FM under Sheepshaver

[Paul Findon]

On 23 Nov 2008, at 06:04, James Monaco wrote:

> Does anyone have any hints about running Framemaker 7 Mac under the
> OS9 emulator Sheepshaver? It keeps crashing, while all other OS9 aps
> run fine.
>
> I'm on digest so would appreciate direct response. Thanks.

Pull out the WebDAV and WebDAVLinks files from the FrameMaker Modules  
folder.

Paul

Text is RGB

[Paul Findon]

Windows XP Pro SP2
FrameMaker 7.1
Acrobat 5

When I create a PDF, black text becomes RGB. My printer won't accept  
this. Does anyone know how to fix this?

Paul
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Russian Bookmarks Corrupt

[Paul Findon]

Windows XP Pro SP2
FrameMaker 8
Acrobat 8

When I print a Russian FM file to PDF, bookamrks are corupt. Does  
anyone know how to fix this?

(This file started life in FM7, but I understand that FM8 converted  
all of the text to Unicode.)

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Re: Russian Bookmarks Corrupt

[Paul Findon]

On 29 Oct 2008, at 11:48, Paul Findon wrote:

 Windows XP Pro SP2
 FrameMaker 8
 Acrobat 8

 When I print a Russian FM file to PDF, bookamrks are corupt. Does
 anyone know how to fix this?

 (This file started life in FM7, but I understand that FM8 converted
 all of the text to Unicode.)

This appears to be an issue with the way FM8 handles FM7 docs that  
use unsupported languages such as Russian.

The self-discovered workaround is to copy the relevant headings and  
titles from the PDF file back to FM8 and distill again.

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Text is RGB

[Paul Findon]

Windows XP Pro SP2
FrameMaker 7.1
Acrobat 5

When I create a PDF, black text becomes RGB. My printer won't accept  
this. Does anyone know how to fix this?

Paul

Russian Bookmarks Corrupt

[Paul Findon]

Windows XP Pro SP2
FrameMaker 8
Acrobat 8

When I print a Russian FM file to PDF, bookamrks are corupt. Does  
anyone know how to fix this?

(This file started life in FM7, but I understand that FM8 converted  
all of the text to Unicode.)

Paul

Russian Bookmarks Corrupt

[Paul Findon]

On 29 Oct 2008, at 11:48, Paul Findon wrote:

> Windows XP Pro SP2
> FrameMaker 8
> Acrobat 8
>
> When I print a Russian FM file to PDF, bookamrks are corupt. Does
> anyone know how to fix this?
>
> (This file started life in FM7, but I understand that FM8 converted
> all of the text to Unicode.)

This appears to be an issue with the way FM8 handles FM7 docs that  
use unsupported languages such as Russian.

The self-discovered workaround is to copy the relevant headings and  
titles from the PDF file back to FM8 and distill again.

Paul

Migrating features over to InDesign

[Paul Findon]

Framers,

Following the recent discussion of FM features migrating to InDesign,  
here's a snippet from an interview between Adobe Co-Chairman John  
Warnock and Conrad Taylor, BCS Electronic Publishing Specialist Group  
in 2004.

Paul


Interviewer: Adobe has found itself in the situation of owning three  
page make-up systems: PageMaker, InDesign and FrameMaker. I’m not  
counting Illustrator for these purposes. When one starts to think  
about Adobe getting involved in document composition issues, it’s  
time to pull out the flipchart and brainstorm about what are the  
important aspects of document composition to support; which direction  
to go. Those of us who use these tools often look around at other  
software: 3B2 does this, Xyvision does this, Quark does this;  
wouldn’t it be nice to put them all in the blender, so to speak, and  
extract one ideal application.

Warnock: Well, that’s a complicated problem. And there’s a fair bit  
of disagreement inside of Adobe as to what the appropriate thing is  
to do. PageMaker as a codebase was just very long in the tooth: it  
was not a maintainable codebase. It was clear when we acquired it  
that it was not going to last for very long. Too much spaghetti-code:  
very difficult. InDesign had just started as a project when we  
acquired Aldus, and we continued with a very strong group of people:  
Robert Brainsea and Zak Williamson, and a very strong group of people  
who built the architecture for InDesign. But they were coming at it  
from a very ‘let’s go build magazines’ kind of perspective. Then  
there was the other set of the world that works with highly  
structured documents, and the FrameMaker world. And I absolutely love  
FrameMaker; I’ve been a very strong proponent of FrameMaker. But  
FrameMaker was also suffering from an old codebase. Essentially, the  
idea is to start migrating features over to InDesign. Unfortunately,  
the InDesign crowd doesn’t understand the structured document world  
as well as they need to, and so that migration has been coming along  
more slowly than I would have liked it to have been.

Interviewer: Some of the pagination issues, and table-handling…

Warnock: Yes, and cross-referencing, and forward-referencing, and all  
the things about dealing with highly structured documents. I’m a  
structured-document person: I like them!

Interviewer: You’re in good company here! I’ve been using FrameMaker  
for Macintosh since version 2.1. And now I shall be using Frame 7.0  
on the Mac under Classic mode – for the rest of time, perhaps.

Warnock: Well hopefully someday there will be a version of InDesign  
that will have the same properties. And to InDesign’s credit, there  
are people who have done math plug-ins and have started to get the  
more arcane things into InDesign. But they haven’t fundamentally  
solved the structure problem.


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Migrating features over to InDesign

[Paul Findon]

Framers,

Following the recent discussion of FM features migrating to InDesign,  
here's a snippet from an interview between Adobe Co-Chairman John  
Warnock and Conrad Taylor, BCS Electronic Publishing Specialist Group  
in 2004.

Paul


Interviewer: Adobe has found itself in the situation of owning three  
page make-up systems: PageMaker, InDesign and FrameMaker. I?m not  
counting Illustrator for these purposes. When one starts to think  
about Adobe getting involved in document composition issues, it?s  
time to pull out the flipchart and brainstorm about what are the  
important aspects of document composition to support; which direction  
to go. Those of us who use these tools often look around at other  
software: 3B2 does this, Xyvision does this, Quark does this;  
wouldn?t it be nice to put them all in the blender, so to speak, and  
extract one ideal application.

Warnock: Well, that?s a complicated problem. And there?s a fair bit  
of disagreement inside of Adobe as to what the appropriate thing is  
to do. PageMaker as a codebase was just very long in the tooth: it  
was not a maintainable codebase. It was clear when we acquired it  
that it was not going to last for very long. Too much spaghetti-code:  
very difficult. InDesign had just started as a project when we  
acquired Aldus, and we continued with a very strong group of people:  
Robert Brainsea and Zak Williamson, and a very strong group of people  
who built the architecture for InDesign. But they were coming at it  
from a very ?let?s go build magazines? kind of perspective. Then  
there was the other set of the world that works with highly  
structured documents, and the FrameMaker world. And I absolutely love  
FrameMaker; I?ve been a very strong proponent of FrameMaker. But  
FrameMaker was also suffering from an old codebase. Essentially, the  
idea is to start migrating features over to InDesign. Unfortunately,  
the InDesign crowd doesn?t understand the structured document world  
as well as they need to, and so that migration has been coming along  
more slowly than I would have liked it to have been.

Interviewer: Some of the pagination issues, and table-handling?

Warnock: Yes, and cross-referencing, and forward-referencing, and all  
the things about dealing with highly structured documents. I?m a  
structured-document person: I like them!

Interviewer: You?re in good company here! I?ve been using FrameMaker  
for Macintosh since version 2.1. And now I shall be using Frame 7.0  
on the Mac under Classic mode ? for the rest of time, perhaps.

Warnock: Well hopefully someday there will be a version of InDesign  
that will have the same properties. And to InDesign?s credit, there  
are people who have done math plug-ins and have started to get the  
more arcane things into InDesign. But they haven?t fundamentally  
solved the structure problem.

Re: InDesign and FrameMaker Text Entry Comparison (WAS: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4)

[Paul Findon]

Hi Peter,

 This is a good start, but, wait, there's more to it. While the power
 click brings an InDesign master-page text frame to the body page,
 where it works both like and differently from FM, you'll soon fill it
 to overflowing, and then...

 * You can only type to the bottom of the first text frame; additional
 typing is overset, as typographers call it, indicated by a red +
 in the lower-right text-frame border, if the Screen Mode is Normal
 (not Preview), and the text frame is selected (use the black arrow
 tool, aka Selection tool.)

With InDesign CS2, my workaround for this is as follows:

1) Create a new doc with Master Text Frame selected.

2) Command-Shift-click (Ctrl+Shift+click) the frame on the first page.

3) Fill the first page with placeholder text, select it all, and copy.

4) Insert roughly how many pages you think you'll need (50, 100, 300,  
whatever).

5) Paste the placeholder text for as many pages as you inserted plus  
one. If you inserted 50 pages, paste 51 times.

6) With the Selection tool, click the red Overset icon on the first  
page.

7) Hold down the Shift key and click on the frame on page 2.

The text frames on all of the pages will link together and fill with  
placeholder text, which can then be deleted ready for some real text.

Paul
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InDesign and FrameMaker Text Entry Comparison (WAS: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4)

[Paul Findon]

Hi Peter,

> This is a good start, but, wait, there's more to it. While the "power
> click" brings an InDesign master-page text frame to the body page,
> where it works both like and differently from FM, you'll soon fill it
> to overflowing, and then...
>
> * You can only type to the bottom of the first text frame; additional
> typing is "overset," as typographers call it, indicated by a red "+"
> in the lower-right text-frame border, if the Screen Mode is Normal
> (not Preview), and the text frame is selected (use the black arrow
> tool, aka Selection tool.)

With InDesign CS2, my workaround for this is as follows:

1) Create a new doc with Master Text Frame selected.

2) Command-Shift-click (Ctrl+Shift+click) the frame on the first page.

3) Fill the first page with placeholder text, select it all, and copy.

4) Insert roughly how many pages you think you'll need (50, 100, 300,  
whatever).

5) Paste the placeholder text for as many pages as you inserted plus  
one. If you inserted 50 pages, paste 51 times.

6) With the Selection tool, click the red Overset icon on the first  
page.

7) Hold down the Shift key and click on the frame on page 2.

The text frames on all of the pages will link together and fill with  
placeholder text, which can then be deleted ready for some real text.

Paul

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Paul Findon]

On 23 Sep 2008, at 21:05, quills at airmail.net wrote:

> Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where
> I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where
> is the cursor for text?

On the New Document dialog box, select Master Text Frame, then click  
OK. When the new document appears, select the Text tool, Command- 
Shift-click (Ctrl+Shift+click) the frame, and start typing.

Paul

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Paul Findon]

Hi Sarah,

Not sure how strong it will be, but ID CS4 certainly appears to offer  
the tools that will allow some unstructured FM users to make the  
switch. Incidentally, it looks like Apple may have finally switched  
to InDesign for its user guides, which until now have been made with  
Mac FM6. The iPhone and iPod touch user guides both appear to have  
been made with InDesign CS3.

Another new ID feature relevant to FM users is Smart Text Reflow. ID  
can now automatically add or delete pages as text expands or shrinks.

FWIW:


Alas, one FM feature that's still missing (perhaps for ID CS5) is the  
ability to control whether paragraphs stay in column or across all  
columns at the paragraph level. A colleague recently user ID to make  
a manual with a layout that uses this FM feature heavily. She said it  
seemed to take twice as long as it did with FM, manually breaking and  
linking text frames on every page, and just when she thought the job  
was finished, a series of edits meant that many of her carefully  
positioned text frames had to be manually adjusted again and again.

Paul

On 23 Sep 2008, at 20:22, Sarah O'Keefe wrote:

> Hi framers,
>
> I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your  
> thoughts:
>
> http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4- 
> hannibal.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Sarah
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InDesign CS4

[Paul Findon]

Well, well, well.. InDesign finally gets cross-references. There’s  
conditional text, too.

http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/features/

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Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

[Paul Findon]

Hi Sarah,

Not sure how strong it will be, but ID CS4 certainly appears to offer  
the tools that will allow some unstructured FM users to make the  
switch. Incidentally, it looks like Apple may have finally switched  
to InDesign for its user guides, which until now have been made with  
Mac FM6. The iPhone and iPod touch user guides both appear to have  
been made with InDesign CS3.

Another new ID feature relevant to FM users is Smart Text Reflow. ID  
can now automatically add or delete pages as text expands or shrinks.

FWIW:
http://indesignsecrets.com/whats-new-in-indesign-cs4.php

Alas, one FM feature that's still missing (perhaps for ID CS5) is the  
ability to control whether paragraphs stay in column or across all  
columns at the paragraph level. A colleague recently user ID to make  
a manual with a layout that uses this FM feature heavily. She said it  
seemed to take twice as long as it did with FM, manually breaking and  
linking text frames on every page, and just when she thought the job  
was finished, a series of edits meant that many of her carefully  
positioned text frames had to be manually adjusted again and again.

Paul

On 23 Sep 2008, at 20:22, Sarah O'Keefe wrote:

 Hi framers,

 I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your  
 thoughts:

 http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4- 
 hannibal.html

 Regards,

 Sarah
 -- 
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InDesign CS4

[Paul Findon]

Well, well, well.. InDesign finally gets cross-references. There?s  
conditional text, too.



Paul

It's going to be brilliant, apparently.

[Paul Findon]

Adobe to unveil CS4 on 23 September.

Will InDesign CS4 be a worthy alternative to FrameMaker?

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It's going to be brilliant, apparently.

[Paul Findon]

Adobe to unveil CS4 on 23 September.

Will InDesign CS4 be a worthy alternative to FrameMaker?

Paul

Re: Changing Printers

[Paul Findon]

Thanks to Art, Stuart, Fred, and Mike for your wise words.

We use only PostScript printers and virtually all output is to PDF  
these days, so I guess there's no need to worry.

Has anyone ever experienced a problem with a particular printer/font?

Paul


On 24 Jul 2008, at 21:36, Mike Feimster wrote:

 There is a plug-in called Set Print you can get at
 http://www.sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm that  
 allows you
 set your Windows default printer to what you normally print to and  
 your
 FrameMaker default printer to Acrobat.

 Mike

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art  
 Campbell
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:32 AM
 To: Paul Findon
 Cc: FrameUsers List
 Subject: Re: Changing Printers

 Assuming you mostly work with PostScript printers and PDFs, if you set
 the system default printer to Adobe PDF / Acrobat, you should be fine.

 The problem is that some printers have their own embedded fonts  
 that are
 different than the system's fonts or the system's versions of those
 fonts. They aren't part of the Windows system, but they can be  
 accessed
 on the printer. If the font appears to be available to the system as a
 remote resource, it'll use it. But it can't be embedded in a PDF, for
 instance, and won't travel with the file to another system that  
 doesn't
 use that printer.

 A

 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Paul Findon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Framers,

 With Mac FrameMaker, changing the printer made no difference to
 FrameMaker in regard to fonts. With Windows FrameMaker, however,
 changing the printer causes FrameMaker to display the following
 somewhat worrying message: The font information for your system has
 changed. This change may affect the format and output of your
 documents.

 Can someone please explain what's actually occurring here, how to
 avoid any pitfalls, etc?

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Changing Printers

[Paul Findon]

Thanks to Art, Stuart, Fred, and Mike for your wise words.

We use only PostScript printers and virtually all output is to PDF  
these days, so I guess there's no need to worry.

Has anyone ever experienced a problem with a particular printer/font?

Paul


On 24 Jul 2008, at 21:36, Mike Feimster wrote:

> There is a plug-in called Set Print you can get at
> http://www.sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm that  
> allows you
> set your Windows default printer to what you normally print to and  
> your
> FrameMaker default printer to Acrobat.
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art  
> Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:32 AM
> To: Paul Findon
> Cc: FrameUsers List
> Subject: Re: Changing Printers
>
> Assuming you mostly work with PostScript printers and PDFs, if you set
> the system default printer to Adobe PDF / Acrobat, you should be fine.
>
> The problem is that some printers have their own embedded fonts  
> that are
> different than the system's fonts or the system's versions of those
> fonts. They aren't part of the Windows system, but they can be  
> accessed
> on the printer. If the font appears to be available to the system as a
> remote resource, it'll use it. But it can't be embedded in a PDF, for
> instance, and won't travel with the file to another system that  
> doesn't
> use that printer.
>
> A
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Paul Findon 
> wrote:
>> Framers,
>>
>> With Mac FrameMaker, changing the printer made no difference to
>> FrameMaker in regard to fonts. With Windows FrameMaker, however,
>> changing the printer causes FrameMaker to display the following
>> somewhat worrying message: "The font information for your system has
>> changed. This change may affect the format and output of your
>> documents."
>>
>> Can someone please explain what's actually occurring here, how to
>> avoid any pitfalls, etc?
>>
>> Paul
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Changing Printers

[Paul Findon]

Framers,

With Mac FrameMaker, changing the printer made no difference to  
FrameMaker in regard to fonts. With Windows FrameMaker, however,  
changing the printer causes FrameMaker to display the following  
somewhat worrying message: The font information for your system has  
changed. This change may affect the format and output of your  
documents.

Can someone please explain what's actually occurring here, how to  
avoid any pitfalls, etc?

Paul
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Changing Printers

[Paul Findon]

Framers,

With Mac FrameMaker, changing the printer made no difference to  
FrameMaker in regard to fonts. With Windows FrameMaker, however,  
changing the printer causes FrameMaker to display the following  
somewhat worrying message: "The font information for your system has  
changed. This change may affect the format and output of your  
documents."

Can someone please explain what's actually occurring here, how to  
avoid any pitfalls, etc?

Paul

Re: FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today

[Paul Findon]

Hi Dov,

Bit late getting back with this, but how do you like the glossy  
screen for reading, writing, etc? And can the 8710w drive your 30- 
inch Dell display?

When I've used laptops in an office for any length of time, I've  
always plugged in a USB keyboard, so the keyboard is not a real deal  
breaker for me. I plug in a mouse as well.

I also find laptop screens too low when used on a desk, leading to  
neck, shoulder aches. In one office where I work sometimes, I put my  
laptop on top of its original box, which brings the screen up to eye  
level, and use a USB keyboard and mouse on the desk. Obviously, it's  
not practical to carry a box around, but if you're planning on using  
your laptop on a desk for more than a day, it's worth thinking about  
raising the screen height, or connecting an external display.

Paul


 (3) Last Autumn, I had a nearly four year old IBM ThinkPad R50p  
 (yup, it was
 still IBM at that point) blow out that could no longer be repaired.  
 Lenovo no longer
 carried a 15 1600x1200 dpi notebook so I had to look elsewhere. I  
 did consider using
 a MacBook Pro configured with both MacOS and Windows, but there  
 were two major
 problems - (a) I was used to IBM style keyboards and as much as I  
 tried, I could not
 get comfortable with the MacBook Pro's keyboard and (b) I would  
 have needed a much
 larger internal drive (7200 rpm of course) than was available at  
 the time or even now
 to support two distinct operating systems. I ended up evaluating  
 and then buying an
 HP Compaq 8710w notebook system. It is similarly configured to the  
 high-end MacBook
 Pro (17 screen, high speed / high capacity 7200 rpm drive) and 3  
 GB of memory as
 well as sporting a BlueRay/DVD/CD player/burner (an exceptionally  
 useful feature if
 you have a 1920 x 1200 17 wide screen and want to watch hi-def  
 movies on the road).
 It also has a full numeric keypad which I always missed  
 tremendously on my notebooks.
 The system came with choice of XP or Vista. I took Vista (decided  
 to live dangerously
 as see what type of problems Adobe's users might encounter). Once I  
 configured the
 system to my liking (especially fixing the menus and Explorer to  
 work more like
 Windows 2000 than Vista although keeping the Aero theme as well  
 as turning off the
 UAC feature - the thing that keeps prompting you to approve certain  
 allegedly dangerous
 operations), I've been quite happy with that system. Very stable  
 and high productivity
 and those of you who may know something about me, I am  
 exceptionally fussy about such
 stuff. (Sarah, sorry to hear of your Vista problems. My experience  
 in helping others
 with Vista problems has been that their systems were  
 underconfigured in terms of
 hardware for proper Vista operation, software/OS misconfigured by  
 the computer
 vendor, and/or plagued by shovelware. Except for underconfigured  
 hardware, I've
 always been able to clean up such systems so that they run at least  
 as well as
 they would run under XP!)
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[Paul Findon]

Hi Dov,

Bit late getting back with this, but how do you like the glossy  
screen for reading, writing, etc? And can the 8710w drive your 30- 
inch Dell display?

When I've used laptops in an office for any length of time, I've  
always plugged in a USB keyboard, so the keyboard is not a real deal  
breaker for me. I plug in a mouse as well.

I also find laptop screens too low when used on a desk, leading to  
neck, shoulder aches. In one office where I work sometimes, I put my  
laptop on top of its original box, which brings the screen up to eye  
level, and use a USB keyboard and mouse on the desk. Obviously, it's  
not practical to carry a box around, but if you're planning on using  
your laptop on a desk for more than a day, it's worth thinking about  
raising the screen height, or connecting an external display.

Paul


> (3) Last Autumn, I had a nearly four year old IBM ThinkPad R50p  
> (yup, it was
> still IBM at that point) blow out that could no longer be repaired.  
> Lenovo no longer
> carried a 15" 1600x1200 dpi notebook so I had to look elsewhere. I  
> did consider using
> a MacBook Pro configured with both MacOS and Windows, but there  
> were two major
> problems - (a) I was used to IBM style keyboards and as much as I  
> tried, I could not
> get comfortable with the MacBook Pro's keyboard and (b) I would  
> have needed a much
> larger internal drive (7200 rpm of course) than was available at  
> the time or even now
> to support two distinct operating systems. I ended up evaluating  
> and then buying an
> HP Compaq 8710w notebook system. It is similarly configured to the  
> high-end MacBook
> Pro (17" screen, high speed / high capacity 7200 rpm drive) and 3  
> GB of memory as
> well as sporting a BlueRay/DVD/CD player/burner (an exceptionally  
> useful feature if
> you have a 1920 x 1200 17" wide screen and want to watch hi-def  
> movies on the road).
> It also has a full numeric keypad which I always missed  
> tremendously on my notebooks.
> The system came with choice of XP or Vista. I took Vista (decided  
> to live dangerously
> as see what type of problems Adobe's users might encounter). Once I  
> configured the
> system to my liking (especially fixing the menus and Explorer to  
> work more like
> Windows 2000 than Vista although keeping the "Aero" theme as well  
> as turning off the
> UAC feature - the thing that keeps prompting you to approve certain  
> allegedly dangerous
> operations), I've been quite happy with that system. Very stable  
> and high productivity
> and those of you who may know something about me, I am  
> exceptionally fussy about such
> stuff. (Sarah, sorry to hear of your Vista problems. My experience  
> in helping others
> with Vista problems has been that their systems were  
> underconfigured in terms of
> hardware for proper Vista operation, software/OS misconfigured by  
> the computer
> vendor, and/or plagued by shovelware. Except for underconfigured  
> hardware, I've
> always been able to clean up such systems so that they run at least  
> as well as
> they would run under XP!)

PDF Creation Add-on

[Paul Findon]

FM8 installs the PDF Creation Add-on. Is it best to uninstall this  
before installing Acrobat Pro 8 (along with CS3 Design Standard)?

Paul
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PDF Creation Add-on

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FM8 installs the PDF Creation Add-on. Is it best to uninstall this  
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Paul

Re: Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Jun 2008, at 05:47, Dov Isaacs wrote:

 You are getting exactly what you ask for (and deserve? :-) )

Spoken like a true survivor of the Type 1 Resistance :-)

Paul


 The font name is Arial but the PostScript name inside the font
 (i.e., what displays inside of Acrobat or Reader) of that particular
 font is ArialMT where the MT is for Monotype, the font foundry
 from which it originates.

 Thus, what you are getting out of Distiller is perfectly kosher
 (assuming you really like Arial)!

 - Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Lane, Laura K
 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:43 AM

 I'm using FrameMaker 7.2, Acrobat Pro 7.0.9, and XP.  I've been  
 printing
 PDF books and individual files from FrameMaker using the Arial  
 font but
 when I check the font in the PDF it has been changed to ArialMT.   
 I have
 the font locations in the settings for the Distiller program as the
 following:

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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Paul Findon]

Hi Rene,

If Adobe had done the right thing by its customers and given us  
FrameMaker for Mac OS X, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but...

I know several people who run Windows FrameMaker on their Intel Macs  
with Parallels. I've not tried it with FrameMaker, but My son had  
been on to me about installing parallels on his Intel iMac for a  
while so he can run Microsoft Publisher, so last month we took the  
plunge. Installation was surprisingly easy. In fact, installing  
Windows seemed to proceed quicker than the last time I installed it  
on my Pentium 4 PC.

Our copy of Windows XP (pre-SP1) is an upgrade, so we had to insert  
our Windows 95 full version CD during installation (used the CD/DVD  
Disconnect function), but Parallels handled it with ease. Then we  
installed Windows XP SP2, AVG Free Anti-virus 8.0, Office, and Firefox.

Things were a bit tight with 1 GB of memory, but everything worked.  
And running in Coherence mode, Windows apps appear side-by-side with  
Mac apps, which is uncanny. The other day we popped in 4 GB memory  
and Parallels runs even better. My son is happily producing his  
Runescape booklets in Publisher, which we then print to PS, open in  
Preview, save as PDF, and impose with Cheap Imposter. Even Mac OS X's  
Spotlight search tool finds files on the virtual machine's C: drive.  
Cool!

Popular Mechanics recently commented that Macs run Vista better than  
PCs and from what I've seen so far, I can believe it.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/17/macs-run- 
vista-better-pcs

One advantage of Parallels on Mac OS X is that if Windows or a pesky  
app goes pear shaped (perish the thought), it doesn't take your  
entire PC with it and require a reset. You simply kill the virtual  
machine and re-open it. Parallels offer a 15-day free trial.

Incidentally, I've also tried Mac FrameMaker 6 and 7 on my son's  
Intel Mac with Mac OS 9 running inside SheepShaver, an open source  
Power PC emulator. Considering it's converting Intel and PowerPC  
instructions on the fly, it's incredibly snappy. Much faster than  
Virtual PC ever was. I can print to my networked LaserJet, connect to  
other Macs on the network, access all of the files on the Mac OS X  
side, sound works, boots up in 30 seconds, even the scroll ball on  
the Mighty Mouse works (up/down only). It's not 100% stable and I'm  
not suggesting anyone use it for work, but at this price...  Anyway,  
I was gob smacked the first time I saw Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, and  
WIndows XP all running simultaneously on the same Mac.

As you know, Mac OS X comes with an interactive spell checker built  
in. I've gotten so used to it, that now I right-click while working  
in Mac FrameMaker expecting a list of possible spelling suggestions  
to appear. Alas, all I get is FrameMaker's contextual menu. OS X also  
comes with a dictionary. OK. Not that exciting on it's own perhaps,  
but if you press Command-Control-D in any app, a little dictionary  
window instantly appears as you move the mouse over words. Now that's  
cool!

Paul



 My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so  
 it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next  
 workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very  
 heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than  
 welcome!)

 I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,  
 and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping  
 with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that  
 will entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per  
 product just to load the software and get it functional by jumping  
 through all the hoops required now. I get that it's piracy  
 protection, and I get the concept and am not trying to circumvent  
 any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse  
 are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.

 I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their  
 laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by  
 Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold  
 water splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is  
 work related, and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker,  
 and FM seems viable only in PC world.

 Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be?  
 If I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment,  
 architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker,  
 am I forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC  
 world? Or is there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple  
 laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM  
 files saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing  
 anything in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

 Thanks in advance,


 Rene L. Stephenson
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Jun 2008, at 21:06, Rene Stephenson wrote:

 You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done  
 a lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by  
 one of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a  
 complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was  
 such a colossal headache that he just told the client to return the  
 computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He said if I go to a  
 Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may without  
 looking back.

This is one area where the Mac has always been the clear winner over  
the PC - multiple operating systems.

With a Mac, you simply attach another hard drive, install the OS, and  
use the Startup Disk preference to choose it as your startup OS. Done!

Not so easy on a PC. A long, long time ago, I installed the English  
and Japanese versions of Windows 3.1 on my PC using two separate hard  
drives. To get around the ATA master/slave limitations, I hard wired  
a rear-panel switch to the master/slave jumpers. To switch between  
systems, I shut down, flicked the switch, and rebooted. That was  
after learning about MBR (Master Boot Records) the hard way. Several  
years later I found a pre-wired master/slave switch kit on sale in  
Japanese PC store. Ahh, another patent slips away...

Fast forward nearly 15 years and nothing has changed. I've now got  
the English and Japanese versions of Windows XP on two separate hard  
drives. (Yes, I know about 3rd party tools such as Partition Magic).)

Anyway, with Parallels, you can run multiple virtual machines  
simultaneously. Windows XP, Vista, 2000, Linux, etc. Perfect for  
testing and documenting different systems and beta software.

Paul
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Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Jun 2008, at 05:47, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> You are getting exactly what you ask for (and deserve? :-) )

Spoken like a true survivor of the Type 1 Resistance :-)

Paul


> The font name is "Arial" but the "PostScript name" inside the font
> (i.e., what displays inside of Acrobat or Reader) of that particular
> font is "ArialMT" where the "MT" is for Monotype, the font foundry
> from which it originates.
>
> Thus, what you are getting out of Distiller is perfectly kosher
> (assuming you really like Arial)!
>
> - Dov
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Lane, Laura K
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:43 AM
>>
>> I'm using FrameMaker 7.2, Acrobat Pro 7.0.9, and XP.  I've been  
>> printing
>> PDF books and individual files from FrameMaker using the Arial  
>> font but
>> when I check the font in the PDF it has been changed to ArialMT.   
>> I have
>> the font locations in the settings for the Distiller program as the
>> following:
>>

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Jun 2008, at 16:37, Peter Gold wrote:

> Windows XP won't be shipped with Intel Macs after the end of June, I
> believe.

I guess you mean Dell PCs?

Paul

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Paul Findon]

Hi Rene,

If Adobe had done the right thing by its customers and given us  
FrameMaker for Mac OS X, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but...

I know several people who run Windows FrameMaker on their Intel Macs  
with Parallels. I've not tried it with FrameMaker, but My son had  
been on to me about installing parallels on his Intel iMac for a  
while so he can run Microsoft Publisher, so last month we took the  
plunge. Installation was surprisingly easy. In fact, installing  
Windows seemed to proceed quicker than the last time I installed it  
on my Pentium 4 PC.

Our copy of Windows XP (pre-SP1) is an upgrade, so we had to insert  
our Windows 95 full version CD during installation (used the CD/DVD  
Disconnect function), but Parallels handled it with ease. Then we  
installed Windows XP SP2, AVG Free Anti-virus 8.0, Office, and Firefox.

Things were a bit tight with 1 GB of memory, but everything worked.  
And running in Coherence mode, Windows apps appear side-by-side with  
Mac apps, which is uncanny. The other day we popped in 4 GB memory  
and Parallels runs even better. My son is happily producing his  
Runescape booklets in Publisher, which we then print to PS, open in  
Preview, save as PDF, and impose with Cheap Imposter. Even Mac OS X's  
Spotlight search tool finds files on the virtual machine's C: drive.  
Cool!

Popular Mechanics recently commented that "Macs run Vista better than  
PCs" and from what I've seen so far, I can believe it.



One advantage of Parallels on Mac OS X is that if Windows or a pesky  
app goes pear shaped (perish the thought), it doesn't take your  
entire PC with it and require a reset. You simply kill the virtual  
machine and re-open it. Parallels offer a 15-day free trial.

Incidentally, I've also tried Mac FrameMaker 6 and 7 on my son's  
Intel Mac with Mac OS 9 running inside SheepShaver, an open source  
Power PC emulator. Considering it's converting Intel and PowerPC  
instructions on the fly, it's incredibly snappy. Much faster than  
Virtual PC ever was. I can print to my networked LaserJet, connect to  
other Macs on the network, access all of the files on the Mac OS X  
side, sound works, boots up in 30 seconds, even the scroll ball on  
the Mighty Mouse works (up/down only). It's not 100% stable and I'm  
not suggesting anyone use it for work, but at this price...  Anyway,  
I was gob smacked the first time I saw Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, and  
WIndows XP all running simultaneously on the same Mac.

As you know, Mac OS X comes with an interactive spell checker built  
in. I've gotten so used to it, that now I right-click while working  
in Mac FrameMaker expecting a list of possible spelling suggestions  
to appear. Alas, all I get is FrameMaker's contextual menu. OS X also  
comes with a dictionary. OK. Not that exciting on it's own perhaps,  
but if you press Command-Control-D in any app, a little dictionary  
window instantly appears as you move the mouse over words. Now that's  
cool!

Paul



> My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so  
> it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next  
> workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very  
> heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than  
> welcome!)
>
> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,  
> and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping  
> with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that  
> will entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per  
> product just to load the software and get it functional by jumping  
> through all the hoops required now. I "get" that it's piracy  
> protection, and I "get" the concept and am not trying to circumvent  
> any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse  
> are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.
>
> I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their  
> laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by  
> Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold  
> water splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is  
> work related, and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker,  
> and FM seems viable only in PC world.
>
> Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be?  
> If I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment,  
> architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker,  
> am I forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC  
> world? Or is there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple  
> laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM  
> files saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing  
> anything in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Rene L. Stephenson
> 

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Jun 2008, at 21:06, Rene Stephenson wrote:

> You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done  
> a lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by  
> one of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a  
> complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was  
> such a colossal headache that he just told the client to return the  
> computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He said if I go to a  
> Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may without  
> looking back.

This is one area where the Mac has always been the clear winner over  
the PC - multiple operating systems.

With a Mac, you simply attach another hard drive, install the OS, and  
use the Startup Disk preference to choose it as your startup OS. Done!

Not so easy on a PC. A long, long time ago, I installed the English  
and Japanese versions of Windows 3.1 on my PC using two separate hard  
drives. To get around the ATA master/slave limitations, I hard wired  
a rear-panel switch to the master/slave jumpers. To switch between  
systems, I shut down, flicked the switch, and rebooted. That was  
after learning about MBR (Master Boot Records) the hard way. Several  
years later I found a pre-wired master/slave switch kit on sale in  
Japanese PC store. Ahh, another patent slips away...

Fast forward nearly 15 years and nothing has changed. I've now got  
the English and Japanese versions of Windows XP on two separate hard  
drives. (Yes, I know about 3rd party tools such as Partition Magic).)

Anyway, with Parallels, you can run multiple virtual machines  
simultaneously. Windows XP, Vista, 2000, Linux, etc. Perfect for  
testing and documenting different systems and beta software.

Paul

Re: Adobe Garamond font in bold doesn't distill properly

[Paul Findon]

On 17 Jun 2008, at 19:13, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

 I created a new template recently and selected Adobe Garamond for  
 my body
 text. I created a bold character tag and set it to As Is, then  
 selected Bold
 for the weight. When I created a PDF, all of the bold text was all  
 weird
 (oddly spaced in a supposed monospaced font).

 After looking into that, I found that the only Weight option for  
 the Adobe
 Garamond font was actually Semibold, so I changed the character tag to
 Semibold, but I'm seeing the same results when I create a PDF. All  
 looks
 fine on-screen and when printing a laser printer from FM, so it  
 must be
 something related to Acrobat.

 In looking at my Distiller options, I don't see any of the Adobe fonts
 listed in the Embedding field on the Fonts screen. I think these  
 fonts came
 with FM 8 (I see several Adobe fonts in FM 8), because I don't  
 think I had
 them before I installed FM 8.

 I can't seem to find where these Adobe fonts are installed, and I'm  
 not sure
 how to resolve this PDF issue. Of course, I can change to a different
 Garamond (I do have another), but I'd like to understand the  
 problem and
 solution better, in case I really want to use these Adobe fonts in the
 future

Hi Linda,

For some reason, the OpenType fonts bundled with FrameMaker 8,  
including Adobe Garamond Pro, reside in

C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker8\fminit\fonts\adobe\

which, in addition to making them not available to non-Adobe programs  
such as Office, also means that Distiller can't find them.
To fix this, go to Distiller  Settings  Font Location, and add the  
above font location.

That's what I had to do to get the bundled Minion Pro and Myriad Pro  
to embed.

Paul
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[Paul Findon]

On 17 Jun 2008, at 19:13, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
>
> I created a new template recently and selected Adobe Garamond for  
> my body
> text. I created a bold character tag and set it to As Is, then  
> selected Bold
> for the weight. When I created a PDF, all of the bold text was all  
> weird
> (oddly spaced in a supposed monospaced font).
>
> After looking into that, I found that the only Weight option for  
> the Adobe
> Garamond font was actually Semibold, so I changed the character tag to
> Semibold, but I'm seeing the same results when I create a PDF. All  
> looks
> fine on-screen and when printing a laser printer from FM, so it  
> must be
> something related to Acrobat.
>
> In looking at my Distiller options, I don't see any of the Adobe fonts
> listed in the Embedding field on the Fonts screen. I think these  
> fonts came
> with FM 8 (I see several Adobe fonts in FM 8), because I don't  
> think I had
> them before I installed FM 8.
>
> I can't seem to find where these Adobe fonts are installed, and I'm  
> not sure
> how to resolve this PDF issue. Of course, I can change to a different
> Garamond (I do have another), but I'd like to understand the  
> problem and
> solution better, in case I really want to use these Adobe fonts in the
> future

Hi Linda,

For some reason, the OpenType fonts bundled with FrameMaker 8,  
including Adobe Garamond Pro, reside in

C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker8\fminit\fonts\adobe\

which, in addition to making them not available to non-Adobe programs  
such as Office, also means that Distiller can't find them.
To fix this, go to Distiller > Settings > Font Location, and add the  
above font location.

That's what I had to do to get the bundled Minion Pro and Myriad Pro  
to embed.

Paul

Re: adding user variables to the TOC

[Paul Findon]

Hi Deidre,

The TOC collects paragraphs by style, so you can include user  
variables in a TOC by applying the appropriate paragraph tag.  
However, in my quick test, FrameMaker doesn't collect paras on master  
pages.

Someone on this may be able to suggest a workaround to help you  
achieve what you're after.

Paul

On 16 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

 Hi all:

 I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
 using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
 recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.

 I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
 user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
 it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
 building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
 to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
 it there either.

 Thanks!

 Deirdre
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[Paul Findon]

Hi Deidre,

The TOC collects paragraphs by style, so you can include user  
variables in a TOC by applying the appropriate paragraph tag.  
However, in my quick test, FrameMaker doesn't collect paras on master  
pages.

Someone on this may be able to suggest a workaround to help you  
achieve what you're after.

Paul

On 16 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
> using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
> recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
>
> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
> to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
> it there either.
>
> Thanks!
>
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OT: free viewer/converter software for Mac

[Paul Findon]

On 10 Jun 2008, at 22:04, Dave Reynolds wrote:

> Not Frame related, but I thought some of the Mac users might be  
> able to
> help.  My wife is a teacher and uses a Mac at school.  She has  
> bought an
> educational program that imports digital images, but only as bmp  
> files.

As Alan says, Preview (free Mac OS X app) can save as BMP.

If your wife has many photos to convert, Automator includes a Preview  
action for converting image formats. Just tried it - works a treat,  
and much quicker than writing an AppleScript.

Paul

table and figure captions

[Paul Findon]

On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:46, Peter Gold wrote:

> One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles
> for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for
> generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM
> collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs.

I remember that little gotcha from years ago, but hasn't it been  
fixed? Just did a quick test with Mac FrameMaker 7.0 and it works OK.

One related gotcha, however, is that if you apply master pages to  
specific paragraph tags by using the UnstructMasterPageMaps on the  
reference pages, if those paras are in table cells, the master pages  
don't get applied.

May be that's been fixed in FM 8?

Paul

Re: OT: free viewer/converter software for Mac

[Paul Findon]

On 10 Jun 2008, at 22:04, Dave Reynolds wrote:

 Not Frame related, but I thought some of the Mac users might be  
 able to
 help.  My wife is a teacher and uses a Mac at school.  She has  
 bought an
 educational program that imports digital images, but only as bmp  
 files.

As Alan says, Preview (free Mac OS X app) can save as BMP.

If your wife has many photos to convert, Automator includes a Preview  
action for converting image formats. Just tried it - works a treat,  
and much quicker than writing an AppleScript.

Paul

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Re: Printing Error with FM

[Paul Findon]

On 5 Jun 2008, at 08:38, Michael Müller-Hillebrand wrote:

 Loosely connected to this:

 Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were
 supported by which FrameMaker versions?

  From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator
 CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need
 some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator version.

Hi Michael,

I don't think it makes a lot of difference, although I'm prepared to  
be enlightened :-) Certainly something I've never come across, and we  
use EPS files saved as Illustrator EPS versions 8.0, 9.0, 10, and  
CS2. I just knocked up a quick graphic and saved it as EPS CS2 and it  
imports OK into Mac FrameMaker 6.0.

As long as the EPS file has the following header, FrameMaker will  
import it.

%!PS-Adobe-3.1 EPSF-3.0

Why do we use Illustrator 8.0 files? Well, the following quick  
translation from DTP  Insatsu Super Encyclopaedia 2008, a yearly  
Japanese DTP publication, may shed some light.

Even though several years have past since Mac OS 9 was discontinued,  
and Macs that run the Classic Environment are no longer on sale, many  
users are still using using Mac OS 9, Illustrator 8, and QuarkXPress  
3.3 for DTP. The reason is that if a printer, designer, DTP operator,  
output bureau, printer, etc., changes their own system, they'll  
become incompatible with everyone else in the publishing chain. This  
is a big difference with Web designers who generally don't have to  
rely on others in their work.

Paul
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Re: Printing Error with FM

[Paul Findon]

On 5 Jun 2008, at 17:25, Dov Isaacs wrote:

 Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
 one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
 doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
 versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
 file!

NeXT FrameMaker used to import native AI files back in the day. I  
remember doing it. How did that work?

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Printing Error with FM

[Paul Findon]

On 5 Jun 2008, at 08:38, Michael M?ller-Hillebrand wrote:

> Loosely connected to this:
>
> Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were
> supported by which FrameMaker versions?
>
>  From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator
> CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need
> some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator .

Hi Michael,

I don't think it makes a lot of difference, although I'm prepared to  
be enlightened :-) Certainly something I've never come across, and we  
use EPS files saved as Illustrator EPS versions 8.0, 9.0, 10, and  
CS2. I just knocked up a quick graphic and saved it as EPS CS2 and it  
imports OK into Mac FrameMaker 6.0.

As long as the EPS file has the following header, FrameMaker will  
import it.

"%!PS-Adobe-3.1 EPSF-3.0"

Why do we use Illustrator 8.0 files? Well, the following quick  
translation from "DTP & Insatsu Super Encyclopaedia 2008," a yearly  
Japanese DTP publication, may shed some light.

"Even though several years have past since Mac OS 9 was discontinued,  
and Macs that run the Classic Environment are no longer on sale, many  
users are still using using Mac OS 9, Illustrator 8, and QuarkXPress  
3.3 for DTP. The reason is that if a printer, designer, DTP operator,  
output bureau, printer, etc., changes their own system, they'll  
become incompatible with everyone else in the publishing chain. This  
is a big difference with Web designers who generally don't have to  
rely on others in their work."

Paul

Printing Error with FM

[Paul Findon]

On 5 Jun 2008, at 17:25, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
> one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
> doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
> versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
> file!

NeXT FrameMaker used to import native AI files back in the day. I  
remember doing it. How did that work?

Paul

Re: Crossing out a table cell

[Paul Findon]

On 2 Jun 2008, at 18:19, Art Campbell wrote:

 If you want it to be editable, you can use two tags, one set flush
 left and the other on the lower, second line, set flush right.

Then, put an anchored frame in the cell, set it to Outside Column,  
drag the frame so that it's a tad larger then the cell, then draw a  
diagonal line inside the frame. If the size of the cell changes,  
you'll need to adjust the line, but at least it will go with the  
flow, as it were.

Diagonal cell lines are something InDesign does with aplomb.

Paul


 If you don't need it to be (easily) editable, set it up as a graphic
 and import the graphic.

 Art

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 Hi all,

 is there a way to cross out a cell diagonally in a table, and  
 enter two different headers in the cell (one for the column that  
 goes downwards from the cell, the other one for the row going  
 rightwards from the cell)?

 Thank you!

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Crossing out a table cell

[Paul Findon]

On 2 Jun 2008, at 18:19, Art Campbell wrote:

> If you want it to be editable, you can use two tags, one set flush
> left and the other on the lower, second line, set flush right.

Then, put an anchored frame in the cell, set it to Outside Column,  
drag the frame so that it's a tad larger then the cell, then draw a  
diagonal line inside the frame. If the size of the cell changes,  
you'll need to adjust the line, but at least it will go with the  
flow, as it were.

Diagonal cell lines are something InDesign does with aplomb.

Paul


> If you don't need it to be (easily) editable, set it up as a graphic
> and import the graphic.
>
> Art
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:37 AM, mathieu jacquet  
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> is there a way to cross out a cell diagonally in a table, and  
>> enter two different headers in the cell (one for the column that  
>> goes downwards from the cell, the other one for the row going  
>> rightwards from the cell)?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Mathieu.
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Re: Haven't we learnt anything about usability? [was Re: defaultreply-to-all ]

[Paul Findon]

On 19 May 2008, at 21:16, Mike Bradley wrote:

 Does this list have a moderator? Could you poll the list so that  
 we can settle
 this the democratic way?

I think Lisa Bronson took over as list mom in 2005. Before that it  
was Bradley Anderson. Neither have posted anything to this list for  
awhile.  Perhaps there are some changes going on behind the scenes  
because the frameusers.com Web site has been down for sometime.

A poll sounds good.

Lisa, Brad, Anyone?

Paul
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Haven't we learnt anything about usability? [was "Re: default"reply-to-all" "]

[Paul Findon]

On 19 May 2008, at 21:16, Mike Bradley wrote:

>> Does this list have a moderator? Could you poll the list so that  
>> we can settle
> this the democratic way?

I think Lisa Bronson took over as list mom in 2005. Before that it  
was Bradley Anderson. Neither have posted anything to this list for  
awhile.  Perhaps there are some changes going on behind the scenes  
because the frameusers.com Web site has been down for sometime.

A poll sounds good.

Lisa, Brad, Anyone?

Paul

Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))

[Paul Findon]

On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

 On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Which is worse? --

 - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are  
 replying to
 the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or
 inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire
 list. The damage is done.

 - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two
 mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to  
 the list.

 A default reply-to-all listserv configuration is evil.

 Quite right.  But it's worse than that.  A list with reply-to-all

I disagree.

Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt,  
others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your  
Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list.

I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and  
Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way.  
Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the  
addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped  
many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will  
naturally be more careful and double-check the To address.

Paul
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Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))

[Paul Findon]

Hi Richard,

You are quite right. I did not address Alan's argument, the reason  
being that his points did not resonate with me.

 - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are  
 replying to
 the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or
 inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire
 list. The damage is done.

Maybe. But it's highly unlikely that I would be replying to a message  
from a mailing list dedicated to a software product for technical  
authoring and publishing with anything that's personal, privileged,  
or inappropriate for public consumption.

 - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two
 mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to  
 the list.


What normally happens to me with Framers is that I reply to a message  
with some info that I believe will of interest to other Framers and  
may trigger a response, or I add a new sub question. Then, after  
several days I remember the thread and wonder why no one has  
responded. I check the message I sent and discover that once again  
I've been fooled by Framers non-standard reply mechanism.

Paul


On 16 May 2008, at 15:11, Combs, Richard wrote:

 Paul Findon wrote:

 On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

 On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Which is worse? --

 - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are
 replying to
 the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged,
 or
 inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire
 list. The damage is done.

 - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With
 two
 mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to
 the list.

 A default reply-to-all listserv configuration is evil.

 Quite right.  But it's worse than that.  A list with reply-to-all

 I disagree.

 Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt,
 others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your
 Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list.

 You're making a distinction without a difference. Alan and Jeremy
 weren't speaking _literally_ about reply-to-all, but _functionally_.
 Your reply-to-list goes to everyone on the list, so it functions
 exactly as Alan described.

 You haven't countered Alan's argument, just stated that you prefer
 something different. OK, noted. :-)

 Richard


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Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))

[Paul Findon]

On 16 May 2008, at 18:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Paul Findon wrote (in part):
 Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt,
 others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your
 Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list.

 Terrible approach!! The e-mail client world has been relying on  
 Reply
 only going to the sender for a long, long time! Changing this behavior
 is likely to be far more prone to error, IMHO.

 And, FWIW, there is no Reply-to-list in my e-mail clients at all.  
 How
 would Outlook or Thunderbird even know these e-mails were from a  
 list?

 Isn't a list just like a giant e-mail alias (where people can
 add/remove themselves without needing an alias administrator)?

 I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and
 Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way.

 Hmmm ... not my experience. The lists that I am on send this stuff  
 to me
 via e-mail. It is my e-mail client behavior that governs how the
 addressing is done ... nothing to do with the list.

Mailman (the mailing list manager used for Framers), LISTSERV, Yahoo  
Groups, and other mailing list programs allow the list owner to  
specify whether or not message replies are sent to the list (normal,  
IMHO) or sender only. If it's list, the mailing list program  
automatically adds a Reply-To field to the headers of messages sent  
out to subscribers that contains the list address, and when they  
click Reply in their e-mail client, the Reply-To address is used. If  
there's no Reply-To field, as is the case with Framers, the e-mail  
client uses the address in the From field.

If you take a look at the headers of messages from other groups that  
you subscribe to, it's likely that you'll see a Reply-To field. Look  
at the headers of Framers messages, on the hand, and you won't.

I'm currently on eight lists. Seven of them add a Reply-To field so  
that replies go the list. Framers is the odd one out.

FWIW, I've setup and run lists using LISTSERV and Yahoo Groups.

Paul

PS: It just happened again. I meant to send this to the list but it  
went to Z only. How did I discover this? A message I sent later  
appeared on the list before this one, so I checked the message I'd  
sent, noticed the addressing error and sent it again. Humbug!
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default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))

[Paul Findon]

On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

> On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser  
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Which is worse? --
>>
>> - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are  
>> replying to
>> the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or
>> inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire
>> list. The damage is done.
>>
>> - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two
>> mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to  
>> the list.
>>
>> A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil.
>
> Quite right.  But it's worse than that.  A list with reply-to-all

I disagree.

Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt,  
others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your  
Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list.

I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and  
Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way.  
Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the  
addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped  
many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will  
naturally be more careful and double-check the To address.

Paul

default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))

[Paul Findon]

Hi Richard,

You are quite right. I did not address Alan's argument, the reason  
being that his points did not resonate with me.

> - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are  
> replying to
> the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or
> inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire
> list. The damage is done.

Maybe. But it's highly unlikely that I would be replying to a message  
from a mailing list dedicated to a software product for technical  
authoring and publishing with anything that's personal, privileged,  
or inappropriate for public consumption.

> - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two
> mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to  
> the list.


What normally happens to me with Framers is that I reply to a message  
with some info that I believe will of interest to other Framers and  
may trigger a response, or I add a new sub question. Then, after  
several days I remember the thread and wonder why no one has  
responded. I check the message I sent and discover that once again  
I've been fooled by Framers non-standard reply mechanism.

Paul


On 16 May 2008, at 15:11, Combs, Richard wrote:

> Paul Findon wrote:
>
>> On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which is worse? --
>>>>
>>>> - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are
>>>> replying to
>>>> the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged,
> or
>>>> inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire
>>>> list. The damage is done.
>>>>
>>>> - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With
> two
>>>> mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to
>>>> the list.
>>>>
>>>> A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil.
>>>
>>> Quite right.  But it's worse than that.  A list with reply-to-all
>>
>> I disagree.
>>
>> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt,
>> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your
>> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list.
>
> You're making a distinction without a difference. Alan and Jeremy
> weren't speaking _literally_ about "reply-to-all," but _functionally_.
> Your "reply-to-list" goes to everyone on the list, so it functions
> exactly as Alan described.
>
> You haven't countered Alan's argument, just stated that you prefer
> something different. OK, noted. :-)
>
> Richard
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>

default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))

[Paul Findon]

On 16 May 2008, at 18:36,   
 wrote:

>> Paul Findon wrote (in part):
>>> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt,
>>> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your
>>> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list.
>
> Terrible approach!! The e-mail client world has been relying on  
> "Reply"
> only going to the sender for a long, long time! Changing this behavior
> is likely to be far more prone to error, IMHO.
>
> And, FWIW, there is no "Reply-to-list" in my e-mail clients at all.  
> How
> would Outlook or Thunderbird even know these e-mails were from a  
> "list"?
>
> Isn't a "list" just like a giant e-mail alias (where people can
> add/remove themselves without needing an alias administrator)?
>
>>> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and
>>> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way.
>
> Hmmm ... not my experience. The lists that I am on send this stuff  
> to me
> via e-mail. It is my e-mail client behavior that governs how the
> addressing is done ... nothing to do with the list.

Mailman (the mailing list manager used for Framers), LISTSERV, Yahoo  
Groups, and other mailing list programs allow the list owner to  
specify whether or not message replies are sent to the list (normal,  
IMHO) or sender only. If it's list, the mailing list program  
automatically adds a "Reply-To" field to the headers of messages sent  
out to subscribers that contains the list address, and when they  
click Reply in their e-mail client, the Reply-To address is used. If  
there's no Reply-To field, as is the case with Framers, the e-mail  
client uses the address in the From field.

If you take a look at the headers of messages from other groups that  
you subscribe to, it's likely that you'll see a Reply-To field. Look  
at the headers of Framers messages, on the hand, and you won't.

I'm currently on eight lists. Seven of them add a Reply-To field so  
that replies go the list. Framers is the odd one out.

FWIW, I've setup and run lists using LISTSERV and Yahoo Groups.

Paul

PS: It just happened again. I meant to send this to the list but it  
went to Z only. How did I discover this? A message I sent later  
appeared on the list before this one, so I checked the message I'd  
sent, noticed the addressing error and sent it again. Humbug!

Re: Searching Framers archives (was RE: FrameMaker on Japanese OS)

[Paul Findon]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the workarounds.

 You can use Google. Enter search string site:frameusers.com (sans
 quotes). Or you can browse the archives (by thread, subject,  
 author, or
 date) at: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/

FWIW, I downloaded the archives to my Mac and searched them en masse  
using TextWrangler, a text editor.

 That said, a Google search for framemaker update site:frameusers.com
 turned up some posts about the 8.0.1 update, but nothing about the  
 issue
 you mentioned. Maybe browsing the archives around the date of those
 posts will turn up something.

Crazy really, it was only yesterday, but I cannot for the life of me  
remember the term I used to find that info. Tried 8.0.2, update,  
downloading, manually, updater...

Still, it would be great to get proper searchable archives back  
online. Yahoo Groups work well. Incidentally, when I set up my first  
list using LISTSERV, I hacked together a Perl script to search the  
list archives. I was really pleased with myself when I worked out how  
to highlight the search term in red in the results :-)

Paul
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[Paul Findon]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the workarounds.

> You can use Google. Enter " site:frameusers.com" (sans
> quotes). Or you can browse the archives (by thread, subject,  
> author, or
> date) at: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/

FWIW, I downloaded the archives to my Mac and searched them en masse  
using TextWrangler, a text editor.

> That said, a Google search for "framemaker update site:frameusers.com"
> turned up some posts about the 8.0.1 update, but nothing about the  
> issue
> you mentioned. Maybe browsing the archives around the date of those
> posts will turn up something.

Crazy really, it was only yesterday, but I cannot for the life of me  
remember the term I used to find that info. Tried 8.0.2, update,  
downloading, manually, updater...

Still, it would be great to get "proper" searchable archives back  
online. Yahoo Groups work well. Incidentally, when I set up my first  
list using LISTSERV, I hacked together a Perl script to search the  
list archives. I was really pleased with myself when I worked out how  
to highlight the search term in red in the results :-)

Paul

Re: FrameMaker on Japanese OS

[Paul Findon]

Hi Yosuke,

Glad to know it's not just my setup. I guess we can file this one  
under bug.

Incidentally, when I ran Update from the Help menu, I had to quit FM  
manually while the update downloaded, otherwise the update failed. I  
remembered reading about this on the list but couldn't search the  
archives because frameusers.com has been down for weeks.  
freeframers.org has a working archive search tool. Brad, what's  
happening to frameusers? Please can we have a search facility.

Paul



On 13 May 2008, at 02:47, Yosuke Ichikawa wrote:

 Paul,

 Same here. When I press the Asian language features: [Information]
 button in the Preferences dialog box, I get the same message. I'm
 running FM 8.0 on XP Japanese, in Japan, FWIW; I've just installed the
 program with English UI (it's the same program). No trouble with the
 actual language features, but as you say, the dialog is rather odd.


 -Yosuke



 Paul Findon さんは書きました:
 Framers,

 I've installed Win FrameMaker 8.0 (Japanese) on a PC running the
 Japanese version of Windows XP. Everything seems to work OK except
 for a rather odd message in File  Preferences  General  Nihongo
 Kinou  Jouhou that says something along the lines of although
 FrameMaker can display Japanese text, most of the Japanese functions
 are not available because it's not running on a version of Windows
 that can display Japanese text in menus and dialog boxes. However,
 the Japanese functions (rubi, kanji spacing, etc.) are all available
 and working.

 I'm running the Japanese version of Windows XP, and all the regional
 settings, keyboard, time and date, etc., are set for Japan, so why
 the curious message. Is FrameMaker confused?

 Another oddity. When installing the 8.0.2 update, some of the
 updater's dialog boxes appeared in French.

 Anyone else experience this?

 Paul
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[Paul Findon]

Hi Yosuke,

Glad to know it's not just my setup. I guess we can file this one  
under "bug."

Incidentally, when I ran Update from the Help menu, I had to quit FM  
manually while the update downloaded, otherwise the update failed. I  
remembered reading about this on the list but couldn't search the  
archives because frameusers.com has been down for weeks.  
freeframers.org has a working archive search tool. Brad, what's  
happening to frameusers? Please can we have a search facility.

Paul



On 13 May 2008, at 02:47, Yosuke Ichikawa wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Same here. When I press the Asian language features: [Information]
> button in the Preferences dialog box, I get the same message. I'm
> running FM 8.0 on XP Japanese, in Japan, FWIW; I've just installed the
> program with English UI (it's the same program). No trouble with the
> actual language features, but as you say, the dialog is rather odd.
>
>
> -Yosuke
>
>
>
> Paul Findon :
>> Framers,
>>
>> I've installed Win FrameMaker 8.0 (Japanese) on a PC running the
>> Japanese version of Windows XP. Everything seems to work OK except
>> for a rather odd message in File > Preferences > General > Nihongo
>> Kinou > Jouhou that says something along the lines of "although
>> FrameMaker can display Japanese text, most of the Japanese functions
>> are not available because it's not running on a version of Windows
>> that can display Japanese text in menus and dialog boxes." However,
>> the Japanese functions (rubi, kanji spacing, etc.) are all available
>> and working.
>>
>> I'm running the Japanese version of Windows XP, and all the regional
>> settings, keyboard, time and date, etc., are set for Japan, so why
>> the curious message. Is FrameMaker confused?
>>
>> Another oddity. When installing the 8.0.2 update, some of the
>> updater's dialog boxes appeared in French.
>>
>> Anyone else experience this?
>>
>> Paul
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FrameMaker on Japanese OS

[Paul Findon]

Framers,

I've installed Win FrameMaker 8.0 (Japanese) on a PC running the  
Japanese version of Windows XP. Everything seems to work OK except  
for a rather odd message in File  Preferences  General  Nihongo  
Kinou  Jouhou that says something along the lines of although  
FrameMaker can display Japanese text, most of the Japanese functions  
are not available because it's not running on a version of Windows  
that can display Japanese text in menus and dialog boxes. However,  
the Japanese functions (rubi, kanji spacing, etc.) are all available  
and working.

I'm running the Japanese version of Windows XP, and all the regional  
settings, keyboard, time and date, etc., are set for Japan, so why  
the curious message. Is FrameMaker confused?

Another oddity. When installing the 8.0.2 update, some of the  
updater's dialog boxes appeared in French.

Anyone else experience this?

Paul
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FrameMaker on Japanese OS

[Paul Findon]

Framers,

I've installed Win FrameMaker 8.0 (Japanese) on a PC running the  
Japanese version of Windows XP. Everything seems to work OK except  
for a rather odd message in File > Preferences > General > Nihongo  
Kinou > Jouhou that says something along the lines of "although  
FrameMaker can display Japanese text, most of the Japanese functions  
are not available because it's not running on a version of Windows  
that can display Japanese text in menus and dialog boxes." However,  
the Japanese functions (rubi, kanji spacing, etc.) are all available  
and working.

I'm running the Japanese version of Windows XP, and all the regional  
settings, keyboard, time and date, etc., are set for Japan, so why  
the curious message. Is FrameMaker confused?

Another oddity. When installing the 8.0.2 update, some of the  
updater's dialog boxes appeared in French.

Anyone else experience this?

Paul

Microsoft XP support

[Paul Findon]

On 28 Apr 2008, at 12:38, Austin Meredith wrote:

> According to this morning's newspaper, Microsoft plans to discontinue
> its support of XP on June 30th. Is this something we should be  
> discussing?

According to this report, Dell, HP, and Lenovo may continue to offer  
XP under the terms of a "downgrade license."


Adobe discontinued Mac FrameMaker exactly four years ago but we still  
use today, so Microsoft discontinuing XP shouldn't affect existing  
users too much. Anyone looking to buy a copy in the future, however,  
may have to pay over the odds. In fact, eBay speculators are probably  
buying up copies as we speak.

If Microsoft announced that it was no longer going to provide  
activation keys for Windows XP, now that really would cause a  
kerfuffle. Kind of like what's happened with their PlaysForSure music  
service. Ouch! The dangers of DRM...


Paul

Japanese FrameMaker

[Paul Findon]

Framers,

Mac FrameMaker 6 and 7 CDs contain a single installation file and  
when launched you get to choose English, German, French, or Japanese.  
Can anyone tell me if this is the same for Windows FrameMaker 8.0?

I need the Japanese version ASAP. Tried the Adobe Japan online store,  
but it won't let me buy (non-Japan IP, I guess).

Paul

Re: how to change PDF comment text font size?

[Paul Findon]

On 16 Mar 2008, at 12:23, Orly Zimmerman wrote:

 Is there any way to control the size of the text in the comments box
 when commenting on Comment enabled PDFs?

Preferences  Commenting  Font Size works for me, but only for Notes.

 A colleague would like to add names to a floor plan created in Autocad
 and saved as PDF and write in the names of each person in the cubicle
 using the PDF commenting feature. But our current text is too large  
 for
 full names. I tried using the EditPreferencesCommentingViewing
 Comments. There is a possibilty there to change the font size, but it
 doesn't seem to work for us.

Here's a workaround. Use the Text Field Tool to draw form fields on  
your cubicles. You can choose a font and choose from a selection of  
font sizes, or use the Auto Font Size setting, which automatically  
sets the font size so that the text fits the field.

Have fun!

Paul
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On 16 Mar 2008, at 12:23, Orly Zimmerman wrote:

> Is there any way to control the size of the text in the comments box
> when commenting on Comment enabled PDFs?

Preferences > Commenting > Font Size works for me, but only for Notes.

> A colleague would like to add names to a floor plan created in Autocad
> and saved as PDF and write in the names of each person in the cubicle
> using the PDF commenting feature. But our current text is too large  
> for
> full names. I tried using the Edit>Preferences>Commenting>Viewing
> Comments. There is a possibilty there to change the font size, but it
> doesn't seem to work for us.

Here's a workaround. Use the Text Field Tool to draw form fields on  
your cubicles. You can choose a font and choose from a selection of  
font sizes, or use the Auto Font Size setting, which automatically  
sets the font size so that the text fits the field.

Have fun!

Paul

Re: Text string in title case?

[Paul Findon]

Hi Tina,

This is impossible with FrameMaker alone. I thought perhaps Spell  
Catcher could handle it, as it does have commands for changing case  
to Title style, but even that simply capitalises the first letter of  
each word.

A job for AppleScript perhaps? (NG to you unless you use Mac  
FrameMaker.)

I found a script at http://bbs.applescript.net/viewtopic.php? 
id=13297 that, in addition to changing case to Title style, can also  
set a bunch of specified definite and indefinite articles,  
conjunctions, and prepositions that don't start a sentence to  
lowercase. Something the script author has called Mixed style.

I'm not a programmer, but with a little head scratching, I managed to  
edit this script so that it searches an open FrameMaker document and  
changes all paragraphs tagged Heading1 or whatever you like to  
Mixed style. Works a treat!

Incidentally, for Title style (or what CMOS calls Headline style),  
do you follow the Microsoft style of not capitalising prepositions of  
four or fewer letters. Or Apple's style of not capitalising  
prepositions of three or fewer letters. Or CMOS's recommendation of  
lowercasing prepositions regardless of length?

Styles - you gotta love 'em.

Paul


 Hi all,



 I'm trying to put many text strings (book titles) throughout a long  
 book
 into title case. I need to do this at the character level, not the
 paragraph. For example, changing



 THE TITLE OF THIS BOOK



 to



 The Title of This Book



 So. it needs to have some logic, i.e. knows to skip conjunctions  
 like of
 and and etc.



 I can see in the character designer how to change a set of  
 characters to
 small caps, lowercase, or uppercase. Does anyone know of a way to  
 make this
 ability go one step further and become title case?



 Tina Ricks

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[Paul Findon]

Hi Tina,

This is impossible with FrameMaker alone. I thought perhaps Spell  
Catcher could handle it, as it does have commands for changing case  
to Title style, but even that simply capitalises the first letter of  
each word.

A job for AppleScript perhaps? (NG to you unless you use Mac  
FrameMaker.)

I found a script at  that, in addition to changing case to Title style, can also  
set a bunch of specified definite and indefinite articles,  
conjunctions, and prepositions that don't start a sentence to  
lowercase. Something the script author has called "Mixed" style.

I'm not a programmer, but with a little head scratching, I managed to  
edit this script so that it searches an open FrameMaker document and  
changes all paragraphs tagged "Heading1" or whatever you like to  
Mixed style. Works a treat!

Incidentally, for Title style (or what CMOS calls "Headline" style),  
do you follow the Microsoft style of not capitalising prepositions of  
four or fewer letters. Or Apple's style of not capitalising  
prepositions of three or fewer letters. Or CMOS's recommendation of  
lowercasing prepositions regardless of length?

Styles - you gotta love 'em.

Paul


> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I'm trying to put many text strings (book titles) throughout a long  
> book
> into title case. I need to do this at the character level, not the
> paragraph. For example, changing
>
>
>
> THE TITLE OF THIS BOOK
>
>
>
> to
>
>
>
> The Title of This Book
>
>
>
> So. it needs to have some logic, i.e. knows to skip conjunctions  
> like "of"
> and "and" etc.
>
>
>
> I can see in the character designer how to change a set of  
> characters to
> small caps, lowercase, or uppercase. Does anyone know of a way to  
> make this
> ability go one step further and become title case?
>
>
>
> Tina Ricks
>
> Editor
>
> Trial Guides, LLC
>
> tina at trialguides.com
>

Re: Scripting pulling FM files from version control and creating PDFs

[Paul Findon]

On 21 Feb 2008, at 02:17, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

 A client would like to be able to have a script that runs nightly  
 that will
 do the following:

 - Pull FM files and books from their version control system (PVCS)

 - Maybe set conditions (not sure if this is needed yet)

 - Update the books

 - Create PDFs of books and some stand-alone files

 - Put the resulting PDFs in a specific place for the nightly build

 It seems like fmbatch can do this, but I think it only works with  
 FM for
 Unix (they have FM for Win).

 Can any of the other FDK tools do this? (An in-house developer will  
 likely
 write the script.)

 What about FrameScript?

 What tool is best?

This would be a piece of cake with AppleScript.

Whoops!

I forgot Adobe killed off the best version of FrameMaker. Ha, ha, ha...

Paul
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On 21 Feb 2008, at 02:17, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> A client would like to be able to have a script that runs nightly  
> that will
> do the following:
>
> - Pull FM files and books from their version control system (PVCS)
>
> - Maybe set conditions (not sure if this is needed yet)
>
> - Update the books
>
> - Create PDFs of books and some stand-alone files
>
> - Put the resulting PDFs in a specific place for the nightly build
>
> It seems like fmbatch can do this, but I think it only works with  
> FM for
> Unix (they have FM for Win).
>
> Can any of the other FDK tools do this? (An in-house developer will  
> likely
> write the script.)
>
> What about FrameScript?
>
> What tool is best?

This would be a piece of cake with AppleScript.

Whoops!

I forgot Adobe killed off the best version of FrameMaker. Ha, ha, ha...

Paul

Re: future of FrameMaker

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 14:52, Dov Isaacs wrote:

 On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated, let me assure you that
 FrameMaker remains under active development. A next major version
 is currently being developed.


Shucks...

...I was just about to register saveframemakerpetition.org :-))

Paul
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On 14 Feb 2008, at 14:52, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated, let me assure you that
> FrameMaker remains under active development. A next major version
> is currently being developed.


Shucks...

...I was just about to register  :-))

Paul

future of FrameMaker

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 18:22, Bernard Aschwanden wrote:

> I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe  
> is here.
> They are talking about the future of the product. The development  
> team is
> here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
> future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I  
> can't

Hi Bernard,

At the risk of repeating myself (ha, ha!), please tell RJ and the  
team that the feature I - and the nearly 4,000 Adobe customers who've  
signed the FM4OSX Petition - really, really want in FrameMaker 9.0 is  
support for Mac OS X.

Thanks

Paul

WINE (Was Re: future of FrameMaker)

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 21:22, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> Just so nobody has any unwarranted expectations ...
>
> Regardless of whether you or I like it, the next major version
> of FrameMaker will NOT support Macintosh natively for the exact
> same reasons such support was discontinued in the first place.
> You obviously can try to use it under Parallels or Boot Camp on
> MacIntel systems.

A new version of WINE was released last week, so if you're an Intel  
Mac user and want to run Windows FrameMaker without Windows, VMWare,  
Parallels, or Boot Camp, you may wish to give it a try. They're  
looking for Framemaker users to test Framemaker and report bugs. More  
at:


Paul

Re: also working with images

[Paul Findon]

On 13 Feb 2008, at 13:15, Milan Davidovic wrote:

 On 2/4/08, Mike Wickham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you're on the Windows platform, and creating documents for  
 press, EPS is
 really the only way to go for color graphics. With every other  
 graphics
 format, Frame passes the graphics through the Windows GDI when  
 creating
 Postscript. CMYK graphics are converted to RGB in the process and  
 colors may
 change. EPS is passed around the Windows GDI and maintains  
 original colors.

 Slightly OT, but for comparison purposes -- does InDesign do this  
 as well

No. Adobe's modern apps (the CS stuff) use Adobe's own engines for  
graphics, type, and color. PDFs are produced directly, bypassing OS  
idiosyncrasies.

That and the fact that Adobe Bridge (another CS app) does a lot of  
the work of Windows Explorer and Mac Finder, makes you wonder why  
they don't just build their own OS using Flex. Adobe OS! Now there's  
a thought ;-)

Paul
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On 13 Feb 2008, at 13:15, Milan Davidovic wrote:

> On 2/4/08, Mike Wickham  wrote:
>> If you're on the Windows platform, and creating documents for  
>> press, EPS is
>> really the only way to go for color graphics. With every other  
>> graphics
>> format, Frame passes the graphics through the Windows GDI when  
>> creating
>> Postscript. CMYK graphics are converted to RGB in the process and  
>> colors may
>> change. EPS is passed around the Windows GDI and maintains  
>> original colors.
>
> Slightly OT, but for comparison purposes -- does InDesign do this  
> as well

No. Adobe's "modern" apps (the CS stuff) use Adobe's own engines for  
graphics, type, and color. PDFs are produced directly, bypassing OS  
idiosyncrasies.

That and the fact that Adobe Bridge (another CS app) does a lot of  
the work of Windows Explorer and Mac Finder, makes you wonder why  
they don't just build their own OS using Flex. Adobe OS! Now there's  
a thought ;-)

Paul

Keyboard shortcut for copyright symbol

[Paul Findon]

On 24 Jan 2008, at 16:19, Glenn Voyles wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, does anyone use (or not use) ALT+0169 (or other
> "alt" codes) for any particular reason?

I use Option-G. It works in all apps and has done for a very, very  
long time. But then, I'm using Mac FrameMaker.

Paul

Steve Skirsch

[Paul Findon]

If you use FrameMaker, one name you must know is Steve Skirsch, the  
man who, along with Charles Corfield, David Murray, and a few others,  
started the company Frame Technology in 1986 and released FrameMaker  
1.0 the following year. The rest, as they say, is history.

While clicking around on the FM4OSX Web site the other day, I landed  
at http://skirsch.com/, where I was shocked to read that Steve has  
been diagnosed with a rare and incurable blood cancer called  
Waldenstrom Macroglobulinemia. He may have only 5 years left, but  
he intends to try and change the outcome and has set up the Kirsch  
Fund for Waldenstrom's Research to fund research in to the disease.

If you'd like to to donate to his fund, you can do so online at  
BrightLight:
http://www.bringlight.com/projects/show/127

You can read a lot more at Steve's Web site:
http://skirsch.com/

Paul Findon
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Steve Skirsch

[Paul Findon]

If you use FrameMaker, one name you must know is Steve Skirsch, the  
man who, along with Charles Corfield, David Murray, and a few others,  
started the company Frame Technology in 1986 and released FrameMaker  
1.0 the following year. The rest, as they say, is history.

While clicking around on the FM4OSX Web site the other day, I landed  
at <http://skirsch.com/>, where I was shocked to read that Steve has  
been diagnosed with a rare and incurable blood cancer called  
"Waldenstrom Macroglobulinemia." He may have only 5 years left, but  
he intends to try and change the outcome and has set up the Kirsch  
Fund for Waldenstrom's Research to fund research in to the disease.

If you'd like to to donate to his fund, you can do so online at  
BrightLight:
<http://www.bringlight.com/projects/show/127>

You can read a lot more at Steve's Web site:
<http://skirsch.com/>

Paul Findon

Frame's lame callouts

[Paul Findon]

On 13 Nov 2007, at 22:01, Ann Zdunczyk wrote:

>
> Another reason to use Text Frames rather than Graphical Text is if  
> you have
> you documents translated this works MUCH better. I have seen do  
> done both
> ways and if you use Graphical text the layout person has to  
> remember to see
> if the translated text is hidden under the edge of the graphic  
> frame. If you
> use the Text Frames then the text wraps with in the frame.

I think Trados, WordFast, and other TAs handle text frames better as  
well.

Paul

Re: FM Search Tools

[Paul Findon]

On 7 Nov 2007, at 09:06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools  
that does a good job searching FM files?


This won't help you because you're running Windows, but EasyFind by  
Devon Technologies is a great tool for searching the contents FM  
binary files on Mac OS X.


Mac OS X's Spotlight doesn't search in FrameMaker files because  
there's no plug-in available. EasyFind, however, does, and in my  
initial tests it appears to work brilliantly and helped me locate  
several FM files whose names I couldn't remember.


http://devon-technologies.com/download/

Paul

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FM Search Tools

[Paul Findon]

On 7 Nov 2007, at 09:06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

> Does anyone have a recommendation of a free or cheap search tools  
> that does a good job searching FM files?

This won't help you because you're running Windows, but EasyFind by  
Devon Technologies is a great tool for searching the contents FM  
binary files on Mac OS X.

Mac OS X's Spotlight doesn't search in FrameMaker files because  
there's no plug-in available. EasyFind, however, does, and in my  
initial tests it appears to work brilliantly and helped me locate  
several FM files whose names I couldn't remember.



Paul

Re: Odd maths font problem... more

[Paul Findon]

On 4 Sep 2007, at 10:23, Steve Rickaby wrote:

I have a workaround for the 'bad' equations, which is to use the  
author's PDFs and import them into the target FrameMaker document,  
but I absolutely need to diagnose this problem for the future. I  
have worked with FrameMaker equations cross-platform in the past,  
including some books with a very large volume of equations, without  
any problem of this sort.


Steve,

Have you tried booting in Mac OS 9? This may well be a Classic issue,  
especially as you say it worked OK in the past.


Paul
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Odd maths font problem... more

[Paul Findon]

On 4 Sep 2007, at 10:23, Steve Rickaby wrote:

> I have a workaround for the 'bad' equations, which is to use the  
> author's PDFs and import them into the target FrameMaker document,  
> but I absolutely need to diagnose this problem for the future. I  
> have worked with FrameMaker equations cross-platform in the past,  
> including some books with a very large volume of equations, without  
> any problem of this sort.

Steve,

Have you tried booting in Mac OS 9? This may well be a Classic issue,  
especially as you say it worked OK in the past.

Paul

Re: Learning FrameMaker 7.0 on Mactel (10.4.10) with Parallels/XP Home

[Paul Findon]

On 28 Aug 2007, at 14:03, Mark Poston wrote:

I use FM7.2  8 on a daily basis on Windows XP Pro under Parallels.  
It has
been a very stable environment for me. Using Parallels in Coherent  
mode

means that FM sits nicely with my other Mac apps.


I'd like to know how copy and paste, especially with 2-byte languages  
such as Japanese and Chinese, works between Mac apps and WIndows  
FrameMaker under Parallels? Since FM8 is Unicode savvy, the results  
may be different for FM6/7 and FM8.


Today, I'm working on an FM document containing Japanese, and every  
time I want to copy and paste a Japanese word or phrase into my J-E  
dictionaries, online and offline, I first have to convert it from  
Shift-JIS to UTF-8 in another app (SubEthaEdit), which grows more and  
more tedious as the day goes on. A Unicode-savvy version of  
FrameMaker for Mac OS X would certainly provide some relief.


Interestingly, if I copy UTF-8 text into FM, Mac OS X/Classic  
automatically does the UTF-8 to Shift-JIS conversion for me.


I'm running FM6 in Classic on a Power Mac G5 (Mac OS 10.4.10).

Paul



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Learning FrameMaker 7.0 on Mactel (10.4.10) with Parallels/XP Home

[Paul Findon]

On 28 Aug 2007, at 14:03, Mark Poston wrote:

> I use FM7.2 & 8 on a daily basis on Windows XP Pro under Parallels.  
> It has
> been a very stable environment for me. Using Parallels in Coherent  
> mode
> means that FM sits nicely with my other Mac apps.

I'd like to know how copy and paste, especially with 2-byte languages  
such as Japanese and Chinese, works between Mac apps and WIndows  
FrameMaker under Parallels? Since FM8 is Unicode savvy, the results  
may be different for FM6/7 and FM8.

Today, I'm working on an FM document containing Japanese, and every  
time I want to copy and paste a Japanese word or phrase into my J-E  
dictionaries, online and offline, I first have to convert it from  
Shift-JIS to UTF-8 in another app (SubEthaEdit), which grows more and  
more tedious as the day goes on. A Unicode-savvy version of  
FrameMaker for Mac OS X would certainly provide some relief.

Interestingly, if I copy UTF-8 text into FM, Mac OS X/Classic  
automatically does the UTF-8 to Shift-JIS conversion for me.

I'm running FM6 in Classic on a Power Mac G5 (Mac OS 10.4.10).

Paul

Re: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Paul Findon]

Hi Ben,

Since FM8 doesn't support Mac, we don't have any upgrade plans.  
Still, it would be nice to move up from FM6, and if Adobe did deliver  
FM for Mac OS X, we'd snap up 10 copies in a flash.


We're not alone though, as Apple is still using Mac FM6 to produce  
its user guides, which is reassuring.


Paul


On 2 Aug 2007, at 17:00, objectives.ca wrote:



Hi Framers,

For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration  
plans?


Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time?

Thanks for your opinions!

Ben

Ben Hechter
objectives.ca
Technical Performance Support Solutions
Vancouver BC
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For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Paul Findon]

Hi Ben,

Since FM8 doesn't support Mac, we don't have any upgrade plans.  
Still, it would be nice to move up from FM6, and if Adobe did deliver  
FM for Mac OS X, we'd snap up 10 copies in a flash.

We're not alone though, as Apple is still using Mac FM6 to produce  
its user guides, which is reassuring.

Paul


On 2 Aug 2007, at 17:00, objectives.ca wrote:


> Hi Framers,
>
> For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration  
> plans?
>
> Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time?
>
> Thanks for your opinions!
>
> Ben
>
> Ben Hechter
> objectives.ca
> Technical Performance Support Solutions
> Vancouver BC
> t: 604-725-7385
> e: bhechter at objectives.ca
>

Re: Need 8 Install Help

[Paul Findon]

On 7 Aug 2007, at 18:55, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:


I would buy the thing off the Adobe website if they only let me -- in
a fair trade. I don't like being laughing stock of Adobe Finance
Specialists (or whatever they are) who have set up their feudal system
so that we, Europeans have to pay much more for the same software than
Americans. Why? There is no special Icelandic version. It seems we,
Icelanders, are supposed to buy off the Danish website where
everything is in Danish and everything is expensive!


Hi Bodvar,

I was just looking at pricing so fully sympathize.

If I'm spending GBP, based on current exchange rates, there are 3  
ways I can buy FM upgrades:


1) U.K. £287
2) U.S. £150
3) Japan £115  (English version)

In the U.K., Adobe products are not 20% more than the U.S. Not 30%.  
Not even 50%. But a massive 100%. That's right, twice as much!


You can always get someone in the U.S. to buy it and post it to you.  
Even with postage and possible import duty, you can still make  
massive savings.


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Need 8 Install Help

[Paul Findon]

On 7 Aug 2007, at 18:55, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:

> I would buy the thing off the Adobe website if they only let me -- in
> a fair trade. I don't like being laughing stock of Adobe Finance
> Specialists (or whatever they are) who have set up their feudal system
> so that we, Europeans have to pay much more for the same software than
> Americans. Why? There is no special Icelandic version. It seems we,
> Icelanders, are supposed to buy off the Danish website where
> everything is in Danish and everything is expensive!

Hi Bodvar,

I was just looking at pricing so fully sympathize.

If I'm spending GBP, based on current exchange rates, there are 3  
ways I can buy FM upgrades:

1) U.K. ?287
2) U.S. ?150
3) Japan ?115  (English version)

In the U.K., Adobe products are not 20% more than the U.S. Not 30%.  
Not even 50%. But a massive 100%. That's right, twice as much!

You can always get someone in the U.S. to buy it and post it to you.  
Even with postage and possible import duty, you can still make  
massive savings.

Paul

Re: Acrobat 8 / Distiller on Mac

[Paul Findon]

On 16 Jun 2007, at 09:52, Steve Rickaby wrote:

I currently have a good sound working FrameMaker set-up with  
FrameMaker 7.0 and Acrobat 6 Pro on Mac.


I may have to go to Acrobat 8 for non-FrameMaker reasons. As there  
have been reports [Windows only?] of Acrobat 8 installations  
interfering with FrameMaker PDF workflows, can anyone prompt me on  
the 'correct' or 'safe' method of installing Acrobat 8 Pro so as  
not to interfere with FrameMaker's ability to create PDFs?


[I always print to Ps and distill in Distiller separately.]


Can't vouch for Acrobat 8.0 Pro, but 7.0 Pro works fine with Mac  
FrameMaker 6.0 when used in the way you describe.


Paul
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Re: How many FM users are there?

[Paul Findon]

On 16 May 2007, at 16:00, Bernard Aschwanden wrote:

Just as a further note to the info Max passed on, I'm happy to say  
that several of the features shown included some awesome tools that  
Frame has been missing for years. While it was demo of a pre- 
release and not all versions may make it into the final copy (that  
should keep legal happy) it was neat to see things like track  
changes and multiple conditions being added into the application.


Adobe is looking for FrameMaker 8 beta testers.
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/

Paul
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Re: switched printers -- now HelvObl prints with extra slant

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On 19 Apr 2007, at 17:52, L MORITSUGU wrote:

Thanks very much for your suggestions. I fixed it, a day and a half  
later, after installing the fonts through Font Book, not directly  
into the System 9 Fonts folder (which I thought I'd read somewhere  
was the same thing, but maybe not).


For reference, Classic apps can only use fonts in the Macintosh HD   
System Folder  Fonts folder.


Paul
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switched printers -- now HelvObl prints with extra slant

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Apr 2007, at 17:52, L MORITSUGU wrote:

> Thanks very much for your suggestions. I fixed it, a day and a half  
> later, after installing the fonts through Font Book, not directly  
> into the System 9 Fonts folder (which I thought I'd read somewhere  
> was the same thing, but maybe not).

For reference, Classic apps can only use fonts in the Macintosh HD >  
System Folder > Fonts folder.

Paul

Re: switched printers -- now HelvObl prints with extra slant

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Apr 2007, at 07:00, fL MORITSUGU [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


I'm using FM 6.5, Mac, in Classic. I was printing to a Laserwriter  
Select

360, through an AsanteTalk bridge, and everything looked as it should.

I've just switched to a Lexmark E120n laser printer. Now it prints  
Helvetica
bold oblique and Helvetica oblique with an additional slant. (I  
have not

checked if this is also happening with other fonts.)

I've reinstalled the fonts, then installed a different version (from a
colleague) of the fonts into the System 9 Fonts folder, and  
restarted FM,

with no change.

This also happened, before I switched the printers (machines), when  
I made
pdfs from the FM files, either using a.) Save as, then Distiller,  
or b.)

Print to file, then Distiller.

It's probably something obvious, but I don't get it. Any ideas?


What font format are you using?

Does the issue also occur with other Mac OS 9 apps?

Does the issue occur with other fonts?

I always delete the TrueType Times, Helvetica, Symbol, etc., included  
with Mac OS 9 and replace with PostScript Type 1 versions.


BTW, there's a bunch of Mac FrameMaker users on the FrameMaker for  
Mac OS X discussion group at:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fmforosx/

Paul
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switched printers -- now HelvObl prints with extra slant

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Apr 2007, at 07:00, f"L MORITSUGU"   
wrote:

> I'm using FM 6.5, Mac, in Classic. I was printing to a Laserwriter  
> Select
> 360, through an AsanteTalk bridge, and everything looked as it should.
>
> I've just switched to a Lexmark E120n laser printer. Now it prints  
> Helvetica
> bold oblique and Helvetica oblique with an additional slant. (I  
> have not
> checked if this is also happening with other fonts.)
>
> I've reinstalled the fonts, then installed a different version (from a
> colleague) of the fonts into the System 9 Fonts folder, and  
> restarted FM,
> with no change.
>
> This also happened, before I switched the printers (machines), when  
> I made
> pdfs from the FM files, either using a.) Save as, then Distiller,  
> or b.)
> Print to file, then Distiller.
>
> It's probably something obvious, but I don't get it. Any ideas?

What font format are you using?

Does the issue also occur with other Mac OS 9 apps?

Does the issue occur with other fonts?

I always delete the TrueType Times, Helvetica, Symbol, etc., included  
with Mac OS 9 and replace with PostScript Type 1 versions.

BTW, there's a bunch of Mac FrameMaker users on the FrameMaker for  
Mac OS X discussion group at:


Paul

Re: platform - technical solution

[Paul Findon]

On 28 Feb 2007, at 18:21, Chris Borokowski wrote:


I'm sorry to post into this contentious topic, but I
specialize in technical solutions, and here are a
couple:


Thanks, Chris. I look at all possibilities.

I'm fairly tech. savvy, so if I was a solo FrameMaker user, something  
like Parallels could be a solution. But for a small enterprise with a  
network of writers, translators, and editors all using Mac FrameMaker  
spread accross Europe, Japan, and the U.S., add to that Japanese,  
Chinese, and Russian, in addition to the usual European languages,  
and your clients are world-class manufacturers, where the average  
manual department manager's biggest fear is not having a printed  
manual to drop into each carton when the production line in China  
starts up, you need a system that's very, very reliable. Pretty much  
like the Mac/FrameMaker combo we've used, relied on, and had great  
success with for the last 14 years, I guess.


Paul
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Re: Frame's future

[Paul Findon]

On 1 Mar 2007, at 14:00, Mike Wickham wrote:


When someone stabs you in the back after you've been a very  loyal
customer for nearly 20 years, you don't normally go running  back for
more.


So what action are you going to take against Apple for dropping  
Classic

support from their Mactel machines? They stabbed you in the back, too,
didn't they? Had Apple not made such a drastic change in its  
operating system, I'll bet Adobe would have made the last two  
FrameMaker point-upgrades available for Macs, too.


Apple gave us something better. Adobe gave us nothing.

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Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

[Paul Findon]

Steve Rickaby wrote:


Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult
stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output,
etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X

In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for  
GoLive, Illustrator, InDesign, etc. etc. So Adobe employs people  
who know how to get a document to print on a Mac, even under the  
formidably taxing OSX. It just chose not to put them to work on FM,  
because there was little demand for its previous, non-OSX, new- 
feature-thin FM upgrades. Terrific.


There may be other factors at work here. To create universal  
binaries that will work on OS X across MacIntel and PowerPC  
platforms, Adobe has to migrate their code base to XCode, the Apple  
development system. That process is, as I understand it, well under  
way for the CS 2 applications.


However, FrameMaker has a much older code base, so the effort to  
migrate it to XCode would be proportionately greater. For all I  
know, some parts of FrameMaker might be coded in Assembler for  
speed. If this is the case, moving such code to a multi-platform  
production base such as XCode would be all the more complex, and  
might involve a major re-coding effort. All this ups cost and  
reduces margins.


Who's side are you on, Steve ;-)

In the early '90s, I made many a manual with Adobe FrameMaker 3.0 for  
NeXTSTEP.


Hang on. Aren't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both built on BSD?

Hang on. Aren't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both built on the Mach kernel?

Hang on. Aren't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both object-orientated  
environments?


Hang on. Don't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both support Objective-C?

Hang on. NeXTSTEP used Display PostScript, Mac OS X uses PDF. Isn't  
PDF based on PostScript?


Hang on. Don't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both support Type 1 fonts?

Hang on. Weren't NeXTSTEP app developers some of the first to port  
their apps to Mac OS X?


How difficult could it be?

Paul
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Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

[Paul Findon]

On 1 Mar 2007, at 19:22, Dov Isaacs wrote:


Hang on. Don't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both support Type 1 fonts?

Hang on. Weren't NeXTSTEP app developers some of the first to port
their apps to Mac OS X?

How difficult could it be?

Paul



It is quite difficult because the similarities
you describe are totally irrelevant to the situation
at hand.


I thought there would be a catch ;-)

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Re: Frame's future

[Paul Findon]

On 1 Mar 2007, at 14:00, Mike Wickham wrote:


When someone stabs you in the back after you've been a very  loyal
customer for nearly 20 years, you don't normally go running  back  
for

more.


So what action are you going to take against Apple for dropping  
Classic
support from their Mactel machines? They stabbed you in the back,  
too,
didn't they? Had Apple not made such a drastic change in its  
operating system, I'll bet Adobe would have made the last two  
FrameMaker point-upgrades available for Macs, too.



Apple gave us something better. Adobe gave us nothing.



Paul


Sorry, Mike. I think your comment deserves a better response.

Mac OS 9 was a fine OS in its day, but its time had come. We wanted a  
modern OS with pre-emptive multitasking, memory protection, and so  
on, especially those of us that had had first-hand experience of  
these things with NeXTSTEP in the early '90s. We started with Macs  
because that was the only show in town for DTP and WYSIWYG manual  
making, and the tools then were FrameMaker, PageMaker, or Quark.  
Believe it or not, Apple had 15.5% of the Japanese PC market in 1994,  
which had fallen to 6% by 1999. In the mid-'90s, with the success of  
Windows 95, Apple's failure to deliver a next-generation OS, and  
falling market share, I drew up contingency plans as to what we'd do  
if Apple disappeared. In a nutshell, the plan consisted of switching  
to Windows. Then, in late 1997, NeXT and Steve Jobs executed what I  
believe was a reverse takeover, and I knew then that we'd be getting  
NeXTSTEP or something even better on our Macs. Mac OS X was released  
in 2001. Adobe said it was porting its apps to Mac OS X, so we  
waited. But Adobe never delivered, discontinued Mac FrameMaker, and  
suggested that we switch to Windows. But having used NeXTSTEP and Mac  
OS X, we don't want to switch to Windows just to run FrameMaker  
(cost, training, security, viruses, etc). My contingency plans ended  
up in the dustbin.


As for the Classic environment, this was a transition tool to allow  
developers time to port their apps over to Mac OS X. Most did,  
including Adobe for most of its apps. Anyway, running Classic apps on  
an Intel Mac would require emulation and in my experience that means  
slow. This is a technical obstacle. Producing FrameMaker for Mac OS X  
on an Intel Mac would require a little effort by Adobe. At the  
moment, they don't have the will.


Of course, you have to remember that Apple today is not the Apple we  
used to know. When Steve Jobs returned in 1997, a new Apple was born.  
Pretty much like what happened at Adobe when the co-founders stepped  
aside in 2000 and a new CEO was appointed. Both companies continue  
with the same name, but their DNA, culture, and direction changed big  
time.


I'm passionate about my work and the tools I use to do it, and I want  
the best tools for the job, which is why I use FrameMaker and Mac.  
That's my opinion and others will no doubt disagree, but that's for  
them to decide. I'm not an evangelist and am perfectly happy buying  
computers from a company that sells a couple of million a month.  
Market share is moot. Of course, many members of this list probably  
have no control whatsoever over what hardware or software they use.  
Like all those Nortel employees that now use PTC Arbortext.


Let's not forget that this is not just an OS issue. Apple makes some  
of the best hardware in town, and I want to work with it.


Funny how it's some of the Windows users that are kicking off about  
fellow FrameMaker users and resorting to cliched stereotypes. What  
have they got to complain about? They've still got FrameMaker, and  
version 8.0 just around the corner.


Incidentally, we still use FrameMaker 6.0. There's been nothing  
compelling enough for us to change since. In hindsight, if I'd know  
Adobe would sight lack of Mac sales as a reason for no FrameMaker for  
Mac OS X, I would have bought every upgrade going.


Paul
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Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

[Paul Findon]

On 1 Mar 2007, at 17:12, Paul Findon wrote:

In the early '90s, I made many a manual with Adobe FrameMaker 3.0  
for NeXTSTEP.


Whoops! In all the excitement I should have said Frame Technology  
FrameMaker 3.0 for NeXTSTEP.


I wonder what ever happened to that code?

Paul
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