Problems with documents imported from Word
Hi Framers, What do I do to clean up files which originate in Word or PDF. I'm turning crime fiction novels into ebooks and have run into a few problems. Case 1: I import simple Word files into Frame then publish as epub or mobi. In the finished version there are strange display behaviours in the middle of the book (font size and weight and italic drastically change, then return to normal). Is there a way I can clean files before I begin preparing them for publishing? Case 2: You may suggest that I ask this question on a Word forum, but everyone here knows everything, so here goes: Client has no original document so I've taken his PDF and used Adobe Acrobat to convert to text, massaged it in Frame to fix various things, then copied and pasted in Word. Going through the editing process, I cannot join two paragraphs together (by deleting the carriage return) and the Track Changes feature shows all kinds of formatting changes, which are totally unnecessary. In this case, I also want to strip the document of any formatting. I never work in Word to do any work, except when I am copyediting a nearly complete document (using Track Changes). Advice please? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Problems with documents imported from Word
At 10:15 -0500 29/7/14, Theresa de Valence wrote: What do I do to clean up files which originate in Word or PDF. I'm turning crime fiction novels into ebooks and have run into a few problems. Well, Word is a crime, and mostly fiction, that's for sure ;-) Case 1: I import simple Word files into Frame then publish as epub or mobi. In the finished version there are strange display behaviours in the middle of the book (font size and weight and italic drastically change, then return to normal). Is there a way I can clean files before I begin preparing them for publishing? Others may well have additional advice to add, but here are some procedures that I use: . If at all possible and cost-effective, tag the Word sources so that the tags match those you will use in Frame. (However, from your description, I doubt whether styles have been used in Word.) . Always 'maggy' a Word document before importing it. If you're not familiar with 'maggying', it involves copying the entire Word source (in Word) *except* the final pilcrow into a new, clean Word document, then using that for the import. I'm informed that Word 'stores' all sorts of gunk in the final pilcrow of a document that is best removed. With Word there will always be some manual clean-up, but the above may help to minimise it. Case 2: ...is outside my experience, I'm afraid. I never work in Word to do any work, except when I am copyediting a nearly complete document (using Track Changes). Advice please? Never working in Word is about as good advice as there is ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Problems with documents imported from Word
Never working in Word is about as good advice as there is ;-) Thanks for the laugh, Steve! Regards, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Problems with documents imported from Word
Hi! I've never posted before, but here is finally a topic where I have something to contribute! I just converted three novels from Word, each about 200,000 words. My experience actually wasn't too bad -- I created a Frame 12 template, created a book, and then started importing the Word docs using the Word filter, chapter by chapter. Then I developed a set of styles and went through each chapter and applied the relevant style to each paragraph. I actually had some fairly complex formatting in Word that I was able to recreate in Frame with little trouble. I did not attempt to match style names but instead developed new styles for Frame and applied those. Even going through and applying a style to each paragraph, it took only a few hours to reformat almost 600 pages in the first book. Perhaps my experience was different because I wrote the novels in Word, with each chapter as a separate file, so each file import was smaller. In my experience, Frame chokes on massive Word files. I finished the first book and sent it to the printer, and everything went off without a hitch. The e-book has been more of a problem because of hyphenation; I finally decided to turn the hyphenation off for e-book because hyphenated words appeared to have weird spaces in them when I viewed the mobi file on my various Kindles. I don't like Word at all, but it certainly does a better job of hyphenation than Frame does (IMO). Sincerely, Linda Furlet On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Keith Soltys keith.sol...@tmx.com wrote: I would not import Word into FrameMaker using the Word import filter. Given that you are working with novels, which have a fairly simple format, I would save the Word files as raw text, bring them into FrameMaker as text, and completely reformat from scratch. I am not sure why the export from PDF to text would cause you problems unless the export isn't pure text. Regards Keith -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:16 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Problems with documents imported from Word Hi Framers, What do I do to clean up files which originate in Word or PDF. I'm turning crime fiction novels into ebooks and have run into a few problems. Case 1: I import simple Word files into Frame then publish as epub or mobi. In the finished version there are strange display behaviours in the middle of the book (font size and weight and italic drastically change, then return to normal). Is there a way I can clean files before I begin preparing them for publishing? Case 2: You may suggest that I ask this question on a Word forum, but everyone here knows everything, so here goes: Client has no original document so I've taken his PDF and used Adobe Acrobat to convert to text, massaged it in Frame to fix various things, then copied and pasted in Word. Going through the editing process, I cannot join two paragraphs together (by deleting the carriage return) and the Track Changes feature shows all kinds of formatting changes, which are totally unnecessary. In this case, I also want to strip the document of any formatting. I never work in Word to do any work, except when I am copyediting a nearly complete document (using Track Changes). Advice please? Thanks, Theresa NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached to this e-mail, contains proprietary and confidential information solely for the internal use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and ensure that it is permanently deleted from your systems, and do not print, copy, distribute or read its contents. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ Le présent courriel, y compris tous les documents qu'il contient ou qui y sont joints, renferme des renseignements exclusifs et confidentiels destinés uniquement à l'usage interne du destinataire prévu. Si vous avez reçu le présent courriel par erreur, veuillez nous aviser immédiatement, notamment par retour de courriel, et vous assurer qu'il est supprimé de façon permanente de vos systèmes; veuillez également vous abstenir d'imprimer, de copier, de distribuer ou de lire son contenu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as planosopr...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/planosoprano%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to
Re: Problems with documents imported from Word
On 2014-Jul-29 11:15 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Hi Framers, What do I do to clean up files which originate in Word or PDF. I'm turning crime fiction novels into ebooks and have run into a few problems. Case 1: I import simple Word files into Frame then publish as epub or mobi. In the finished version there are strange display behaviours in the middle of the book (font size and weight and italic drastically change, then return to normal). Is there a way I can clean files before I begin preparing them for publishing? In addition to advice from others, you could also MIF-wash the file (save as .mif, re-open and save as .fm) to discard residual Word cruft. Case 2: You may suggest that I ask this question on a Word forum, but everyone here knows everything, so here goes: Client has no original document so I've taken his PDF and used Adobe Acrobat to convert to text, massaged it in Frame to fix various things, then copied and pasted in Word. Going through the editing process, I cannot join two paragraphs together (by deleting the carriage return) and the Track Changes feature shows all kinds of formatting changes, which are totally unnecessary. In this case, I also want to strip the document of any formatting. Could you clarify your workflow? What command in Acrobat to convert to text? Going through the editing process -- in Frame, or in Word? Track Changes -- in Frame or in Word? If you want to strip formatting, copy and paste into Notepad. Turn off Word Wrap, and copy and paste into your real editor (FM or Word). HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Problems with documents imported from Word
For what it's worth, we copy MSWord files into a text editor, then code them with MML tags, and then import into FM. Works like a charm especially if you use a scripting language for coding. Margaret Bustion, President 206-527-6831 / 800-551-2633 Code Publishing Company 9410 Roosevelt Way NE / Seattle, WA 98115 www.codepublishing.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Keith Soltys Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:38 AM To: Theresa de Valence; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Problems with documents imported from Word I would not import Word into FrameMaker using the Word import filter. Given that you are working with novels, which have a fairly simple format, I would save the Word files as raw text, bring them into FrameMaker as text, and completely reformat from scratch. I am not sure why the export from PDF to text would cause you problems unless the export isn't pure text. Regards Keith -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:16 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Problems with documents imported from Word Hi Framers, What do I do to clean up files which originate in Word or PDF. I'm turning crime fiction novels into ebooks and have run into a few problems. Case 1: I import simple Word files into Frame then publish as epub or mobi. In the finished version there are strange display behaviours in the middle of the book (font size and weight and italic drastically change, then return to normal). Is there a way I can clean files before I begin preparing them for publishing? Case 2: You may suggest that I ask this question on a Word forum, but everyone here knows everything, so here goes: Client has no original document so I've taken his PDF and used Adobe Acrobat to convert to text, massaged it in Frame to fix various things, then copied and pasted in Word. Going through the editing process, I cannot join two paragraphs together (by deleting the carriage return) and the Track Changes feature shows all kinds of formatting changes, which are totally unnecessary. In this case, I also want to strip the document of any formatting. I never work in Word to do any work, except when I am copyediting a nearly complete document (using Track Changes). Advice please? Thanks, Theresa NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached to this e-mail, contains proprietary and confidential information solely for the internal use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and ensure that it is permanently deleted from your systems, and do not print, copy, distribute or read its contents. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ Le présent courriel, y compris tous les documents qu'il contient ou qui y sont joints, renferme des renseignements exclusifs et confidentiels destinés uniquement à l'usage interne du destinataire prévu. Si vous avez reçu le présent courriel par erreur, veuillez nous aviser immédiatement, notamment par retour de courriel, et vous assurer qu'il est supprimé de façon permanente de vos systèmes; veuillez également vous abstenir d'imprimer, de copier, de distribuer ou de lire son contenu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mbust...@codepublishing.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mbustion%40codepublishing.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Did you try downloading the update via the webpage instead of relying on the Adobe Updater? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Hecker Sent: July-29-14 1:35 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help with re-install on new laptop For future reference: The fix from the Adobe KB (TCS3Update.zip) didn't work, but my IT guy found another one somewhere titled FM10_license_updater.exe that did work. So that problem is fixed. Now I can open FM 10, but when I do HelpUpdates and try to download the FM 10.0.2 update, it errors out every time. This has not been a fun week so far! ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help with re-install on new laptop
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