Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
At 07:11 +1200 13/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, retail channel? Not shops as such: my understanding is that they sell Adobe products and also training. I have dealt with two recently: Certitec and Phoenix Software. It was Adobe UK that referred me to the latter. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Adobe introduces subscription-based licensing. So many of its users find it an outstanding value that over time, most of them license software by subscription. Adobe is rewarded for being innovative and Adobe serves its customers better. Everybody wins. Adobe ends its relationship with resellers over time so that, eventually, all users license software directly from Adobe .. either subscription or download or disks (at an extra cost). This is also a success story for Adobe; it's rewarded because it's providing a better service for its customers and at the same time, it's doing better for its shareholders. That's how capitalism is supposed to work. Choice is the entire issue. Everyone who made the case for subscription has a great point. It's not what I choose but I have no reason to tell you subscription is bad for *you*. Choice ... it's what humans do all the time. Adobe has removed the choice from some percentage of its users and there's no reason for it. Maybe Adobe has gotten to the point where it no longer believes customers make Adobe successful. Maybe they think they're so big they don't have to think about customers anymore; we, Adobe, make YOU successful. I don't know; fact is, they're doing their customers a disservice by limiting our choice for how we license software from them. Subscriptions are great, just give me back what I want and I'm perfectly content. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nzwrote: Funny how people put words between the lines... On 12/05/13 12:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we were more rational and obedient, Adobe would be better off. I never said Adobe blames anyone for anything. I am saying that Adobe has shareholders and share values are important. Customers are important too, but they are important because they improve share value (more customers, better share values). However, customers are only valuable when they are encouraged to part with their money, so to have customers pay more frequently is better than when they don't. The problem with cusomters is that they cost money to do business with. The cost of customer management has a negative effect on share value. So, cut the cost of doing business and improve share value. The subscription model Adobe are rolling out does just that. Obedience has nothing to do with it. Don't make it a human factor. Humanity has nothing to do with this. This is economics. You're side of the mark about resellers. Adobe locks down pricing and availability of its software; you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever and you can't get more than a few dollars of discount from anybody. Having other people sell for you is generally a good thing. Ignoring the bit about buying old versions, as a former reseller, I can quite confidently tell you that you are wrong. Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the product. With the advance of Internet and peer support of products, Adobe had long since removed the reseller from the channel. The subscription model merely removes the last part of the retail chain. Sure, there remain some resellers but they are concerned with large customers who need specific licensing requirements. These are the ones that for Adobe to do itself, are uneconomic. But again, in the Adobe way of looking at things, what's good for the customer is bad because customers always do the wrong thing. Sorry, makes no sense. Customers (those that pay for stuff) always do the right thing when they are relieved of their money. Adobe is making this change in anticipation of other changes yet to be announced. Meh. It's just another way to do business. I have worked out that the subscription model will cost me about twice much to keep getting access to what I have now. It will disadvantage me in the future because I have to continue to pay for something I do not have to continue to pay for now. If you love the subscription model you'll love whatever else they have in mind for you. It's a good time to be an apologist. If I too were a fanboy, then maybe I too would be all smoochy about it. I have been in this business for too many years. I do not like it that this company (or any other) decide that I have not been paying enough for what I have been using and make it so that I pay more. I do not like it that I have to have the corporation in my head every month come subscription time. On the other hand, it is good time to be a user of LaTeX, et al. I am keen to see what Jeremy has to offer. Alan On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote: On 12/05/2013, at 6:36 AM, Steve Johnson wrote: Almost everyone
Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Old versions of FrameMaker do what FrameMaker used to do as well as ever. I'd really like to get my hands on a copy of FrameMaker 8. That whole model seems outdated to me. I'd like to switch to Confluence. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote: Time for a robust system that does what FM used to do so well. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
One benefit of the subscription model is that a company can focus 100% on the current and next releases. That should significantly reduce support costs, eliminates the cost of providing and distributing patch releases for old versions, and reduces various other costs due to reduced complexity. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Steve Johnson chinask...@gmail.com wrote: Of what benefit to Adobe is depriving us to choose what we want? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we were more rational and obedient, Adobe would be better off. You're side of the mark about resellers. Adobe locks down pricing and availability of its software; you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever and you can't get more than a few dollars of discount from anybody. Having other people sell for you is generally a good thing. But again, in the Adobe way of looking at things, what's good for the customer is bad because customers always do the wrong thing. Adobe is making this change in anticipation of other changes yet to be announced. If you love the subscription model you'll love whatever else they have in mind for you. It's a good time to be an apologist. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nzwrote: On 12/05/2013, at 6:36 AM, Steve Johnson wrote: Almost everyone keeps ignoring the question of CHOICE. There's no doubt you can make a case for subscription but you can also make a case for getting the disks or downloading the software. Of what benefit to Adobe is depriving us to choose what we want? Why is mailing me disks for additional cost or providing a download bad for Adobe? Clearly it isn't. There is something else going on. Certainly Adobe will jack up the price of subscription. They might have other things in mind also but the point is, why make everyone adopt a model that doesn't benefit everyone? What's in it for Adobe? That's what I'd like to know. Decreased cost for license management, increased cash flow through subscriptions, constant income stream as opposed to periodic peaks related to new product releases, increased profit margins, better share value, regional price control and management (we typically pay 3x the US cost for the same software), better release management (no more pesky resellers and middlemen), better profits from cutting out middlemen and resellers, therefore even better share value, more accurate profit forecasts at shorter time intervals, therefore even better share value,... Alan -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz __**_ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe@lists.**frameusers.comframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/**mailman/options/framers/dr_** gonzo%40pobox.comhttp://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_go...@pobox.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Hi Jeremy Did you consider expanding LaTeX? A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX could be a strong unstructured FM alternative. It's years since I used LaTeX much but I found it pretty good when I did. Not easy, but good. Cheers Rebecca Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com 12/05/13 12:54 On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote: I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and plugins independently installable for most of the functionality. We called it Omni 2.0, after the very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar). If there really is much interest, we can set it up as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a couple of others on SourceForge). We're not set on that name, or on much of anything else except GPL. Greed doesn't always have to win out... ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rebecca.officer%40alliedtelesis.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Craig Ede wrote: Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean that you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not some changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke your ability of use the software in that state, and they have certain obligations to make sure you are able to do that (i.e. they can't simply turn of your license at their end on a whim). Obviously, they can turn off support at some point. Or maybe I am wrong about their responsibilities. I'd love to hear more info on this topic. The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your license once a new version is available. Adobe's track record isn't that bad: activation for Frame 9 is still available, and when they closed down the activation for CS2, they provided a download for a version that doesn't need activation. Harro de Jong ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Another option is to expand OpenOffice, which is also pretty good, but need more single-sourcing capabilities. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 13-May-13 1:38 AM, rebecca officer wrote: Hi Jeremy Did you consider expanding LaTeX? A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX could be a strong unstructured FM alternative. It's years since I used LaTeX much but I found it pretty good when I did. Not easy, but good. Cheers Rebecca "Jeremy H. Griffith" jer...@omsys.com 12/05/13 12:54 On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote: I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and plugins independently installable for most of the functionality. We called it "Omni 2.0", after the very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar). If there really is much interest, we can set it up as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a couple of others on SourceForge). We're not set on that name, or on much of anything else except GPL. Greed doesn't always have to win out... ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rebecca.officer%40alliedtelesis.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied TelesisLabs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
At the risk of sounding all Pollyanna, perhaps what Adobe is doing is actually good for the tech writing community. Perhaps it WILL inspire people to create other choices/other competition. At least it is prompting the conversation. Nadine --- On Sat, 5/11/13, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com wrote: From: Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Received: Saturday, May 11, 2013, 8:54 PM On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote: I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and plugins independently installable for most of the functionality. We called it Omni 2.0, after the very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar). If there really is much interest, we can set it up as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a couple of others on SourceForge). We're not set on that name, or on much of anything else except GPL. Greed doesn't always have to win out... ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
2013-05-13-01T13:00Z There's that death knell again . . .. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: 2013-05-09-Thursday 12:38 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for it. For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the future, though. -- Steve [somewhat aghast] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dave.st...@gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:38:05 +1200, rebecca officer rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz wrote: Did you consider expanding LaTeX? Not really. There's a well-established community around it, and lacking any familiarity with it, we didn't think we could do it much good. A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX could be a strong unstructured FM alternative. It's years since I used LaTeX much but I found it pretty good when I did. Not easy, but good. I generally like Don Knuth's thinking, but I feel that task belongs to somebody intimately familiar with it over many years... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Landscape master pages don't work
I have always had the best luck with the Single range indicator... -MattMatt R. Sullivanco-authorPublishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11P:714.798.7596 |C:714.585.2335 |m...@mattrsullivan.com@mattrsullivanLinkedInfacebookmattrsullivan.com On May 9, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Gay Alson gal...@epicor.com wrote:l glitch where the last page would revert to portrait but if I put___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
2013-05-13-01T15:15Z I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et al. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: 2013-05-11-Saturday 20:54 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote: I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and plugins independently installable for most of the functionality. We called it Omni 2.0, after the very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar). If there really is much interest, we can set it up as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a couple of others on SourceForge). We're not set on that name, or on much of anything else except GPL. Greed doesn't always have to win out... ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dave.st...@gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.c om Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Here is my suggestion on where to start. I would like a light-weight editor where the user could apply styles, insert tables, images, etc. The styles would be mapped to a schema so that the user could output XML. Then a full copy of FrameMaker could be used as print engine. You would set up a structured application in full FrameMaker, and import the XML for print, etc. The reasons I favor this approach: 1) FrameMaker is currently the best print engine on the market for producing high-quality print/PDF output. 2) With a light-weight editor, you would only need one copy of FrameMaker for output. The rest of the writers/editors could use the light-weight editor. 3) You could easily exchange content with users of other XML editors as long as everyone is using the same schema. 4) This is a realistic first step to a FrameMaker replacement. Anything more complex may be too ambitious and not get too far. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of dave.st...@gdc4s.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:15 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only 2013-05-13-01T15:15Z I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et al. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: 2013-05-11-Saturday 20:54 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote: I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and plugins independently installable for most of the functionality. We called it Omni 2.0, after the very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar). If there really is much interest, we can set it up as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a couple of others on SourceForge). We're not set on that name, or on much of anything else except GPL. Greed doesn't always have to win out... ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dave.st...@gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.c om Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)
I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to fruition. :) However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years old, and I'm a bit concerned about compatibility, especially in the light of some Microsoft engineers slipping and referring to the legacy desktop interface. Thoughts? Thanks much, Lea -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:34 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Old versions of FrameMaker do what FrameMaker used to do as well as ever. I'd really like to get my hands on a copy of FrameMaker 8. _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific www.astoria-pacific.com P: 800-536-3111, +1-503-657-3010 Please consider the environment before printing this email. `.¸¸.´¯`.¸.´¯`...¸ º`.¸¸.´¯`.¸.´¯`...¸º NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication is from Astoria-Pacific and is intended to be confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:15:19 -0700, dave.st...@gdc4s.com wrote: I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et al. I've had several off-list replies as well. I think you hit a nerve there, Nadine! So I've put the five-year-old draft spec for Omni 2 on the Mif2Go Web site: http://mif2go.com/download/Omni2Book.zip Comments are welcome. Share freely. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
2013-05-13-01T20:20Z Nadine - Nadine, I certainly wouldn't swing the bat if you were within range. On the other hand, having served in the US Army Infantry, I'd call it bursting radius. Well, if you'll accept an American source, please see http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism and http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free+market?show=0t=1368475416 . So, I make the answer to your question as, . . . an economic system characterized by . . . distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market. Also, please consider the following. It is a very-close paraphrasing of a statement by a professor of accounting is his class many years ago. The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose of business is to _make_money_. And, if you'll allow an allusion from the Bible: The _love_ of money is the root of all evil. (emphasis added because it is often misquoted as Money is the root of all evil. DAS) *Being concerned that Nadine and others might be within bursting radius, puts figurative safety pin back into figurative hand grenade.* Regards, Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] Sent: 2013-05-13-Monday 15:56 To: Stamm, David-P45904; dr_go...@pobox.com; a...@alphabyte.co.nz Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only “That's how capitalism is supposed to work.” I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on capitalism vs free market. *figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery* Nadine Nadine - Nadine, I certainly wouldn't swing the bat if you were within range. On the other hand, having served in the US Army Infantry, I'd call it bursting radius. Well, if you'll accept an American source, please see http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism and http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free+market?show=0t=1368475416 . So, I make the answer to your question as, . . . an economic system characterized by . . . distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market. Also, please consider the following. It is a very-close paraphrasing of a statement by a professor of accounting is his class many years ago. The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose of business is to _make_money_. And, if you'll allow an allusion from the Bible: The _love_ of money is the root of all evil. (emphasis added because it is often misquoted as Money is the root of all evil. DAS) *Being concerned that Nadine and others might be within bursting radius, puts figurative safety pin back into figurative hand grenade.* Regards, Dave Stamm Information Engineer ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
Hi, all- Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an Explorer window. Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP. Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. Thanks! Kristy *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you.inline: image001.jpg___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
I am running Frame on a MacBook Pro, Win XP in VMware Fusion. I used to have Parallels as my emulator, but encountered the same issue you are experiencing. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 5/13/13 1:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: Hi, all- Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. Ive tried moving all the files to an Explorer window. Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP. Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. Thanks! Kristy *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tm...@spot-on-creative.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
I run FM10 on a MBP with VirtualBox and Windows 7 installed on Bootcamp. I boot into Windows using VB. Runs fine. Of course, I think 10 has different registration procedures to 11. Alan On 14/05/13 8:46 AM, Kristy Nolan wrote: Hi, all- Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I’ve tried moving all the files to an Explorer window. Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP. Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. Thanks! Kristy ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE * This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. * ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
Hi Kristy, Windows XP sounds really old. I run Parallels with Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro and I loaded Frame 10 without problems. I would start with an upgrade to Windows 7. Daniel On May 13, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: Hi, all- Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I’ve tried moving all the files to an Explorer window. Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP. Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. Thanks! Kristy *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as danie...@sbcglobal.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/danield3%40sbcglobal.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
What browser are you using to download it? You probably should use Firefox from within the Windows virtual machine - I think Adobe is using 7Zip to compress the files, so under WinXP you'll need to install that to unzip it (IIRC). From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan Sent: May-13-13 4:47 PM To: FrameUsers List Subject: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro? Hi, all- Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an Explorer window. Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP. Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. Thanks! Kristy *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. inline: image002.jpg___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
MB Air, vmware Fusion, Win7, runs like a champ! -MattMatt R. Sullivanco-authorPublishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11P:714.798.7596 |C:714.585.2335 |m...@mattrsullivan.com@mattrsullivanLinkedInfacebookmattrsullivan.com On May 13, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Daniel Doornbos danie...@sbcglobal.net wrote:Hi Kristy,Windows XP sounds really old.I run Parallels with Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro and I loaded Frame 10 without problems.I would start with an upgrade to Windows 7.DanielOn May 13, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote:Hi, all-Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I’ve tried moving all the files to an Explorer window.Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP.Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.Thanks!Kristy*** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ***This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you.___You are currently subscribed to framers asdanie...@sbcglobal.net.Send list messages toframers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visithttp://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/danield3%40sbcglobal.netSend administrative questions tolistad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/for more resources and info.___You are currently subscribed to framers as m...@mattrsullivan.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose of business is to _make_money_. I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this link: http://www.aeris.com/thinking-about-deploying-an-m2m-application/), I talked about why somebody would deploy an M2M application (which is what my company does). It is never a technical decision ... it is a business decision. So, I'd rather say: The purpose of a business is to make a _profit_. And to keep on doing better ... when revenue rises, costs should rise slower. If the revenue drops, the costs should drop faster. Both ways lead to better profitability, although a drop in revenue is often seen as a negative! And there are direct, _and_ indirect, thing that affect the increase in revenue or drop in costs, or both. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Yes! It is one of the reasons I am now looking at them as a possible tool for my work - will be starting an evaluation in a few weeks. However, at first blush, the cost (both to change and to maintain) appears to be very high and thus one negative so far. Z -Original Message- From: Gillian Flato [mailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com] Isn't that what MadCap tried to do? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) I raise my hand ... :) Now ... who is responsible for getting funding? Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? *crickets chirp* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Hi Steve, These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, retail channel? Thanks Alan On 12/05/13 11:09 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 16:42 +1200 12/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > >> Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the >> product. With the advance of Internet and peer support of products, Adobe >> had long since removed the reseller from the channel. > > Without responding to the many other issues, I just comment that we seem to > have successful Adobe resellers here in the UK. > -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
At 07:11 +1200 13/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: >These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, >retail channel? Not shops as such: my understanding is that they sell Adobe products and also training. I have dealt with two recently: Certitec and Phoenix Software. It was Adobe UK that referred me to the latter. -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]
Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Hi Jeremy Did you consider expanding LaTeX? A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX could be a strong unstructured FM alternative. It's years since I used LaTeX much but I found it pretty good when I did. Not easy, but good. Cheers Rebecca >>> "Jeremy H. Griffith" 12/05/13 12:54 >>> On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer wrote: >I say we start a new company and create a competitor >to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and plugins independently installable for most of the functionality. We called it "Omni 2.0", after the very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar). If there really is much interest, we can set it up as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a couple of others on SourceForge). We're not set on that name, or on much of anything else except GPL. Greed doesn't always have to win out... ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rebecca.officer at alliedtelesis.co.nz. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rebecca.officer%40alliedtelesis.co.nz Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/c0ac896e/attachment.html>
OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Craig Ede wrote: > Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean > that > you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not some > changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke your > ability of > use the software in that state, and they have certain obligations to make > sure you > are able to do that (i.e. they can't simply turn of your license at their end > on a whim). > Obviously, they can turn off support at some point. > > Or maybe I am wrong about their responsibilities. I'd love to hear more info > on this > topic. The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your license once a new version is available. Adobe's track record isn't that bad: activation for Frame 9 is still available, and when they closed down the activation for CS2, they provided a download for a version that doesn't need activation. Harro de Jong
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Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
At the risk of sounding all Pollyanna, perhaps what Adobe is doing is actually good for the tech writing community. Perhaps it WILL inspire people to create other choices/other competition. At least it is prompting the conversation. Nadine --- On Sat, 5/11/13, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > From: Jeremy H. Griffith > Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only > To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" > Received: Saturday, May 11, 2013, 8:54 PM > On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 > (PDT), Writer > > wrote: > > >I say we start a new company and create a competitor > >to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? > > Well... we've had one on the back burner for several > years now.? Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, > so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and > plugins independently installable for most of the > functionality.? We called it "Omni 2.0", after the > very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented > editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar). > > If there really is much interest, we can set it up > as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a > couple of others on SourceForge).? We're not set on > that name, or on much of anything else except GPL. > > Greed doesn't always have to win out...? ;-) > > -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. > ? ? > ? http://mif2go.com/ > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. >
Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
2013-05-13-01T13:00Z There's that death knell again?.?.?.. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: 2013-05-09-Thursday 12:38 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for it. For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the future, though. -- Steve [somewhat aghast] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:38:05 +1200, "rebecca officer" > wrote: >Did you consider expanding LaTeX? Not really. There's a well-established community around it, and lacking any familiarity with it, we didn't think we could do it much good. >A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX >could be a strong unstructured FM alternative. > >It's years since I used LaTeX much but I found it >pretty good when I did. Not easy, but good. I generally like Don Knuth's thinking, but I feel that task belongs to somebody intimately familiar with it over many years... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/
Landscape master pages don't work
I have always had the best luck with the Single range indicator... -Matt Matt R. Sullivan co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | matt at mattrsullivan.com @mattrsullivan LinkedIn facebook mattrsullivan.com On May 9, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Gay Alson wrote: > l glitch where the last page would revert to portrait but if I put -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/f9d01ee1/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: twitter.png Type: image/png Size: 1331 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/f9d01ee1/attachment.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: linkedin.png Type: image/png Size: 1380 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/f9d01ee1/attachment-0001.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: facebook.png Type: image/png Size: 1576 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/f9d01ee1/attachment-0002.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blog.png Type: image/png Size: 1222 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/f9d01ee1/attachment-0003.png>
Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
2013-05-13-01T15:15Z I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et al. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: 2013-05-11-Saturday 20:54 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer wrote: >I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! >Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and plugins independently installable for most of the functionality. We called it "Omni 2.0", after the very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar). If there really is much interest, we can set it up as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a couple of others on SourceForge). We're not set on that name, or on much of anything else except GPL. Greed doesn't always have to win out... ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.c om Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Here is my suggestion on where to start. I would like a light-weight editor where the user could apply styles, insert tables, images, etc. The styles would be mapped to a schema so that the user could output XML. Then a full copy of FrameMaker could be used as "print engine". You would set up a structured application in full FrameMaker, and import the XML for print, etc. The reasons I favor this approach: 1) FrameMaker is currently the best "print engine" on the market for producing high-quality print/PDF output. 2) With a light-weight editor, you would only need one copy of FrameMaker for output. The rest of the writers/editors could use the light-weight editor. 3) You could easily exchange content with users of other XML editors as long as everyone is using the same schema. 4) This is a realistic "first step" to a FrameMaker replacement. Anything more complex may be too ambitious and not get too far. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 rick at frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:15 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only 2013-05-13-01T15:15Z I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et al. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: 2013-05-11-Saturday 20:54 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer wrote: >I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! >Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now. Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and plugins independently installable for most of the functionality. We called it "Omni 2.0", after the very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar). If there really is much interest, we can set it up as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a couple of others on SourceForge). We're not set on that name, or on much of anything else except GPL. Greed doesn't always have to win out... ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.c om Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rick at rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)
I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to fruition. :) However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years old, and I'm a bit concerned about compatibility, especially in the light of some Microsoft engineers slipping and referring to the "legacy" desktop interface. Thoughts? Thanks much, Lea > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:34 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only > > Old versions of FrameMaker do what FrameMaker used to do as well as ever. I'd > really like to get my hands on a copy of FrameMaker 8. _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific www.astoria-pacific.com P: 800-536-3111, +1-503-657-3010 Please consider the environment before printing this email. `?.??.???`?.?.???`?...? >`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication is from Astoria-Pacific and is intended to be confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation.
Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:15:19 -0700, wrote: >I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et >al. I've had several off-list replies as well. I think you hit a nerve there, Nadine! So I've put the five-year-old draft spec for Omni 2 on the Mif2Go Web site: http://mif2go.com/download/Omni2Book.zip Comments are welcome. Share freely. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/
FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)
On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:23:49 -0700, Lea Rush wrote: >I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that >decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd >like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to >fruition. :) Me too. FM8 works fine on Windows 7 64-bit Ultimate, and I'm perfectly happy with it. Can't stand the UI for FM9 and up, so never use those. >However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years old, and I'm a >bit concerned about compatibility, especially in the light of some Microsoft >engineers slipping and referring to the "legacy" desktop interface. >Thoughts? I think it will be several more years before you need to worry. XP is still around and working in many places, and Win 7 is likely to be with us a lot longer, given the disaster MS perpetrated with Win 8. They really can't make enterprise customers "upgrade" to something as ill-conceived as 8... I'd give FM 8 on Win 7 another five years, at least. Not to worry. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/
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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
inue to pay for now. If you love the subscription model you'll love whatever else they have in mind for you. It's a good time to be an apologist. If I too were a fanboy, then maybe I too would be all smoochy about it. I have been in this business for too many years. I do not like it that this company (or any other) decide that I have not been paying enough for what I have been using and make it so that I pay more. I do not like it that I have to have the corporation in my head every month come subscription time. On the other hand, it is good time to be a user of LaTeX, et al. I am keen to see what Jeremy has to offer. Alan On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Alan T Litchfield mailto:alan at alphabyte.co.nz>> wrote: On 12/05/2013, at 6:36 AM, Steve Johnson wrote: Almost everyone keeps ignoring the question of CHOICE. There's no doubt you can make a case for subscription but you can also make a case for getting the disks or downloading the software. Of what benefit to Adobe is depriving us to choose what we want? Why is mailing me disks for additional cost or providing a download bad for Adobe? Clearly it isn't. There is something else going on. Certainly Adobe will jack up the price of subscription. They might have other things in mind also but the point is, why make everyone adopt a model that doesn't benefit everyone? What's in it for Adobe? That's what I'd like to know. Decreased cost for license management, increased cash flow through subscriptions, constant income stream as opposed to periodic peaks related to new product releases, increased profit margins, better share value, regional price control and management (we typically pay 3x the US cost for the same software), better release management (no more pesky resellers and middlemen), better profits from cutting out middlemen and resellers, therefore even better share value, more accurate profit forecasts at shorter time intervals, therefore even better share value,... Alan -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz _ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_gonzo at pobox.com <mailto:dr_gonzo at pobox.com>. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.__frameusers.com <mailto:framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com> or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/__mailman/options/framers/dr___gonzo%40pobox .com <http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.co m> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com <mailto:listadmin at frameusers.com>. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_gonzo at pobox.com <mailto:dr_gonzo at pobox.com> -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz -- Steve Johnson, dr_gonzo at pobox.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/0716ad5b/attachment.html>
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>?That's how capitalism is supposed to work.? I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine
OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
2013-05-13-01T20:20Z Nadine - Nadine, I certainly wouldn't swing the bat if you were within range. On the other hand, having served in the US Army Infantry, I'd call it "bursting radius." Well, if you'll accept an American source, please see http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism and http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free+market?show=0=1368475416 . So, I make the answer to your question as, "?.?.?.?an economic system characterized by?.?.?.?distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market." Also, please consider the following. It is a very-close paraphrasing of a statement by a professor of accounting is his class many years ago. The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose of business is to _make_money_. And, if you'll allow an allusion from the Bible: "The _love_ of money is the root of all evil." (emphasis added because it is often misquoted as "Money is the root of all evil." DAS) *Being concerned that Nadine and others might be within bursting radius, puts figurative safety pin back into figurative hand grenade.* Regards, Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] Sent: 2013-05-13-Monday 15:56 To: Stamm, David-P45904; dr_gonzo at pobox.com; alan at alphabyte.co.nz Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only >?That's how capitalism is supposed to work.? I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine
OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on "capitalism vs free market". *figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery* Nadine ? > Nadine - > > Nadine, I certainly wouldn't swing the bat if you were within range.? On the > other hand, having served in the US Army Infantry, I'd call it > "bursting radius." > > Well, if you'll accept an American source, please see > > ??? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism and > > ??? > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free+market?show=0=1368475416 . > > So, I make the answer to your question as, "?.?.?.?an economic system > characterized by?.?.?.?distribution of goods that are determined mainly by > competition in a free market." > > Also, please consider the following.? It is a very-close paraphrasing of a > statement by a professor of accounting is his class many years ago. > > The purpose of business is to make money.? The purpose of business is _not_ > to > produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service.? The purpose of > business is to _make_money_. > > And, if you'll allow an allusion from the Bible:? "The _love_ of money > is the root of all evil."? (emphasis added because it is often misquoted as > "Money is the root of all evil."? DAS) > > *Being concerned that Nadine and others might be within bursting radius, puts > figurative safety pin back into figurative hand grenade.* > > Regards, > Dave Stamm > Information Engineer
Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
Hi, all- Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an Explorer window. Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP. Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. Thanks! Kristy *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/675bceeb/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 12516 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/675bceeb/attachment.jpg>
Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
Hi Kristy, I run Frame 11 in a similar environment (Macbook Pro, Parallels 7/8, Windows 7). Before the first post-release patch, FrameMaker 11 crashed rather frequently. Now it's much more stable (FM still crashes when I horizontally scroll an unsaved file. I can usually remember to avoid doing this). I'll contact you off-list with some ideas. -Alan --- Fellow, Society for Technical Communication <http://www.stc.org>Alan Houser Group Wellesley, Inc. Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing Immediate Past President, Society for Technical Communication arh on Twitter 412-450-0532 On 5/13/13 4:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: > > Hi, all- > > Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you > get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my > old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download > the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, > it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not > extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried > re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an > Explorer window. > > Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. > New Mac, Windows XP. > > Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. > > Thanks! > > Kristy > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/102bc66d/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: STC-Logo-Fellow-vert.png Type: image/png Size: 26019 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/102bc66d/attachment.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 12516 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/102bc66d/attachment.jpe>
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Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
Hi Kristy, Windows XP sounds really old. I run Parallels with Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro and I loaded Frame 10 without problems. I would start with an upgrade to Windows 7. Daniel On May 13, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: > Hi, all- > > Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it > to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so > know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and > have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete > and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive > and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I?ve tried moving all > the files to an Explorer window. > > Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New > Mac, Windows XP. > > Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. > > Thanks! > Kristy > > > > > > > *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain > legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use > of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, > distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank > you. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as danield3 at sbcglobal.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/danield3%40sbcglobal.net > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/1c2a39ba/attachment.html>
Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
What browser are you using to download it? You probably should use Firefox from within the Windows virtual machine - I think Adobe is using 7Zip to compress the files, so under WinXP you'll need to install that to unzip it (IIRC). From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan Sent: May-13-13 4:47 PM To: FrameUsers List Subject: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro? Hi, all- Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an Explorer window. Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP. Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. Thanks! Kristy *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/c667cde8/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 12516 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/c667cde8/attachment.jpg>
Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
MB Air, vmware Fusion, Win7, runs like a champ! -Matt Matt R. Sullivan co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | matt at mattrsullivan.com @mattrsullivan LinkedIn facebook mattrsullivan.com On May 13, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote: > Hi Kristy, > > Windows XP sounds really old. > I run Parallels with Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro and I loaded Frame 10 > without problems. > I would start with an upgrade to Windows 7. > > Daniel > > On May 13, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: > >> Hi, all- >> >> Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it >> to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so >> know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and >> have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete >> and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive >> and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I?ve tried moving all >> the files to an Explorer window. >> >> Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New >> Mac, Windows XP. >> >> Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. >> >> Thanks! >> Kristy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** >> >> This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain >> legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use >> of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended >> recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, >> distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is >> strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please >> notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. >> Thank you. >> >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to framers as danield3 at sbcglobal.net. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/danield3%40sbcglobal.net >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as matt at mattrsullivan.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/c3440d5f/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: twitter.png Type: image/png Size: 1331 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/c3440d5f/attachment.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: linkedin.png Type: image/png Size: 1380 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/c3440d5f/attachment-0001.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: facebook.png Type: image/png Size: 1576 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/c3440d5f/attachment-0002.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blog.png Type: image/png Size: 1222 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/c3440d5f/attachment-0003.png>
OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
> The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ > to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose > of business is to _make_money_. I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this link: http://www.aeris.com/thinking-about-deploying-an-m2m-application/), I talked about why somebody would deploy an M2M application (which is what my company does). It is never a technical decision ... it is a business decision. So, I'd rather say: "The purpose of a business is to make a _profit_." And to keep on doing better ... when revenue rises, costs should rise slower. If the revenue drops, the costs should drop faster. Both ways lead to better profitability, although a drop in revenue is often seen as a negative! And there are direct, _and_ indirect, thing that affect the increase in revenue or drop in costs, or both. Z
Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Yes! It is one of the reasons I am now looking at them as a possible tool for my work - will be starting an evaluation in a few weeks. However, at first blush, the cost (both to change and to maintain) appears to be very high and thus one negative so far. Z -Original Message- From: Gillian Flato [mailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com] Isn't that what MadCap tried to do? -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) I raise my hand ... :) Now ... who is responsible for getting funding? Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? *crickets chirp*
OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
I think my response is far from the mission of this forum but the statement below just hooked me, it is also a nice diversion from the daily work to read all the responses, and I bet our thoughts trickle back into Adobe. A previous post said: "The problem with customers is that they cost money to do business with." Am I taking this out of context, or should I have it turned into a banner that hangs near the front door or cash register. "The cost of customer management has a negative effect on share value." I think it depends on a companies mission statement and core values. Are they still passionate about the product or service, or is has it become just about the money. I realize both forces at play and balance is required to sustain business. A new business model is emerging. I've read a lot of pros and cons on this thread. Some will prove to be real, adjustments will be made, business will grow, decline or maybe fail. In the perspective of things unfolding from the creativity of the cosmos, I see this as another iteration towards cloud computing, but rather than stepping to total cloud computing like Google Docs/Drive where we don't have the software at all, it's just cloud "software delivery" for now. It is a systemic result that emerges from individuals trying to make isolated business decisions based on, or building on, ideas they see elsewhere. I'm actually more interested in watching the open source concept grow into an entirely new economy where the passion is about the product and the money comes from some other offshoot, or like someone wrote about Oxygen where the academic license allows some small scale usage while the money comes in from other larger sources. I think the economy is going to change in the next 50 years in ways we can't even image due to the connectiveness of the internet and access to free and low cost entertainment, education, information, apps, and services. I bet the large companies that highly control software versions like a large aerospace firm I used to work for, medical device companies that Craig mentioned, or other safety critical product companies, are going to be busy figuring out how to work in this new model. Ed You can't change the waves, but you can pick which wave you want to ride. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/51559f44/attachment.html>
FM10 help broken?
Craig, How do you download the help as a PDF? -Gillian -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:25 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: FW: FM10 help broken? As a fallback option to online help, it's probably a good idea to download the help file as a PDF (it makes a great user manual, btw). Since the PDF has the revision date in the footer you can update your version if a new revision is released. Such a search should be easy in the PDF. Craig -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 12:59 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM10 help broken? Did Adobe change something on their web site that broke FM10 help? Maybe it's not just FM10? I just did Help > Help Topics and searched for "change bars" with "This reference only" selected. Cold Fusion or whatever replaced the quotes and space with escaped HTML and the search found no results. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/search/index.cfm?cat=support=%2522change%2 520bars%2522=en_US=1=en_US=framemaker_10_all ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craigede at hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gillian.flato at nexenta.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gillian.flato%40nexenta.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Isn't that what MadCap tried to do? -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:06 PM To: Writer; craigede at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I raise my hand ... :) Now ... who is responsible for getting funding? Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 11:33 AM To: craigede at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone? *crickets chirp* =D Nadine - Original Message - > From: Craig Ede > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM > Subject: FW: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription > only > >T his is troubling, and so one message is "buy the CS software on >CD/DVD while you still can." A number of my friends, most connected >with academic institutions, are doing that. > > I expect Adobe is attempting to have everyone on the same page as > regards these applications so that one set of help files defines the > "current state" > of an application. This would help a lot in terms of expected outcomes > when using the product. However, it requires a constant state of > reeducation as new features are added and different ways of handling things > are introduced. > Not that we don't have to deal with this already, but at least we know > if we do something in a given version, it is going to work in a way > that we already are familiar with. > > As for extending this "the current version of the app" beyond the > bounds of the Creative Suite, I rather doubt that Adobe will do that > anytime soon. If they have their finger on the pulse of their users > they must realized that, for instance, in the medical device industry, > all tools used to produce documentation must be validated. It would be > impossible? (and expensive!) to validate a moving target as the apps > were continually being improved and the former version made > unavailable. > > Craig Ede > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Rickaby > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:38 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription > only > > I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in > future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? > > I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like > Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless > thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it > - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as > soon as you stop paying for it. > > For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and > Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less > sure about the future, though. > > -- > Steve [somewhat aghast] > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo > .ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Syed.Hosain at aeris.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gillian.flato at nexenta.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gillian.flato%40nexenta.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)
I don't think MS's new can't-call-it-Metro UI has gotten any traction in corporate environments. If they don't want Windows 8 to be a bigger flop than Vista, compatibility is essential. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Lea Rush wrote: > I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that > decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd > like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to > fruition. :) > > However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years old, and I'm a > bit concerned about compatibility, especially in the light of some Microsoft > engineers slipping and referring to the "legacy" desktop interface. > Thoughts?
Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Dear Rick, please allow one note about the "print engine". FrameMaker is still using the old Distiller engine (at least version 10 does). I recently had to switch a workflow from Indesign to FrameMaker and found it annoying that Indesign would produce a valid PDF right away whereas with FrameMaker I have to correct all PDFs in Acrobat to produce PDF/X3 with color profile and valid bleed box. And as transparency is not fully supported via the Distiller engine, the actual PDF/X4 format cannot be produced (the favorite format for one of our printing service companies). So finally, I came to think that not FrameMaker, but Indesign may have one of the best "print engines" - at least more flexible and more up to date than FrameMaker's. Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin Rick Quatro: > Here is my suggestion on where to start. I would like a light-weight editor > where the user could apply styles, insert tables, images, etc. The styles > would be mapped to a schema so that the user could output XML. Then a full > copy of FrameMaker could be used as "print engine". You would set up a > structured application in full FrameMaker, and import the XML for print, > etc. > > The reasons I favor this approach: > > 1) FrameMaker is currently the best "print engine" on the market for > producing high-quality print/PDF output. > > 2) With a light-weight editor, you would only need one copy of FrameMaker > for output. The rest of the writers/editors could use the light-weight > editor. > > 3) You could easily exchange content with users of other XML editors as long > as everyone is using the same schema. > > 4) This is a realistic "first step" to a FrameMaker replacement. Anything > more complex may be too ambitious and not get too far. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > 585-283-5045 > rick at frameexpert.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/7821ef80/attachment.html>
Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
I was contacted by the reseller that my company uses earlier today and it turns out that only it will be either all or nothing, no picking-and-choosing. We here use FM, Acrobat Professional and may be getting into InDesign in the future, but we have no need -- and do not see a need in the future -- for all of the other stuff. And it appears, from an e-mail from my reseller, that we may be SOL regarding upgrades to our currently licensed software in the not-too-distant future: ? * 15 new CC apps including Adobe Photoshop CC, Adobe InDesign CC, Adobe Illustrator CC and more will be made available to all CCT users by June17th ? *Adobe has confirmed any future enhancements for their creative products will be available through their CCT offering only (boldfacing mine) ? * CCT Packager available for centralized IT deployment ? * New LOWER price for your additional copies effective NOW thru 8/31/2013. ($480 MSRP) By the way, the reseller my company uses is very straight-up and hasn't steered us wrong in the past, so nothing against them. -- Ken in Atlanta From: "Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com" <dave.st...@gdc4s.com> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 9:03:21 AM Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only 2013-05-13-01T13:00Z There's that death knell again . . .. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: 2013-05-09-Thursday 12:38 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow? I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for it. For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the future, though. -- Steve [somewhat aghast] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.stamm%40gdc4s.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as poshedly at bellsouth.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/poshedly%40bellsouth.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/34db3c83/attachment.html>
FM8 and Win8 (Was: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only)
Lea, I'm using an even older version of Frame; Frame 6.0p405 and have upgraded to Window 8 ( albeit without a touch screen monitor). Frame 6.0 works fine and I have not seen any interface or other problems. O do, however, use the compatibility feature of Windows to launch Frame under Windows XP. Frank Rees On 5/13/2013 1:23 PM, Lea Rush wrote: > I'm one who's stayed with FM8 and become increasingly happy about that > decision as I've watched the issues with the new interface accumulate. I'd > like to keep using it as long as possible or until Jeremy's project comes to > fruition. :) > > However, I'm a little concerned about Win8. FM8 is five years old, and I'm a > bit concerned about compatibility, especially in the light of some Microsoft > engineers slipping and referring to the "legacy" desktop interface. > Thoughts? > > Thanks much, > Lea > >> -Original Message- >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- >> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston >> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:34 AM >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >> Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only >> >> Old versions of FrameMaker do what FrameMaker used to do as well as ever. > I'd >> really like to get my hands on a copy of FrameMaker 8. > > _ > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific > www.astoria-pacific.com > P: 800-536-3111, +1-503-657-3010 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > `..??..??`..?..??`? ><?>`..??..??`..?..??`?><?> > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY > > This communication is from Astoria-Pacific and is intended to be > confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed > above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information > contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, > and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information > is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, > and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as frees1 at comcast.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/frees1%40comcast.net > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- *Frank Rees* -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/a9178476/attachment.html>
OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Harro de Jong wrote: > The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may > have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the > upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your > license once a new version is available. There's nothing in the FM10 or earlier licensing agreements I've read that would allow Adobe to revoke your right to use the software so long as you observe the restrictions of the agreement. The clause you're quoting means that If the currently installed and licensed version is an update or upgrade, Adobe has no obligation to provide the support for the earlier versions. For example, if you upgrade to FM11 while you still have an active support contract for FM10, the support contract is shifted to FM11, and they no longer have any obligation to provide any support for FM10. "5. Updates. If the Software is an upgrade or update to a previous version of Adobe software, you must possess a valid license to such previous version in order to use such upgrade or update. After you install such update or upgrade, you may continue to use any such previous version in accordance with its end-user license agreement only if (a) the upgrade or update and all previous versions are installed on the same Computer, (b) the previous versions or copies thereof are not transferred to another party or device unless all copies of the update or upgrade are also transferred to such party or device, and (c) you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the upgrade or update. No other use of the previous version(s) is permitted after installation of an update or upgrade."
OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever ... Maybe licensed resellers have to return all old software when a new version is released, but the FrameMaker 10 license allows you to sell your rights: "You may ... permanently transfer all your rights to use the Software to another individual or legal entity ... Adobe may require that you and the receiving party confirm in writing your compliance with this agreement, provide Adobe with information about yourselves, and register as end-users of the Software."
OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ > to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service.
Boston area Framers and translation
Do any Boston-area Framers have experience with GlobalVision International for translation projects? We are translating 220pp unstructured FM11 into Japanese. I am also interested in the view from the trenches on translations from FM via machine translation vs human-guided translation memory. Thanks! -- *John Sgammato * Documentation Architect *e* john.sgammato at actifio.com *w* +1-(508) 927-2083 *Recover anything instantly for up to 90% less than you're paying now.* -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/afee43b9/attachment.html>
Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
Windows XP SP3? On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: > > Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it > to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so > know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and > have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete > and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive > and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I?ve tried moving all > the files to an Explorer window. > > Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New > Mac, Windows XP.
Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
Hi Kristy, I have been stuck with a MacBook Pro since starting a new job in November. Until last week, I ran FM11 pretty much without incident within a VirtualBox Win7 VM. But the VM was confined to a single screen, and I hated jumping through the looking-glass from Mac to Windows and back for different things. Finally at the end of last week I threw it all away and set the Mac up with BootCamp. Now I boot into Windows and I never see the Mac stuff anymore. I should have done this half a year ago! On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: > Hi, all- > > ** ** > > Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get > it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old > MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the > trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets > about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting > properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple > times. I?ve tried moving all the files to an Explorer window. > > Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New > Mac, Windows XP. > > ** ** > > Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. > > ** ** > > Thanks! > > Kristy > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > -- > > * * > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE * > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain > legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use > of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, > distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. > Thank you. * > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgammato at actifio.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40actifio.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > -- *John Sgammato * Documentation Architect *e* john.sgammato at actifio.com *w* +1-(508) 927-2083 *Recover anything instantly for up to 90% less than you're paying now.* -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/143dd535/attachment.html>
Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
You cannot run Frame 11 directly on a Mac. You CAN download VMWare Fusion, create a Windows VM on the MAC and install Frame 11 on the Windows VM. That's how my MAC is set up. VMWare Fusion works like a champ! -Gillian From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:47 PM To: FrameUsers List Subject: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro? Hi, all- Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an Explorer window. Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, Windows XP. Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. Thanks! Kristy *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/0e14fb5a/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 12516 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/0e14fb5a/attachment.jpg>
Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
Sounds like the file got corrupt during download or maybe did not fully download. Have you tried re-downloading it yet? On May 13, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote: > > Hi, all- > > Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it > to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so > know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and > have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete > and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive > and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I?ve tried moving all > the files to an Explorer window. > > Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New > Mac, Windows XP. > > Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. > > Thanks! > Kristy > > > > > *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain > legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use > of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, > distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank > you. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as mikeyshine at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mikeyshine%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/0c458a72/attachment.html>
Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?
Good call Jeff I had just assumed she downloaded it though the virtual machine but I can def see where this could create a potential issue! On May 13, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote: > > What browser are you using to download it? You probably should use Firefox > from within the Windows virtual machine ? I think Adobe is using 7Zip to > compress the files, so under WinXP you?ll need to install that to unzip it > (IIRC). > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan > Sent: May-13-13 4:47 PM > To: FrameUsers List > Subject: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro? > > Hi, all- > > Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it > to install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so > know it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and > have Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete > and gives me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive > and quits. I have tried re-downloading multiple times. I?ve tried moving all > the files to an Explorer window. > > Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New > Mac, Windows XP. > > Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too. > > Thanks! > Kristy > > > > *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain > legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use > of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, > distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank > you. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as mikeyshine at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mikeyshine%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130513/bb089b7b/attachment.html>
