Re: Hidden frame

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:34 -0600 5/2/07, Doug wrote:

Yes, for some reason my Right master page lost it's A name/was renamed
to HIDDEN.  And everytime I imported a new text inset it reapplied the
HIDDEN text frame name of all instances of the Right body page.
Bummer.  I fixed it by renaming the master page and then deleting the
HIDDEN body text frames.  Pain.

For real pain, you should have seen a document I was handed once. 600+ pages 
laid out left/right in which no frames connected, so that each page was set and 
balanced by hand. And with a further set of empty disconnected frames overlaid 
on each right page, making its contents unselectable (like yours).

It's author has seriously not 'got' the idea behind master pages. It left me 
wondering how much of the 'FrameMaker is antiquated' arguments stem from this 
sort of level of misunderstanding about how an application works.

-- 
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Re: Hidden frame

2007-02-06 Thread Whites
It might be humorous - and informative at the same time - if some  
Framer were to make a compilation of such horror stories. Being made  
aware of bad practices can be helpful - even to those of us who are  
(we hope) less incompetent.


My favorites were a pair of manuals I inherited from a colleague who  
complained incessantly about the bugs in FrameMaker. She was  
maintaining two completely separate 100-page manuals, identical in  
every respect except for the fact that the file paths in one  
contained backslashes for Windows users and the other contained  
forward slashes for Unix. And just to make the two manuals more  
laborious to maintain, EVERY index entry sported a pair of directly  
adjacent markers - one for $startrange and the other for  
$endrange.  When this particular writer left the company after a  
downsizing, I inherited the books in her office. Not surprisingly,  
her FrameMaker manual had never been opened.


I think it is very common for software users to rise just to the  
level of competence where they can do their tasks and never progress  
beyond that level.


Will White
One Lambda Inc


On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:



Its author has seriously not 'got' the idea behind master pages. It  
left me wondering how much of the 'FrameMaker is antiquated'  
arguments stem from this sort of level of misunderstanding about  
how an application works.


--
Steve



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Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

2007-02-06 Thread Gordon McLean
Hi all,
 
Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to turn
off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??
 
The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like them. How
do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?
 
I've tried selecting all the files in the book and selecting the relevant
VIEW menu, but when I go back into the book and open a file, the boundaries
re-appear! 
 
Any suggestions?
 
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Setting an autogenerated TOC inserted by refence to condition paper

2007-02-06 Thread Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
 
Hi
 
I use unstructured Framemaker 7.2:
 
I know that you can define chapter TOCs by using XREFs in a table. This is 
however a bit tedious when your Heading/topics move around.
 
Right now I generate a standalone chapter TOC which I import by reference and 
set to condition tag Paper. It would be nice if I could avoid the last step 
of setting the TOC to paper and still keep the link by reference.
 
Have yóu any idea how (apart from the xref solution) I can make sure that I or 
translators do not forget to set the TOC to condition tag paper?
 
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RE: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

2007-02-06 Thread Gordon McLean
Yes Peter, and if I keep the files open I can generate a PDF without the
boundaries showing.

But if I hide the boundaries, close the file, and re-open it, the boundaries
re-appear after a brief (flicker) delay.

Same goes if I hide boundaries at the book level. Opening the file itself
causes the boundaries to re-appear.

I have the workaround of leaving the files open but:
A. This shouldn't be happening, should it?
B. I don't recall changing anything so why is this happening now?
C. This SHOULDN'T be happening!

G

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To: Gordon McLean
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Subject: Re: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

Hi, Gordon:

Have you tried opening all the files in the book, then applying View  Hide
Element Boundaries, before generating the PDF?

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Gordon McLean wrote:
 Hi all,
  
 Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to 
 turn off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??
  
 The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like 
 them. How do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?
  
 I've tried selecting all the files in the book and selecting the 
 relevant VIEW menu, but when I go back into the book and open a file, 
 the boundaries re-appear!
  
 Any suggestions?
  
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Global change of table row height settings: Solved

2007-02-06 Thread TEPLITZ Ronald
 I have a doc with a lot of tables. I want to change the row height min


 and max values of all tables rather than just one table at a time. 

 Does anyone have a technique or a utility to do this? 

Solved. I had to do this because I converted a large PDF with lots of
tables to a Word doc 

and then opened that in Frame. The conversion utility set Max row height
for some rows to a 

very small value. My workaround: 

Save as MIF. Open in Word (ack!). Search for RowMaxHeight * (be sure to
enable Use wildcards). 

Replace all with RowMaxHeight   10.0. Open MIF in Frame, apply table
cell para formats 

and table formats if you haven't already. 

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Re: Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-06 Thread Keith Arnett
This is a bit off-topic, but for what it is worth, I just finished my own
evaluation of OpenOffice.org Writer. While it has a number of
FrameMaker-like features, it is in no position to pose as serious
competition to FrameMaker - unless you:

 

-  Can't afford FrameMaker (OOo Writer is free)

-  Publish mostly to PDF (it has a very good PDF generator built in)

-  Are willing to design a whole new set of doc templates

-  Are prepared to contend with the usual gotchas inherent with
open-source software

 

It does save to the XML-based OpenDocument format (as well as a number of
other format, including Word), so if you can find some third-party tools to
work with that, you might be able to look at generating various help formats
(I never got that far).

 

It is very impressive in many ways, though, and I would encourage anyone
with interest to download it and play around with it. It really is
positioned to compete with MS Word more than FrameMaker. Some of the
features are pretty neat, and some are a bit wobbly. The Find and Replace is
totally geeky. The online help is commendable for an open-source product,
but still leaves a lot to be desired.

 

Here are some helpful links:

 

http://www.openoffice.org/ http://www.openoffice.org/ 

 

http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/software/page4765.cfm
http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/software/page4765.cfm 

 

http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/word_processing/writer1_EN.pdf
http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/word_processing/writer1_EN.pdf 

 

http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/office-suites/openoffice/1026626/
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/office-suites/openoffice/1026626/ 

 

http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/06/14/2137222.shtml?tid=152
http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/06/14/2137222.shtml?tid=152tid=9
3 tid=93

 

It is at version 2.1 presently, and in my opinion, still has enough rough
edges to say it's not ready for prime time. I would expect that when it hits
version 3 or 4, it should be a pretty interesting alternative. And who
knows, maybe by then the OpenDocument format will have gotten some
traction...

 

Regards,

 

Keith

 



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 Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out me), an 

 article from the January STC Magazine Intercom called Old Software. 

 They underlined a paragraph which says, also absent from this 

 discussion is Adobe Framemaker, which is starting to show its age and 

 lack of recent development. Fans may want to consider using OpenOffice.org
Writer.

 

 Now that's not true, is it? I am always arguing with my officemates 

 that Framemaker is the best software for what we do, which are 700+ 

 page manuals, with multiple updates and constant repagination. I know 

 nothing about OpenOffice.org Writer. Does anyone else? I have no 

 desire to replace, I'm getting ready to learn Structured, but I need 

 some knowlegable words from my fellow listmates.

 

 Thank very much in advance!

 

 Becky Frasure

 

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Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Neil Tubb
Hi all,

 

Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?

 

Cheers,
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Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Neil,

What advantage do you get by putting the code in a table? Are you putting a 
background color or shading behind the code? Thanks.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi all,

Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?

Cheers,
Neil
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Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

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RE: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Neil Tubb
Yes- shade the background and have a border around it. Actually usually
just the border. I want it to stand out...it is pretty standard in
sample configurations for those of us in the networking world.

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To: Neil Tubb; framers@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

Hi Neil,

What advantage do you get by putting the code in a table? Are you
putting a 
background color or shading behind the code? Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi all,

Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?

Cheers,
Neil
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Senior Technical Writer
Solace Systems, Inc.
535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor
Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

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Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:29 -0500 6/2/07, Neil Tubb wrote:

Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?

Text insets. Anything else is hopeless across page boundaries.

At 11:32 -0500 6/2/07, Rick Quatro wrote:

What advantage do you get by putting the code in a table? Are you putting a 
background color or shading behind the code? Thanks.

We had a design that used a ruled border around code samples. The only way I 
could find to do this in FrameMaker was with a one-celled custom table. 
Although it looked quite nice, we gave up in the end because of the page 
boundary issue.

-- 
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Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread David Taylor
I used to put code in graphic frames.  Since moving to HTML delivery, 
however, they are in the text flow with a custom paragraph format.


At 11:29 AM 2/6/2007, Neil Tubb wrote:

Hi all,
Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples.



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Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Art Campbell

I use a one-column table with each line of code in its own cell, so it
breaks cleanly.
Easy to import too.

Art

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Hi all,



Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?


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Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 16:42 + 6/2/07, Steve Rickaby wrote:

Text insets. Anything else is hopeless across page boundaries.

I should point out that it's normally a requirement here for the code to be 
updatable outside of FrameMaker, hence text insets. Art's method therefore 
would not work here.

-- 
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RE: Hidden frame

2007-02-06 Thread Gillian Flato

I think it is very common for software users to rise just to the  
level of competence where they can do their tasks and never progress  
beyond that level. 

Isn't that a derivative of the Peter principle?

-Gillian


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Subject: Re: Hidden frame

It might be humorous - and informative at the same time - if some  
Framer were to make a compilation of such horror stories. Being made  
aware of bad practices can be helpful - even to those of us who are  
(we hope) less incompetent.

My favorites were a pair of manuals I inherited from a colleague who  
complained incessantly about the bugs in FrameMaker. She was  
maintaining two completely separate 100-page manuals, identical in  
every respect except for the fact that the file paths in one  
contained backslashes for Windows users and the other contained  
forward slashes for Unix. And just to make the two manuals more  
laborious to maintain, EVERY index entry sported a pair of directly  
adjacent markers - one for $startrange and the other for  
$endrange.  When this particular writer left the company after a  
downsizing, I inherited the books in her office. Not surprisingly,  
her FrameMaker manual had never been opened.

I think it is very common for software users to rise just to the  
level of competence where they can do their tasks and never progress  
beyond that level.

Will White
One Lambda Inc


On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:


 Its author has seriously not 'got' the idea behind master pages. It  
 left me wondering how much of the 'FrameMaker is antiquated'  
 arguments stem from this sort of level of misunderstanding about  
 how an application works.

 -- 
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Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Neil,

Here is another way to do it:

http://www.frameexpert.com/Demos/ShadeParagraphs.htm

The script adds a shaded, ruled rectangle behind the code paragraphs. This 
avoids the inconvience of adding code in tables or frames. This is only 
practical because the script is doing the work.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Yes- shade the background and have a border around it. Actually usually
just the border. I want it to stand out...it is pretty standard in
sample configurations for those of us in the networking world.


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Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain

Hi, David, et. al.

David Taylor wrote:

they are in the text flow with a custom paragraph format.


This is how I do it. In a fixed-width font (Courier) for the text
to line up.

I use two paragraph formats ... one for the lines of the code and
one for the last line (for the extra space to the next paragraph).

Sidebar: here is where conditional paragraph spacing control would
be awesome! If the spacing could be set like if the next paragraph
format is CODE, then use a spacing of 0, else use a spacing of 10.

Z


At 11:29 AM 2/6/2007, Neil Tubb wrote:

Hi all,
Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples.

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Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Quatro
This kind of conditional formatting is one of the big benefits of structured 
FrameMaker.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Sidebar: here is where conditional paragraph spacing control would
be awesome! If the spacing could be set like if the next paragraph
format is CODE, then use a spacing of 0, else use a spacing of 10.

Z


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RE: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Combs, Richard
Art Campbell wrote: 

 I use a one-column table with each line of code in its own 
 cell, so it breaks cleanly.
 Easy to import too. 

Steve Rickaby wrote: 
 
 I should point out that it's normally a requirement here for 
 the code to be updatable outside of FrameMaker, hence text 
 insets. Art's method therefore would not work here.

Actually, you can use Art's method with text insets. Briefly: 

1) Create a CodeBlock table format with one column that's the width you
want. Set up the ruling/shading, etc. Remember that each pgf (line of
code) will become a cell, so set up cell margins to give you the
interline spacing desired. 

2) Select File  Import  File, choose the text file containing the
code, and import by reference. 

3) In the Import Text File by Reference dialog, select Convert to Table.


4) In the Convert to Table dialog, select your CodeBlock format. Under
Treat Each Paragraph As, select A Cell, leave Number of Columns set to 1
and Heading Rows set to 0. 

Your text inset becomes a one-column table that can span pages because
each line of code is a cell (you can use the table's Orphan Rows setting
to exercise some control over the pagination). 

There's one gotcha: I can't find any way to *select* the table or its
rows or column. Find doesn't find that table. Clicking it or trying to
select the anchor always selects the text inset instead. With the text
inset selected, you can change the aspects controlled through the Table
Designer, but you can't control column width, create straddles, or apply
Keep With settings to selected rows. 

Straddles shouldn't be an issue, and if you need various widths, more
table formats solve the problem. But it would be nice to have the Keep
With row settings for more control over pagination. 

Still, it's a good way to address code blocks if you want shading, or
you want code blocks of various widths (line lengths) without defining
multiple code pgfs. 

YMMV. HTH!

Richard


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RE: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:27 -0700 6/2/07, Combs, Richard wrote:

Actually, you can use Art's method with text insets. Briefly:

Wow. This looks stupendously clever. I will experiment with it, and if my head 
does not explode, try it out on the next application of code insets.

(I also need something simple enough for 'ordinary' FrameMaker users to sue 
without hassle, which this might not be.)

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RE: Using variables for single sourcing

2007-02-06 Thread David Shaked \(Wernick\)
Linda G. Gallaher wrote:

 I use a plug-in, Index Tools Professional
 (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html) to let me use
 variables in the index entries. It's US$20, I believe.

Scott Prentice wrote:

 We do have a plugin, MarkerTools, that lets you use variables within
markers ..
 http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/markertools.php


Thanks very much for this information. These plug-ins look like good
solutions.

Aside from the variables, do the plug-ins create standard index entries? If
I use the plug-in, and then I share the document with another FM user who
doesn't have the plug-in, will the index entries continue to work? Will the
variables in the index entries continue to work?

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Hidden frame

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:34 -0600 5/2/07, Doug wrote:

>Yes, for some reason my Right master page lost it's A name/was renamed
>to HIDDEN.  And everytime I imported a new text inset it reapplied the
>HIDDEN text frame name of all instances of the Right body page.
>Bummer.  I fixed it by renaming the master page and then deleting the
>HIDDEN body text frames.  Pain.

For real pain, you should have seen a document I was handed once. 600+ pages 
laid out left/right in which no frames connected, so that each page was set and 
balanced by hand. And with a further set of empty disconnected frames overlaid 
on each right page, making its contents unselectable (like yours).

It's author has seriously not 'got' the idea behind master pages. It left me 
wondering how much of the 'FrameMaker is antiquated' arguments stem from this 
sort of level of misunderstanding about how an application works.

-- 
Steve



Hidden frame

2007-02-06 Thread Whites
It might be humorous - and informative at the same time - if some  
Framer were to make a compilation of such horror stories. Being made  
aware of bad practices can be helpful - even to those of us who are  
(we hope) less incompetent.

My favorites were a pair of manuals I inherited from a colleague who  
complained incessantly about the "bugs" in FrameMaker. She was  
maintaining two completely separate 100-page manuals, identical in  
every respect except for the fact that the file paths in one  
contained backslashes for Windows users and the other contained  
forward slashes for Unix. And just to make the two manuals more  
laborious to maintain, EVERY index entry sported a pair of directly  
adjacent markers - one for <$startrange> and the other for < 
$endrange>.  When this particular writer left the company after a  
downsizing, I inherited the books in her office. Not surprisingly,  
her FrameMaker manual had never been opened.

I think it is very common for software users to rise just to the  
level of competence where they can do their tasks and never progress  
beyond that level.

Will White
One Lambda Inc


On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

>
> Its author has seriously not 'got' the idea behind master pages. It  
> left me wondering how much of the 'FrameMaker is antiquated'  
> arguments stem from this sort of level of misunderstanding about  
> how an application works.
>
> -- 
> Steve





Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

2007-02-06 Thread Gordon McLean
Hi all,

Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to turn
off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??

The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like them. How
do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?

I've tried selecting all the files in the book and selecting the relevant
VIEW menu, but when I go back into the book and open a file, the boundaries
re-appear! 

Any suggestions?

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Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

2007-02-06 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Gordon:

Have you tried opening all the files in the book, then applying View > 
Hide Element Boundaries, before generating the PDF?

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
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Gordon McLean wrote:
> Hi all,
>  
> Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to turn
> off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??
>  
> The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like them. How
> do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?
>  
> I've tried selecting all the files in the book and selecting the relevant
> VIEW menu, but when I go back into the book and open a file, the boundaries
> re-appear! 
>  
> Any suggestions?
>  
> Gordon
>   




Setting an autogenerated TOC inserted by refence to condition "paper"

2007-02-06 Thread Andersen, Verner Engell VEA

Hi

I use unstructured Framemaker 7.2:

I know that you can define chapter TOCs by using XREFs in a table. This is 
however a bit tedious when your Heading/topics move around.

Right now I generate a standalone chapter TOC which I import by reference and 
set to condition tag "Paper". It would be nice if I could avoid the last step 
of setting the TOC to paper and still keep the link by reference.

Have y?u any idea how (apart from the xref solution) I can make sure that I or 
translators do not forget to set the TOC to condition tag paper?

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Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

2007-02-06 Thread Gordon McLean
Yes Peter, and if I keep the files open I can generate a PDF without the
boundaries showing.

But if I hide the boundaries, close the file, and re-open it, the boundaries
re-appear after a brief (flicker) delay.

Same goes if I hide boundaries at the book level. Opening the file itself
causes the boundaries to re-appear.

I have the workaround of leaving the files open but:
A. This shouldn't be happening, should it?
B. I don't recall changing anything so why is this happening now?
C. This SHOULDN'T be happening!

G

-Original Message-
From: Peter Gold [mailto:pe...@knowhowpro.com] 
Sent: 06 February 2007 15:24
To: Gordon McLean
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

Hi, Gordon:

Have you tried opening all the files in the book, then applying View > Hide
Element Boundaries, before generating the PDF?

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Gordon McLean wrote:
> Hi all,
>  
> Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to 
> turn off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??
>  
> The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like 
> them. How do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?
>  
> I've tried selecting all the files in the book and selecting the 
> relevant VIEW menu, but when I go back into the book and open a file, 
> the boundaries re-appear!
>  
> Any suggestions?
>  
> Gordon
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Global change of table row height settings: Solved

2007-02-06 Thread TEPLITZ Ronald
> I have a doc with a lot of tables. I want to change the row height min


> and max values of all tables rather than just one table at a time. 

> Does anyone have a technique or a utility to do this? 

Solved. I had to do this because I converted a large PDF with lots of
tables to a Word doc 

and then opened that in Frame. The conversion utility set Max row height
for some rows to a 

very small value. My workaround: 

Save as MIF. Open in Word (ack!). Search for RowMaxHeight *" (be sure to
enable Use wildcards). 

Replace all with RowMaxHeight   10.0". Open MIF in Frame, apply table
cell para formats 

and table formats if you haven't already. 

Ron




Replacing Framemaker

2007-02-06 Thread Keith Arnett
This is a bit off-topic, but for what it is worth, I just finished my own
evaluation of OpenOffice.org Writer. While it has a number of
FrameMaker-like features, it is in no position to pose as serious
competition to FrameMaker - unless you:



-  Can't afford FrameMaker (OOo Writer is free)

-  Publish mostly to PDF (it has a very good PDF generator built in)

-  Are willing to design a whole new set of doc templates

-  Are prepared to contend with the usual "gotchas" inherent with
open-source software



It does save to the XML-based OpenDocument format (as well as a number of
other format, including Word), so if you can find some third-party tools to
work with that, you might be able to look at generating various help formats
(I never got that far).



It is very impressive in many ways, though, and I would encourage anyone
with interest to download it and play around with it. It really is
positioned to compete with MS Word more than FrameMaker. Some of the
features are pretty neat, and some are a bit wobbly. The Find and Replace is
totally geeky. The online help is commendable for an open-source product,
but still leaves a lot to be desired.



Here are some helpful links:



http://www.openoffice.org/  



http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/software/page4765.cfm
 



http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/word_processing/writer1_EN.pdf
 



http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/office-suites/openoffice/1026626/
 



http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/06/14/2137222.shtml?tid=152
 =93



It is at version 2.1 presently, and in my opinion, still has enough rough
edges to say it's not ready for prime time. I would expect that when it hits
version 3 or 4, it should be a pretty interesting alternative. And who
knows, maybe by then the OpenDocument format will have gotten some
traction...



Regards,



Keith





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webMethods, Inc.\ Fairfax VA

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> Someone left on my desk (presumably to irritate the heck out me), an 

> article from the January STC Magazine Intercom called "Old Software." 

> They underlined a paragraph which says, "also absent from this 

> discussion is Adobe Framemaker, which is starting to show its age and 

> lack of recent development. Fans may want to consider using OpenOffice.org
Writer."

> 

> Now that's not true, is it? I am always arguing with my officemates 

> that Framemaker is the best software for what we do, which are 700+ 

> page manuals, with multiple updates and constant repagination. I know 

> nothing about OpenOffice.org Writer. Does anyone else? I have no 

> desire to replace, I'm getting ready to learn Structured, but I need 

> some knowlegable words from my fellow listmates.

> 

> Thank very much in advance!

> 

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Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Neil Tubb
Hi all,



Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?



Cheers,
Neil



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Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066

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Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Neil,

What advantage do you get by putting the code in a table? Are you putting a 
background color or shading behind the code? Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi all,

Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?

Cheers,
Neil
__

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Senior Technical Writer
Solace Systems, Inc.
535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor
Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066
Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com 
Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com




Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Neil Tubb
Yes- shade the background and have a border around it. Actually usually
just the border. I want it to stand out...it is pretty standard in
sample configurations for those of us in the networking world.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexp...@truevine.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:32 AM
To: Neil Tubb; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

Hi Neil,

What advantage do you get by putting the code in a table? Are you
putting a 
background color or shading behind the code? Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi all,

Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?

Cheers,
Neil
__

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Senior Technical Writer
Solace Systems, Inc.
535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor
Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066
Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com 
Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com




Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:29 -0500 6/2/07, Neil Tubb wrote:

>Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
>put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
>sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
>frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
>HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?

Text insets. Anything else is hopeless across page boundaries.

At 11:32 -0500 6/2/07, Rick Quatro wrote:

>What advantage do you get by putting the code in a table? Are you putting a 
>background color or shading behind the code? Thanks.

We had a design that used a ruled border around code samples. The only way I 
could find to do this in FrameMaker was with a one-celled custom table. 
Although it looked quite nice, we gave up in the end because of the page 
boundary issue.

-- 
Steve



Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread David Taylor
I used to put code in graphic frames.  Since moving to HTML delivery, 
however, they are in the text flow with a custom paragraph format.

At 11:29 AM 2/6/2007, Neil Tubb wrote:
>Hi all,
>Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples.


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Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

2007-02-06 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Gordon:

It sounds as if you're not saving the files in the state you want them 
to open in. The display of element boundaries and tags, as well as text 
symbols, and borders, and zoom percentage, are all saved with files. A 
quick way to manipulate multiple files is to use Shift+File. When used 
from a book window, the Open All, Save All, Close All, actions only work 
on book files; when used from a non-book window, the Save All and Close 
all work on all open files, book members or free-standing.


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Gordon McLean wrote:
> Yes Peter, and if I keep the files open I can generate a PDF without the
> boundaries showing.
>
> But if I hide the boundaries, close the file, and re-open it, the boundaries
> re-appear after a brief (flicker) delay.
>
> Same goes if I hide boundaries at the book level. Opening the file itself
> causes the boundaries to re-appear.
>
> I have the workaround of leaving the files open but:
> A. This shouldn't be happening, should it?
> B. I don't recall changing anything so why is this happening now?
> C. This SHOULDN'T be happening!
>
> G
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com] 
> Sent: 06 February 2007 15:24
> To: Gordon McLean
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?
>
> Hi, Gordon:
>
> Have you tried opening all the files in the book, then applying View > Hide
> Element Boundaries, before generating the PDF?
>
> HTH
> 
> Regards,
>
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
>
> Gordon McLean wrote:
>   
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to 
>> turn off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??
>>  
>> The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like 
>> them. How do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?
>>  
>> I've tried selecting all the files in the book and selecting the 
>> relevant VIEW menu, but when I go back into the book and open a file, 
>> the boundaries re-appear!
>>  
>> Any suggestions?
>>  
>> Gordon
>>   
>> 




Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Art Campbell
I use a one-column table with each line of code in its own cell, so it
breaks cleanly.
Easy to import too.

Art

On 2/6/07, Neil Tubb  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
> put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
> sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
> frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
> HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?
>
-- 
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gmail.com
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 16:42 + 6/2/07, Steve Rickaby wrote:

>Text insets. Anything else is hopeless across page boundaries.

I should point out that it's normally a requirement here for the code to be 
updatable outside of FrameMaker, hence text insets. Art's method therefore 
would not work here.

-- 
Steve



Hidden frame

2007-02-06 Thread Gillian Flato

>>I think it is very common for software users to rise just to the  
level of competence where they can do their tasks and never progress  
beyond that level. 

Isn't that a derivative of the Peter principle?

-Gillian


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Whites
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:19 AM
To: Steve Rickaby
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Hidden frame

It might be humorous - and informative at the same time - if some  
Framer were to make a compilation of such horror stories. Being made  
aware of bad practices can be helpful - even to those of us who are  
(we hope) less incompetent.

My favorites were a pair of manuals I inherited from a colleague who  
complained incessantly about the "bugs" in FrameMaker. She was  
maintaining two completely separate 100-page manuals, identical in  
every respect except for the fact that the file paths in one  
contained backslashes for Windows users and the other contained  
forward slashes for Unix. And just to make the two manuals more  
laborious to maintain, EVERY index entry sported a pair of directly  
adjacent markers - one for <$startrange> and the other for < 
$endrange>.  When this particular writer left the company after a  
downsizing, I inherited the books in her office. Not surprisingly,  
her FrameMaker manual had never been opened.

I think it is very common for software users to rise just to the  
level of competence where they can do their tasks and never progress  
beyond that level.

Will White
One Lambda Inc


On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

>
> Its author has seriously not 'got' the idea behind master pages. It  
> left me wondering how much of the 'FrameMaker is antiquated'  
> arguments stem from this sort of level of misunderstanding about  
> how an application works.
>
> -- 
> Steve


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Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Neil,

Here is another way to do it:

http://www.frameexpert.com/Demos/ShadeParagraphs.htm

The script adds a shaded, ruled rectangle behind the code paragraphs. This 
avoids the inconvience of adding code in tables or frames. This is only 
practical because the script is doing the work.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Yes- shade the background and have a border around it. Actually usually
just the border. I want it to stand out...it is pretty standard in
sample configurations for those of us in the networking world.





Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Hi, David, et. al.

David Taylor wrote:
> they are in the text flow with a custom paragraph format.

This is how I do it. In a fixed-width font (Courier) for the text
to line up.

I use two paragraph formats ... one for the lines of the "code" and
one for the last line (for the extra space to the next paragraph).

Sidebar: here is where conditional paragraph spacing control would
be awesome! If the spacing could be set like "if the next paragraph
format is CODE, then use a spacing of 0, else use a spacing of 10".

Z

> At 11:29 AM 2/6/2007, Neil Tubb wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples.



Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Quatro
This kind of conditional formatting is one of the big benefits of structured 
FrameMaker.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

> Sidebar: here is where conditional paragraph spacing control would
> be awesome! If the spacing could be set like "if the next paragraph
> format is CODE, then use a spacing of 0, else use a spacing of 10".
>
> Z




Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Hi, Rick.

Rick Quatro wrote:
> This kind of conditional formatting is one of the big benefits of 
> structured FrameMaker.

Ah! I did not know I could do it there.

I have been putting off converting all my documents to structured
FrameMaker - since I am the only author on them, it has been easy
enough to control the process and be anal enough about the look and
feel. Time to bite the bullet and do that, I guess. :)

I think it is also finally time to get a copy of FrameScript and
start using it too. I just ordered your book to get this kicked off
- will get the FrameScript software after your book arrives.

Thanks, Rick!

Z

>> Sidebar: here is where conditional paragraph spacing control would
>> be awesome! If the spacing could be set like "if the next paragraph
>> format is CODE, then use a spacing of 0, else use a spacing of 10".



Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Combs, Richard
Art Campbell wrote: 

> I use a one-column table with each line of code in its own 
> cell, so it breaks cleanly.
> Easy to import too. 

Steve Rickaby wrote: 

> I should point out that it's normally a requirement here for 
> the code to be updatable outside of FrameMaker, hence text 
> insets. Art's method therefore would not work here.

Actually, you can use Art's method with text insets. Briefly: 

1) Create a CodeBlock table format with one column that's the width you
want. Set up the ruling/shading, etc. Remember that each pgf (line of
code) will become a cell, so set up cell margins to give you the
interline spacing desired. 

2) Select File > Import > File, choose the text file containing the
code, and import by reference. 

3) In the Import Text File by Reference dialog, select Convert to Table.


4) In the Convert to Table dialog, select your CodeBlock format. Under
Treat Each Paragraph As, select A Cell, leave Number of Columns set to 1
and Heading Rows set to 0. 

Your text inset becomes a one-column table that can span pages because
each line of code is a cell (you can use the table's Orphan Rows setting
to exercise some control over the pagination). 

There's one "gotcha": I can't find any way to *select* the table or its
rows or column. Find doesn't find that table. Clicking it or trying to
select the anchor always selects the text inset instead. With the text
inset selected, you can change the aspects controlled through the Table
Designer, but you can't control column width, create straddles, or apply
Keep With settings to selected rows. 

Straddles shouldn't be an issue, and if you need various widths, more
table formats solve the problem. But it would be nice to have the Keep
With row settings for more control over pagination. 

Still, it's a good way to address code blocks if you want shading, or
you want code blocks of various widths (line lengths) without defining
multiple code pgfs. 

YMMV. HTH!

Richard


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Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:27 -0700 6/2/07, Combs, Richard wrote:

>Actually, you can use Art's method with text insets. Briefly:

Wow. This looks stupendously clever. I will experiment with it, and if my head 
does not explode, try it out on the next application of code insets.

(I also need something simple enough for 'ordinary' FrameMaker users to sue 
without hassle, which this might not be.)

-- 
Steve



Using variables for single sourcing

2007-02-06 Thread David Shaked (Wernick)
Linda G. Gallaher wrote:

> I use a plug-in, Index Tools Professional
> (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html) to let me use
> variables in the index entries. It's US$20, I believe.

Scott Prentice wrote:

> We do have a plugin, MarkerTools, that lets you use variables within
markers ..
> http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/markertools.php


Thanks very much for this information. These plug-ins look like good
solutions.

Aside from the variables, do the plug-ins create standard index entries? If
I use the plug-in, and then I share the document with another FM user who
doesn't have the plug-in, will the index entries continue to work? Will the
variables in the index entries continue to work?

David Shaked (Wernick)

AlmondWeb Ltd.
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