is "Frame-opoly", maybe for
the number of times I personally would end up in jail.



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:58:23 +0200
From: "Zimerman Orly" 
Subject: PDF'd colored figures from FM to B/W?
To: 
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255"

HI Everyone, 
Does anyone have a clue why the following happens?

I have an FM file with a colored PDF figure (imported by Ref). (Don't
ask why I have the PDF figures and not tif or something more suitable,
currrently, that's what the client has).
The FM file looks fine. 
Then, after I PDF the FM file (with the PDF figure/s) in it, my PDF
figures come out in black and white, but not colored. The rest of the
PDF is fine, including the other fig's (tif or eps or other).
I'm running FM 6 on Window 2000, acrobat 6 and/or 7 were used to create
the PDF with the same job options on all apps.

Any clues?
Thanks, 
Orly.

Orly Zimmerman
Technical Writer
Tadiran Telecom LTD
orly.zimerman at tadirantele.com
+972-3-926-2023

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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:11:09 +0200
From: Shlomo Perets 
Subject: Re: Freeze Frame when selecting Object Properties
To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20051122150442.00f48910 at mail.netvision.net.il>
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Bodvar,

You wrote:

>I have from time to time had a problem similar to this, although
>rather worse, i.e. FM (7.0p578) crashed when selecting a graphic on a
>ref page. I have not yet found out the reason for it, but in this case
>it helped changing from structured to unstructured.
>
>You might find the information you are looking for by saving as mif
>and searching through the mif file in a text editor. You should be
>able to find most, if not all, of the information you need in there.

With respect to anchored frame properties on a reference page, this is a

known problem described at
http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/322417.html
This item is placed under FM5.5 (Windows and Unix) in my list of
FrameMaker 
Bugs & Issues, http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html  -- recently
renamed 
to "FrameMaker Annoyances: Bugs & Issues" ;-)

Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants
Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF & Technical Indexing
seminars





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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:13:06 +0100
From: "Wim Hooghwinkel" 
Subject: EDD to XSLT and XSL:FO
To: "Framers 

ANN: InsetPlus 1.0 plugin release

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updated EDD template

[Lynne A. Price]

At 04:31 AM 11/22/2005, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
>Thanks, Lynne, you're a darling.

Ahhh.


>Your EDD template is really great! One of the best things you have
>done here for my needs is adding the CommentElement and
>CommentFormatChangeList elements, but I am making use of most of your
>changes.

Thanks for the feedback, and let me know if you have ideas for other 
enhancements.

 --Lynne



Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284 

Mouse scrolling in FrameMaker again! FreeWheel problem

[Stuart Rogers]

Caroline Tabach wrote:
> I am working in XP with Frame 6.
> I have downloaded and successfully used the FreeWheel  application to
> get my mouse to scroll in FrameMaker.
> Suddenly my mouse has stopped scrolling.
> I tried to reinstall FreeWheel, but have found no solution.
> Has anyone else encountered this problem?
> What other solution can you suggest for working with a mouse in
> FrameMaker?

See the older logitech driver at:
http://www.front-runner.com/pages/support/files.html

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers at phoenix-geophysics dot com

Q: Did you hear the one about the statistician?
A: Probably...

Get Firefox!
http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5

FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?

[Aaron Gutfreund]

Does anyone know how well FrameMaker runs on Windows XP Pro x64 edition (the
Operating System)? Your feedback would be much appreciated. 

A a r o n

Censorship alive and well on frameusers

[Bill Swallow]

Wow.

I saw the list transition as transparent, save for a "moderated"
message once and only once. I asked Lisa about it privately and she
told me it was a one-time deal due to moving over to the new list
platform.

Sounded fair to me.

It seems the noise being generated around this topic is more
politically focused than anything else...

Can we move on now?

--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
42.8162,-73.7736
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?

[Wade Courtney]

I couldn't get the installer to run. :(

I even tried different compatability settings

Wade
On 11/22/05, Aaron Gutfreund  wrote:
> Does anyone know how well FrameMaker runs on Windows XP Pro x64 edition (the
> Operating System)? Your feedback would be much appreciated.
>
> A a r o n
>
>

--

Wade Courtney
San Francisco Bay Area
Yahoo: wcourtne
www.sabioinc.com

FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?

[Art Campbell]

I don't have a 64 system yet, but I've found that installing as
Administrator while
running in safe mode solves a number of problems on other systems...

If you haven't tried that yet, might be worth a couple minutes.


On 11/22/05, Wade Courtney  wrote:
> I couldn't get the installer to run. :(
>
> I even tried different compatability settings
>
> Wade
> On 11/22/05, Aaron Gutfreund  wrote:
> > Does anyone know how well FrameMaker runs on Windows XP Pro x64 edition (the
> > Operating System)? Your feedback would be much appreciated.
> >
> > A a r o n
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Wade Courtney
> San Francisco Bay Area
> Yahoo: wcourtne
> www.sabioinc.com
> ___
>
>
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gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
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 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Fwd: Problems with X-refs in tables

[James Mathias Brandal]

Sometime ago I sent this question. Please reply if you have seen  
similarities when doing Service documentation


>
>
> After updating Framemaker Adobe Acrobat and Framescript  to latest  
> versions we eventually experienced that in tables with X-refs the  
> first cell from left still has its X-ref function while the rest  
> have no X-refs function. This is also the case in text if we have  
> two X-refs with different destinations the first from  the left is  
> still a X-ref while the next has lost.
>
> Has anyone on Framers experienced this?
>
> Best regards
> James Mathias Brandal
>
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OT: Opening an old .WDB file

[Mary Sheahan]

If you have software that can open an old Microsoft
.WDB file (circa 2000), would you please contact me
off-list?  We no longer have the software on any of
our PCs, and there's some document history information
that we want to retain.  Even a text-dump would
suffice.

Thanks,
Mary




__ 
Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
http://farechase.yahoo.com

Bleed tabs - automation?

[Steve Rickaby]

Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring's excellent FrameMaker 7 'complete reference' 
book gives a method for setting up bleed tabs (thumbtabs) that requires manual 
deletion of unnecessary tabs (i.e. all but the current chapter) in production 
edit. Within structured FrameMaker, is there a way of automating this? 

What is needed is a means of rendering objects visible/invisible depending on 
their chapter number. Perhaps some way of making conditional tags sensitive to 
their context in the book...?

Another approach I've tried is to include a rotated B flow flush to the page 
edge and insert the bleed tabs as conditionalised anchored frames. This allows 
tabs to be turned on and off with conditions,  but I don't like these objects 
being on body pages, and it doesn't get round the issue of making them 
sensitive to chapter number.

Failing that, I guess it could be done using the feature for mapping master 
pages to paragraphs, but I cannot see it working out very elegantly, as one 
would have to hack some sort of 'hidden' mapping between chapter number and 
paragraph tags.

Any ideas, anyone?
-- 
Steve

Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item

[Stacie Knas]

Dear Framers:

Frame 7.1, Windows XP Pro

I am tweaking my first EDD (using the Structured Application
Developer's Guide) to get the levels and spacing right with list items
(LI) in ordered lists (OL) and unordered lists (UL) and various nested
combinations thereof, including depending on whether the list is
compact or non-compact.  I am very pleased with what I have figured
out so far, it's working well, except for one thing:  If I have an OL
nested in a LI in an OL, the LI that follows the nested OL picks up
that OL's numbering, thus:

6.  Item a
7.  Item b

 a.  item A
 b.  item B
 c.  item C

4.  Item c
5.  ?

It doesn't happen with unordered lists.  My level rules seem fine, and
they work if they are not interrupted by a nested OL.  I don't know
where else to look; can you point me to places I could investigate? 
Thanks so much.  This list is invaluable.  Sorry I can't provide
answers yet, but I'm learning a lot.

--Stacie
foolofgrace at gmail.com

More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid

[Harvey Greenberg]

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FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?

[Hales-Crotchett, Nicole]

I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the
list is by no means complete.  

~Nicole

More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid

[Lisa Bronson]

Hi Harvey,

This is a setting, and can be changed. (What you're receiving now is
the MIME version of the digest.)

1. Log in to your account at
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to assist you.

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On 11/22/05, Harvey Greenberg  wrote:
>
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> friendly.
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to Framers as lisa.infocus at gmail.com.
>
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>
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> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
>
>
>

FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?

[Art Campbell]

And, by happenstance, Adobe just released their FM tech notes document
for the month today. One of the documents is "Troubleshooting
Installation Problems." No mention of 64 being a special case.

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/331828.html

On 11/22/05, Hales-Crotchett, Nicole  wrote:
> I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the
> list is by no means complete.
>
> ~Nicole

--
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item

[Stacie Knas]

Thank you for your kind replies.  As I said, this is my first EDD and
there's a lot I don't know so please bear with me.  I set up the
numbering in the EDD (I want to minimize the available elements, and
instead have the properties governed by where they appear):

If level is 1:
...
If context is: {first}
   Numbering properties
  Autonumber format: 

Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item

[Lester C. Smalley]

You can include the number or letter followed by a colon, you simply
type the desired text into the EDD as content of the "Autonumber Format"
element.

However, I believe that you really want instead of designating these
items as different numbering series (which is what the A: or N: do) you
should include an EmptyCounter building block (will display as < > )
before your existing counter.  One empty counter should be used for each
level of nesting, so a second-level list (first nested list)  has one, a
third level list has two, etc.

For example:

If level is 1:
...
  If context is: {first}
Numbering properties
   Autonumber format: 

Framers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8

[wwijngaard]

Your recent message to the account of Wi-jo van de Wijngaard (wwijngaard at 
techno-design.com)  is delivered.

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regarding any urgent issues.

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Thank you.

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Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item

[Stacie Knas]

This is great!  I never noticed that "Empty Counter" entry before.  I
followed your procedure, Lester, and it's perfecto!  Thank you so
much.  What a great list.  Thank you all.
--Stacie

On 11/22/05, Lester C. Smalley  wrote:
> You can include the number or letter followed by a colon, you simply
> type the desired text into the EDD as content of the "Autonumber Format"
> element.
>
> However, I believe that you really want instead of designating these
> items as different numbering series (which is what the A: or N: do) you
> should include an EmptyCounter building block (will display as < > )
> before your existing counter.  One empty counter should be used for each
> level of nesting, so a second-level list (first nested list)  has one, a
> third level list has two, etc.
>
> For example:
>
> If level is 1:
>...
>  If context is: {first}
>Numbering properties
>   Autonumber format: 

Christening the new listserv

[Wade Courtney]

I honor of the new listserv, I thing we should had a "frame is dead,
long live frame party", and a pity party for the mac users.

HAHAHAHA

It's a joke son, dontcha get it.


W

--

Wade Courtney
San Francisco Bay Area
Yahoo: wcourtne
www.sabioinc.com

Framers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8

[Lightle, Ed (OH)]

flow flush to the page
edge and insert the bleed tabs as conditionalised anchored frames. This
allows tabs to be turned on and off with conditions,  but I don't like these
objects being on body pages, and it doesn't get round the issue of making
them sensitive to chapter number.

Failing that, I guess it could be done using the feature for mapping master
pages to paragraphs, but I cannot see it working out very elegantly, as one
would have to hack some sort of 'hidden' mapping between chapter number and
paragraph tags.

Any ideas, anyone?
-- 
Steve


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:26:47 -0500
From: Stacie Knas <foolofgr...@gmail.com>
Subject: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252

Dear Framers:

Frame 7.1, Windows XP Pro

I am tweaking my first EDD (using the Structured Application
Developer's Guide) to get the levels and spacing right with list items
(LI) in ordered lists (OL) and unordered lists (UL) and various nested
combinations thereof, including depending on whether the list is
compact or non-compact.  I am very pleased with what I have figured
out so far, it's working well, except for one thing:  If I have an OL
nested in a LI in an OL, the LI that follows the nested OL picks up
that OL's numbering, thus:

6.  Item a
7.  Item b

 a.  item A
 b.  item B
 c.  item C

4.  Item c
5.  ...

It doesn't happen with unordered lists.  My level rules seem fine, and
they work if they are not interrupted by a nested OL.  I don't know
where else to look; can you point me to places I could investigate? 
Thanks so much.  This list is invaluable.  Sorry I can't provide
answers yet, but I'm learning a lot.

--Stacie
foolofgrace at gmail.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:14:40 -0500
From: "Harvey Greenberg" <har...@xyenterprise.com>
Subject: More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid
To: 
Message-ID: <001001c5ef99$00442d70$2f01a8c0 at grassypond>
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:00:32 -0800
From: "Hales-Crotchett, Nicole" <nicole.hales-crotch...@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the
list is by no means complete.  

~Nicole







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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:48:43 -0600
From: Lisa Bronson <lisa.info...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid
To: Harvey Greenberg 
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
<545f9e610511221148q3dffb5a3m4f59d09b2b7a8868 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi Harvey,

This is a setting, and can be changed. (What you're receiving now is
the MIME version of the digest.)

1. Log in to your account at
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3. Save your changes.


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On 11/22/05, Harvey Greenberg  wrote:
>
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> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to Framers as lisa.infocus at gmail.com.
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:58:52 -0500
From: Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?
To: "Hales-Crotchett, Nicole" 
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

And, by happenstance, Adobe just released their FM tech notes document
for the month today. One of the documents is "Troubleshooting
Installation Problems." No mention of 64 being a special case.

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/331828.html

On 11/22/05, Hales-Crotchett, Nicole 
wrote:
> I k

Framers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8

[Martha J Davidson]

At 01:47 PM 11/22/2005, Lightle, Ed (OH) wrote:
>My questions is this: Is there a way to globally update markers in a 
>FrameMaker document?  I use FM 6.0.

Welcome to framers. This is a good place for questions. To make it easier, 
though, next time, delete all of the messages from the digest except for 
the one you're replying to.

As for your question, I'm not exactly sure what you want to do. What kind 
of updating do you want to do on the markers? If you can be more specific, 
I'm sure we can help you.

martha
--
Martha Jane {Kolman | Davidson}
Dances With Words
editrix at nemasys.com

"Too many words bring about exhaustion."
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Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

Hi all...

A quick question before I chew up a day experimenting.

Is there any raster format (PNG TIFF, TGA, whatever) that preserves its
transparency when imported into FM?

I want to vignette a number of screen captures so that I only show the
area of discussion, but I don't want a hard crop, as that does not show
that the area in question is part of a larger object. I seem to remember
doing this via PS/EPS many years ago, but as I recall, that was a real
pain, and not terribly efficient.  What I plan on creating is four "fade
to white" effect areas (Left, Top, Right, Bottom) that I can then
overlay on the base image.


Any input/suggestions gratefuly accepted.


Grant
(Watching "Mick and the lads" set up next door for tonight's $$$
gig.)

More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid

[phoenix]

Geez. Why don't you tell the listadmin instead of the whole list?

~Tarage

Harvey Greenberg wrote:
>The digest distributes all posts as e-mail attachments. Very unuser
>friendly.
>
>
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Graphics question

[Carolyn Stallard]

Grant, on Windows you can use SnagIt to crop with a fade: on 
one, two, three, or all four sides.  Other edge effects 
available, also.  (No connection with TechSmith, just a 
satisfied customer.)

--C

Grant Hogarth wrote on 11/22/2005 3:01 PM:
  . . .
> I want to vignette a number of screen captures so that I only show the
> area of discussion, but I don't want a hard crop, as that does not show
> that the area in question is part of a larger object.

Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

Ah well... *sigh*
Yes, I can do it in Snagit.  
I can also do it in Photoshop -- I was just trying to save some
time/brain strain.

Thanks!
Grant

===

Carolyn Stallard said:

Grant, on Windows you can use SnagIt to crop with a fade: on 
one, two, three, or all four sides.  Other edge effects 
available, also.  (No connection with TechSmith, just a 
satisfied customer.)

--C
AND 

Thomas Michanek, FrameMaker/UNIX/MIF expert said:

Nope. See http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/317850.html
(Which isn't entirely correct, since transparency in EPS files is
supported by FM. You have to remember to select the imported EPS image,
and set the Fill to None. The transparency will not show up on-screen,
but will show correctly in PostScript printouts and generated PDFs.)


Grant Hogarth wrote on 11/22/2005 3:01 PM:
  . . .
> I want to vignette a number of screen captures so that I only show the

> area of discussion, but I don't want a hard crop, as that does not 
> show that the area in question is part of a larger object.

Bleed tabs - automation?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:55:41 +, Steve Rickaby 
 wrote:

>Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring's excellent FrameMaker 7 
>'complete reference' book gives a method for setting up 
>bleed tabs (thumbtabs) that requires manual deletion of 
>unnecessary tabs (i.e. all but the current chapter) in 
>production edit. Within structured FrameMaker, is there 
>a way of automating this? 

Sounds to me like a FrameScript (or plugin) job.  I'm
sure Rick Quatro  could cook
one up in minutes... either way.  He does good work at
very reasonable prices.  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Graphics question

[Peter Gold]

Grant:

If you need to do the same operation to the same 
degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
files. You could write the originals to a 
safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
keeping the processed copies in the original 
location.

Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too?

At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, Grant Hogarth wrote:
>Ah well... *sigh*
>Yes, I can do it in Snagit.?
>I can also do it in Photoshop -- I was just trying to save some
>time/brain strain.
>
-- 
Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
peter at knowhowpro.com