;t you tell us what you're trying to achieve instead of how
you're trying to do it?
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tell us what you're trying to achieve instead of how
you're trying to do it?
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gets thrown out in another year. No matter what, flagging the
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hat, flagging the
possibilities to management is never going to be a bad idea.
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Hi Joanna,
Joanna wrote:
> Been working with Frame for donkey's, but am working for the first
> time with the structured version. A few days ago I launched into
> redoing the company's EDD, to make the documents more user-friendly
> and to create US/RestOfTheWorld-printable pages. In that vein I
Hi Joanna,
Joanna wrote:
Been working with Frame for donkey's, but am working for the first
time with the structured version. A few days ago I launched into
redoing the company's EDD, to make the documents more user-friendly
and to create US/RestOfTheWorld-printable pages. In that vein I've
ad
Peter Gold wrote:
> If legible cursive writing was the sole measurement of ability, I'd
> be in the same boat as many doctors - floating off to oblivion.
Me too - it takes me longer to read my shopping list than to get my
groceries... ;-)
> However, I'd qualify Marcus' comment about using one's
Hi Dan,
Daniel Emory wrote:
> It?s estimated that 40% of the US adult population is non-literate,
> which means they don?t read books or newspapers. This has been
> accompanied by a rapid decline in the ability of college students to
> write a half-way decent paragraph in English. The California
Peter Gold wrote:
If legible cursive writing was the sole measurement of ability, I'd
be in the same boat as many doctors - floating off to oblivion.
Me too - it takes me longer to read my shopping list than to get my
groceries... ;-)
However, I'd qualify Marcus' comment about using one's
Hi Dan,
Daniel Emory wrote:
It’s estimated that 40% of the US adult population is non-literate,
which means they don’t read books or newspapers. This has been
accompanied by a rapid decline in the ability of college students to
write a half-way decent paragraph in English. The California State
t the budget for
tools - sort out the strategy for data management over the foreseeable
future and then try to establish what you will require to support it. If
you choose tools first, you'll design a data strategy that suits your
choices, not one that serves y
the foreseeable
future and then try to establish what you will require to support it. If
you choose tools first, you'll design a data strategy that suits your
choices, not one that serves your dataset.
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will white wrote:
> I'm dubious that folks in most development environments have the
> leisure to dawdle around in a wiki when they have their own workloads
> to get through. Or am I misunderstanding the charm of a wiki? It
> sounds like a mechanism to convince other people to do my work.
W
will white wrote:
I'm dubious that folks in most development environments have the
leisure to dawdle around in a wiki when they have their own workloads
to get through. Or am I misunderstanding the charm of a wiki? It
sounds like a mechanism to convince other people to do my work.
Wikis a
rk.
It is often overlooked on this list for obvious reasons, but the primary
purposes of structured data usually has precious little to do with the
creation of printed pages. Basing a strategy for structured data on an
existing FrameMaker application is often a case of the tail wagging
bvious reasons, but the primary
purposes of structured data usually has precious little to do with the
creation of printed pages. Basing a strategy for structured data on an
existing FrameMaker application is often a case of the tail wagging the dog.
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Gordon McLean wrote:
> As you rightly point out, FM is not a content management product. I
> am fully aware of that fact, but unfortunately it seems my
> predecessors either weren't, or (as is more likely) hadn't managed to
> take the next step forward towards 'better' single sourcing. I'm
> etern
Gordon McLean wrote:
As you rightly point out, FM is not a content management product. I
am fully aware of that fact, but unfortunately it seems my
predecessors either weren't, or (as is more likely) hadn't managed to
take the next step forward towards 'better' single sourcing. I'm
eternally gra
Gordon McLean wrote:
> We use structured FrameMaker. We have a mature EDD, we are happy with the
> way things are.
Good. That's one aspect that you shouldn't need to change then.
> But it's not really any closer to single source, or modular documentation,
> as we still have the content stored in
Gordon McLean wrote:
We use structured FrameMaker. We have a mature EDD, we are happy with the
way things are.
Good. That's one aspect that you shouldn't need to change then.
But it's not really any closer to single source, or modular documentation,
as we still have the content stored in .FM
H4y^3,
hedley.finger at myob.com wrote:
> The example of the Turbo Tarburner was chosen with care. Even as we
> bicker, a major automotive manufacturer is implementing an on-demand
> customised workshop manual.
>
> The mechanic will simply enter the car's body number or VIN or
> whatever, and a
hedley.finger at myob.com wrote:
> Marcus, Marcus, Marcus:
Hedley, Hedley, Hedley... :-)
> I'm surprised that you of all people should associate functionality
> with presentation. It's a bit similar to separating format from
> content. 8^) And I'm surprised that you equate indexes only with
cover.
Go long, Adobe!! Blow our socks off!!
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H4y^3,
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The example of the Turbo Tarburner was chosen with care. Even as we
bicker, a major automotive manufacturer is implementing an on-demand
customised workshop manual.
The mechanic will simply enter the car's body number or VIN or
whatever, and a custom manual for
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Marcus, Marcus, Marcus:
Hedley, Hedley, Hedley... :-)
I'm surprised that you of all people should associate functionality
with presentation. It's a bit similar to separating format from
content. 8^) And I'm surprised that you equate indexes only with
hardcopy.
Word and generating
Word documents from java, all running in Linux to illustrate how little
dependency there was on Microsoft technology. It was *very* slick.
Nobody can afford to sit back and wait anymore - the bar gets raised too
frequently for anyone to recover.
Go long, Adobe!! Blow our soc
your living from people who go structured.
> Perhaps it's the *computer* salesman you need to watch? ;-)
My company hasn't done a structured FrameMaker application for a good
few years, but I still get lumped with the odd support call. I certainly
wouldn't say that I mak
;-)
My company hasn't done a structured FrameMaker application for a good
few years, but I still get lumped with the odd support call. I certainly
wouldn't say that I make money out of structured FrameMaker, though
virtually all of our reve
ke trying to deconstruct a song back into its
constituent tracks. You might be able to get some approximation of it,
but never anything like as good as the original.
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. You might be able to get some approximation of it,
but never anything like as good as the original.
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ive them XML and let them worry
about reproducing the layout. They'll be back once they've had a lie
down and a good think about it...
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about reproducing the layout. They'll be back once they've had a lie
down and a good think about it...
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XML - are they
causing problems for you? Are you round-tripping into FrameMaker? If not
it's easy to find a pretty-printing XSLT to remove them, but it's
unnecessary.
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causing problems for you? Are you round-tripping into FrameMaker? If not
it's easy to find a pretty-printing XSLT to remove them, but it's
unnecessary.
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> Since we have been discussing localization, I thought there might be
> some interest in this information. This is one of the reasons I
> like this vendor. They provide a lot of free education. I recently
> attended an all day seminar on content management that was hosted by
> this vendor.
Ed
Since we have been discussing localization, I thought there might be
some interest in this information. This is one of the reasons I
like this vendor. They provide a lot of free education. I recently
attended an all day seminar on content management that was hosted by
this vendor.
Education
on't want to hear that it was tongue in cheek or that I don't
understand British humour - I just don't want to see any comments of
this ilk on a technical list. Very poor taste.
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o hear that it was tongue in cheek or that I don't
understand British humour - I just don't want to see any comments of
this ilk on a technical list. Very poor taste.
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ow, I have many years experience in software
> development, so developing my own EDD is not an issue.
You're perfectly positioned to start this off right.
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velopment, so developing my own EDD is not an issue.
You're perfectly positioned to start this off right.
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ame advice that I do whenever anyone is
migrating data. Go the extra step and get it into XML, unless you
really, really can't justify the additional effort (if there is any). If
you get the data into XML, it will be the last time that you ask this
question about this dataset.
never anyone is
migrating data. Go the extra step and get it into XML, unless you
really, really can't justify the additional effort (if there is any). If
you get the data into XML, it will be the last time that you ask this
question about this dataset.
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27;s all about using the right tool for the job. You shouldn't have too
much trouble convincing a semiconductor company of that.
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right tool for the job. You shouldn't have too
much trouble convincing a semiconductor company of that.
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ted for you. Contact me off-list if you'd like
further details.
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st if you'd like
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r could typeset in it's sleep. I'd open it, let it paginate and
generate the ToC etc, then put out the PDF. Some may see that as
marginalising FrameMaker - I see it as using it for what it's good at.
> Does anyone have experience with this?
nerate the ToC etc, then put out the PDF. Some may see that as
marginalising FrameMaker - I see it as using it for what it's good at.
Does anyone have experience with this?
Yep, I do... ;-)
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ion to them anyway. Best just to
ignore it, I think.
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purposes!
Seriously, I'm glad it was of help and interest to you - it certainly
helped me out as well. Thanks again to all who contributed.
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est just to
ignore it, I think.
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ed with in the past?
10A. ATA, Airbus, 5629A, DocBook, DITA, etc.
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Seriously, I'm glad it was of help and interest to you - it certainly
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ed with in the past?
10A. ATA, Airbus, 5629A, DocBook, DITA, etc.
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rally I feel the
same way about other types of structured data.
I don't see us coming to an agreement on this, but I think it's an
interesting and useful discussion anyway.
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FrameMaker, though you do need to know the syntax.
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ok at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-users/message/1080.
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/group/dita-users/message/1080.
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ceived email from a list member who had been inspired
by this thread to update me with the results of their implementation.
This person created their first structured FrameMaker application
*because* of the "DocBook-derived monster the users were currently
wrestling with". They w
created their first structured FrameMaker application
*because* of the "DocBook-derived monster the users were currently
wrestling with". They were happy, and now the learning curve has been
overcome from start to finish - they have done the whole pro
ration than
to spend too much energy on migration. Migration will never be fun, but
if you do it properly, it'll only have to happen once.
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7;ll only do it once - try to do it on the cheap
and you can spend the money next time around. I've seen it more times
than I could count in the 15 years that I've been involved with SGML and
XML conversions. Plenty of very bright people have tried to migrate to
structure on t
igration. Migration will never be fun, but
if you do it properly, it'll only have to happen once.
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- try to do it on the cheap
and you can spend the money next time around. I've seen it more times
than I could count in the 15 years that I've been involved with SGML and
XML conversions. Plenty of very bright people have tried to migrate to
structure on the cheap - so many smar
PI clients available? Thanks in advance,
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PI clients available? Thanks in advance,
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here.
* Topologi is a commercial product, but does have a 30 day free
download. My company does have an interest in it, so you should weigh my
advice accordingly.
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have a 30 day free
download. My company does have an interest in it, so you should weigh my
advice accordingly.
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