Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-28 Thread Lin Sims
Come to think of it, I also opened a bug in Tracker for this specific
issue: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-9315


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:45 AM Lin Sims  wrote:

> I was contacted by an Adobe developer because I participate in the beta
> testers program for FrameMaker, and I posted this as an issue on the
> discussion board.
>
> I've also added a feature request to Tracker to have a new preference
> added for saving PDFs to the directory containing the source files, because
> I f***ing hate the way the Publish pod keeps dropping stuff into a
> subdirectory of whatever the last directory you saved PDFs to was, which is
> just PANTS as far as I'm concerned. If anyone wants to vote for it, you can
> find it here: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-9286
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:36 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
> wrote:
>
>> That is great, Lin. It would be good if they fix this issue!
>>
>> It is not clear where it is occurring. Although I suspect it is in
>> Acrobat Pro, since I am not generating a new file from FrameMaker - just
>> combining other PDF files containing Source Sans Pro with file size
>> reduction - each of which independently is fine.
>>
>> Z
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers 
>> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 2:09 PM
>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>>
>> For those who may (or may not) be interested, I tried creating a PDF from
>> the same TOC file after substituting different fonts in. The PDF generated
>> from the TOCs using either Open Sans or Calibri were even WORSE than the
>> one created using Source Sans Pro. However, the one generated from a TOC
>> using ARIAL as the font generated perfectly. It must be some interaction
>> between the font and the PDF engine.
>>
>> I had a coworker try to generate a PDF from the original TOC using the
>> Source Sans Pro and he got the same result I did, so it is not just my
>> machine having the issue. An Adobe developer contact me today about this
>> and requested sample files, which I have sent. Here's hoping someone comes
>> up with a clue on what is happening and why!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 8:09 AM Lin Sims  wrote:
>>
>> > The last time I was successful was August 2019 and I was using FM2019,
>> > so yes, that's changed.
>> > Acrobat is on subscription, so that's changed.
>> > Windows has updated a time or two, so that's changed.
>> > This is the only document this is happening in, but it's also the only
>> > document using the word "Software" in a heading that's pulled into the
>> TOC.
>> >
>> > There's not a lot I can do about any of those changes, and as long as
>> > the tried and true File > Print Book works, I've a viable workaround.
>> > It's just that it's a long time to process viable workaround.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter Gold
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:31 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Sometimes they do, and they also wander through the Adobe
>> >> > FrameMaker
>> >> forum
>> >> > from time to time. I might ping Amitoj and ask him to read this
>> >> > thread
>> >> and
>> >> > the concurrent thread there. Or enter a bug in the tracker, but
>> >> > this is such an oddball occurrence ...
>> >> >
>> >> > The really weird thing is that the last time I created a PDF from
>> >> > this document was in August 2019, with FM2019, and it worked
>> >> > perfectly with
>> >> Save
>> >> > As PDF.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I learned from my doctors that if you're having different symptoms
>> >> after years on the same doses of the same meds, sometimes the cause
>> >> is the body's changed. So, since the last time you were successful
>> >> with your same workflow, has Windows been upgraded or patched, or FM?
>> >> Or the font? Or the internal FM>PDF stuff? Hey, it's not rocket
>> >> science, but it is science. :)
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Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-28 Thread Lin Sims
I was contacted by an Adobe developer because I participate in the beta
testers program for FrameMaker, and I posted this as an issue on the
discussion board.

I've also added a feature request to Tracker to have a new preference added
for saving PDFs to the directory containing the source files, because I
f***ing hate the way the Publish pod keeps dropping stuff into a
subdirectory of whatever the last directory you saved PDFs to was, which is
just PANTS as far as I'm concerned. If anyone wants to vote for it, you can
find it here: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-9286

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:36 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:

> That is great, Lin. It would be good if they fix this issue!
>
> It is not clear where it is occurring. Although I suspect it is in Acrobat
> Pro, since I am not generating a new file from FrameMaker - just combining
> other PDF files containing Source Sans Pro with file size reduction - each
> of which independently is fine.
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 2:09 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>
> For those who may (or may not) be interested, I tried creating a PDF from
> the same TOC file after substituting different fonts in. The PDF generated
> from the TOCs using either Open Sans or Calibri were even WORSE than the
> one created using Source Sans Pro. However, the one generated from a TOC
> using ARIAL as the font generated perfectly. It must be some interaction
> between the font and the PDF engine.
>
> I had a coworker try to generate a PDF from the original TOC using the
> Source Sans Pro and he got the same result I did, so it is not just my
> machine having the issue. An Adobe developer contact me today about this
> and requested sample files, which I have sent. Here's hoping someone comes
> up with a clue on what is happening and why!
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 8:09 AM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > The last time I was successful was August 2019 and I was using FM2019,
> > so yes, that's changed.
> > Acrobat is on subscription, so that's changed.
> > Windows has updated a time or two, so that's changed.
> > This is the only document this is happening in, but it's also the only
> > document using the word "Software" in a heading that's pulled into the
> TOC.
> >
> > There's not a lot I can do about any of those changes, and as long as
> > the tried and true File > Print Book works, I've a viable workaround.
> > It's just that it's a long time to process viable workaround.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter Gold
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:31 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
> >>
> >> > Sometimes they do, and they also wander through the Adobe
> >> > FrameMaker
> >> forum
> >> > from time to time. I might ping Amitoj and ask him to read this
> >> > thread
> >> and
> >> > the concurrent thread there. Or enter a bug in the tracker, but
> >> > this is such an oddball occurrence ...
> >> >
> >> > The really weird thing is that the last time I created a PDF from
> >> > this document was in August 2019, with FM2019, and it worked
> >> > perfectly with
> >> Save
> >> > As PDF.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I learned from my doctors that if you're having different symptoms
> >> after years on the same doses of the same meds, sometimes the cause
> >> is the body's changed. So, since the last time you were successful
> >> with your same workflow, has Windows been upgraded or patched, or FM?
> >> Or the font? Or the internal FM>PDF stuff? Hey, it's not rocket
> >> science, but it is science. :)
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Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-25 Thread Lin Sims
For those who may (or may not) be interested, I tried creating a PDF from
the same TOC file after substituting different fonts in. The PDF generated
from the TOCs using either Open Sans or Calibri were even WORSE than the
one created using Source Sans Pro. However, the one generated from a TOC
using ARIAL as the font generated perfectly. It must be some interaction
between the font and the PDF engine.

I had a coworker try to generate a PDF from the original TOC using the
Source Sans Pro and he got the same result I did, so it is not just my
machine having the issue. An Adobe developer contact me today about this
and requested sample files, which I have sent. Here's hoping someone comes
up with a clue on what is happening and why!

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 8:09 AM Lin Sims  wrote:

> The last time I was successful was August 2019 and I was using FM2019, so
> yes, that's changed.
> Acrobat is on subscription, so that's changed.
> Windows has updated a time or two, so that's changed.
> This is the only document this is happening in, but it's also the only
> document using the word "Software" in a heading that's pulled into the TOC.
>
> There's not a lot I can do about any of those changes, and as long as the
> tried and true File > Print Book works, I've a viable workaround. It's just
> that it's a long time to process viable workaround.
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter Gold 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:31 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>>
>> > Sometimes they do, and they also wander through the Adobe FrameMaker
>> forum
>> > from time to time. I might ping Amitoj and ask him to read this thread
>> and
>> > the concurrent thread there. Or enter a bug in the tracker, but this is
>> > such an oddball occurrence ...
>> >
>> > The really weird thing is that the last time I created a PDF from this
>> > document was in August 2019, with FM2019, and it worked perfectly with
>> Save
>> > As PDF.
>> >
>>
>> I learned from my doctors that if you're having different symptoms after
>> years on the same doses of the same meds, sometimes the cause is the
>> body's
>> changed. So, since the last time you were successful with your same
>> workflow, has Windows been upgraded or patched, or FM? Or the font? Or the
>> internal FM>PDF stuff? Hey, it's not rocket science, but it is science. :)
>> ___
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Re: [Framers] Character codes

2020-09-24 Thread Lin Sims
You mean, select the character in an .fm file and have FrameMaker tell you
what the ANSI/ASCII or UNICODE codepoint is?

If that's what you mean, then no. I don't think you can even get that from
the MIF file.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 8:54 AM Doug  wrote:

> Is there a way to select a character in Frame and have it tell you what
> computer code it represents?  Some special characters have multiple codes
> that will display them.
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-18 Thread Lin Sims
The last time I was successful was August 2019 and I was using FM2019, so
yes, that's changed.
Acrobat is on subscription, so that's changed.
Windows has updated a time or two, so that's changed.
This is the only document this is happening in, but it's also the only
document using the word "Software" in a heading that's pulled into the TOC.

There's not a lot I can do about any of those changes, and as long as the
tried and true File > Print Book works, I've a viable workaround. It's just
that it's a long time to process viable workaround.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:31 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > Sometimes they do, and they also wander through the Adobe FrameMaker
> forum
> > from time to time. I might ping Amitoj and ask him to read this thread
> and
> > the concurrent thread there. Or enter a bug in the tracker, but this is
> > such an oddball occurrence ...
> >
> > The really weird thing is that the last time I created a PDF from this
> > document was in August 2019, with FM2019, and it worked perfectly with
> Save
> > As PDF.
> >
>
> I learned from my doctors that if you're having different symptoms after
> years on the same doses of the same meds, sometimes the cause is the body's
> changed. So, since the last time you were successful with your same
> workflow, has Windows been upgraded or patched, or FM? Or the font? Or the
> internal FM>PDF stuff? Hey, it's not rocket science, but it is science. :)
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Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-15 Thread Lin Sims
Sometimes they do, and they also wander through the Adobe FrameMaker forum
from time to time. I might ping Amitoj and ask him to read this thread and
the concurrent thread there. Or enter a bug in the tracker, but this is
such an oddball occurrence ...

The really weird thing is that the last time I created a PDF from this
document was in August 2019, with FM2019, and it worked perfectly with Save
As PDF.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:17 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:

> Yes, indeed, Wonderland and not good! ... :(
>
> I don't have a TOC in my document - it is a combination of other PDF docs
> - so I cannot comment on that issue you have found!
>
> Certainly sounds like it may be worth reporting to Adobe ... perhaps they
> are monitoring this list. :) Or if somebody with a support agreement can
> duplicate my finding and report it.
>
> I am going to try to find some time to test FlexiPDF, to see if it can
> combine those documents into a large PDF, what size file it creates,
> whether the output there results in an Acrobat Pro problem, etc.
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:16 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>
> Interesting. The problem is that you're seeing the issue after using
> Reduce Size. I'm seeing it before any edits or size reduction is made to
> the PDF.
> I'm not entirely certain the issues are related, but I am no Acrobat
> expert. I basically have a joboptions file that I attach and then I forget
> about it because I'm not doing anything fancy, just creating PDFs for use
> by customers.
>
> Again, the text is messed up only in the TOC after I turn the book into a
> PDF. In the file with the headings that are being included in the TOC, the
> text displays perfectly in both the Frame file and in the PDF created from
> it.
>
> I've never seen the error message you mention, either.
>
> I don't think I like this version of Wonderland ...
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 7:10 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
> wrote:
>
> > Okay ... after experimentation to see what I am experiencing.
> >
> > I recreated the large PDF original with 750 pages from the source
> > files ("combined" other PDF files in Acrobat Pro). It is 53 Mbytes in
> size.
> >
> > This _original_ file is fine within Acrobat Pro and FlexiPDF - no
> > error messages and they display fine too.
> >
> > However, when I save this original PDF as a new PDF file with the
> > "Reduce PDF size" option selected, the result is screwed up - even
> > though it does get reduced to 34 Mbytes in size!
> >
> > The pages with Source Sans Pro text then get the message I mentioned
> > below when I read it back into Acrobat Pro! With FlexiPDF, the output
> > has overlapping text on those pages - messed up display of the page.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, this clearly appears to be a bug in Acrobat
> > Pro (the latest version) that *creates* this problem.
> >
> > Also means that I have to stop using the "Reduce PDF size" option -
> > particularly if I use Source Sans Pro, I guess! And live with the
> > larger file size.
> >
> > I would love for somebody to duplicate my results ... argh!
> >
> > Z
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > 
> > On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 3:22 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
> >
> > Interesting!
> >
> > The page works in FlexiPDF (my other tool), albeit with some
> > overlapping text (probably implying a font problem, I guess).
> >
> > In Adobe Acrobat Pro, I get an error message and no text whatsoever.
> >
> > Hmmm ... I will reload the font and see what happens ...
> >
> > Z
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > 
> > On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 3:10 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
> >
> > Hmmm ... I don't know if the attached screen-capture will come through
> > on this list, but this is the message I get.
> >
> > It is a pop-up window from Adobe Acrobat that says "The font
> > 'SourceSansPro' contains bad /Widths."
> >
&g

Re: [Framers] Spellcheck fun ... was RE: Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-14 Thread Lin Sims
I *knew *it was pretty much the same as client server.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 5:43 PM Sean  wrote:

> And, now, we are moving back to cloud-server environments, only this time
> they call it “the cloud” rather than a “Digital Vax."
>
> > On Sep 13, 2020, at 9:47 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
> wrote:
> >
> > Peter Gold said:
> >
> >> AHA! It's a secret plot of some kind. I remember there was a time long
> ago, when FM's auto-correct would replace "InterLeaf" or some other
> proprietary competitor, with "FrameMaker."
> >
> > Yeah. :)
> >
> > Back in 1988 when I began using FrameMaker for our engineering team
> documents, our Marketing folks used Interleaf. On Sun 3/50 workstations
> hooked into larger Sun servers for compute functions.
> >
> > They kept trying to get us to use Interleaf, and just could _not_
> understand why we did not want software on our systems that "took over" the
> entire display and would not allow other window programs to be run ... we
> used Sunview (I think that was the name) at the time.
> >
> > That spell check change was fun!
> >
> > Z
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Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-14 Thread Lin Sims
Interesting. The problem is that you're seeing the issue after using Reduce
Size. I'm seeing it before any edits or size reduction is made to the PDF.
I'm not entirely certain the issues are related, but I am no Acrobat
expert. I basically have a joboptions file that I attach and then I forget
about it because I'm not doing anything fancy, just creating PDFs for use
by customers.

Again, the text is messed up only in the TOC after I turn the book into a
PDF. In the file with the headings that are being included in the TOC, the
text displays perfectly in both the Frame file and in the PDF created from
it.

I've never seen the error message you mention, either.

I don't think I like this version of Wonderland ...

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 7:10 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:

> Okay ... after experimentation to see what I am experiencing.
>
> I recreated the large PDF original with 750 pages from the source files
> ("combined" other PDF files in Acrobat Pro). It is 53 Mbytes in size.
>
> This _original_ file is fine within Acrobat Pro and FlexiPDF - no error
> messages and they display fine too.
>
> However, when I save this original PDF as a new PDF file with the "Reduce
> PDF size" option selected, the result is screwed up - even though it does
> get reduced to 34 Mbytes in size!
>
> The pages with Source Sans Pro text then get the message I mentioned below
> when I read it back into Acrobat Pro! With FlexiPDF, the output has
> overlapping text on those pages - messed up display of the page.
>
> As far as I am concerned, this clearly appears to be a bug in Acrobat Pro
> (the latest version) that *creates* this problem.
>
> Also means that I have to stop using the "Reduce PDF size" option -
> particularly if I use Source Sans Pro, I guess! And live with the larger
> file size.
>
> I would love for somebody to duplicate my results ... argh!
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 3:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>
> Interesting!
>
> The page works in FlexiPDF (my other tool), albeit with some overlapping
> text (probably implying a font problem, I guess).
>
> In Adobe Acrobat Pro, I get an error message and no text whatsoever.
>
> Hmmm ... I will reload the font and see what happens ...
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 3:10 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>
> Hmmm ... I don't know if the attached screen-capture will come through on
> this list, but this is the message I get.
>
> It is a pop-up window from Adobe Acrobat that says "The font
> 'SourceSansPro' contains bad /Widths."
>
> Needless to say, most of the info on those pages does not show at all ...
>
> I will try another PDF program, and also see if I can delete/reload the
> font on my system to "cure" this issue.
>
> A question though: shouldn't I expect the font to be "embedded" in the PDF
> to begin with? Which might likely mean a source problem?
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 7:01 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>
> I haven't seen any error messages. I hope that's not the case. Our
> corporate font is Open Sans, but the tech docs department needs a lot of
> glyphs that aren't included in it. Source Sans was the closest we could
> come, and I do not want to have to go looking for another font.
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:42 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
> wrote:
>
> > I wonder if this is related to the font Source Sans Pro?
> >
> > Some of my PDF documents that have this font are giving errors in
> > Acrobat Pro - something to do with "incorrect width". I can look again
> > if this seems like a possibility.
> >
> > Z
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Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-13 Thread Lin Sims
I haven't seen any error messages. I hope that's not the case. Our
corporate font is Open Sans, but the tech docs department needs a lot of
glyphs that aren't included in it. Source Sans was the closest we could
come, and I do not want to have to go looking for another font.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:42 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:

> I wonder if this is related to the font Source Sans Pro?
>
> Some of my PDF documents that have this font are giving errors in Acrobat
> Pro - something to do with "incorrect width". I can look again if this
> seems like a possibility.
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:58 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>
> Peter
> >
> > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a
> > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a
> > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc.
> > Is the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific
> > glyph pairs?
>
>
> The word "Pulse" is a text variable in the source, but once it gets to the
> TOC it's plain text. I did try changing it in the source to text. The
> pictures you see are the "after" of that try.
>
> The font is Source Sans Pro. The TOC paragraph tag does have word spacing
> adjusted to ensure that I don't have text abutting the page number
> (standard workaround, minimum 190%, maximum 210%, optimum 100%), but since
> all the other tags have the exact same settings, why would those two, and
> only those two, convert from FM to PDF so weirdly? I don't touch the letter
> spacing or stretch settings on the font tab. There are no character tags
> applied in either the source file or the generated TOC.
>
> Doug
>
> > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF
> > it again.  Observe the results.
>
>
> No joy on this. There appears to be something about the actual word
> "Software" that the PDF engine is having a conniption about. The original
> text has Software oddly space, and the inserted text right before it also
> has "Software oddly spaced. In fact, the "e" from "Software" is overlapping
> the "P" of the original "Pulse".
>
> Maybe it's time to reinstall Acrobat. Again. I have constant problems with
> this program. Multiple Fatal DDE Errors, an inability to open PDFs by
> double-clicking on them from File Explorer or the download bar at the
> bottom of a browser, and on and on. An Adobe tech completely wiped every
> Adobe program and reinstalled them, and I've even had my machine completely
> reimaged and the problems continue.
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM Doug  wrote:
>
> > Experiment by making changes to the source.
> >
> > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF
> > it again.  Observe the results.  If the new words display fine, delete
> > everything after them and PDF it again.  Observe the results.
> >
> > You might be able to fix it, even if you might never discover why.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:50 PM Peter Gold
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It's a no-brainer, Lin! It's "social distancing. :)
> > >
> > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a
> > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a
> > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it,
> > > etc. Is the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to
> > > specific glyph pairs?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:46 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the
> > > > TOC,
> > they
> > > > look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked
> > > > the paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files
> > > > and they
> > are
> > > > the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those
> > > > two headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software.
> > > >
> > > > I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If
> > anyone
> > > > has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks
> bad.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/weird-spac

Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-12 Thread Lin Sims
Rounding error?

Damn. I got to be special again. 

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:28 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> IMO, a rounding error in the Save As > PDF vs Print > PDF, from your
> assiduous testing and reporting, seems the most likely.
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Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-12 Thread Lin Sims
There were two markers in the source paragraphs, one for the TOC xref link
and one for an Index marker. I moved the Index marker. No good.

There was a hard space between the word Pulse and the word Software. I took
it out and replaced it with a regular space. Also no good.

I deleted and RETYPED the heading. STILL no good.

Not sure what you mean by "source fields", but if you're talking about the
reference page setting up the TOC, I'm pretty sure that would have been
cleared out by my removing the old TOC file and creating a new one using a
known-good template for the TOC.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 5:27 PM Steve Rickaby 
wrote:

> At 16:46 -0400 11/9/20, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> >This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the TOC, they
> >look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked the
> >paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files and they are
> >the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those two
> >headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software.
> >
> >I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If anyone
> >has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks bad.
>
> Check that you haven't accidentally embedded any invisible characters in
> the source fields for the TOC.
>
> >There appears to be something about the actual word "Software" that the
> PDF engine is having a conniption about.
>
> Well, who wouldn't'? :-) Try another word?
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Re: [Framers] Fwd: Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-12 Thread Lin Sims
I dunno. I mean, obviously the problem lies with the PDF generation, but I
suspect the fact that it messed up the one word (twice!), but only in the
TOC is not going to be enough for anyone to figure out what the issue is.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 3:14 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Well, now that you've discovered the exact pathway to that creates the
> error, of course you're going to report it, so it gets on the list of fixes
> needed. You can see my long memory as evidenced by recalling the automatic
> replacement of InterLeaf.
>
> This reminds me of something a little longer back: (BTW, this is not just
> an old guy showing off he's still cooking upstairs, by dredging up random
> old stuff, it's pertinent here!) I worked at a database software company
> that rocketed to fame and riches around the same time Frame Technology and
> Adobe did. However, it's long-gone. A couple of years after I got laid-off
> with a few thousand others, when the company had gone into several
> tailspins because management had overruled QA and released supremely-buggy
> products which lost customers' faith, I met someone who told me he'd been
> the last project manager on the product. He'd been called in "to fix the
> problems in quality, for good, this time, and get the company back on
> track." He told me that the first place he started was with meeting the
> developers and digging into the most-commonly known bugs and irritants.
> First on the list was the odd differences with how the built-in text editor
> that was used to enter command-line commands, enter data into database
> fields, design the database files, and write and edit code, depending on
> how the user invoked it. "So, I asked, 'who's responsible for this editor,'
> and 35 hands went up." The problem was that it was so easy to write an
> editor, that there was no single spec for it. Every developer who needed
> one in his or her modules just wrote one on the spot, and, of course,
> didn't document it, "because everybody know how to do it, so why bother?
> So, that's when I left."
>
> It looks like when the TOC source material is processed differently into
> PDF by Print > PDF vs. Save As > PDF. Same kind of problem.
>
> Glad you've identified and solved the issue so you can move ahead, and also
> good that you've shared it with the community.
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Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-12 Thread Lin Sims
Spellcheck did indeed used to replace Interleaf with FrameMaker, but I
don't think it does anymore.

When it converts from Frame to PDF, that will make the link unclickable.
Also, I really don't want to have to apply a character tag to text created
in a generated document every time I regenerate the TOC. Acrobat PDF is
supposed to make an output that looks exactly like the input.

I should add (shouldn't I?) that the conversion from FM to PDF of the
actual chapters do NOT show that weird spacing for the word "Software".
Only in the TOC. Only those two lines.

I've reinstalled Acrobat DC. I've MIF-washed. I've used both the Save as
PDF (my usual route) and the Publish pod. They are all producing the same
result.

Ah! But printing the book using Adobe PDF *WORKED*! (That'd be File > Print
Book). I believe that uses Distiller directly or something? I forget. But
it worked!


On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 1:32 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Hi, Lin:
>
> AHA! It's a secret plot of some kind. I remember there was a time long ago,
> when FM's auto-correct would replace "InterLeaf" or some other proprietary
> competitor, with "FrameMaker."
>
> The word-spacing computation might have a rounding error when it encounters
> specific glyph combinations in this particular font. Perhaps substitute a
> similar font for the problematic word(s) or adjust the kerning or
> letter-spacing, perhaps by applying a character format that sets one or the
> other or both properties.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 11:58 AM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > Peter
> > >
> > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a
> > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a
> > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc.
> Is
> > > the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific
> glyph
> > > pairs?
> >
> >
> > The word "Pulse" is a text variable in the source, but once it gets to
> the
> > TOC it's plain text. I did try changing it in the source to text. The
> > pictures you see are the "after" of that try.
> >
> > The font is Source Sans Pro. The TOC paragraph tag does have word spacing
> > adjusted to ensure that I don't have text abutting the page number
> > (standard workaround, minimum 190%, maximum 210%, optimum 100%), but
> since
> > all the other tags have the exact same settings, why would those two, and
> > only those two, convert from FM to PDF so weirdly? I don't touch the
> letter
> > spacing or stretch settings on the font tab. There are no character tags
> > applied in either the source file or the generated TOC.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF it
> > > again.  Observe the results.
> >
> >
> > No joy on this. There appears to be something about the actual word
> > "Software" that the PDF engine is having a conniption about. The original
> > text has Software oddly space, and the inserted text right before it also
> > has "Software oddly spaced. In fact, the "e" from "Software" is
> overlapping
> > the "P" of the original "Pulse".
> >
> > Maybe it's time to reinstall Acrobat. Again. I have constant problems
> with
> > this program. Multiple Fatal DDE Errors, an inability to open PDFs by
> > double-clicking on them from File Explorer or the download bar at the
> > bottom of a browser, and on and on. An Adobe tech completely wiped every
> > Adobe program and reinstalled them, and I've even had my machine
> completely
> > reimaged and the problems continue.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM Doug  wrote:
> >
> > > Experiment by making changes to the source.
> > >
> > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF it
> > > again.  Observe the results.  If the new words display fine, delete
> > > everything after them and PDF it again.  Observe the results.
> > >
> > > You might be able to fix it, even if you might never discover why.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:50 PM Peter Gold  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's a no-brainer, Lin! It's "social distancing. :)
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a
> > > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a
> > > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it,
> etc.
> > Is
> &g

Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-12 Thread Lin Sims
Peter
>
> Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a
> different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a
> character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc. Is
> the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific glyph
> pairs?


The word "Pulse" is a text variable in the source, but once it gets to the
TOC it's plain text. I did try changing it in the source to text. The
pictures you see are the "after" of that try.

The font is Source Sans Pro. The TOC paragraph tag does have word spacing
adjusted to ensure that I don't have text abutting the page number
(standard workaround, minimum 190%, maximum 210%, optimum 100%), but since
all the other tags have the exact same settings, why would those two, and
only those two, convert from FM to PDF so weirdly? I don't touch the letter
spacing or stretch settings on the font tab. There are no character tags
applied in either the source file or the generated TOC.

Doug

> For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF it
> again.  Observe the results.


No joy on this. There appears to be something about the actual word
"Software" that the PDF engine is having a conniption about. The original
text has Software oddly space, and the inserted text right before it also
has "Software oddly spaced. In fact, the "e" from "Software" is overlapping
the "P" of the original "Pulse".

Maybe it's time to reinstall Acrobat. Again. I have constant problems with
this program. Multiple Fatal DDE Errors, an inability to open PDFs by
double-clicking on them from File Explorer or the download bar at the
bottom of a browser, and on and on. An Adobe tech completely wiped every
Adobe program and reinstalled them, and I've even had my machine completely
reimaged and the problems continue.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM Doug  wrote:

> Experiment by making changes to the source.
>
> For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF it
> again.  Observe the results.  If the new words display fine, delete
> everything after them and PDF it again.  Observe the results.
>
> You might be able to fix it, even if you might never discover why.
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:50 PM Peter Gold 
> wrote:
>
> > It's a no-brainer, Lin! It's "social distancing. :)
> >
> > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a
> > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a
> > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc. Is
> > the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific glyph
> > pairs?
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:46 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
> >
> > > This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the TOC,
> they
> > > look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked the
> > > paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files and they
> are
> > > the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those two
> > > headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software.
> > >
> > > I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If
> anyone
> > > has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks bad.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/weird-spacing-in-toc-after-conversion-to-pdf/td-p/11427776?page=1
> > >
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[Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output

2020-09-11 Thread Lin Sims
This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the TOC, they
look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked the
paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files and they are
the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those two
headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software.

I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If anyone
has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks bad.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/weird-spacing-in-toc-after-conversion-to-pdf/td-p/11427776?page=1

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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

2020-08-26 Thread Lin Sims
I think so? At least with FrameMaker, 2020 installed into a separate folder
and left the 2019 installation alone.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:39 PM Craig Ede  wrote:

> This brings up and interesting question. When the subscription pushes out
> a new version, can you leave an earlier FrameMaker version on a machine and
> use that for files that you want to stay in that version?
>
> The medical device industry can be quite hidebound about using newer
> versions of software since they validate their quality systems against a
> particular version and don't want to do all that work again. For a
> consultant, working with different clients who may have different version
> requirements, the ability to run multiple versions is imperative.
>
> In 2015 I used Creative Cloud and the Adobe subscription let us install
> the new versions but keep the older versions of particular software active,
> too.
>
> Craig
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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

2020-08-26 Thread Lin Sims
Nothing happens. You bought a perpetual license for FM12 and it will
continue to work as long as the machine and OS allow it to.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 8:03 AM Tom Beiswenger <
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote:

> This may be a really stupid question, but because it involves an Adobe
> product, it probably isn't... what happens to those of us using earlier
> versions of FM? I am the only writer in our company using FM and work with
> FM12 on a new Windows 10 laptop. FM12 is a little quirky on Win 10, but
> I've found ways to adapt so that I can keep FM. The alternative for me
> would be to go to AuthorIT, which isn't bad, but really isn't very good
> about creating books for print and digital (using conditional tags that
> allows us to optimize the book for digital display).
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

2020-08-26 Thread Lin Sims
You are correct, and I mentioned that on the FrameMaker group on the Adobe
forums. That's not the only issue on Adobe's site. At the moment, the
only way that I, who have a Teams subscription through work, could upgrade
to FM2020, was to download the free trial. There's a download link on the
account page for our FM subscription, but it takes you to the CREATIVE
CLOUD downloads page and has for more than a year. I've made multiple
complaints but Adobe hasn't fixed it. FM seem to be the red-headed
stepchild of Adobe.

As to an earlier email of yours, there is no difference between someone
upgrading from an earlier version to 2020 or someone getting a new
subscription to 2020. The subscription price is the same for everyone.
There are two annual options (no monthly option for FM!): one is to prepay
for a year (about $360), the other is to pay monthly ($29.99) for a year's
subscription (which totals about $360) with cancellation fees if you cancel
it early.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 5:07 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:

> Lin,
>
> That link mentioned FM _server_ versions, not the FM applications ...
> unless I overlooked something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Z
>
> Lin Sims said:
> > This is an authoritative list of all of Adobe's products and when they
> went End of Life and when Extended Support was ended. I hope it helps.
>
> > https://helpx.adobe.com/support/programs/eol-matrix.html
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug  wrote:

> I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness when
> the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will work
> for this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector text
> in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work as
> a vector in Frame.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Framers] Fraction Symbols

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
If you want a MIF file with variables for fractions including the quarters,
half, thirds, fifths, sixths, eighths, tenths, and sixteenths, email me
directly. Or I can ask Carol if she'd be willing to add it to the tools on
the Frameusers site.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:25 PM Mike Wickham  wrote:

> If these are variables, why are they listed as available for FrameMaker
> 15 and 16 only? What would keep them from working in FM10 or FM12?
>
> Mike Wickham
>
> On 8/25/2020 6:28 AM, Dennis Hays wrote:
> > I have set up a small set of variables for fractions, which can be
> > imported into the Variables panel in your working document. These, and
> > other 'packs' are free and available at framegoodies.us.
> >
> > Also, Lin Sims, I would be interested in seeing your MIF file, if you
> > can send it to me directly.
> >
> > To all, be well!
> >
> > Dennis
>
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
I can't speak to the TLP or CLP programs. I've never used them and have no
information on them.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:37 AM Harding, Dan  wrote:

> Can we get some confirmation from Adobe on this? This came up back in
> October of 2019, and at that time they stated that perpetual licenses
> through the TLP were still going to be supported. The TLP website is still
> active and doesn't say anything about being discontinued.
>
> -Dan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Simon BUCH
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:11 AM
> To: Framers 
> Subject: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
>
> FYI
>
> Despite what I was told last year:
>
> "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of all
> the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized
> resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and
> Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./"
>
> ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of
> perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 release.
> As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager:
>
> "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format.
> This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license active.
> This should be available for limited time."
> /
>
> and /that//:/
>
> /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be available
> in Subscription.//
> //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline
> environment./"
>
> But no further information was given.
>
> Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34 /
> €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month.
>
>
> Regards
> // Simon BUCH
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
As I said, they *did *provide a way to activate the CS1-3 packages without
needing a server, but that was for only a short period of time and it is no
longer available.

My guess is that a similar thing will happen if the CS4-6 servers are
deactivated. However, as I also said,  I do not work for Adobe and should
not be considered an authority on what they will choose to do in the
future, nor should anything I say here be considered a guarantee of what
they will or will not choose to do.

This is an authoritative list of all of Adobe's products and when they went
End of Life and when Extended Support was ended. I hope it helps.

https://helpx.adobe.com/support/programs/eol-matrix.html


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> If Adobe is going to deactivate CS servers, they need to provide a way
> to turn off the need to activate, so that the software can still run.
> I'm nearing time to replace my computer, but have been holding off,
> dreading the issue of dealing with CS deactivations and reactivations.
>
> Mike Wickham
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Re: [Framers] Fraction Symbols

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
I think he's providing FM files, not MIF.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:25 PM Mike Wickham  wrote:

> If these are variables, why are they listed as available for FrameMaker
> 15 and 16 only? What would keep them from working in FM10 or FM12?
>
> Mike Wickham
>
> On 8/25/2020 6:28 AM, Dennis Hays wrote:
> > I have set up a small set of variables for fractions, which can be
> > imported into the Variables panel in your working document. These, and
> > other 'packs' are free and available at framegoodies.us.
> >
> > Also, Lin Sims, I would be interested in seeing your MIF file, if you
> > can send it to me directly.
> >
> > To all, be well!
> >
> > Dennis
>
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
https://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:01 PM Sean  wrote:

> Is there a good resource (link) that tells me what’s new and groovy with
> FM 2020?
>
> Thanks all!
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
Oh, and while I have no idea if there is a freeware equivalent to InDesign,
GIMP is freeware and does everything Photoshop does. Plus you can have an
interface with colored icons which, let me tell you, is a nice thing. I
hate that the CC apps all have this shades of grey interface, it is very
difficult to pick out the icon you need.




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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
Adobe still does the 30-day trial.

I know because despite my company having a subscription, the only way I
could download the installation program was to fill out that stupid form.
Someone at Adobe doesn't like updating the FM associated websites and links.

There are quite a few trainers out there. Barb Binder and Matt Sullivan are
two of them. I think Shlomo Peretz still does some training, but I also
think he's semi-retired. I could be wrong about that.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:34 PM Roberta Hennessey 
wrote:

> Hi.
> I see folks talking about FrameMaker. As someone who hasn't used the tool
> in years, does Adobe have a 30 day free trial these days?
> And does anyone know of external learning resources for someone relearning
> Frame? Or recommendations?
>
> Bobbi
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:15 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > If you have a perpetual license, you will not have to pay additional
> money.
> >
> > If you want to upgrade to FM2020, though, you will be getting a
> > subscription and will have to pay to continue using the program.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:59 PM Doug  wrote:
> >
> > > We use FM 2017...do we need to be wary of Adobe making us pay them more
> > > money in the future?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:48 AM Simon BUCH 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > FYI
> > > >
> > > > Despite what I was told last year:
> > > >
> > > > "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of
> > all
> > > > the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized
> > > > resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and
> > > > Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./"
> > > >
> > > > ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of
> > > > perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019
> > release.
> > > > As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager:
> > > >
> > > > "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format.
> > > > This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license
> > active.
> > > > This should be available for limited time."
> > > > /
> > > >
> > > > and /that//:/
> > > >
> > > > /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be
> available
> > > > in Subscription.//
> > > > //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline
> > > > environment./"
> > > >
> > > > But no further information was given.
> > > >
> > > > Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34
> /
> > > > €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > // Simon BUCH
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
Carol, I don't know. I don't work for Adobe.

My understanding is that the activation servers for CS1-3 simply wore out
and weren't maintainable anymore, the software required to perform
activations can't run on the new platforms, and it would have taken a great
deal of money and time for Adobe to try to port it. They weren't willing to
spend those resources for a product that hasn't been for sale for almost a
decade and for which even extended support was ended over a year ago.

There *was *a brief time period at the end of 2019 where Adobe provided a
special, you won't need an activation server, number for the CS1-3
products. I emphasize *brief*: that option is no longer available.

My assumption is that if and when they retire the activation servers for
CS4-6 the same will happen, but I have no way to know this for certain.
Since I have none of the CS products, I also don't know if Adobe sent out a
notification of this happening for CS1-3.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help. (Oh, and yes, if it has CS in the name
it is/was part of Creative Suites.)

And standard warning: if anyone tries to get in touch with you claiming to
be able to sell you Creative Suites, do not buy from them. They're
scammers, and at best you will lose your money.

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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
If you have a perpetual license, you will not have to pay additional money.

If you want to upgrade to FM2020, though, you will be getting a
subscription and will have to pay to continue using the program.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:59 PM Doug  wrote:

> We use FM 2017...do we need to be wary of Adobe making us pay them more
> money in the future?
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:48 AM Simon BUCH  wrote:
>
> > FYI
> >
> > Despite what I was told last year:
> >
> > "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of all
> > the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized
> > resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and
> > Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./"
> >
> > ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of
> > perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 release.
> > As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager:
> >
> > "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format.
> > This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license active.
> > This should be available for limited time."
> > /
> >
> > and /that//:/
> >
> > /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be available
> > in Subscription.//
> > //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline
> > environment./"
> >
> > But no further information was given.
> >
> > Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34 /
> > €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > // Simon BUCH
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
I'm not Adobe, but I can confirm that as of the 2020 version, all the
products in the Technical Communications Suite are subscription only. They
are also 64-bit software only.

The information in October was correct for FrameMaker 2019 and TCS 2019. If
you purchased a perpetual license for any of the products in TCS 2019, it
remains good.

Be aware that Adobe has also moved to an N-1 support program. If I recall
correctly, that means they provide support for the current and immediately
previous version of their product.

I'm not surprised the website hasn't caught up. Whoever manages Adobe's
websites never seems to get around to the products they consider to be
niche. For example, through my job I have a subscription to FrameMaker, but
if I go into my account to download it, the link takes me to Creative Cloud
instead, and has for more than a year. When 2020 was released, I literally
had to fill out the form for a trial product, even though I have a
subscription. Once it's installed, though, logging into Adobe verifies the
subscription.

Additional information: For those of you who still have Creative Suites, it
is no longer possible to activate CS 1-3. Those servers are retired. You
can still activate CS 4-6, but support is minimal. I think you can get the
number of activations reset and that's about it.



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Re: [Framers] Fraction symbols

2020-08-24 Thread Lin Sims
With the exceptions of the glyphs Fred mentioned (they're included in the
typeface we use at work), I wound up creating a load of variables with the
fractions pre-set up because we use a fair number of Imperial measurements
in our documents and it got to be a pain using the character map to insert
anywhere between 3 and 5 glyphs each time one was needed. Now I'm using the
Autotext plugin to do the same thing, since it cuts back on the amount of
overhead in the document, but it comes to the same thing.

Assuming your typeface supports the 0 through 9 in super and subscripts, I
can send you the mif file I created for importing just those variables into
a document.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 3:22 PM Fred Ridder  wrote:

> If you look in the Windows Character Map tool, you will find the
> characters ⅓, ⅔, ⅛, ⅜, ⅝, and ⅞ at Unicode code points 0x2153, 0x2154, and
> 0x215B thru 0x215E in most fonts (I was looking at Arial).  Other fonts,
> such as Cambria Math, have additional glyphs for proper fractions with 5
> and 6 in the denominator at the code points from 0x2155 thru 0x215A.
> Whether these glyphs are included in the particular font you are using is
> another matter.
>
> -Fred
>
> 
> From: Framers 
> on behalf of Doug 
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:54 PM
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> Subject: [Framers] Fraction symbols
>
> I use Klaus Daube's ETB (love it!) and it has fraction symbols for 1/4,
> 1/2, and 3/4.  Is there another handy source for additional fraction
> symbols?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Framers] Hi, what is the best way to convert from MSWord docx to FM 19? Thanks.

2020-08-24 Thread Lin Sims
There is! It's not automated as part of the import, though. After you
import, you open the File > Utilities menu and use the Split Current
Document. Then you have to choose which tag is used to signal the start of
a new file.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 12:05 PM Caroline Tabach 
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> I do not have the new Frame 2020, but they say there is a new feature that
> will allow you to split the imported Word doc into separate Frame files
>
> Caroline Tabach
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Re: [Framers] Hi, what is the best way to convert from MSWord docx to FM 19? Thanks.

2020-08-24 Thread Lin Sims
If you used styles in your Word document and have tags set up in a Frame
template, the easiest way is to open a new Frame document based on your
Frame template and use File > Import > File, Import by Copy. That will open
the Word Import dialog that allows you to map Word styles to Framemaker
tags. Once you've done that, click OK and the Word document will import.

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Re: [Framers] Char out of range: 13

2020-08-14 Thread Lin Sims
I can tell you one thing the regular Arial font doesn't have that Arial
Unicode does: glyphs for subscript numbers. This is something my company
needs because we do a lot of measurements. Luckily, the font we use for our
brand is Source Sans Pro, which does have those glyphs.

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> Arial Unicode MS may no longer be available in Wndows 10, but I believe
> that is because the base Arial font was made Unicode compatible and
> expanded to include a large number of Unicode glyphs. I think you should
> use the Windows Character Map tool to view the new and improved Arial font,
> which *is* part of the standard Windows 10 environment,  to see whether it
> include all the code points you require.
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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Inserting checkmark in a table cell (FM12)

2020-07-21 Thread Lin Sims
Variables are useful. 

You can also check out Klaus Daube's ETB Insert Symbols plugin (
https://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker81.html), which is a subset of his Extended
Toolbars, that allows you to create a list of special characters for
insertion (3 clicks, ish), or you can also try Silicon Prairie's Autotext
Plugin, which lets you set up all sorts of boilerplate inserts (
https://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Downloads.html). Klaus' plugin is
free, but you can pay him. Silicon Prairie is shareware, but it will nag
you to buy it. At $10, it's cheap for its utility.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:21 AM Tom Beiswenger <
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> Thanks, Lin. I'll remember that! This is a whole lot easier than searching
> through charts and testing key combinations.
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> I usually use the Windows Character Map to copy and paste symbols like
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> your font. If it's not something you can enter using Alt+# (and in our
> corporate font, there isn't one, it's Unicode only), then copy it into a
> variable and use that instead. Or you can use the radical character (a.k.a.
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Re: [Framers] Inserting checkmark in a table cell (FM12)

2020-07-21 Thread Lin Sims
I usually use the Windows Character Map to copy and paste symbols like
that. I'd suggest using it to find the ASCII/ANSI code for a checkmark in
your font. If it's not something you can enter using Alt+# (and in our
corporate font, there isn't one, it's Unicode only), then copy it into a
variable and use that instead. Or you can use the radical character (a.k.a.
square root), which is Alt+251.

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Re: [Framers] Table column widths in Resp. HTML5

2020-07-08 Thread Lin Sims
According to the WWW school, column and table widths are controlled by the
CSS ( https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_tab_table-layout.asp).
I have no idea how that would be handled through Frame, although I believe
you can import a CSS file to control the output?

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> I have them set to fixed widths in Frame, but in HTML the column widths
> become dependent upon the content.
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Re: [Framers] FM on Next - question from a nostalgic person

2020-06-15 Thread Lin Sims
Is he asking for documentation on the Nextstation itself, or for *FrameMaker
for* the Nextstation?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:18 PM Klaus Daube  wrote:

> Dear friends
> I got the following mail (see the original at the end):
>
> > My name is Dr Ralf Alexander Kohler and by chance I visited your website.
> > Although, technically, it wasn't a coincidence at all, because I was
> searching
> > the Internet for documentation for FrameMaker 3.2  20 years ago I bought
> a
> > NextStation with Framemaker 3.2 installed. The plan at the time was to
> use it to
> > write my dissertation. Unfortunately, the computer broke down and I had
> to
> > switch to Linux/Latex. But now I have succeeded to build a Next computer
> > emulation with the exact working environment I had back then. While it's
> not
> > more than just a gimmick, I still would like to continue using
> FrameMaker. Now
> > my question: Do you happen to know if there is any documentation for
> NextStation
> > at all? And if so, how can I get it? I only found documentation for FM
> version
> > 5.0 on the net, but not anything to Next Computer. I would be very
> interested in
> > your answer.
>
> Has anybody of you old hares something hidden in the book shelves?
> I would volunteer to scan it and send the paper back (as a retired person
> i have time
> for such).
>
> Thank you
> Klaus
>
> 
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> Suchmaschine im Internet nach einer Dokumentation für FrameMaker 3.2
> gesucht.
> Ich habe vor 20 Jahren eine gebrauche NextStation gekauft, die dieses
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> schreiben.
> Leider hat der Rechner vorher seinen Geist aufgegeben und ich bin dann auf
> Linux/Latex umgestiegen. Nun ist es mir aber gelungen, einen Next Rechner
> zu
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> für Next Rechner überhaupt eine Dokumentation gab? Und wenn ja, wie wurde
> diese vertrieben? Ich habe im Netz nur Dokumentationen zu Version 5.0
> gefunden,
> nicht aber irgendetwas zu Next Computer. Ich würde mich sehr auf Ihre
> Antwort
> freuen.
> Herzlichst,
> Ralf Alexander Kohler
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker and transparency

2020-05-18 Thread Lin Sims
FM2019 is still available with a perpetual license, but it is pretty
expensive.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 12:59 PM Ken Poshedly 
wrote:

> Ladies & Gents,
>
> Short question: Does FrameMaker 10 support transparency (i.e., no
> background) in imported graphics or not?
>
> Details: I've created a "Text Frame" (not a Graphic Frame) on a page in a
> new document which has, of course, the usual frame for text flow. So that's
> a newly created Text Frame ON TOP OF a system-created "text flow frame" on
> a blank page. Then, in FrameMaker 10, I used 40 percent Royal Blue as the
> Fill for the new Text Frame.
>
> I then inserted my text into the new tinted Text Frame and inserted (by
> reference) a small graphic saved as a psd file which I've modified in
> Photoshop CS4 to have a transparent background (checkerboard pattern where
> the white background had originally been).
>
> In this case, the text warns the readership of the journal that I edit to
> be responsible and not open certain e-mails (and you know the rest). I've
> found a small little anti-virus symbol to use with that text (a red-framed
> triangle with an exclamation point and the word "Virus" inside the triangle
> -- like a European road sign). The original version of the graphic was a
> jpg which had a white background around the triangle; so, like I said, I
> used Photoshop CS4 to do the layering-thing and delete the white background
> around the triangle, then saved the new image as a psd file (and also as a
> png file). The newly modified image looks just right.
>
> But when I import (by reference) the psd (or even the png) version of that
> new image, the area around the red triangle still shows as white inside the
> tinted Text Frame. So it displays (and prints on a color laserjet printer)
> as a white box with the red-framed triangle inside the the blue-tinted Text
> Frame.
>
> I checked various resources, including Adobe and YouTube videos, about
> doing the transparent layering thing and I am apparently doing that part
> correctly.
>
> So is this a limitation of FrameMaker 10 (to not recognize transparent
> layers or whatever) or am I missing something? I would be most happy to
> take this off -list and send the image (and even the FM file) to whoever
> wants to take a stab at this.
>
> Or must I somehow learn how to set the area surrounding the red triangle
> to the same color as the blue tint in the Text Frame in the FrameMaker 10
> doc. And how to do THAT?
>
> By the way, I do not have the resources or desire (especially in these
> tough times) to "upgrade" to a new FM version with a perpetual monthly fee.
> -- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] Weird Welcome Screen in FM 2019

2020-05-12 Thread Lin Sims
Bets on MS having done something to Internet Explorer?

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:36 PM Doug  wrote:

> My FM2017 has the same problem today.  Right-clicking doesn't give me a
> "Back" to select, however.  :(
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 8:30 AM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > FYI, a lot of people are experiencing an issue with the Welcome screen on
> > first starting FM up this morning.
> >
> >
> https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/odd-startup-screen/td-p/11124312?page=1
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> >
> > Fix is to right-click in a blank space and click Back.
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[Framers] Weird Welcome Screen in FM 2019

2020-05-12 Thread Lin Sims
FYI, a lot of people are experiencing an issue with the Welcome screen on
first starting FM up this morning.
https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/odd-startup-screen/td-p/11124312?page=1


Fix is to right-click in a blank space and click Back.

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Re: [Framers] Acrobat DC & Frame etc

2020-04-27 Thread Lin Sims
I would be having a discussion with IT if I were you. Find out if the
subscription was dropped for some reason. If it was, find out how you can
get a subscription to at least Acrobat DC Pro, because none of what you
want to do can be done using Frame's headless PDF creator.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:20 AM Caroline Tabach 
wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I have Frame 2017 on my system and Acrobat Pro DC, as part of Creative
> suite.
>
> For some reason, IT have decided to remove the Acrobat (and creative suite)
>
> 1. Will I still be able to create PDF files, or will they have to reinstall
> Frame in order to be able to use the built in PDF in Frame?
>
> 2. What won't I be able to do to PDF files if I only have the version that
> comes with Frame?
>
> I currently add password protection to files, make numbering of pdf match
> file numbering, extract pages, edit files.
>
> What functionality will I be losing?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] FM's Project window

2020-04-27 Thread Lin Sims
I haven't even used the Folder or Group functions. I'm not sure what
situations would call for them, either, although there must be something.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:58 PM Klaus Daube  wrote:

> Dear all,
> Has anybody of You ever used the FrameMaker Project feature?
>
> I try to use the Project feature in FM 15 and encounter a frustrating
> behaviour:
>
> *   There is no Open > Project. I need to open the project file in the
> file system
> *   Using Open and the set the type selection to FrameMaker Project does
> not yield any
> results
> *   There is no means to create a new folder (to put in various stuff) if
> there are
> already Locations defined. If I just use the Create Folder button then
> the folder
> is created in currently selected location (if locations exist, one is
> always
> selected).
> *   Even in a yet empty project it is not possible to define such a
> folder, the button
> Add Folder is inactive then.
> *   The only means to create such a folder is editing the xml file while
> the Project
> window is closed (see the first location)
> *   Adding an asset by Add Location and then using the Browse button to
> find the
> directory in question always shows the same folder ($HOME) as a
> starting point- and
> I need to navigate through the whole system to find what I want.
>
> With all these shortcomings it is my impression that nobody has used this
> feature
> yet...
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Re: [Framers] Grammar question

2020-04-21 Thread Lin Sims
I would think "an", since M starts with a vowel sound, unless you expect
people to say it in full each time they come across it.

I really hate situations like that.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:26 AM Doug  wrote:

> MCN is an abbreviation for Multi-Channel Network.  When referring to only
> one of them, which of the following do you use:
>
> a MCN
> an MCN
>
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 11 - blank pages appearing at the end of imported file

2020-04-16 Thread Lin Sims
Check your pagination. If you have it set to an even number of pages and
your text ends on an odd number, FM inserts a blank page at the end.

Format > Page Layout > Pagination > Before Saving & Printing drop-down. If
it's set to "Make Page Count Even", there's your culprit.



On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 6:40 AM George, Brenda 
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> I am working in Structured FrameMaker 11.
>
> After the importing the file, there are blank pages appearing at the end
> of the file.
>
> How do I eliminate these pages so that they don't appear after a file has
> been imported into FrameMaker?
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Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

2020-04-15 Thread Lin Sims
What Jeff said. And if you're really worried, save the Word file to a text
file, open it in something like Notepad++, and copy from there. You'll lose
some of the context of headings and things, though, which means keeping the
Word file open so you can check for things like heading tags and graphic
locations and the like.

Still, I prefer it because there is no way, none, that anything sneaks
through. The only thing I copy directly from Word is tables, and those go
into a separate Frame document with the right tags set up and then I use
Rick's TableCleaner to fix them before copying them (again) into Frame.

I tend toward the paranoid when it comes to Word.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 3:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth <
jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote:

> Nope, with this line (looked it up this time) -
>
>
> ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, MIFW, MIF, RTF, OLE 2, META, EMF,
> DIB, BMP, UNICODE TEXT
>
>
> It acts just like running it through Notepad first, no Word cruft.
>
>
> 
> From: Framers  jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Richard Melanson <
> rmelan...@highresbio.com>
> Sent: April 15, 2020 3:27 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.
>
> I thought about this way but I didn't trust the copy/paste function to
> only bring over text. You ever have any problems after with garbage left
> over from Word?
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

2020-04-15 Thread Lin Sims
And that is exactly why I go the text route. If I didn't create that Word
file, I don't know whether the person who did set it up right or not.
Usually the answer is "not".

(On a side note, if you set up a Word template, create your own numbering
list styles and assign your own number styles to the list style, and
restrict style usage to the ones you created. You will prevent so many
headaches by forcing users to actually use styles instead of the bloody
ribbon bar!)

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:18 PM Richard Melanson 
wrote:

> The Word file I inherited does not use any formatting standard, it's just
> a 193 pages of mish mash of whatever any given editor felt like doing at
> the time. I'm probably going to have to go to text then into Frame and
> manually assign the formatting.  YUCK  :-)
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

2020-04-15 Thread Lin Sims
I think it's more like no one has "templates" so didn't feel they could
help you.

Frame since, I think, 2017, has a Word Import facility that allows you to
map Word styles to Frame tags, which can do a lot of the work for you as
long as you have a file set up with the tags you want. Check Barb Binder's
Rocky Mountain training site; I believe she has a blog post explaining how
to do that.

Beyond that, I recommend Rick Quattro's TableCleaner script, which will
help you reformat Word's tables to clean Frame tables.

Personally, I usually save the Word file to an ASCII text file and copy and
paste blocks into Frame, tagging as I go. It may be a bit brute force, but
it works for me. If nothing else, it ensures that none of Word's cruft is
imported and that the graphics I need are placed where I want them.

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> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am converting a 193 page Word doc to FrameMaker 2017. Does anyone have
> recommended templates for doing this. I am trying to do this in as little
> time as possible. If you can share what you have great, if you are selling
> what you have great also, just let me know what you need.
>
> Thank you all for your help.
>
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Re: [Framers] Frame Updates

2020-04-13 Thread Lin Sims
I don't think so, no. You can always check for updates. :)

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:43 AM Doug  wrote:

> Ouch.  I hadn't even thought about the FM version.  I'm using the 2017
> release.  Do they even update my version anymore?
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:03 AM Simon BUCH  wrote:
>
> > If you log in to the Adobe Tracker System:
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-6739
> > there is a comment indicating that it is fixed in FM2020
> >
> > FrameMaker 15 [AKA 2019] was released on 22 August 2019, and based upon
> > release dates of prior versions, it may be up to 18 months from then,
> > which would make it around March 2021.  Unless Adobe marketing want to
> > strategise the release and deploy it sooner.
> >
> >
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Re: [Framers] Frame Updates

2020-04-13 Thread Lin Sims
If the tracker says it's fixed for FM2020, then I don't expect it to be
included in an update, even if there is another one between now and the
2020 release.

Also, FM2019 was released on August 22, 20*18*, not 2019. We're actually
closing in on 2 years since the last release.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:10 AM Harding, Dan  wrote:

> 18 months may be the cycle for new releases, but surely not for
> patches/updates...
>
> -Dan
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Simon BUCH
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:03 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>; Doug 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Frame Updates
>
> If you log in to the Adobe Tracker System:
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-6739
> there is a comment indicating that it is fixed in FM2020
>
> FrameMaker 15 [AKA 2019] was released on 22 August 2019, and based upon
> release dates of prior versions, it may be up to 18 months from then, which
> would make it around March 2021.  Unless Adobe marketing want to strategise
> the release and deploy it sooner.
>
>
> // Simon BUCH
>
> On 13/04/2020 13:40, Doug wrote:
> > I was sent an email stating that the bug I reported, FRMAKER-6739, has
> > been fixed.  When can I expect to be able to download an update with
> > this fix in it?  Anyone know?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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Re: [Framers] Frame Updates

2020-04-13 Thread Lin Sims
They just released Update 5, so I'm betting you'll see the fix in the next
release.

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> I was sent an email stating that the bug I reported, FRMAKER-6739, has been
> fixed.  When can I expect to be able to download an update with this fix in
> it?  Anyone know?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015

2020-04-10 Thread Lin Sims
Because they still work, they're reliable, and at this point they're pretty
much unhackable. Plus, the cost of transferring all that data and creating
programs in modern languages is incalculable. No one wants to make the
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Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015

2020-04-06 Thread Lin Sims
I started out as a temp, not a tech writer, which meant I got to work on a
whole LOT of systems. My agencies used to send me when someone called in
with a program they'd never heard of, because they figured I either knew it
or could figure it out very quickly. Alphabetically, they were,

DECmate (?)
FrameMaker
MASS-11
Multimate
Office Writer
PC-Write
Philips Micom
Volkswriter
Wang
WordPerfect
WordStar
XyWrite
emacs (VERY LITTLE)
vi (even less)

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:32 PM L Larson  wrote:

> Wow, this brings up SO many memories...
>
> Does anyone remember Micom, where an 8" floppy could hold as much as 100
> pages of straight text? How about Displaywriter, one of the first to move
> from a dedicated system to a PC?
>
> Later, I remember having to choose between Word Perfect, WordStar, and
> Word for a PC, and chose Word Perfect because it favored keyboard commands
> over Word's menu commands and a cleaner look than WordStar.
>
> Those were the days when Wang and Interleaf were used by companies like
> General Motors.
>
> Finally, in the early 90s, I was able to move to an early version of FM
> for large document sets. What a joy it was then!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight
> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 6:56 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
>
> Hey there Peter, I totally forgot about WordStar! I'm still a keyboard
> shortcuts person and grumble heartily when they're not available. I can do
> things so much more quickly with the keyboard!
>
> J
> 317.593.5551
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:11 PM Peter Gold 
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 7:31 PM Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I used FullWrite on an SE/30 in the late 80s. I think it was my
> > > preferred word processor for a while.
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015

2020-04-03 Thread Lin Sims
Word still pretty much sucks. It's more stable than it used to be, but
things like numbering still require very strictly controlled styles or some
facility with VB. I've encountered people who can get it to do a lot of
what Frame does, but, again, they use a lot of VB macros to do what Frame
does out of the box. No thanks!

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wrote:

> What a great history of FM...I started out on Ventura Publisher, while
> working for Xerox, who had purchased the software and didn't know squiddly
> squat about it so, as someone who had gone NUTZ trying to find some way to
> do process doc and software manuals without going postal, I set out to
> learn it, then demoed, then moved to FrameMaker in about '92 as I recall.
> Oh, and I agree with Word for DOS...I fought, kicking and screaming, when
> the Windows versions came out. Still do in point of fact!
>
> J
> 317.593.5551
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:49 AM Frank Stearns  wrote:
>
> > In 1990 or so I'd just completed migrating some 6000 pages of DEC RNO
> > (with pieces of UNIX Troff tossed in) over to LaTeX for my primary
> > client of the day (Aptec Systems, a Floating Point Systems spin-off
> > who made high-speed I/O computers. We're talking large fractions of a
> > million dollars systems (multi-millions for the "big" systems) whose
> > then fantastic bus speeds are today dwarfed by that $500 laptop at
> > Best Buy or Walmart.)
> >
> >
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Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015

2020-04-03 Thread Lin Sims
Klaus is fairly active on the Adobe forums, and still working on useful
scripts, too.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:05 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Just when I've been wondering if I’m really as old as I look, or only as
> old as I've always thought I was (meaning 20-something), in jumps Frank
> Stearns! Like Lin Sims, Lynne Price, et. al. You're one of the early-on
> posters I remember saving lives - mine and those of others - back in the
> days of comp.text.frame and similar "pools" of pain-loving techwhrlrs.
> Thanks for chiming in all you old-timers. Glad to hear you're still here.
>
> I second the comment about dodging a bullet over a nit-pick! Remember that
> Groucho Marx, a word-wrangler if there ever was one, said he'd never join a
> group that invited him.
>
> One of the folks among the Jacks and Janes of all trades who comprised
> Ashton-Tate's dBASE II tech support group that I was lucky enough to hire
> into back in '86, (and one exception to Groucho's rule, at least for me,)
> turned out to have been a music transcriber. Yeah, a hand-powered  music
> writer, who made the scores for large orchestras, etc. He saw the
> calligraphy on the wall, namely that technology, bad as it was then, wasn't
> gonna stop encroaching on his skills.
>
> As to nostalgia for lost technologies, Ashton-Tate bought Mac-based
> FullWrite Professional, probably one of the only real competitors to FM's
> range of features then, or perhaps ever, had it survived. So many stories
> in that valley of silicon. Until development couldn't climb the hill fast
> enough, and A-T pulled the plug on FullWrite, it was in the running at the
> place where I first saw FM on Mac and Sun.
>
> I haven't seen anything recently from Klaus Daube. He's been compiling FM
> history.  www.daube.ch There's always more to the story.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:31 AM Frank Stearns  wrote:
>
> > In 1990 or so I'd just completed migrating some 6000 pages of DEC RNO
> > (with pieces of UNIX Troff tossed in) over to LaTeX for my primary
> > client of the day (Aptec Systems, a Floating Point Systems spin-off
> > who made high-speed I/O computers. We're talking large fractions of a
> > million dollars systems (multi-millions for the "big" systems) whose
> > then fantastic bus speeds are today dwarfed by that $500 laptop at
> > Best Buy or Walmart.)
> >
> > One of the engineers had a copy of FM 1.3 on his Sun 3/50
> > invited me to have a look. I was not impressed -- at all. (By that
> > time, while mostly hating it, I could get LaTeX to sit up, roll-over,
> > and play dead -- which it did do from time to time with no prompting.)
> >
> > Months later, that same engineer showed me FM 2.1. Wow. Now we're
> > getting somewhere, as I'd just battled through Ventura Publisher's
> > endless bugs on a project for another client.
> >
> > I'm not exactly sure how the decision was made, but Aptec shifted over
> > to FrameMaker 2.1 (which cost money) from LaTeX which was "free". It
> > might have had something to do with LaTeX bringing even the newer "hot
> > rod" DEC microvaxes to their knees when I ran a job. The engineers
> > would march around my cubical with torches chanting curses, while
> > the system manager scrambled to find resources to handle all the
> > usual product cycle crunch conditions -- doc releases parallel with
> > product releases.
> >
> > Aptec was also shifting over to more of those new-fangled SUN
> > workstations, which were completely independent of the VAXes. "Good!
> > Kick that tech-writer P-I-A over onto the UNIX systems!" The guys were
> > all s happy that LaTeX was no longer crippling their main
> > development platforms. (They finally stopped blaming me personally.)
> >
> > But it did mean yet another migration of those 1000s of pages of docs
> > from LaTeX over to FM. I got pretty handy with MIF and MML (remember
> > MML?). Other conversion help came from macros in MS WORD-for-DOS
> > (perhaps the only Word version that was worthwhile; much more reliable
> > than word for windows) and lots of fun with the text processing power
> > of UNIX and even similar command line functions in VMS.
> >
> > FM 3.0 really started to "open up the world" and provided a whole new
> > look and feel to the documents, and was so much easier to use. For its
> > day "Best Looking/most functional" FM version award probably goes to
> > FM3 on monochrome Sunview.
> >
> > Having cut my teeth on embedded-format command word-processors and
> > typesetters in the mid-1970s, WYSIWYG systems always seemed to be
> > 

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

2020-04-02 Thread Lin Sims
Reveal codes were so awesome. I still miss them. I even edited in the
reveal codes pane.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:34 AM Edwards, Patrick H 
wrote:

> Frame 5.1.1, and oh man WordPerfect as well. I won a copy of Frame 6 for
> Mac at the FrameMaker Chautauqua one year, handed to me by Kay Ethier.
> Seems like yesterday
>
> On 4/2/20, 10:16 AM, "Framers on behalf of Lin Sims"
>  ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Started with, I think, Frame 5.5.2, so I'm a relative newbie compared
> to
> you hoary folks. Before that I was using WordPerfect (a program I still
> have a strong love for).
>
> And I'm sorry to report that FM's spell checker, at least as of
> FM2019, no
> longer suggests FrameMaker for Interleaf. Interleaf is still marked as
> a
> possible misspelling, but the new top suggestion is "Inter-leaf".
> Internet,
> Interlinear, and Interfile are also suggested.
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:09 AM Paul Wilbraham <
> paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Echo that.
> >
> >
> > Paul Wilbraham
> > Senior Consultant & Trainer
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> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 15:12, Craig Ede  wrote:
> >
> > > I had a Windows copy of Frame 3 tossed to me by my company's Tech
> Pubs
> > > manager back in 1991 or 1992. "They say this is better than
> PageMaker.
> > > Check it out!" I was immediately sold on it and I didn't even work
> for
> > his
> > > department. They shifted over after they saw what I was doing with
> it.
> > >
> > > My personal purchased Windows from 1992 was for Windows and on
> disks.
> > >
> > > The suggestion to change Interleaf to FrameMaker is still
> operative when
> > > running spellcheck in FM10, which is the version I happen to have
> on this
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> broken.
> > >
> > > Craig
> > > 
> > > Sed Zaeem Hosain said..
> > >
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> > > the B/W monitor was physically attached to the top of the computer
> > chassis
> > > pizza box).
> > >
> > > Peter, the first Windows version was FM 4, I think ... I beta
> tested it
> > > for Frame Technology then. Came on floppy disks (I think I still
> have
> > them
> > > around here somewhere)!
> > >
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

2020-04-02 Thread Lin Sims
Started with, I think, Frame 5.5.2, so I'm a relative newbie compared to
you hoary folks. Before that I was using WordPerfect (a program I still
have a strong love for).

And I'm sorry to report that FM's spell checker, at least as of FM2019, no
longer suggests FrameMaker for Interleaf. Interleaf is still marked as a
possible misspelling, but the new top suggestion is "Inter-leaf". Internet,
Interlinear, and Interfile are also suggested.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:09 AM Paul Wilbraham 
wrote:

> Echo that.
>
>
> Paul Wilbraham
> Senior Consultant & Trainer
> M-AIS
> T: 0131 226 5893
> M: 07928 797 281
>
>
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 15:12, Craig Ede  wrote:
>
> > I had a Windows copy of Frame 3 tossed to me by my company's Tech Pubs
> > manager back in 1991 or 1992. "They say this is better than PageMaker.
> > Check it out!" I was immediately sold on it and I didn't even work for
> his
> > department. They shifted over after they saw what I was doing with it.
> >
> > My personal purchased Windows from 1992 was for Windows and on disks.
> >
> > The suggestion to change Interleaf to FrameMaker is still operative when
> > running spellcheck in FM10, which is the version I happen to have on this
> > machine. It's probably still in there today. Why fix what ain't broken.
> >
> > Craig
> > 
> > Sed Zaeem Hosain said..
> >
> > For me, it was 1988 (FM version 3, I think?) on a Sun 3/50 (the one where
> > the B/W monitor was physically attached to the top of the computer
> chassis
> > pizza box).
> >
> > Peter, the first Windows version was FM 4, I think ... I beta tested it
> > for Frame Technology then. Came on floppy disks (I think I still have
> them
> > around here somewhere)!
> >
> > Side-bar for those who remember the competition: when you ran spell-check
> > in FM 3, it would correct the word "Interleaf" to "FrameMaker". :)
> >
> > Z
> >
> >
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

2020-04-01 Thread Lin Sims
Huh. I don't know that I've seen that before.

My first guess would be to check and make sure you have all the updates
installed. I think you only need the latest one, since at some point Adobe
went with cumulative instead of sequential updates.

My second would be to check your display drivers. Make sure they are
up-to-date, especially since you say you have new monitors.

My third would be to reset the preferences folder by deleting it.
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker\## (I think this is
13 for FM2015).

Not sure I have a fourth.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:16 PM Jerilynne Knight 
wrote:

> Lordy, it's been so long since I used "Reply All" that I sent my response
> directly to Peter. Duh, lol.
>
> I did putz and fiddle with some of display settings and didn't see any
> changes (including closing & reopening Frame):
>
> This is what I'm seeing:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/19wDICIUJwOnFVZ81xmWdCPpIYIay4D7R/view?usp=sharing
>
> Have a fantabulous day...
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:46 PM Peter Gold 
> wrote:
>
> > If your UI is too small, maybe you need a bigger boat, like in "Jaws"? ;)
> >
> > Seriously, if fiddling with screen resolution doesn't fix the problem,
> > consider posting your screenshot to a location like Dropbox, and post the
> > link here.
> >
> >
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Re: [Framers] ANN: ImportSelectedFormats 1.2

2020-04-01 Thread Lin Sims
Do I get the update? ;-)

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:34 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Hello Framers,
>
>
>
> I have updated my ImportSelectedFormats script by adding more format types.
> More information is here:
>
>
>
> http://frameautomation.com/importing-selected-formats/
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> Rick Quatro
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Framers] Questions re upgrading Frame from 7.1

2020-03-31 Thread Lin Sims
nd what about the .book
> file? Is that preserved if you open all its enclosed files in MIF, or is it
> an option to save a whole old book as MIF so that generated files are also
> converted? Would we have to convert all our Frame 7 books to MIF before
> installing Frame 2019 (or can you have both versions of Frame installed on
> your computer at the same time?)? And do you have to replace fonts for
> Unicode ones?
> 9. Now that Frame has EPUB format as an output, is it good? Is the
> unstructured version capable of it? Does it involve cleanup to make the
> EPUB presentable? Are all the links in the Frame file preserved in the EPUB?
> 10. Finally, what do people think of the subscription model versus buying
> an outright license (if Adobe even still lets people buy a "forever"
> license)? I think I remember seeing some panicked user on the list
> mentioning something about Adobe screwing up their subscription and them
> not having their Frame functionable anymore.
> 11. And another finally, seeing some recent posts about problems someone
> had with the trial version, is there any advice about that?
>
> I am on the digest, so if anyone replies, could you please reply to me
> directly as well as the list? Thanks for any advice you can give.
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] ANN: Ride for Roswell and FrameMaker Automation

2020-03-30 Thread Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] Best way to import/add select paragraph formats?

2020-03-26 Thread Lin Sims
So, Rick, when will this be available in your store? ;-)

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:48 PM Art Campbell  wrote:

> If this is the script that Rick ran up for me, big thumbs up -- works
> great, allowing you to push a format to a file, book...
>
> Quick and easy.
>
> Art Campbell
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>DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 6:55 PM Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
> > Hi Jason,
> >
> > I have an unreleased script that will do this. Contact me off list and I
> > will send you the documentation. Thank you very much.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > r...@frameexpert.com
> > 585-729-6746
> > www.frameexpert.com/store/
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers 
> > On
> > Behalf Of Jason Nichols
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:45 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: [Framers] Best way to import/add select paragraph formats?
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > More and more, the tech writing team I'm on needs to important just
> > specific
> > Character Formats and Paragraph Formats into a file or set of files.
> >
> > Searching through the archives, I found the method below suggested by
> Fred
> > Ritter.
> > <https://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg55885.html
> >
> > Is this still the best way to accomplish this goal, or does anyone know
> of
> > a
> > better method or tool that's been discovered or developed in the
> meantime?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance!
> >
> > Fred Ridder's technique:
> >
> > 1) Copy any paragraph of the desired format from the source file.
> > 2) Paste it into the target file.
> > 3) Use the Paragraph Designer to add the paragraph format to the current
> > file's catalog.
> > 4) Delete the pasted paragraph.
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: [Framers] Best way to import/add select paragraph formats?

2020-03-26 Thread Lin Sims
I often use MIF snippets.


   1. Save the file with the formats you want in it as a MIF.
   2. Open the file in a text editor.
   3. Delete everything except the definitions for the tags you want.
   4. Save the file (make sure the extension stays MIF).
   5. In FM, open the MIF file and the file you want those specific formats
   in.
   6. Import paragraph (or character, or whatever) formats from the MIF
   file to the FM file.

Alternatively, you can create a new, clean file, import the tags from the
file that has the formats you want into it, and then just go through each
catalog and delete the formats you DON'T want from it. Save, then open the
file you need those new formats in and import from the clean file.



On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:44 PM Jason Nichols  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> More and more, the tech writing team I'm on needs to important just
> specific Character Formats and Paragraph Formats into a file or set of
> files.
>
> Searching through the archives, I found the method below suggested by
> Fred Ritter.
> <https://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg55885.html>
> Is this still the best way to accomplish this goal, or does anyone know
> of a better method or tool that's been discovered or developed in the
> meantime?
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
> Fred Ridder's technique:
>
> 1) Copy any paragraph of the desired format from the source file.
> 2) Paste it into the target file.
> 3) Use the Paragraph Designer to add the paragraph format to the current
> file's catalog.
> 4) Delete the pasted paragraph.
>
>
> Stay well,
>
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Re: [Framers] I wish...

2020-03-13 Thread Lin Sims
They're developing the next release. I've been asked to participate in Beta
testing, so I added this as a request.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:06 AM Art Campbell  wrote:

> YES!
> Great feature request when they start developing the next rev.
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:19 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > Good morning, guys.
> >
> > I have a book of about 400 files. Sometimes I need to use the search icon
> > on the top of the book to locate the file in which I need to work.
> >
> > I wish that when you did a search, that the file in the book list would
> be
> > highlighted.
> >
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Re: [Framers] Resp. HTML issue

2020-03-12 Thread Lin Sims
See attached screenshot.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:11 AM Doug  wrote:

> Funny, the tech who helped me didn't seem to have any knowledge that this
> issue had already been discovered and reported.
>
> GRR.
>
> I just voted on 6502, hopefully they'll fix it (somedayargh).
>
> In the following workaround, what does he mean by switching off the
> Preference setting?  Will that prevent this issue from happening?
>
> Any Workarounds:
> Switching the Preference setting off before using the Pod
>
>
>
> Doug,
> >
> > This is bug *FRMAKER-6502* <
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-6502>
> > ([CRASHER] Auto-Collapse Iconic Pods ruins Publish Pod).
> > I strongly hope that it will be fixed in the next issue of FM...
> > We can push this, if we vote on a bug!
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> > ~
> > Klaus Daube Phone:  +41-44-381 37 77
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Re: [Framers] Resp. HTML issue

2020-03-11 Thread Lin Sims
Just to check, are you using both the latest update for Frame and the
latest updates for your OS?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:06 PM Doug  wrote:

> Frame has started to misbehave (again).
>
> This time it happens when I use the Publish functionality to create
> Responsive HTML.  To reproduce this, do the following:
>
> 1. In an open document, click File > Publish.
> 2. Click the Change Settings button on the Publish dialog.
> 3. On the drop-down menu that displays, click Edit.  the Publish Settings
> dialog displays.
> 4. Click anywhere in the Edit dialog.
>
> At this point the Edit dialog will vanish, and the main Frame window will
> become unresponsive.  You can't even click the X button in the corner to
> close it.  You have to right-click the task bar button (or use the Task
> Manager) to kill it.
>
> I thought I could fix it by Frame regenerate the STS file, but I did that
> and there was no change.
>
> Ideas?
>
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Re: [Framers] Book-level conversion of FM 19 to Word

2020-02-06 Thread Lin Sims
You can export to RTF, but only on a file-by-file basis. It'll keep the
styles but you'll still need to do some clean-up because Word.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:08 AM Caroline Tabach 
wrote:

> When I export to Word it seems to keep styles.
> Maybe try
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020, 16:53 Lin Sims,  wrote:
>
> > Yeah, creating a PDF and exporting it to Word was my first thought. The
> > only problem with that is that you lose all your styles/tags. It'll look
> > the same, but there's no way to easily apply and/or update formatting.
> >
> > Rick Quatro has a script that mass converts to varying FM and MIF
> outputs.
> > I imagine it would be pretty easy to add RTF as an output format.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:18 AM Doug  wrote:
> >
> > > Print to PDF then open the PDF in Word?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:17 AM John Posada 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi guys, good morning.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way of doing a batch conversion of a complete book (about
> > 300
> > > > files of almost 900 pages) into Word? I'm open to having to acquire a
> > > > plugin or script.
> > > >
> > > > I'm undecided on whether I'd like 300 individual Word files or a
> single
> > > > Word file...open to suggestions.
> > > >
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Re: [Framers] Book-level conversion of FM 19 to Word

2020-02-06 Thread Lin Sims
Yeah, creating a PDF and exporting it to Word was my first thought. The
only problem with that is that you lose all your styles/tags. It'll look
the same, but there's no way to easily apply and/or update formatting.

Rick Quatro has a script that mass converts to varying FM and MIF outputs.
I imagine it would be pretty easy to add RTF as an output format.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:18 AM Doug  wrote:

> Print to PDF then open the PDF in Word?
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:17 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > Hi guys, good morning.
> >
> > Is there a way of doing a batch conversion of a complete book (about 300
> > files of almost 900 pages) into Word? I'm open to having to acquire a
> > plugin or script.
> >
> > I'm undecided on whether I'd like 300 individual Word files or a single
> > Word file...open to suggestions.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-16 Thread Lin Sims
What is an optical margin?

Also, if you're looking for "old style numerals", are you talking about
where numbers like the 3 extending slightly below the baseline? That
appears to be a function of the font set as much as anything else. I'm
pretty sure I've seen fonts that provide that still.

As for super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, again, depending on the
font you use, there are font sets that include super and subscript glyphs
that work well as numerators and denominators, instead of using the
superscript/subscript function on the character designer. I've got a whole
set of variables that are just constructed fractions using built-in font
glyphs. (We use Source Sans Pro because it has a lot of the mathematical
symbols we need and it also lets us construct those fractions.)

At any rate, if there are features you'd like added, you can always put in
a feature request: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home
Talk about them here and I'm sure a bunch of us would vote for them. You
can also make requests on the Adobe FrameMaker forum:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/bd-p/framemaker?page=1=latest_replies=all
and
tag it with Feature Request.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mike Wickham  wrote:

> New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features
> for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the
> program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of
> graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a
> graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns
> wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType
> features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless
> about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical
> margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed
> docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators?
> Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for
> either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both.
>
> Mike
>
> On 1/15/2020 2:54 PM, TW Smith wrote:
> > Over the years, I've beta tested a few FrameMaker versions. I always test
> > on live projects, which I know isn't the best idea, but it gives me
> > information about how the beta works in the real world. Before the beta
> > concludes, I save my project files as MIF, so I can continue documenting
> in
> > the non-beta, current FM version. Not sure what I need in a new version
> of
> > FM. Probably stronger Word filters, a better way to round-trip MIF, and a
> > more robust and straightforward way of finding missing fonts in the
> actual
> > files. Cheers.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:58 PM Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> >
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-15 Thread Lin Sims
My memory for dates is a sieve. Lynne is correct, and if the 18-month cycle
holds true, we should see 2020 sometime in March.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:03 PM Lynne A. Price  wrote:

> I believe that FM 2019 was released in September, 2018--close enough to
> 2019 to use the later year in the product name.
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>
> On 1/14/2020 9:16 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
> > IIRC, 2019 was
> > released in January 2019, so expect something in June-ish.
>
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-14 Thread Lin Sims
Adobe seems to have stabilized on an 18-month release cycle. IIRC, 2019 was
released in January 2019, so expect something in June-ish. And if I didn't
recall correctly, add 18 months to whenever it actually was released.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:37 AM Jeff Coatsworth <
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> That would be a big NOPE - haven't even heard any scuttlebutt on a beta
> yet.
>
>
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Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book

2020-01-10 Thread Lin Sims
It does that automatically now, although it's still faster if you have them
all open. I usually have all my files open anyway for xref creation so it's
never been an issue for me.

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:44 PM Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Oh, there's a blast from the past. In FM7 there was some issue that
> meant I had to open all the files in a book when saving as PDF. That
> was one of the incentives for putting all the chapters in a single .fm
> file.
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:06 AM Lin Sims  wrote:
> >
> > Holding down Shift, not Ctrl. :D
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:21 AM Fred Ridder  wrote:
> >
> > > Have you tried opening all the component files before you kick off the
> > > update book operation? If you don't do this, any kind of
> "informational"
> > > dialog like the infamous "missing fonts" message or "inconsistent
> > > conditions" or "inconsistent color definitions"  messages will make the
> > > book update hang because the dialog must be dismissed before the file
> in
> > > question can be fully opened.
> > >
> > > Opening all the files in not as onerous as it sounds. If you hold down
> > > Ctrl when you pull down the File menu, all the commands (Open, Save,
> Save
> > > As) will be "all" commands (Open All, Save All, etc.). Just remember
> that
> > > you do have to explicitly save the updated component files after
> running
> > > the update because they are not automatically saved if they are in the
> open
> > > state when updated.
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Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book

2020-01-09 Thread Lin Sims
SuuUUre.

That's your story, and you're sticking to it, huh?

(Right there with you, actually.)

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Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book

2020-01-09 Thread Lin Sims
I've never used a comment marker. I didn't even know they existed, but
that's mostly because I don't use markers much. I should probably look into
their functionality.

For me, I just create a condition tag for comments because that makes it
easy to find and edit comments.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:49 AM Carol J. Elkins 
wrote:

> At 03:17 AM 1/9/2020, barry.meis...@nuvoton.com wrote:
> >I have a particularly long book (about 30 files, 1200 pages total,
> >non-structured FM) that "dies" in the middle (towards the first
> >third, actually) of the update (book generation).
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> You didn't say specifically what happens when the book "dies" during
> the update process. Does Frame crash? Or does nothing happen at all?
> Any error message?
>
> Many years ago, my Frame 12 would mysteriously crash during book
> generation and by laboriously doing what Lin suggested, I narrowed it
> down to a page containing a Comment marker that had a hard return in
> it. When I deleted the hard return, Frame was happy again. It
> happened frequently thereafter in other books, and every single time
> it was a doggone hard return in a Comment marker.
>
> Carol
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Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book

2020-01-09 Thread Lin Sims
Holding down Shift, not Ctrl. :D



On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:21 AM Fred Ridder  wrote:

> Have you tried opening all the component files before you kick off the
> update book operation? If you don't do this, any kind of "informational"
> dialog like the infamous "missing fonts" message or "inconsistent
> conditions" or "inconsistent color definitions"  messages will make the
> book update hang because the dialog must be dismissed before the file in
> question can be fully opened.
>
> Opening all the files in not as onerous as it sounds. If you hold down
> Ctrl when you pull down the File menu, all the commands (Open, Save, Save
> As) will be "all" commands (Open All, Save All, etc.). Just remember that
> you do have to explicitly save the updated component files after running
> the update because they are not automatically saved if they are in the open
> state when updated.
>
> -FR
>
> 
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> on behalf of barry.meis...@nuvoton.com 
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> Subject: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the
> middle of a long book
>
> Hi,
> I have a particularly long book (about 30 files, 1200 pages total,
> non-structured FM) that "dies" in the middle (towards the first third,
> actually) of the update (book generation).
>
> I update other books successfully---all the time. It's just this one book
> that has been causing me tremendous, frustrating problems.
>
> Actually, I succeed on the first attempt (typically); but can't get it to
> work after that and this prevents me from being able to work on it.
>
> Any ideas why this is happening and what I can do to "fix" it?
>
> Thanks much in advance,
> Barry Meislin
>
>
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Re: [Framers] In FM 2019, the "Update Book" function "dies" in the middle of a long book

2020-01-09 Thread Lin Sims
My go-to is performing a MIF wash of the book. Adobe actually has a DLL for
that which, for some reason, it doesn't include as part of the basic
installation (see
https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/kb/how-to-use-mifwash-utility-in-framemaker.html)
.

If that doesn't work, I start working my way through halves of the book.
That is, I try to PDF the last half of the book. If that works, I know the
problem is in the first half. Then I PDF half of the remaining files. If
that works, I move on to half of the remaining files, and so on, until I
isolate which file is causing the issue. Repeat the process on the pages of
the file itself.

Most often, an issue like this is caused by a corrupted graphics file.
Isolate it and then try to figure out what went wrong with it, which can
mean recreating it.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 5:33 AM  wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a particularly long book (about 30 files, 1200 pages total,
> non-structured FM) that "dies" in the middle (towards the first third,
> actually) of the update (book generation).
>
> I update other books successfully---all the time. It's just this one book
> that has been causing me tremendous, frustrating problems.
>
> Actually, I succeed on the first attempt (typically); but can't get it to
> work after that and this prevents me from being able to work on it.
>
> Any ideas why this is happening and what I can do to "fix" it?
>
> Thanks much in advance,
> Barry Meislin
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] FM19 Publish PDF Problem

2020-01-08 Thread Lin Sims
With the Publish pod, or with Save as PDF?

Hey, John, can you create a PDF if you use Save as PDF, or if you print to
file using the Adobe Printer? In other words, does it fail the same way for
all 3 ways of creating a PDF, or only if you use the Publish pod?

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:44 PM TW Smith  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can confirm that FM 2019 works with (aging) Acrobat XI Pro. However, I am
> considering biting the bullet and just moving to Acrobat DC. Perhaps this
> will help you?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sean
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:22 PM John Posada 
> wrote:
>
> > Up to date
> >
> > From: Framers  > hudsongroup@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of TW Smith
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> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
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> > Subject: Re: [Framers] FM19 Publish PDF Problem
> >
> > Try selecting Help > Updates from FrameMaker and see if it finds
> anything.
> >
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Re: [Framers] FM19 Publish PDF Problem

2020-01-08 Thread Lin Sims
I'm pretty certain that Acrobat 9 is too old to be used by the Publish pod.
Your best choice is probably to get your employer to pony up for a
subscription to Acrobat DC.

However (because I could be wrong), try contacting Adobe support for the
Technical Communication Suite.

https://helpx.adobe.com/support/tech-comm-suite.html

Make sure you are logged in to the Adobe site with a valid Adobe ID
(preferably the one associated with the license or subscription for
FrameMaker) and scroll to the bottom of the page to the chat icon. Click it
and type in Agent in order to get connected to a real Adobe employee
instead of the AI. Good luck.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:42 PM John Posada  wrote:

> Hi Lin...FrameMaker was installed as a trial, with the license number being
> added by IT.
> Acrobat 9 was It was installed prior to Acrobat, this afternoon.
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:34 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > The Publish pod for Frame2019 is a complete replacement for how Frame
> > creates PDFs. I don't think the Publish pod can even work with Acrobat 9
> as
> > the PDF engine.
> >
> > If you didn't use a custom install and already had Acrobat installed on
> > your machine, then it's probable that Acrobat 9 is conflicting with the
> > "headless" version of Acrobat installed with Frame2019 that Frame2019 is
> > trying to use to create PDFs through the Publish Pod. And if you DID do
> the
> > custom install and prevented Frame from installing the headless version,
> > the Publish Pod is looking for Acrobat DC and not finding it.
> >
> > Basically, your choices are to remove Frame and do a custom reinstall
> > without the included Acrobat engine, and thus being unable to use the
> > Publish pod to generate a PDF, or to remove Acrobat 9 completely and
> > reinstall Frame to fix the publishing engine.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:22 PM John Posada 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Up to date
> > >
> > > From: Framers  > > hudsongroup@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of TW Smith
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:03 PM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] FM19 Publish PDF Problem
> > >
> > > Try selecting Help > Updates from FrameMaker and see if it finds
> > anything.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:57 PM Jeff Coatsworth <
> > > jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com<mailto:jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Then it's definitely in need of patching - fresh installs start with
> > the
> > > > Day 0 version of the software (they don't recompile the original
> > > installer
> > > > each time a patch is released)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: Framers  > > > jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com > > jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com>> on behalf of John Posada <
> > > > jpos...@hudsongroup.com<mailto:jpos...@hudsongroup.com>>
> > > > Sent: January 8, 2020 2:54 PM
> > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] FM19 Publish PDF Problem
> > > >
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > Adobe PDF is listed as a printer
> > > > My version of FM was downloaded 2 weeks ago.
> > > >
> > > > From: Framers  > > > hudsongroup@lists.frameusers.com > > hudsongroup@lists.frameusers.com>> On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:49 PM
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> > > > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] FM19 Publish PDF Problem
> > > >
> > > > Is there an instance of the Adobe PDF "printer" in your list of
> Windows
> > > > printers? Is your FM2019 all patched up? There were PDF issues with
> the
> > > > first few patches.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
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Re: [Framers] How would you address this?

2020-01-07 Thread Lin Sims
At a first glance? What I'd do is assign a condition to each author and
then generate a book that has only their condition turned on.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 3:15 PM John Posada  wrote:

> Stipulation...no scripts and I'm using FM19.
>
> I have a Book with currently, now, about 400 files, though I believe I've
> only scratched the surface.
>
> Each file contains content that was sucked in from various locations,
> written by various authors, between 2014 and current.
>
> In effect, it is a compendium of "stuff"
>
> I have a couple of people who are reviewing the 550 pages, entering the
> names of those who own the content to update, replace, or remove.
>
> I want to embed the author's name, I assume as a marker, in each section
> with the intent that later on I can produce a "book" of material that is
> assigned to them.
>
> How would you approach this?
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Re: [Framers] Is there a URL pluggin for this?

2020-01-06 Thread Lin Sims
You can probably get a script to do that, but as far as I know, FM does not
automatically create hypertext links for URLs.

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:29 AM John Posada  wrote:

> In my documentation, I include a lot of URLs to documentation on our
> SharePoint network.
>
> Currently, I copy the URL, paste the URL. then highlight the whole URL,
> Insert -> Hypertext -> Command Go to URL -> paste after "message URL".
>
> What I'm looking for is something that will look for all the URLs, then in
> batch mode, turn all the text URLs to hypertext URLs.
>
> Or something like that. Am I missing something?
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Re: [Framers] How to format source code in FM

2020-01-02 Thread Lin Sims
SVGs are text searchable, so you could always use SVG graphics.

Beyond that, no, Frame is not an IDE and it has no automation for
formatting code. It doesn't even recognize code.

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 4:28 PM  wrote:

> I'm ignorant in this area, but what about swapping the MD coding for RTF
> coding?
> It could be done with a multi-step VBA macro, then imported as a Word file.
>
> Dave Creamer
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>
> --
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 12:29:59 -0800
> From: Robert Lauriston 
>
> Markdown itself doesn't have syntax highlighting, that's done by the
> rendering engine. So there's nothing to convert.
>
> https://github.com/adam-p/markdown-here/wiki/Markdown-Cheatsheet#code
> I don't know of any FrameMaker add-on that can add syntax highlighting to
> PDF output.
> You could use Pandoc rather than FrameMaker to go from Markdown to PDF.
>
> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#syntax-highlighting
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:42 PM Orly Zimmerman  wrote:
> >
> > HI All, I have a document in Markdown (md) that I was asked to convert to
> FM.  I can do it quickly using wildcards,regexs and scripts.
> > All is fine and good, except when I get to source code. The source code
> is
> formatted extremely nicely and clearly (with different colors for commands,
> comments, etc and also with code line numbers) in the MD file. I can't come
> close to it in FM without using a fair share of different, newly created
> para and char tags, etc.This is extremely frustrating because I can take
> the
> text and simply plunk it into Notepad++ and it gets formatted properly
> depending on the language I choose. Perhaps there is a secret setting
> somewhere in FM, that FM can read this code and understand how to format
> it?
> and save me loads of time.
> > I prefer not creating a JPG or BMP of the code - because then the info
> > won't be searchable in the PDF. Many Thanks for any ideas :)Happy New
> > Year!Orly Zimmerman
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Re: [Framers] What does the Adobe FM license say about this...

2020-01-02 Thread Lin Sims
That's the official Adobe terms of use. Beyond that, I got nuttin'.

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> I think its a difference between what you can and what you should do.
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 2:17 PM tammyvb 
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> > Is this limitation to one machine at a time new for FM2019? I have FM12
> on
> > 2 different machines and I run them at the same time all the time, no
> > problem.Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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> > sending me the license number today for FM2019 to take it off> trial.>>
> > Does FM allow installation on another machine as long as it is for the
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Re: [Framers] What does the Adobe FM license say about this...

2019-12-31 Thread Lin Sims
You are allowed to have it installed and activated on 2 machines, but only
one installation/machine at a time can be in use.

Which is to say, you can't have it open and running on both machines at the
same time.

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Re: [Framers] Condition expression for conditional text

2019-12-20 Thread Lin Sims
Book 44 ... damnit. Tpyos r me.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:42 PM Lin Sims  wrote:

> Err, by repeat for each book, I mean duplicate the expressions but editing
> them appropriately. So Book 40, which is your special one, uses almost the
> identical expression:
>
> Book 44, PDF: not (40 or 41 or 42 or HTML) and not (44 and HTML)
> Book 44, HTML: not (40 or 41 or 42 or PDF) and not (44 and PDF)
>
> I think you can see from this how the expressions would need to be edited
> for 41 and 42?
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:35 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> Conditioning text works best if you keep it consistent: all of your
>> conditions should be constructed either for the information you DO want to
>> appear in a specific document or for information you DON'T want to appear
>> in a specific document. Making some conditions for information you want in
>> and some you want out is, as you're discovering, hard to work with,
>> especially when you have some of the conditions on a piece of information
>> are for showing and some are for hiding.
>>
>> Over the years, I've found that it is far, far easier to tag for the
>> documents you want the information to be IN.
>>
>> For example, in your case, if the information is only visible in 41, tag
>> it with 41 but not 40, 42, or 44. If it's visible in 40, 41, and 42 but not
>> 44, tag it with 40, 41, and 42 but not 44. Yes, it seems like extra work,
>> but it produces consistent results.
>>
>> You also have two output conditions, PDF or HTML. This is where things
>> get trickier and where expressions come into play because you have to
>> carefully describe the information you want to be visible when there are
>> multiple tags on the text. (The problem with using the Show/Hide panes is
>> that if you have multiple tags on the text, using the Show/Hide panes means
>> that the text will be visible if even one tag is in the Show pane.)
>>
>> If you tag the way I suggest, I believe the following will work:
>>
>> For Book 40, PDF: not (41 or 42 or 44 or HTML) and not (40 and HTML)
>> For Book 40, HTML: not (41 or 42 or 44 or PDF) and not (40 and PDF)
>>
>> and repeat for each book.
>>
>> One of these days, I ought to write up an article on complex conditional
>> expressions. At one point, I was handling a set of files with 10 different
>> outputs arising from 15 different conditions. The expressions were ...
>> complicated. And very, very long. I actually used multiple tables to figure
>> out the combinations needed to produce the output I wanted.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:38 AM Doug  wrote:
>>
>>> Things are getting complicated.
>>>
>>> I'm currently editing a chapter that is common to four books.  The books
>>> are 40, 41, 42, and 44.  Some content isn't applicable to book 44, so
>>> I've
>>> set up a condition tag named "Not 44".
>>>
>>> The problematic content sections use the tags (Not 44+PDF) and (Not
>>> 44+HTML), since some content is PDF-only and other content is HTML only.
>>> Needless to say, these bits of content are applicable to 40, 41, and 42
>>> (but not 44).
>>>
>>> Is using "Not 44" a bad condition?  I feel it must be because when I Show
>>> As Per Expression it shows both the  (Not 44+PDF) and (Not 44+HTML)
>>> sections, I assume because the expression says in include "Not 44"
>>> content.  It's as if the parentheses don't mean anything.
>>>
>>> Some content is unique to each book (4 condition possibilities)
>>> Some is common to some books
>>> Some is common to all books
>>> Some is PDF
>>> Some is HTML
>>>
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Re: [Framers] Condition expression for conditional text

2019-12-20 Thread Lin Sims
Err, by repeat for each book, I mean duplicate the expressions but editing
them appropriately. So Book 40, which is your special one, uses almost the
identical expression:

Book 44, PDF: not (40 or 41 or 42 or HTML) and not (44 and HTML)
Book 44, HTML: not (40 or 41 or 42 or PDF) and not (44 and PDF)

I think you can see from this how the expressions would need to be edited
for 41 and 42?

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:35 PM Lin Sims  wrote:

> Conditioning text works best if you keep it consistent: all of your
> conditions should be constructed either for the information you DO want to
> appear in a specific document or for information you DON'T want to appear
> in a specific document. Making some conditions for information you want in
> and some you want out is, as you're discovering, hard to work with,
> especially when you have some of the conditions on a piece of information
> are for showing and some are for hiding.
>
> Over the years, I've found that it is far, far easier to tag for the
> documents you want the information to be IN.
>
> For example, in your case, if the information is only visible in 41, tag
> it with 41 but not 40, 42, or 44. If it's visible in 40, 41, and 42 but not
> 44, tag it with 40, 41, and 42 but not 44. Yes, it seems like extra work,
> but it produces consistent results.
>
> You also have two output conditions, PDF or HTML. This is where things get
> trickier and where expressions come into play because you have to carefully
> describe the information you want to be visible when there are multiple
> tags on the text. (The problem with using the Show/Hide panes is that if
> you have multiple tags on the text, using the Show/Hide panes means that
> the text will be visible if even one tag is in the Show pane.)
>
> If you tag the way I suggest, I believe the following will work:
>
> For Book 40, PDF: not (41 or 42 or 44 or HTML) and not (40 and HTML)
> For Book 40, HTML: not (41 or 42 or 44 or PDF) and not (40 and PDF)
>
> and repeat for each book.
>
> One of these days, I ought to write up an article on complex conditional
> expressions. At one point, I was handling a set of files with 10 different
> outputs arising from 15 different conditions. The expressions were ...
> complicated. And very, very long. I actually used multiple tables to figure
> out the combinations needed to produce the output I wanted.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:38 AM Doug  wrote:
>
>> Things are getting complicated.
>>
>> I'm currently editing a chapter that is common to four books.  The books
>> are 40, 41, 42, and 44.  Some content isn't applicable to book 44, so I've
>> set up a condition tag named "Not 44".
>>
>> The problematic content sections use the tags (Not 44+PDF) and (Not
>> 44+HTML), since some content is PDF-only and other content is HTML only.
>> Needless to say, these bits of content are applicable to 40, 41, and 42
>> (but not 44).
>>
>> Is using "Not 44" a bad condition?  I feel it must be because when I Show
>> As Per Expression it shows both the  (Not 44+PDF) and (Not 44+HTML)
>> sections, I assume because the expression says in include "Not 44"
>> content.  It's as if the parentheses don't mean anything.
>>
>> Some content is unique to each book (4 condition possibilities)
>> Some is common to some books
>> Some is common to all books
>> Some is PDF
>> Some is HTML
>>
>> Ideas?  Thanks.
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Re: [Framers] Condition expression for conditional text

2019-12-20 Thread Lin Sims
Conditioning text works best if you keep it consistent: all of your
conditions should be constructed either for the information you DO want to
appear in a specific document or for information you DON'T want to appear
in a specific document. Making some conditions for information you want in
and some you want out is, as you're discovering, hard to work with,
especially when you have some of the conditions on a piece of information
are for showing and some are for hiding.

Over the years, I've found that it is far, far easier to tag for the
documents you want the information to be IN.

For example, in your case, if the information is only visible in 41, tag it
with 41 but not 40, 42, or 44. If it's visible in 40, 41, and 42 but not
44, tag it with 40, 41, and 42 but not 44. Yes, it seems like extra work,
but it produces consistent results.

You also have two output conditions, PDF or HTML. This is where things get
trickier and where expressions come into play because you have to carefully
describe the information you want to be visible when there are multiple
tags on the text. (The problem with using the Show/Hide panes is that if
you have multiple tags on the text, using the Show/Hide panes means that
the text will be visible if even one tag is in the Show pane.)

If you tag the way I suggest, I believe the following will work:

For Book 40, PDF: not (41 or 42 or 44 or HTML) and not (40 and HTML)
For Book 40, HTML: not (41 or 42 or 44 or PDF) and not (40 and PDF)

and repeat for each book.

One of these days, I ought to write up an article on complex conditional
expressions. At one point, I was handling a set of files with 10 different
outputs arising from 15 different conditions. The expressions were ...
complicated. And very, very long. I actually used multiple tables to figure
out the combinations needed to produce the output I wanted.


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:38 AM Doug  wrote:

> Things are getting complicated.
>
> I'm currently editing a chapter that is common to four books.  The books
> are 40, 41, 42, and 44.  Some content isn't applicable to book 44, so I've
> set up a condition tag named "Not 44".
>
> The problematic content sections use the tags (Not 44+PDF) and (Not
> 44+HTML), since some content is PDF-only and other content is HTML only.
> Needless to say, these bits of content are applicable to 40, 41, and 42
> (but not 44).
>
> Is using "Not 44" a bad condition?  I feel it must be because when I Show
> As Per Expression it shows both the  (Not 44+PDF) and (Not 44+HTML)
> sections, I assume because the expression says in include "Not 44"
> content.  It's as if the parentheses don't mean anything.
>
> Some content is unique to each book (4 condition possibilities)
> Some is common to some books
> Some is common to all books
> Some is PDF
> Some is HTML
>
> Ideas?  Thanks.
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

2019-12-18 Thread Lin Sims
I automate as much as I can, and for that very reason. A few weeks ago, I
learned how to create a Quick Step in Outlook (company email, you know how
it is) that automates the emails I send asking for document reviews or
announcing released documents. I was really please to find I could set up
recipients and content like that. (MS does not make it easy.)

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:29 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Speaking for myself, I say lazy and hard-headed. I can't stand doing
> "monkey
> work." Automation has made work more tolerable and efficient for clients
> and
> me. When a potential client tells me that they can't spend money on
> scripts,
> I wonder if their managers know how much time and accuracy is lost through
> doing repetitive tasks manually.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:03 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
>
> Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is
> brilliantly self-correcting! ;)
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:15 AM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it!
> >
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

2019-12-18 Thread Lin Sims
I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it!

Thank you for the information, Klaus. I may look into it.

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 6:15 AM Klaus Daube  wrote:

> On 17 Dec 2019 at 11:25, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> > For example, table footnotes are always at the *very end* of the table.
> If
> > you have a multipage table, that can be a real nuisance.
>
> At the pre-Tekom *Adobe TC Partner Conference 2019* this November Jang
> Graat  showed me a script that does this:
> Convert table footnotes to ordinary footnotes.
> He is also currently developing Frexels: calculating in tables à la
> Excel...
>
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

2019-12-17 Thread Lin Sims
Almost anything. :)

Some things I think the design of the program make impossible. For example,
table footnotes are always at the *very end* of the table. If you have a
multipage table, that can be a real nuisance.

The only workaround is to put xrefs in the table to information in a footer
row that is formatted to look like a footnote, but then you have all of the
"footnotes" appearing on every page instead of only on the page where
they're wanted. Maybe what's needed is a way to make table footnotes go to
the bottom of the page like regular text footnotes instead of being part of
the table structure, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they wouldn't be
able to move with the table if edits changed its position.

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 10:39 AM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Just one more reason to believe that, in the right hands, FrameMaker can do
> anything authors discover that they need it to do, and that the collective
> community knowledge probably contains a solution!
>
> Thanks, Rick!
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 6:20 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
> > I posted a free script that will do this for you on my blog. Any
> questions
> > or comments are welcome.
> >
> > http://frameautomation.com/automatic-backup-on-save/
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Rick Quatro
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Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?

2019-12-16 Thread Lin Sims
Nope.

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Re: [Framers] Captions

2019-12-13 Thread Lin Sims
Frame goes to where you put the cross-reference marker, so yes, if you want
the graphic to be visible when you jump to it, you have to put the marker
above the graphic. Frame only has one type of cross-reference marker; there
is no way for the program to distinguish between "this place in the text",
"this caption above a graphic", or "this caption below a graphic".

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:19 AM Doug  wrote:

> Is there an industry standard or best practice to follow when deciding
> where to place the caption for an image, table, or equation?  The obvious
> choices are either above the object or below it.
>
> Also, if you place your captions below, how do you deal with making
> cross-references to the caption?  In my experience the caption displays at
> the top of the screen after the link jump. which puts the object out of
> sight above the top of the screen in this case.
>
> It almost seems as if FrameMaker expects users to put captions above the
> object.
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Re: [Framers] Frame Properties

2019-12-12 Thread Lin Sims
Re your request to be able to make an xref unclickable (FRMAKER-5971): I
really don't think that's possible (but I am not a software engineer).

What you can do for now, however, is create an xref format that uses the
 building block. That will make it look like the rest of
the surrounding text. Yes, it'll still be clickable in the PDF, but it
won't visibliy jump out at the user that this is a link rather than just
text unless they pass their cursor over it.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 11:30 AM Doug  wrote:

> I've submitted a Feature Request for this:FRMAKER-7643
> <https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-7643>
>
> I've three others as well, all with zero votes (sigh).  Please consider
> voting those those as well, everyone.
>
> FRMAKER-6739 <https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-6739>
> FRMAKER-5971 <https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-5971>
> FRMAKER-5570 <https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-5570>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 9:58 AM Reng Winfried <
> w.r...@carecom-solutions.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> > I am not sure which object properties you want to show.
> >
> > When your object properties pod is open, you see the
> > properties of inserted graphics.
> >
> > When you click Insert | Anchored Frame, this opens the
> > Anchored Frame pod.
> > When you now click on any anchored frame, the pod
> > shows immediately the dimensions and the anchoring.
> >
> > However, you will not get the properties of text frames
> > or of FrameMaker graphics objects (lines, rectangles, etc.).
> > Create a new request in the Adobe Tracker:
> > https://tracker.adobe.com/
> > Post the issue number, and I will vote for it.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Winfried
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers  > carecom-solutions@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Doug
> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 3:48 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Frame Properties
> >
> > Thanks for the response.
> >
> > Part of the problem is that both text frames and graphic frames use modal
> > Properties dialogs.  This means I'm not able to save a workspace while
> they
> > are on-screen.  This is unlike the images themselves, and anchored
> frames,
> > which use modeless dialogs; I can leave those on-screen all the time.
> >
> > I guess what I need is a way to display a modal dialog in a modeless
> > manner.  It seems to be such an arbitrary distinction, text/graphic
> frames
> > vs. image/anchored frames.
> >
> > In this respect Framemaker seems to be quite behind the standard set by
> > other Adobe apps, like InDesign, Illustrator, etc.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:54 AM Lin Sims  wrote:
> >
> > > You can configure a personal workspace that will have the Object
> > > Properties pod viewable at all times, if that's what you mean.
> > >
> > > Click Graphics > Object Properties, make sure it's open on the screen,
> > > then save as a workspace.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 9:58 AM Doug  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I want the Properties to display whenever I select a frame.  I don't
> > > > want to press Shft+F6 every time.  Ideally I'd like a dialog to
> > > > always be on
> > > the
> > > > screen, passively displaying the properties as I select each frame.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a mod/script/etc for this?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Doug
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Re: [Framers] Frame Properties

2019-12-11 Thread Lin Sims
You can configure a personal workspace that will have the Object Properties
pod viewable at all times, if that's what you mean.

Click Graphics > Object Properties, make sure it's open on the screen, then
save as a workspace.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 9:58 AM Doug  wrote:

> I want the Properties to display whenever I select a frame.  I don't want
> to press Shft+F6 every time.  Ideally I'd like a dialog to always be on the
> screen, passively displaying the properties as I select each frame.
>
> Is there a mod/script/etc for this?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [Framers] FM19 and Kindle

2019-12-11 Thread Lin Sims
I think you're missing something. A quick Google shows that KindleGen is an
Amazon product. I suspect that the publishing tool works with it but does
not include it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8=1000765211

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> Hi guys...I've been working with the FM19 Trial since Monday and I'm 99% of
> the way there.
>
> I'm exploring the option of generating an output for Kindle...we have field
> service people who can read Kindle files.
>
> When I select Kindle in Publish, I get a message that it is looking for an
> executable called KindleGen, which I don't seem to have.
>
> Is this a trial thing or am I missing something?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [Framers] Batch Word Conversion

2019-12-05 Thread Lin Sims
Not in unstructured, no. I can't speak to structured.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 1:31 PM John Posada  wrote:

> I understand what you are saying about WordStyle to FMStyle.
>
> However how about WordStyle to New FM File.  I want everything under each
> H1 and probably each H2  to start a new file and probably name the new file
> with something similar to the H1 and H2 text.
>
> I’ll take care of assembling the Book file.
>
> Can it do that?
>
>
> From: Framers  hudsongroup@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Batch Word Conversion
>
> As of FrameMaker 2015, FM can map Word styles to FrameMaker tags. They
> don't even have to have the same names. It'll at least do the initial work.
>
>
> https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/is-it-possible-to-map-word-quot-styles-quot-to-fm-tags/m-p/8483826#M47362
> <
> https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/is-it-possible-to-map-word-quot-styles-quot-to-fm-tags/m-p/8483826#M47362
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Re: [Framers] Batch Word Conversion

2019-12-04 Thread Lin Sims
As of FrameMaker 2015, FM can map Word styles to FrameMaker tags. They
don't even have to have the same names. It'll at least do the initial work.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/is-it-possible-to-map-word-quot-styles-quot-to-fm-tags/m-p/8483826#M47362


On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:22 AM Tom Beiswenger <
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote:

> Hi Klaus,
>
> I, too, might be interested in the Word-to-FrameMaker solution. We just
> acquired a company in Germany that has used Word for all of their machine
> manuals. I have not yet seen any of their manuals, but depending on their
> complexity, we also may need a simple solution to convert these Word files
> into FM books.
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Batch Word Conversion
>
> Hi John,
>
> there is a solution that 4xscripts is developing (closely with
> FrameMaker product team) and we will reach out to you one-on-one to try
> as a beta.
>
> Is it OK for you to contact you offlist?
>
> rgds
>
> Klaus
>
> Am 04.12.2019 um 14:54 schrieb John Posada:
> > Hi, guys...I'm at a new gig and I may have a window for implementing FM
> > here. To do so, I'm going to be using the FM trial.
> >
> > Currently, I have three Word documents with multiple sections and
> > sub-sections.  My goal is to turn each section and subsection into
> > individual FM files and compile them via Books.
> >
> > Because I don't have forever with the trial, and because my memory is not
> > cooperating, does FM have the ability to import a single Word file and
> > break it up into FM files by defining Word Styles?
> >
> > If not, if for a reasonable amount, I'd be more open to using an existing
> > script, as where I am now is not as locked up as my previous gig.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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Re: [Framers] Question About Revision History.

2019-11-26 Thread Lin Sims
That's what we do at my current employer and the employer before. The last
2 digits of the part number identify the version of the document. Each time
the document is released, the number gets incremented.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 4:17 PM techwordsmith 
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> History. Somewhat off topic, what does everyone think about not having a
> revision history in user manuals. My company has decided they do not want
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Re: [Framers] Question About Revision History.

2019-11-26 Thread Lin Sims
One of my former employers used it as a way to let readers know how
information had changed because the document was very long and very
technical (installing enterprise-level software). I'm not sure how much it
helped overall, but at least if, say, what was required of the customer to
have for hardware or already-installed software had changed, they had an
alert to pay extra attention to that. Or if how outside-party software had
to be configured to work with our software changed, they'd have an alert on
that, too.

We used change bars in the text itself, but that didn't tell customers HOW
things had changed, only that they had. The revision history told them how,
which told them what to pay attention to.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 11:50 AM  wrote:

> Rick,
> Revision history is often more of a regulatory requirement than a
> nice-to-have feature. If there are no external rules that say you must have
> it, then what purpose would it serve? Maybe just to show that the document
> does get updated from time-to-time?
>
> Ian Proudfoot
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>
>
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>
> Thank you for your replies.
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Re: [Framers] Shortcuts not working

2019-11-05 Thread Lin Sims
That has to be a problem with your system, or we'd have heard about it
before now. It certainly isn't happening on my installation (Windows 10, FM
2019, build 751).

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM Doug  wrote:

> I've run into the annoying problem where the cursor is stuck inside the
> Marker window.  I can use the mouse to place the insertion point in my
> document, but anything I type goes straight to that Marker window.
>
> WTH, Adobe?   (smh)
>
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> > Hi -
> >
> > Yesterday, the Function keys I use most often (F8, F9) stopped working.
> So
> > did CTRL-8 and CTRL-9, and some other Function and CTRL keys as well. I'm
> > on FrameMaker 17 (unstructured), Windows 7. There have been no changes to
> > my system or installation. I've tried restarting FrameMaker and the
> > computer.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
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Re: [Framers] Shortcuts not working

2019-11-05 Thread Lin Sims
Note that you will need to rebuild any custom workspaces you may have
created. I find taking screenshots beforehand helps with that.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:46 AM Lin Sims  wrote:

> Try closing FrameMaker and then renaming the preferences folder. For you,
> it would be
>
> C:\Users\ \AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker\14
>
> People usually rename it to  C:\Users\
> \AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker\14-backup
>
> This forces Frame to recreate all the configuration files that control key
> bindings and the like.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:35 AM Pat Christenson <
> pat.christen...@morningstar.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> Yesterday, the Function keys I use most often (F8, F9) stopped working.
>> So did CTRL-8 and CTRL-9, and some other Function and CTRL keys as well.
>> I'm on FrameMaker 17 (unstructured), Windows 7. There have been no changes
>> to my system or installation. I've tried restarting FrameMaker and the
>> computer.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> 
>> Pat Christenson
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