RE: Welcome back! (Was: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs)

[Combs, Richard (CW)]

Thanks, Lea! It's nice to be working again, and among people I know, like, and 
respect. Although I do miss those afternoon naps with my cat. :)

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Welcome  back to the fray, Richard!

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Subject: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

I'll second that. Mif2Go produces decent Word output right "out of the box," 
and you can customize it to a fare-thee-well.

BTW, hi everybody. I'm working again, and back on the list.

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RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Mif2Go is free now - courtesy of Jeremy's will and his family supported us in 
this effort. There is a small team of people getting the courage up to continue 
supporting it for future releases. The Omni Systems site has the info necessary 
to use Mif2Go.

With FrameMaker 12, there is one upgrade required to the latest Mif2Go download 
to make it work - one or two of the DLL's need to be updated. I forget which, 
but the information should be there at the site.

If not, please let us know and I will dig for it.

Z

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Subject: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

Thank you to everyone who commented on my question.   Looks like I may have 
been underestimating the Mif2go program I have already!

I did a quick, non-scientific "convert to Word" comparison two or three years 
ago of FrameMaker 11 demo vs. Acrobat "save as Word" vs. Mif2go, and none of 
them really floated my boat at the time.  But having configured Mif2go to 
generate our online help quite nicely from FrameMaker I did gain a lot of 
respect for its capabilities.  "The book" describing how to use it is a bit 
daunting though!  "Thank you for purchasing a Boeing 747; here are your 
operating instructions."

I'm looking for a Word conversion that's not a Word "house of cards"I need 
something that can be editable and won't frustrate the editor with thousands of 
extraneous chewing gum formats whose sole purpose is surface look and not 
re-usability.  The Acrobat save as word output was laughable in that it seemed 
to duplicate the look of our FrameMaker documents perfectly, but simple things 
like word wrap from line to line and page to page were apparently not thought 
necessary by Adobe.  The documents would explode if you actually tried to 
change anything in Word.

We have a lot of complex graphics in our Frame files:  For example, frames 
containing a screen shot, arrows, text boxes, cross references, etc. (the 
works).  Flare conversion seems to ignore or mishandle any graphic in which the 
screen shot is not alone in its Frame.  My memory is these other programs may 
also have trouble converting complex graphics.  Still,  there are a lot of 
configurable variables in Mif2go that I have not researched deeply.  So I will.

My Mif2Go version is from 2010.  Might an upgrade to Jeremy Griffith's last 
produced version be beneficial?  Is it even available anymore now that Jeremy 
Has passed?

Thank you again everyone!

Kevin Ryan
Technical Writer
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Welcome back! (Was: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs)

[Lea Rush]

Welcome  back to the fray, Richard!

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Subject: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

I'll second that. Mif2Go produces decent Word output right "out of the box," 
and you can customize it to a fare-thee-well.

BTW, hi everybody. I'm working again, and back on the list.

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RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Kevin Ryan]

Thank you to everyone who commented on my question.   Looks like I may have 
been underestimating the Mif2go program I have already!

I did a quick, non-scientific "convert to Word" comparison two or three years 
ago of FrameMaker 11 demo vs. Acrobat "save as Word" vs. Mif2go, and none of 
them really floated my boat at the time.  But having configured Mif2go to 
generate our online help quite nicely from FrameMaker I did gain a lot of 
respect for its capabilities.  "The book" describing how to use it is a bit 
daunting though!  "Thank you for purchasing a Boeing 747; here are your 
operating instructions."

I'm looking for a Word conversion that's not a Word "house of cards"I need 
something that can be editable and won't frustrate the editor with thousands of 
extraneous chewing gum formats whose sole purpose is surface look and not 
re-usability.  The Acrobat save as word output was laughable in that it seemed 
to duplicate the look of our FrameMaker documents perfectly, but simple things 
like word wrap from line to line and page to page were apparently not thought 
necessary by Adobe.  The documents would explode if you actually tried to 
change anything in Word.

We have a lot of complex graphics in our Frame files:  For example, frames 
containing a screen shot, arrows, text boxes, cross references, etc. (the 
works).  Flare conversion seems to ignore or mishandle any graphic in which the 
screen shot is not alone in its Frame.  My memory is these other programs may 
also have trouble converting complex graphics.  Still,  there are a lot of 
configurable variables in Mif2go that I have not researched deeply.  So I will.

My Mif2Go version is from 2010.  Might an upgrade to Jeremy Griffith's last 
produced version be beneficial?  Is it even available anymore now that Jeremy 
Has passed?

Thank you again everyone!

Kevin Ryan
Technical Writer
[cid:image001.jpg@01C97FA7.A9E51B40]
Systems & Software, Inc.
426 Industrial Avenue
Suite 140
Williston, VT 05495
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Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Art Campbell]

I'd second John. Current FM output ain't bad, and if you want better,
MIF2Go RTF is really good. I'd stick with FM and upgrade to a non-antique
version (speaking with 4 year's Flare experience) because that conversion
isn't really what Flare does better.

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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:39 PM, John Sgammato 
wrote:

> FM12 has very good output to Microsoft Word.
> I use it all the time for internal use.
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Kevin Ryan <
> kevin.r...@systemsandsoftware.net> wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from
>> Frame to Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly
>> the right way to go.
>>
>>
>>
>> My company's primary documentation output is PDF user/training/reference
>> guides authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the current Frame version, I know, but
>> sufficient with our good templates to produce solid, professional-looking
>> documents we're proud of. Other current deliverables include
>> context-sensitive HTML topics produced via Mif2go and a limited number of
>> "Process Assistance" MS Word topics.  These latter are a sort of MS-Word
>> help equivalent that our customers can download from our application, edit
>> if necessary, and even upload back into our application for others if they
>> want to. I create Process Assistance MS-Word topics by cutting from Frame
>> and pasting into Word, followed by manual reformatting (ouch).
>>
>>
>>
>> Our customers (utilities) have been requesting another MS Word output:
>> Editable MS Word versions of our 20-300 page PDF manuals so that they can
>> edit them for their own purposes (such as internal training).
>> Unfortunately, we've been unable to find a workable Frame-to-Word
>> conversion process to this end.  I can do manual reformatting to Word in
>> our short Process Assistance topics, but to do it on entire manuals would
>> give me a nervous breakdown.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, with better MS-Word output generation as my primary goal, I've been
>> considering a switch to Flare. Its capability to output in PDF, Word, and
>> HTML seems as though it might ultimately streamline our processes. As I
>> test Flare by my 30-day trial, though, I'm reminded of the many things
>> FrameMaker does really well — things I might be losing if I made the
>> switch:  For example, precise page layouts, complex graphics, robust
>> tables. To its credit, Flare seems to offer output versatility, excellent
>> documentation and support, and a lot of Marketing momentum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I misguiding myself?  Barking up the wrong tree?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any opinions or comments.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Kevin Ryan*
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> Suite 140
>>
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>>
>> 802.865.1170 phone
>>
>> 802.865.1171 fax
>>
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RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Craig Ede]

Full Acrobat has Save As options to .docx and doc that are not too bad. You 
wouldn't want to try to round-trip docs in and out of FrameMaker using that 
kind of workflow, however.

Craig

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RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Combs, Richard (CW)]

I'll second that. Mif2Go produces decent Word output right "out of the box," 
and you can customize it to a fare-thee-well.

BTW, hi everybody. I'm working again, and back on the list.

Richard

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To: 'Kevin Ryan'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

Hi Kevin,

If you are using Mif2Go for HTML, you can set it up to output RTF as well. This 
should satisfy the MS Word requirement and allow you to stay wit FrameMaker.

Rick

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Subject: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

Hi,

I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from Frame to 
Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly the right way 
to go.

My company's primary documentation output is PDF user/training/reference guides 
authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the current Frame version, I know, but sufficient 
with our good templates to produce solid, professional-looking documents we're 
proud of. Other current deliverables include context-sensitive HTML topics 
produced via Mif2go and a limited number of "Process Assistance" MS Word 
topics.  These latter are a sort of MS-Word help equivalent that our customers 
can download from our application, edit if necessary, and even upload back into 
our application for others if they want to. I create Process Assistance MS-Word 
topics by cutting from Frame and pasting into Word, followed by manual 
reformatting (ouch).

Our customers (utilities) have been requesting another MS Word output:  
Editable MS Word versions of our 20-300 page PDF manuals so that they can edit 
them for their own purposes (such as internal training).  Unfortunately, we've 
been unable to find a workable Frame-to-Word conversion process to this end.  I 
can do manual reformatting to Word in our short Process Assistance topics, but 
to do it on entire manuals would give me a nervous breakdown.

So, with better MS-Word output generation as my primary goal, I've been 
considering a switch to Flare. Its capability to output in PDF, Word, and HTML 
seems as though it might ultimately streamline our processes. As I test Flare 
by my 30-day trial, though, I'm reminded of the many things FrameMaker does 
really well - things I might be losing if I made the switch:  For example, 
precise page layouts, complex graphics, robust tables. To its credit, Flare 
seems to offer output versatility, excellent documentation and support, and a 
lot of Marketing momentum.

Am I misguiding myself?  Barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks for any opinions or comments.

Kevin Ryan
Technical Writer
[cid:image001.jpg@01D0510C.92499E60]
Systems & Software, Inc.
426 Industrial Avenue
Suite 140
Williston, VT 05495
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RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Craig, Alison]

Kevin:

When I absolutely have to provide someone with an RTF or Word version of a 
Frame manual, I use BCL easyConverter Desktop (Word Version) 
(http://www.pdfonline.com/easyconverter/).

It's $20 and produces better output than the Frame12 to RTF option - although 
it's definitely not perfect.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:21 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

Hi,

I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from Frame to 
Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly the right way 
to go.

My company's primary documentation output is PDF user/training/reference guides 
authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the current Frame version, I know, but sufficient 
with our good templates to produce solid, professional-looking documents we're 
proud of. Other current deliverables include context-sensitive HTML topics 
produced via Mif2go and a limited number of "Process Assistance" MS Word 
topics.  These latter are a sort of MS-Word help equivalent that our customers 
can download from our application, edit if necessary, and even upload back into 
our application for others if they want to. I create Process Assistance MS-Word 
topics by cutting from Frame and pasting into Word, followed by manual 
reformatting (ouch).

Our customers (utilities) have been requesting another MS Word output:  
Editable MS Word versions of our 20-300 page PDF manuals so that they can edit 
them for their own purposes (such as internal training).  Unfortunately, we've 
been unable to find a workable Frame-to-Word conversion process to this end.  I 
can do manual reformatting to Word in our short Process Assistance topics, but 
to do it on entire manuals would give me a nervous breakdown.

So, with better MS-Word output generation as my primary goal, I've been 
considering a switch to Flare. Its capability to output in PDF, Word, and HTML 
seems as though it might ultimately streamline our processes. As I test Flare 
by my 30-day trial, though, I'm reminded of the many things FrameMaker does 
really well - things I might be losing if I made the switch:  For example, 
precise page layouts, complex graphics, robust tables. To its credit, Flare 
seems to offer output versatility, excellent documentation and support, and a 
lot of Marketing momentum.

Am I misguiding myself?  Barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks for any opinions or comments.

Kevin Ryan
Technical Writer
[cid:image001.jpg@01C97FA7.A9E51B40]
Systems & Software, Inc.
426 Industrial Avenue
Suite 140
Williston, VT 05495
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Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Robert Lauriston]

Have you tried MIF2Go's Word output? It worked great for me.

RoboHelp can also convert FrameMaker to Word, but I think MIF2Go is
better. You might also try FrameMaker 12 (you could just use one copy
as a conversion tool).

If your outputs are PDF and Word, I think switching to Flare would
cause more pain than it would alleviate. WYSIWYG preview of PDF is a
huge advantage.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Kevin Ryan
 wrote:
>
> I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from Frame 
> to Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly the 
> right way to go.
>
> My company's primary documentation output is PDF user/training/reference 
> guides authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the current Frame version, I know, but 
> sufficient with our good templates to produce solid, professional-looking 
> documents we're proud of. Other current deliverables include 
> context-sensitive HTML topics produced via Mif2go and a limited number of 
> "Process Assistance" MS Word topics.  These latter are a sort of MS-Word help 
> equivalent that our customers can download from our application, edit if 
> necessary, and even upload back into our application for others if they want 
> to. I create Process Assistance MS-Word topics by cutting from Frame and 
> pasting into Word, followed by manual reformatting (ouch).
> Our customers (utilities) have been requesting another MS Word output:  
> Editable MS Word versions of our 20-300 page PDF manuals so that they can 
> edit them for their own purposes (such as internal training).  Unfortunately, 
> we've been unable to find a workable Frame-to-Word conversion process to this 
> end.  I can do manual reformatting to Word in our short Process Assistance 
> topics, but to do it on entire manuals would give me a nervous breakdown.
>
> So, with better MS-Word output generation as my primary goal, I've been 
> considering a switch to Flare. Its capability to output in PDF, Word, and 
> HTML seems as though it might ultimately streamline our processes. As I test 
> Flare by my 30-day trial, though, I'm reminded of the many things FrameMaker 
> does really well — things I might be losing if I made the switch:  For 
> example, precise page layouts, complex graphics, robust tables. To its 
> credit, Flare seems to offer output versatility, excellent documentation and 
> support, and a lot of Marketing momentum.
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Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Lin Sims]

As I recall, Mif2Go should output pretty darn spiffy Word documents,
although you may have to fiddle with it a bit to get what you want.

Acrobat 10 (I think) and later will save PDFs to Word format, although
everything will be in modified Normal (no style-name information is carried
through, but the document WILL look the same as it does in PDF). Depending
on what they want to do, that might be sufficient.

Are the customers going to sign something legally binding that says, "we
edited it, so any mistakes are our responsibility"?

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Kevin Ryan <
kevin.r...@systemsandsoftware.net> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>
>
> I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from
> Frame to Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly
> the right way to go.
>
>
>
> My company's primary documentation output is PDF user/training/reference
> guides authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the current Frame version, I know, but
> sufficient with our good templates to produce solid, professional-looking
> documents we're proud of. Other current deliverables include
> context-sensitive HTML topics produced via Mif2go and a limited number of
> "Process Assistance" MS Word topics.  These latter are a sort of MS-Word
> help equivalent that our customers can download from our application, edit
> if necessary, and even upload back into our application for others if they
> want to. I create Process Assistance MS-Word topics by cutting from Frame
> and pasting into Word, followed by manual reformatting (ouch).
>
>
>
> Our customers (utilities) have been requesting another MS Word output:
> Editable MS Word versions of our 20-300 page PDF manuals so that they can
> edit them for their own purposes (such as internal training).
> Unfortunately, we've been unable to find a workable Frame-to-Word
> conversion process to this end.  I can do manual reformatting to Word in
> our short Process Assistance topics, but to do it on entire manuals would
> give me a nervous breakdown.
>
>
>
> So, with better MS-Word output generation as my primary goal, I've been
> considering a switch to Flare. Its capability to output in PDF, Word, and
> HTML seems as though it might ultimately streamline our processes. As I
> test Flare by my 30-day trial, though, I'm reminded of the many things
> FrameMaker does really well — things I might be losing if I made the
> switch:  For example, precise page layouts, complex graphics, robust
> tables. To its credit, Flare seems to offer output versatility, excellent
> documentation and support, and a lot of Marketing momentum.
>
>
>
> Am I misguiding myself?  Barking up the wrong tree?
>
>
>
> Thanks for any opinions or comments.
>
>
>
> *Kevin Ryan*
>
> *Technical Writer*
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01C97FA7.A9E51B40]
>
> Systems & Software, Inc.
>
> 426 Industrial Avenue
>
> Suite 140
>
> Williston, VT 05495
>
> 802.865.1170 phone
>
> 802.865.1171 fax
>
>
>
>
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Acrobat: Need to delete Shared Review profile

[Lin Sims]

You know how, when you set up a shared review and specify that you want to
use your own server to collect comments, it let's you save all your choices
to a named profile?

I've got a few obsolete ones, but I can't find anyway to delete them. I
really need to, as having them is a trifle confusing.

IS there a way? I've searched Acrobat help and used Google, but I can't
find anything that addresses this. Which means I'm either using the wrong
terms, or it isn't possible without a reinstall, which would be just UGLY.

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Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[David Spreadbury]

Have you given Mif2Go a try at converting your Frame docs to Word?You use it 
now for HTML, it will also handle Word conversions.
Dave Spreadbury 

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:23 PM, Kevin Ryan 
 wrote:
   

  Hi, I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from 
Frame to Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly the 
right way to go.   My company's primary documentation output is PDF 
user/training/reference guides authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the current Frame 
version, I know, but sufficient with our good templates to produce solid, 
professional-looking documents we're proud of. Other current deliverables 
include context-sensitive HTML topics produced via Mif2go and a limited number 
of "Process Assistance" MS Word topics.  These latter are a sort of MS-Word 
help equivalent that our customers can download from our application, edit if 
necessary, and even upload back into our application for others if they want 
to. I create Process Assistance MS-Word topics by cutting from Frame and 
pasting into Word, followed by manual reformatting (ouch).  Our customers 
(utilities) have been requesting another MS Word output:  Editable MS Word 
versions of our 20-300 page PDF manuals so that they can edit them for their 
own purposes (such as internal training).  Unfortunately, we've been unable to 
find a workable Frame-to-Word conversion process to this end.  I can do manual 
reformatting to Word in our short Process Assistance topics, but to do it on 
entire manuals would give me a nervous breakdown. So, with better MS-Word 
output generation as my primary goal, I've been considering a switch to Flare. 
Its capability to output in PDF, Word, and HTML seems as though it might 
ultimately streamline our processes. As I test Flare by my 30-day trial, 
though, I'm reminded of the many things FrameMaker does really well — things I 
might be losing if I made the switch:  For example, precise page layouts, 
complex graphics, robust tables. To its credit, Flare seems to offer output 
versatility, excellent documentation and support, and a lot of Marketing 
momentum.  Am I misguiding myself?  Barking up the wrong tree?   Thanks for any 
opinions or comments. Kevin RyanTechnical WriterSystems & Software, Inc.426 
Industrial AvenueSuite 140Williston, VT 05495802.865.1170
 phone802.865.1171
 fax  
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CMYK bug fixed? RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Craig Ede]

We, too, have been using 12.0.4 since release. But, unfortunately, the CMYK 
still bites us. Adobe is looking at our files to figure out what is up. Falling 
back to FM 11 for now for the CMYK stuff.

Craig

> From: david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 02:35:34 -0600
> Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
> 
> Alison,
> I've been using Frame 12.0.4 from the day it came out,
> as it fixed the "Save as CMYK PDF" bug, which was clobbering my workflow.
> Have still gotten crashes with 12.0.4 but twas ever thus... I just send the 
> crash log to fmer...@adobe.com and keep smiling.
> David
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Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[John Sgammato]

FM12 has very good output to Microsoft Word.
I use it all the time for internal use.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Kevin Ryan <
kevin.r...@systemsandsoftware.net> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>
>
> I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from
> Frame to Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly
> the right way to go.
>
>
>
> My company's primary documentation output is PDF user/training/reference
> guides authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the current Frame version, I know, but
> sufficient with our good templates to produce solid, professional-looking
> documents we're proud of. Other current deliverables include
> context-sensitive HTML topics produced via Mif2go and a limited number of
> "Process Assistance" MS Word topics.  These latter are a sort of MS-Word
> help equivalent that our customers can download from our application, edit
> if necessary, and even upload back into our application for others if they
> want to. I create Process Assistance MS-Word topics by cutting from Frame
> and pasting into Word, followed by manual reformatting (ouch).
>
>
>
> Our customers (utilities) have been requesting another MS Word output:
> Editable MS Word versions of our 20-300 page PDF manuals so that they can
> edit them for their own purposes (such as internal training).
> Unfortunately, we've been unable to find a workable Frame-to-Word
> conversion process to this end.  I can do manual reformatting to Word in
> our short Process Assistance topics, but to do it on entire manuals would
> give me a nervous breakdown.
>
>
>
> So, with better MS-Word output generation as my primary goal, I've been
> considering a switch to Flare. Its capability to output in PDF, Word, and
> HTML seems as though it might ultimately streamline our processes. As I
> test Flare by my 30-day trial, though, I'm reminded of the many things
> FrameMaker does really well — things I might be losing if I made the
> switch:  For example, precise page layouts, complex graphics, robust
> tables. To its credit, Flare seems to offer output versatility, excellent
> documentation and support, and a lot of Marketing momentum.
>
>
>
> Am I misguiding myself?  Barking up the wrong tree?
>
>
>
> Thanks for any opinions or comments.
>
>
>
> *Kevin Ryan*
>
> *Technical Writer*
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01C97FA7.A9E51B40]
>
> Systems & Software, Inc.
>
> 426 Industrial Avenue
>
> Suite 140
>
> Williston, VT 05495
>
> 802.865.1170 phone
>
> 802.865.1171 fax
>
>
>
>
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> 
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RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Kevin,

 

If you are using Mif2Go for HTML, you can set it up to output RTF as well.
This should satisfy the MS Word requirement and allow you to stay wit
FrameMaker.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Ryan
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:21 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

 

Hi,

 

I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from Frame
to Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly the
right way to go.  

  

My company's primary documentation output is PDF user/training/reference
guides authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the current Frame version, I know, but
sufficient with our good templates to produce solid, professional-looking
documents we're proud of. Other current deliverables include
context-sensitive HTML topics produced via Mif2go and a limited number of
"Process Assistance" MS Word topics.  These latter are a sort of MS-Word
help equivalent that our customers can download from our application, edit
if necessary, and even upload back into our application for others if they
want to. I create Process Assistance MS-Word topics by cutting from Frame
and pasting into Word, followed by manual reformatting (ouch).  

 

Our customers (utilities) have been requesting another MS Word output:
Editable MS Word versions of our 20-300 page PDF manuals so that they can
edit them for their own purposes (such as internal training).
Unfortunately, we've been unable to find a workable Frame-to-Word conversion
process to this end.  I can do manual reformatting to Word in our short
Process Assistance topics, but to do it on entire manuals would give me a
nervous breakdown. 

 

So, with better MS-Word output generation as my primary goal, I've been
considering a switch to Flare. Its capability to output in PDF, Word, and
HTML seems as though it might ultimately streamline our processes. As I test
Flare by my 30-day trial, though, I'm reminded of the many things FrameMaker
does really well - things I might be losing if I made the switch:  For
example, precise page layouts, complex graphics, robust tables. To its
credit, Flare seems to offer output versatility, excellent documentation and
support, and a lot of Marketing momentum. 

 

Am I misguiding myself?  Barking up the wrong tree?  

 

Thanks for any opinions or comments.

 

Kevin Ryan

Technical Writer

cid:image001.jpg@01C97FA7.A9E51B40

Systems & Software, Inc.

426 Industrial Avenue 

Suite 140

Williston, VT 05495

802.865.1170 phone

802.865.1171 fax

 

 


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Re: Problem with master pages and pagination settings

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Pat, 

I checked our standard XML-workflow: We are also using a special first
master page which is assigned to the first (and only) page of the
template. 

After loading the XML content, the standard left and right master pages
are used after the first page. The setting for the template is "Delete
empty pages". 

We had no problems with this so far. 

I checked with FM 8 and FM 12. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

 Christenson, Pat: 

> I have a template with a custom master page on the first page. Pagination is 
> set to Before Saving & Printing, Delete Empty Pages. The template is 1 page 
> with boilerplate content. Content in each document flows onto new pages. 
> 
> Here's the problem: the new pages all use the custom first master page, not 
> master page Right. 
> 
> I've discovered that changing the Before Saving & Printing setting in the 
> template to Make Page Count Even in the template corrects this (new pages use 
> master page Right) but these documents aren't supposed to have empty pages. 
> 
> The 2 fixes I've developed are: 
> 
> - In the template, set Before Saving & Printing to Make Page Count Even. 
> After content is final in a document, set it to Delete Empty Pages. 
> 
> OR 
> 
> - In the template, add empty paragraphs to flow onto a second page, then set 
> Before Saving & Printing to Delete Empty Pages. In a document, delete the 
> empty paragraphs after inserting real content. 
> 
> Any other suggestions? 
> 
> Pat Christenson 
> 
> Resource Coordinator 
> 
> Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications 
> 
> pchristen...@ftportfolios.com
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Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Kevin Ryan]

Hi,

I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from Frame to 
Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly the right way 
to go.

My company's primary documentation output is PDF user/training/reference guides 
authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the current Frame version, I know, but sufficient 
with our good templates to produce solid, professional-looking documents we're 
proud of. Other current deliverables include context-sensitive HTML topics 
produced via Mif2go and a limited number of "Process Assistance" MS Word 
topics.  These latter are a sort of MS-Word help equivalent that our customers 
can download from our application, edit if necessary, and even upload back into 
our application for others if they want to. I create Process Assistance MS-Word 
topics by cutting from Frame and pasting into Word, followed by manual 
reformatting (ouch).

Our customers (utilities) have been requesting another MS Word output:  
Editable MS Word versions of our 20-300 page PDF manuals so that they can edit 
them for their own purposes (such as internal training).  Unfortunately, we've 
been unable to find a workable Frame-to-Word conversion process to this end.  I 
can do manual reformatting to Word in our short Process Assistance topics, but 
to do it on entire manuals would give me a nervous breakdown.

So, with better MS-Word output generation as my primary goal, I've been 
considering a switch to Flare. Its capability to output in PDF, Word, and HTML 
seems as though it might ultimately streamline our processes. As I test Flare 
by my 30-day trial, though, I'm reminded of the many things FrameMaker does 
really well - things I might be losing if I made the switch:  For example, 
precise page layouts, complex graphics, robust tables. To its credit, Flare 
seems to offer output versatility, excellent documentation and support, and a 
lot of Marketing momentum.

Am I misguiding myself?  Barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks for any opinions or comments.

Kevin Ryan
Technical Writer
[cid:image001.jpg@01C97FA7.A9E51B40]
Systems & Software, Inc.
426 Industrial Avenue
Suite 140
Williston, VT 05495
802.865.1170 phone
802.865.1171 fax



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RE: Problem with master pages and pagination settings

[Rick Quatro]

I sent this to the list by mistake. I am sorry about that.

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:25 PM
To: 'Christenson, Pat'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Problem with master pages and pagination settings

 

Hi Pat,

 

I will be glad to look at this for you if you have a little time. I am free
for the next hour. Let me know if this is a good time and I will send you a
meeting link.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Christenson, Pat
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:23 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Problem with master pages and pagination settings

 

I have a template with a custom master page on the first page. Pagination is
set to Before Saving & Printing, Delete Empty Pages. The template is 1 page
with boilerplate content. Content in each document flows onto new pages.

 

Here's the problem: the new pages all use the custom first master page, not
master page Right. 

 

I've discovered that changing the Before Saving & Printing setting in the
template to Make Page Count Even in the template corrects this (new pages
use master page Right) but these documents aren't supposed to have empty
pages.

 

The 2 fixes I've developed are:

-  In the template,  set Before Saving & Printing to Make Page Count
Even. After content is final in a document, set it to Delete Empty Pages.

OR

-  In the template,  add empty paragraphs to flow onto a second
page, then set Before Saving & Printing to Delete Empty Pages. In a
document, delete the empty paragraphs after inserting real content.

 

Any other suggestions?

 

Pat Christenson

Resource Coordinator

Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications

pchristen...@ftportfolios.com

 

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RE: Problem with master pages and pagination settings

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Pat,

 

I will be glad to look at this for you if you have a little time. I am free
for the next hour. Let me know if this is a good time and I will send you a
meeting link.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Christenson, Pat
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:23 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Problem with master pages and pagination settings

 

I have a template with a custom master page on the first page. Pagination is
set to Before Saving & Printing, Delete Empty Pages. The template is 1 page
with boilerplate content. Content in each document flows onto new pages.

 

Here's the problem: the new pages all use the custom first master page, not
master page Right. 

 

I've discovered that changing the Before Saving & Printing setting in the
template to Make Page Count Even in the template corrects this (new pages
use master page Right) but these documents aren't supposed to have empty
pages.

 

The 2 fixes I've developed are:

-  In the template,  set Before Saving & Printing to Make Page Count
Even. After content is final in a document, set it to Delete Empty Pages.

OR

-  In the template,  add empty paragraphs to flow onto a second
page, then set Before Saving & Printing to Delete Empty Pages. In a
document, delete the empty paragraphs after inserting real content.

 

Any other suggestions?

 

Pat Christenson

Resource Coordinator

Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications

pchristen...@ftportfolios.com

 

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Problem with master pages and pagination settings

[Christenson, Pat]

I have a template with a custom master page on the first page. Pagination is 
set to Before Saving & Printing, Delete Empty Pages. The template is 1 page 
with boilerplate content. Content in each document flows onto new pages.

Here's the problem: the new pages all use the custom first master page, not 
master page Right.

I've discovered that changing the Before Saving & Printing setting in the 
template to Make Page Count Even in the template corrects this (new pages use 
master page Right) but these documents aren't supposed to have empty pages.

The 2 fixes I've developed are:

-In the template,  set Before Saving & Printing to Make Page Count 
Even. After content is final in a document, set it to Delete Empty Pages.
OR

-In the template,  add empty paragraphs to flow onto a second page, 
then set Before Saving & Printing to Delete Empty Pages. In a document, delete 
the empty paragraphs after inserting real content.

Any other suggestions?

Pat Christenson
Resource Coordinator
Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
pchristen...@ftportfolios.com

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xrefs to figures within topics not rendering

[Robert Carel]

I'm testing xrefs for DITA 1.2 topics (FM 12). Cross references to topics 
within the same file or in other files work fine, but when I cross-reference to 
a figure element () inside a topic, the cross-reference text generates 
fine in FM but does not show up in any output formats (responsive HTML, PDF, 
webhelp, and so forth).

I think it has something to do with the way the hrefs are rendered or 
constructed. The href for the xref is of the form #/ whereas 
none of the other xrefs that work have this compound href with the slash.

Any recommendations?

Robert Carel
Technical Publications Manager
O: 925.659.3200  |  M: 925.659.3267  |  twitter: @accelasoftware

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ANN: XSLT Services

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

If you have XML that needs transformation to or from FrameMaker, InDesign,
HTML, ePub, databases, etc., I am now offering XSLT services. As always,
consultation meetings and, in some cases, prototypes are no cost. Please let
me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.

Rick

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585-366-4017
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Re: User interface view option customization

[Shmuel]

Correct. "Set window to page" would only apply to the current tab. But 
again, you could select all files in book and then select View>Zoom>Set 
window to page (or Alt+v,z,w).


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On 25-Feb-15 12:48 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

At 10:14 + 25/2/15, Steve Rickaby wrote:


I guess what I was hoping for was that 'fit window to page' could somehow be 
set to be the default state of a document view. Maybe it cannot. As FrameMaker 
can now save workspaces, it would be nice if a saved workspace included view 
defaults, but maybe they don't quite fit the paradigm.

It gets worse! When two or more documents are open in a tabbed view, switching 
document tabs often seems to remove the 'set window to page' setting. This is 
really annoying, and with the workspace I've got set up, means that a bunch of 
pods on the right-hand side (I'm left-handed) are repeatedly overlaid by a 
large blank gray area, requiring 'set window to page' to be repeatedly 
re-selected again. Can this really be the intended behavior?

I'm running FrameMaker 12 under Win7 in Parallels, but that should not make any 
difference, although what happens when switching views sometimes seems to be 
affected by whether or not full-screen viewing is enabled. An app like 
FrameMaker shouldn't make more fingerwork for users.

I guess I'm just grumbling, so I'll stop, but it anyone has experience of 
taming document window behavior in when using FrameMaker in Parallels I'd be 
happy to hear about it.
  


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Re: User interface view option customization

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:14 + 25/2/15, Steve Rickaby wrote:

>I guess what I was hoping for was that 'fit window to page' could somehow be 
>set to be the default state of a document view. Maybe it cannot. As FrameMaker 
>can now save workspaces, it would be nice if a saved workspace included view 
>defaults, but maybe they don't quite fit the paradigm.

It gets worse! When two or more documents are open in a tabbed view, switching 
document tabs often seems to remove the 'set window to page' setting. This is 
really annoying, and with the workspace I've got set up, means that a bunch of 
pods on the right-hand side (I'm left-handed) are repeatedly overlaid by a 
large blank gray area, requiring 'set window to page' to be repeatedly 
re-selected again. Can this really be the intended behavior?

I'm running FrameMaker 12 under Win7 in Parallels, but that should not make any 
difference, although what happens when switching views sometimes seems to be 
affected by whether or not full-screen viewing is enabled. An app like 
FrameMaker shouldn't make more fingerwork for users.

I guess I'm just grumbling, so I'll stop, but it anyone has experience of 
taming document window behavior in when using FrameMaker in Parallels I'd be 
happy to hear about it.
 
-- 
Steve
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Re: User interface view option customization

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:27 +0200 25/2/15, Shmuel wrote:

>The view size is saved with each file. If you change the view size it's 
>considered a change to the file, and the Save button becomes active so that 
>you can save the change. Since that's the way FM works, I don't see how there 
>could be any option for a default view (unless you mean the default view size 
>for a new document).

You are right, of course. My bad for not being sufficiently clear in my 
posting. Yes, the zoom size is saved with the document. What I'm getting sick 
of is having to repeatedly re-select 'fit window to page' every time I open a 
document. As this is in the same menu as the document zoom setting, I'd lumped 
it in together with the zoom setting in my mind.

>You could change the view size of all files in a book at once by selecting all 
>the files in the book window and then selecting View>Zoom>100%. This changes 
>the view size of all files, even if they are closed. It took me a long time to 
>figure this out. This is a big time saver.

Sure: it took me a long time to figure it out too, and yes it is ;-)

I guess what I was hoping for was that 'fit window to page' could somehow be 
set to be the default state of a document view. Maybe it cannot. As FrameMaker 
can now save workspaces, it would be nice if a saved workspace included view 
defaults, but maybe they don't quite fit the paradigm.

-- 
Steve
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Re: User interface view option customization

[Shmuel]

  
  
The view size is saved with each file. If you change the view size
it's considered a change to the file, and the Save button becomes
active so that you can save the change. Since that's the way FM
works, I don't see how there could be any option for a default view
(unless you mean the default view size for a new document). 

You could change the view size of all files in a book at once by
selecting all the files in the book window and then selecting
View>Zoom>100%. This changes the view size of all files, even
if they are closed. It took me a long time to figure this out. This
is a big time saver.

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Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133 

On 24-Feb-15 9:31 PM, David Spreadbury wrote:

  Do a search for
  "framemaker_11_ini_reference" (without the quotes or go to http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/ini/framemaker_11_ini_reference.pdf.
  There
  are a couple settings listed in this document that might do
  just what you are looking for.
  Dave
  

  
  

  
  On Tuesday,
February 24, 2015 1:02 PM, Jeff Coatsworth
 wrote:
   


I thought it was stored in the
  document - Klaus Daube may have something in his
  explorations of the maker.ini that sheds some light for
  you.
  

  


  

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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Davis, David]

Alison,
I've been using Frame 12.0.4 from the day it came out,
as it fixed the "Save as CMYK PDF" bug, which was clobbering my workflow.
Have still gotten crashes with 12.0.4 but twas ever thus... I just send the 
crash log to fmer...@adobe.com and keep smiling.
David

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:57:42 +
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Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
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Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison

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