RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-02 Thread Technical Writer
Many in IT would share your interpretation, and in fact consider themselves contractors. It is a rather loose use of the term; in most fields, working for a temp agency on a hourly basis, under someone else's direction, would be considered temp work, not contracting. "Temp work" is not necessar

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-02 Thread Chris Borokowski
This conversation needs to go to a general technical writing list, aka TCP or TECHWR-L, as someone mentioned. I did not realize until recently this was on framers and not techwr-l, and I'll be un-magnimonious and in part blame the interface to this yahoo mail. To any who I inconvenienced, I apolog

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-01 Thread John Posada
> There are situations in which being a full-time employee is more > advantageous than being a contractor. I don't know that training > would be one of them, because a lot depends on the quality of > training, and how transferrable the skills are. It also depends on > how close a fit the training i

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-01 Thread Technical Writer
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RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-01 Thread Technical Writer
and Production of:Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:57:49 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > Contra

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-01 Thread John Posada
> Contract exclusively, preferably three- to six-month. Contractors > tend to be more fully focused on task completion, and doing the job > right, both of which suit my inclinations perfectly. "Full-time" > work becomes more a social issue, in which the most importance is Allow mw to offer a diffe

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-01 Thread Technical Writer
tion - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:24:48 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Interesting. All of this has helped me with an upcoming article on this> topic. It sounds like yo

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-01 Thread Technical Writer
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:48:05 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com> > A product can have good design, and good programming, and still be> inadequate for users.> > How can that be,

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-01 Thread Pinkham, Jim
Do tell :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:27 AM Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs I spy a Mark Twain quote in your email signature... Are you

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-01 Thread Gordon McLean
Subject: Re: radical revamping of techpubs Amen. On Oct 31, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Peter Gold wrote: > I've been deleting messages on this thread for some time because it's > not relevant to me. ++ There is something fascinating about science. One gets such whol

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-11-01 Thread Gordon McLean
ng at the moment! ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: 31 October 2007 16:48 To: Chris Borokowski Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: radical revamping of techpubs Hi, folks: I've been deleting messag

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-31 Thread Whites
Amen. On Oct 31, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Peter Gold wrote: I've been deleting messages on this thread for some time because it's not relevant to me. ++ There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling inves

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-31 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, folks: I've been deleting messages on this thread for some time because it's not relevant to me. However, you all might find a more engaging community at techcommpros, the new tech writers listserv, that branched off techwr-l some time ago. Here's the contact: To subscribe or unsubscribe vi

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-31 Thread Chris Borokowski
To me it seems obvious that getting TWs involved in the whole of the process is a necessary step, as is (what someone else mentioned) getting TWs to write less-wordy, more immediately-parseable instructions. If agile development allows that, it could be fun and interesting. I'm leery of trends lik

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-31 Thread Gordon McLean
lin Sent: 31 October 2007 00:03 To: Technical Writer; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: radical revamping of techpubs I've followed this thread with interest, even though it has precious little to do with FrameMaker. My perspective differs somewhat from what I've seen so far in the

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
ctober 30, 2007 8:52:21 AM Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs The experience of one person, or even a handful, do not in any way negate an obvious and growing trend in the software industry--directly related to "agile" development--to consider TW involvement as

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Susan Modlin
s a side note, I'm a certified (and very interested) scrum master. ...Susan - Original Message From: Technical Writer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Leslie Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:52:21 AM Subject: RE: radic

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Leslie H Schwartz
the TW is rapidly changing to a diminished involvement. http://www.tekwrytrs.com/ Specializing in the Design, Development, and Production of: Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: R

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Chris Borokowski
A product can have good design, and good programming, and still be inadequate for users. How can that be, you ask? Technically speaking, it may be doing what its creators think it should, and it may be well-created. It may be disorganized, and it may not address the user's needs, and that's where

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Technical Writer
Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:08:58 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com> > As users become more technically savvy, they bec

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Chris Borokowski
This statement makes the most sense when considered in the light of how the technology industry has expanded. We now have many small roles contributing to a project or part of one, but what's missing is people who can glue it all together according to some consistent idea. Making the product work f

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Chris Borokowski
This is a good idea, and I'll try it. I end up attending most because in my little world, seeing the gestures and facial expressions can tell me a lot, but often most of that knowledge shouldn't go in the docs anyway :) --- Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One workable solution is to

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Chris Borokowski
As users become more technically savvy, they become less dependent on vague manuals and more interested in software with a smooth, intuitive, powerful interface and reliable function. See blog post on this issue: http://user-advocacy.blogspot.com/2007/10/users-replacing-specialists-in-it-and.html

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
vement in projects. Like it or not, it is the future. http://www.tekwrytrs.com/ Specializing in the Design, Development, and Production of: Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites ----------------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:46:00 -0700 F

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Chris Borokowski
For any project that size, won't it take some months for it to complete, as it will for the docs to be done, which means that the TW is first going to be assembling information and writing known parts of the doc, and then expanding to write as parts of the software become formalized? --- Technical

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Chris Borokowski
Luckily, that isn't all they do. Many are employed writing policies and procedures and internal business documentation. Any function that requires explaining concepts understood within a certain skill set that is a minority role in a company is a TW role. Personally, I find it hard to separate the

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Chris Borokowski
One role I've found myself in is that of documentation manager, or the person who keeps track of business process, finds what must be organized, and then documents it and finds a sensible hierarchy for those docs, as well as varied delivery methods. It's a fun role. You get to see almost all that

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Technical Writer
ytrs.com/Specializing in the Design, Development, and Production of:Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 200

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Technical Writer
tz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: radical revamping of techpubs That is a very big if. A full partner participant-stakeholder, or more likely the department manager? It is more likely that the software developers, business analysts, and the project manager are collaborating to get a decent set of r

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
One workable solution is to let the TW teleconference into the meeting, regardless of whether the TW is in cubicle or offsite. Then, the TW can keep their end on mute and listen for useful tidbits while making use of the time most effectively. That has worked very well for me at several companie

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Rene Stephenson
irements" as the executives see fit. http://www.tekwrytrs.com/Specializing in the Design, Development, and Production of:Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com> Sub

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Sean Pollock
ramers@lists.frameusers.com> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:29:15 -0400> CC: > Subject: RE: radical revamping > of techpubs> > > That is a very big if. A full partner > participant-stakeholder, or more likely the department manager? It is more > likely that the software developers

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Leslie Schwartz
; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs That is a very big if. A full partner participant-stakeholder, or more likely the department manager? It is more likely that the software developers, business analysts, and the project manager are collaborating to get a

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Technical Writer
: Technical Writer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Leslie Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:44:16 AMSubject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs I agree wholeheartedly. That is not the issue. The issue goes back to the BA interpretation of (and transla

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Chris Borokowski
In my view, you're quite right. It's why I took on this career. By making users more powerful, we make technology evolve, and eliminate some of the techno-angst in the world. --- Kelly McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I consider the technical writer to be the ultimate advocate for the > user

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Kelly McDaniel
@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs Hi, Chris and Ben, I like it too ... I am going to copy people inside our company on this concept. Z Chris Borokowski Chris Borokowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like this idea, a lot. > > Instead of writing instruc

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Syed.Hosain
Hi, Chris and Ben, I like it too ... I am going to copy people inside our company on this concept. Z Chris Borokowski Chris Borokowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like this idea, a lot. > > Instead of writing instructions out in a dry abstraction and passive > voice, explain how the applic

re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Chris Borokowski
I like this idea, a lot. Instead of writing instructions out in a dry abstraction and passive voice, explain how the application should work from a user perspective. What a little gem of an idea. Thanks for posting it. --- Ben Hechter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In fact, Steve McConnell (Code

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Chris Borokowski
You really hit the nail on the head. Meetings are brain-sapping enough when important information is actually being conveyed, but most people who are on the CC: list for meetings are being given a free hourlong zone-out. Keep the poor TWs out of the unnecessary meetings, or they'll become office sh

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Leslie H Schwartz
affect their scheduling and the expectations they have to deal with. - Original Message From: Technical Writer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Leslie Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:44:16 AM Subject: RE: radical revamping of

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-29 Thread Technical Writer
tives see fit. http://www.tekwrytrs.com/Specializing in the Design, Development, and Production of:Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: radical revamping of

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-28 Thread Leslie Schwartz
amers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs Well, a difference of opinion is what makes a horse race. Iterative software methods do not require iterative documentation methods; in most cases, documentation before the last iteration is considered both wasteful and useless. While I have a

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-28 Thread Technical Writer
Well, a difference of opinion is what makes a horse race. Iterative software methods do not require iterative documentation methods; in most cases, documentation before the last iteration is considered both wasteful and useless. While I have a great deal of respect for Steve McConnell, proposin

re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-28 Thread Ben Hechter
Sorry, but I find the thread both: a) Off-topic b) Misleading. Iterative sofware methods require iterative documentation methods, but by no means do they eliminate the parallel need for early draft user manuals. In fact, Steve McConnell (Code Complete) proposes early draft user guides as an agil

First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-22 Thread Bill Swallow
First to market only works until the second one to market arrives, at which point it then the market share leans toward the company who demonstrates best understanding of the market through their product coupled with the best marketing team. On 10/22/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote: > There's something to

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-22 Thread Combs, Richard
Technical Writer wrote: > but otherwise not particularly useful." To believe that a > secondary industry is necessary to assure an acceptable level > of quality in production is impoverished. Quality goods can > be produced by motivated, competent workers without a QA overseer. And later: >

First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-22 Thread Pinkham, Jim
M To: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs) Yes. Because Sony's stategy is based on first mover advantage and the high prices innovators are willing to pay. They are much less interested in the price competion and flood of

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-22 Thread John Hedtke
Yes. I'm a Eudora user for the last 12 years and I tend to eschew HTML mail. At 07:10 AM 10/22/2007, Chris Borokowski wrote: From my experience, HTML-encoded email seems to screw up more than it helps. Stick to good ol 7-bit ASCII. --- John Hedtke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, no, th

Re: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-22 Thread Bill Swallow
First to market only works until the second one to market arrives, at which point it then the market share leans toward the company who demonstrates best understanding of the market through their product coupled with the best marketing team. On 10/22/07, Pinkham, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > T

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-22 Thread Chris Borokowski
>From my experience, HTML-encoded email seems to screw up more than it helps. Stick to good ol 7-bit ASCII. --- John Hedtke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, no, that's not the case, Gillian; Tekwryter's emails > directly to me have been well-formatted. I think this is more an > effect of

RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-22 Thread Pinkham, Jim
; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs) Yes. Because Sony's stategy is based on first mover advantage and the high prices innovators are willing to pay. They are much less interested in the price competion and flood of imitations

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Gutierrez, Dorianne
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical Writer Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs And I know of a CEO who used to either get there first, or let the wannabes struggle over the crum

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Fred Ridder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > Actually, no, that's not the case, Gillian; Tekwryter's emails > directly to me have been well-formatted. I think this is more an > effect of the listserve software doing something unexpected. Actually, it's a product of Microsoft's latest Windows Live e-mail clien

First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
e: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:55:25 -0700> To: tekwrytr at hotmail.com> From: john at hedtke.com> Subject: RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)> > At 03:50 PM 10/19/2007, you wrote:> >Sony made buckets of money on beta. Their strategy is heavily > &

First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
esign, Development, and Production of:Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> Subject: RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:25:54 -0500> From: Jim.Pinkham at voith.com> To: tekwrytr at hotmail.com; john at hedtk

RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
e: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:55:25 -0700> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)> > At 03:50 PM 10/19/2007, you wrote:> >Sony made buckets of money on beta. Their strategy is heavily > >weighted t

RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
esign, Development, and Production of:Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> Subject: RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:25:54 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lis

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
There is a difference between being "first to invent" and "first to successfully produce and/or market." The world is full of brilliant ideas that never go (and never went) anywhere. Xerox is PARC, not Park. What they developed was the concept of GUI, based on user interaction with a computer.

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread John Hedtke
At 04:09 PM 10/19/2007, Technical Writer wrote: That's what makes marketing such a popular major. :) Truly! ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
408.545.6316>7 408.232.5911>* [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>>From: Technical Writer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, >October 19, 2007 10:52 AMTo: Flato, Gillian; >[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: radical revamping of techpubs>The same could be said of pacemakers, missile control

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread John Hedtke
stem. He also might consider getting someone to QA his email posts. -Gillian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical Writer Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: radical r

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Flato, Gillian
]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs Good point.http://www.tekwrytrs.com/Specializing in the Design, Development, and Production of:Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:10:43 -0700> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PRO

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs> > You're making an assumption that the market is driven by quality. It > is not, though that's certainly a factor. The market is driven even > more by good marketing.> > At 10:58 AM 10/19/2007, Technical Write

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
le to avoid work unless micromanaged every moment is obsolete, and indicative of little more than a failure of management.http://www.tekwrytrs.com/Specializing in the Design, Development, and Production of:Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> Subject: RE: radical reva

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
://www.tekwrytrs.com/Specializing in the Design, Development, and Production of:Technical Documentation - Online Content - Enterprise Websites> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:06:06 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: radical revamping of techpubs> CC: [

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
acceptable level of quality in production is impoverished. Quality goods can be produced by motivated, competent workers without a QA overseer. > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:03:01 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: radical revamping of techpubs

First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread Pinkham, Jim
rs at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs) Many, especially in business, would argue the opposite; the first mover advantage is huge. Case in point, the business strategy of Sony. The philosophy of "lifers"--build a widget, establish a broa

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Combs, Richard
Ron Miller wrote: > In my view, the only reason Windows has dominated personal > computing is because Microsoft bullied hardware company into > selling its products. I don't think this popular myth stands up to scrutiny. Microsoft's "bullying" wasn't primarily to get people to *use* Windows,

First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
wrytr at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com> From: john at > hedtke.com> Subject: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)> > > Despite the incredible pressure that people feel to be the first on > the > market with the latest release, I think

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
My inference is that hardware would not have been standardized without Microsoft or some other aggressive, unifying business entity. I've actually had good luck with PCs, but I've been a Mac user since 1984 and an Apple user for four years before that, a UNIX user about the same length of time, an

RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread Pinkham, Jim
ch as the Memory Stick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical Writer Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Ron Miller
Your inference suggests that hardware would have stayed expensive without Microsoft. I don't buy that. In my view, hardware would have dropped regardless because the price of the components dropped over time, completely independent from the PC's relationship to Microsoft. In fact, I would m

First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread Combs, Richard
Technical Writer wrote: > Many, especially in business, would argue the opposite; the > first mover advantage is huge. Case in point, the business > strategy of Sony. Sony is a good company with solid products, but their track record on innovations sucks. They brought us, among others, Beta vi

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread John Hedtke
Au contraire, I think that's a very good way to put it, Chris. John At 11:37 AM 10/19/2007, Chris Borokowski wrote: Another way to say this might, the market is driven by perceived quality of product as a product. Microsoft Windows is not as stable as BSD, but it installs easily and lets the av

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
I'm somewhat thankful they did, as the result was a standardization of hardware that allows $500 to buy a better quality machine than a $1500 Macintosh or $2500 custom UNIX. Sometimes aggression in business can produce very fortunate results for us little people. --- Ron Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
No, I've known that for quite some time. It is built on BSD, hacked with Mach on a ton of libraries, and it's nowhere near as stable as BSD or as logically consistent. My primary reason for avoiding Apple is the company and, I almost forgot, the sanctimonious attitudes of its users ;) --- Neil Tu

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Ron Miller
In my view, the only reason Windows has dominated personal computing is because Microsoft bullied hardware company into selling its products. It told computer manufacturers throughout the 90s when it built its domination to either use only Windows or to have to pay more for each copy if the

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
Most applications hover somewhere between excellent and crap. The ones that generate the mile-long grievances are crap, and the ones that people treasure (and hoard on their thumb drives) for a decade are excellent. --- "Flato, Gillian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have seen enough bug reports

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
Doesn't it depend on what the competition is? --- Technical Writer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And yet people still buy it. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Ya

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
Another way to say this might, the market is driven by perceived quality of product as a product. Microsoft Windows is not as stable as BSD, but it installs easily and lets the average user get up and running quickly while maintaining high backward compatibility. Is that higher quality, or lower qu

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Ron Miller
Bill Gates, first to market? Gates has proven anything by innovative. He's the quintessential, 'let the other guys put it on the market and we'll steal it and market it better.' DOS? He bought the company? Windows? Stole the idea from Apple (who stole it from Xerox Park) Internet Explorer? Ne

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread John Hedtke
408.232.5911 >* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >From: Technical Writer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, >October 19, 2007 10:52 AMTo: Flato, Gillian; >[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: radical revamping of techpubs >The same could be said of pacemakers, missile control systems,

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
; > > >From: Technical Writer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, >October 19, 2007 10:52 AMTo: Flato, Gillian; >[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: radical revamping of techpubs >The same could be said of pacemakers, missile control systems, and a >host of others. That does not change t

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread John Hedtke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:52 AMTo: Flato, Gillian; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: radical revamping of techpubs The same could be said of pacemakers, missile control systems, and a host of others. That does not change the fact that in most software applications, perceptions of

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Bill Swallow
People buy things out of need and want. If the quality sucks, and they need it, what are they going to do? If an insulin pump eats batteries at a 20% higher rate than advertised, the quality sucks, but that doesn't mean that the product isn't needed. It's up to the company to fix the quality flaws

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Bill Swallow
I can't see how quality can possibly be subjective if there's an entire occupation devoted to assuring it. Perhaps TW has only worked in environments where "quality" is merely a buzzword. On 10/19/07, Flato, Gillian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have seen enough bug reports in my time to know tha

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
6316 7 408.232.5911 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Technical Writer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:52 AMTo: Flato, Gillian; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: radical revamping of techpubs The same could be said of pacemakers, missile control systems, and a host of others. That does

RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread Combs, Richard
Technical Writer wrote: > Many, especially in business, would argue the opposite; the > first mover advantage is huge. Case in point, the business > strategy of Sony. Sony is a good company with solid products, but their track record on innovations sucks. They brought us, among others, Beta

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Flato, Gillian
ber 19, 2007 10:52 AM To: Flato, Gillian; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs The same could be said of pacemakers, missile control systems, and a host of others. That does not change the fact that in most softwa

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
illian; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: radical revamping of techpubs And I know of a CEO who used to either get there first, or let the wannabes struggle over the crumbs. Name of Bill Gates. Quality is primarily a subjective opinion; witness the 90+% of the population of the planet using Windows, despi

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Flato, Gillian
Writer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:37 AM To: Flato, Gillian; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs And I know of a CEO who used to either get there first, or let the wannab

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Rene Stephenson
The presumption was made that Microsoft has market share due to time-to-market push by Gates, and that is a gross oversimplification. It has a lot more to do with cut-throat marketing tactics and industrial espionage (end justifies the means to Gates) than it does with simply driving a product f

RE: First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
AIL > PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: > First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)> > Despite the > incredible pressure that people feel to be the first on > the market with the > latest release, I think history shows tha

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Neil Tubb
PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Chris Borokowski Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:50 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs I'm not sure the question here is one of quality as much as different purposes. If you want most stuff to install quickly and work

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
I'm not sure the question here is one of quality as much as different purposes. If you want most stuff to install quickly and work the first time, want flexibility about what hardware you can use, and want compatibility with most people out there, Windows is a clear winner, and most users never se

First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread John Hedtke
Despite the incredible pressure that people feel to be the first on the market with the latest release, I think history shows that it is almost NEVER the first product to market that has long-term success, at least in high-tech. The IBM PC was not the first to market by a number of years. Mic

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Technical Writer
And I know of a CEO who used to either get there first, or let the wannabes struggle over the crumbs. Name of Bill Gates. Quality is primarily a subjective opinion; witness the 90+% of the population of the planet using Windows, despite the occasional Blue Screen of Death, or necessary re-b

First on market (was RE: radical revamping of techpubs)

2007-10-19 Thread John Hedtke
Despite the incredible pressure that people feel to be the first on the market with the latest release, I think history shows that it is almost NEVER the first product to market that has long-term success, at least in high-tech. The IBM PC was not the first to market by a number of years. Mic

RE: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Flato, Gillian
...or similar biggies realize that time-to-market is everything, Time-to-market is not everything if you sacrifice quality. If you're first on the market but your product is crap, the fact that you were first on the market is irrelevant. I know a CEO who got fired because all he cared about i

Re: radical revamping of techpubs

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Borokowski
I agree, and if there's one reason many people think technical writing has a bad name, it's this. The churned-out documentation where the writer is left with so little time and support they create a transcription of the obvious, with little informational content or sense of how they can make the us

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