Creating a Word template...
Richard, On 20/01/2007, at 7:29 AM, Combs, Richard wrote: > > To which I say, Amen! In fact, I can't help but wonder if you or your > supervisor are misinterpreting what's actually required. "Once the > content has been approved it cannot be varied" -- well, changing the > font, leading, left indent, etc., does NOT change the CONTENT. > "Misrepresenting" is a little strong don't you think? Excuse me for not being sufficiently pedantic, but yes, you're right, and wrong too. > What is the deliverable? > > -- A Word doc? (As a .doc, .docx, or .rtf file? On a floppy, CD, DVD, > email attachment, or what?) > > -- A PDF? (Created how? With what job options? Fonts embedded? What > zoom > level and view settings on open? Any security settings?) > > -- A hard copy? (What size paper? Single-sided or double-sided? > Letterhead? Watermark?) > These issues have been dealt with at the final production stage and are not being addressed here. The question relates to the initial stages. The submission of content (i.e. the stuff that is obtained from the great unwashed) from a wide range of sources (i.e. people, the unwashed). The sources are going to submit inclusions as Word documents. It is the desire of the client to reduce the various problems that have arisen in the past when people gone carte blanche with their Word formats (various numbering formats, random heading usage, a wide range of bulleting formats, etc.). [personal comments snipped] > Admittedly, there is some overlap -- the _relative_ level of a heading > shouldn't change because it's relationship to others in the hierarchy > conveys meaning and thus affects content. Yes, that is the point. There is a non-trivial acceptance process for content (i.e. the stuff that is being included in the final document) that may take several years to complete. During that process the content may traverse committees, courts, public submission processes, and be recycled many times before it is signed off. At any stage, for now, any person can add whatever formats they like and once it has been approved by a judge the client is not allowed to change the structure, regardless of whether it fits the rest of the document. That means even the shape of bullets that were used. You see, at this level one has relatively little control over some things. It's not like writing a user manual or typesetting a book. > But to forbid a font change is > indeed crazy. > It is not the changing of fonts that is the issue here. Richard, I think you have missed the point. But thanks anyway. > "It's my opinion and it's very true." > As all opinions are ;) Alan -- Alan T Litchfield, MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte: PO Box 1941, Auckland, New Zealand Publishing systems specialists http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
Creating a Word template...
Scott, On 20/01/2007, at 6:58 AM, quills at airmail.net wrote: > Alan, > > You mean to say that your powers that be don't differentiate > between content and format? > > That is crazy. Format has nothing to do with content. This is a > self-inflicted wound. > The fact of life is most people in this world aren't interested. I am, you are, they're not, and I have no interest in trying to convince them that they should be. > Try to convince them that format can be standardized at publishing. > Content should be held sacrosanct bit could change to reflect the > proper formatting. > I have a contract to complete and need to satisfy the needs of my customer, who in turn gets content in Word files from a wide range of people. Some are computer savvy, most probably aren't and are likely see that it is a mark or personal success and achievement when they can change the shape of their bullet point. To ease everyone's pain it is my and my client's desire to provide a template for these people that uses paragraph styles that are named the same as the ones in the FM template. That way they will not be able to create a whole section or chapter with various abnormal numbering styles... the classic was a, b, c, ... z, and then aa, bb, cc, instead of aa, ab, ac, ... not to mention bulleting styles, heading structures that match nothing else in 1600 other pages. However, since it has all been signed off by a judge there is no way to change it. From what I have seen, most style variations appear to have come from which ever law school they attended. But that is just an assumption. On the other hand, I wonder if there is any point in doing that. I mean, naming paragraph styles and trying to enforce their use. I wonder if it may be better to structure the numbering, bulleting, etc. in Word and ignore, remove all the various other styles that are included. When you get right down to it, I've been able to pare the styles down to about half a dozen distinct formats: headings, numbered lists, itemized lists, figure numbers, tabular content, footnotes. So perhaps I ought to be creating autonumbered, etc. styles in Word to match these. Thanks Scott. You have changed my way of thinking. Perhaps not in the way you intended though :) Alan -- Alan T Litchfield, MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte: PO Box 1941, Auckland, New Zealand Publishing systems specialists http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
Creating a Word template...
...based on an FM file. I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a large document. Most of the content will have passed through various approval committees and courts before finally being added to the document. Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats have been used. Previously the inclusion process has led to a wide range of paragraph (numbering, bulleting, etc.) styles. The decision has now been made to enforce a standardisation of the formats in new content, but most contributors do not use/will never use FM. They will use MS Word however, hence the need to create a template that provides the formats for them. I have exported the FM file using mif2go and created a .dot file in MS Word. However I still need to be rid of the various formats that Word seems to put in there by default. I have worked out how to define the template as a global template, but how can I also remove Normal.dot (this seems to be where the other styles are coming from)? I need to be able to disable the auto numbering functions when people use this template (effectively so they are forced to use the FM heading and paragraph numbering numbering, etc). Any clues on where I can find information on how to do this? Do I need to look at putting VB into the template file in order to control Word's functionality (disabling functions, etc.)? Cheers Alan -- Alan T Litchfield, MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte: PO Box 1941, Auckland, New Zealand Publishing systems specialists http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
Creating a Word template...
Alan Litchfield wrote: > "Misrepresenting" is a little strong don't you think? I didn't say "misrepresenting," Alan, I said "misinterpreting" -- big difference. I certainly intended no insult or accusation. As for the rest, you have my sympathies for the "non-trivial" process, and maybe I'm being dense instead of just my usual pig-headed and obstinate self. But you (or somebody) seem to be insisting on the one hand that nothing -- not even the shape of a bullet -- may change after content approval, while on the other hand dismissing my query about the final output: > > What is the deliverable? > > > > -- A Word doc? (As a .doc, .docx, or .rtf file? On a > floppy, CD, DVD, > > email attachment, or what?) > > > > -- A PDF? (Created how? With what job options? Fonts embedded? What > > zoom level and view settings on open? Any security settings?) > > > > -- A hard copy? (What size paper? Single-sided or double-sided? > > Letterhead? Watermark?) > > > > These issues have been dealt with at the final production > stage and are not being addressed here. But the choice of heading font, bullet shape, margin size, body text leading, and other such formatting and appearance issues should likewise be "dealt with at the final production stage" instead of the content approval stage. The application of styles from a template to standardize the _appearance_ of headings, lists, tables, etc., is no more a content modification than any of the other "production stage" matters. IMHO, of course. ;-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
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Alan Litchfield wrote: > "Misrepresenting" is a little strong don't you think? I didn't say "misrepresenting," Alan, I said "misinterpreting" -- big difference. I certainly intended no insult or accusation. As for the rest, you have my sympathies for the "non-trivial" process, and maybe I'm being dense instead of just my usual pig-headed and obstinate self. But you (or somebody) seem to be insisting on the one hand that nothing -- not even the shape of a bullet -- may change after content approval, while on the other hand dismissing my query about the final output: > > What is the deliverable? > > > > -- A Word doc? (As a .doc, .docx, or .rtf file? On a > floppy, CD, DVD, > > email attachment, or what?) > > > > -- A PDF? (Created how? With what job options? Fonts embedded? What > > zoom level and view settings on open? Any security settings?) > > > > -- A hard copy? (What size paper? Single-sided or double-sided? > > Letterhead? Watermark?) > > > > These issues have been dealt with at the final production > stage and are not being addressed here. But the choice of heading font, bullet shape, margin size, body text leading, and other such formatting and appearance issues should likewise be "dealt with at the final production stage" instead of the content approval stage. The application of styles from a template to standardize the _appearance_ of headings, lists, tables, etc., is no more a content modification than any of the other "production stage" matters. IMHO, of course. ;-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Richard, On 20/01/2007, at 7:29 AM, Combs, Richard wrote: To which I say, Amen! In fact, I can't help but wonder if you or your supervisor are misinterpreting what's actually required. "Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied" -- well, changing the font, leading, left indent, etc., does NOT change the CONTENT. "Misrepresenting" is a little strong don't you think? Excuse me for not being sufficiently pedantic, but yes, you're right, and wrong too. What is the deliverable? -- A Word doc? (As a .doc, .docx, or .rtf file? On a floppy, CD, DVD, email attachment, or what?) -- A PDF? (Created how? With what job options? Fonts embedded? What zoom level and view settings on open? Any security settings?) -- A hard copy? (What size paper? Single-sided or double-sided? Letterhead? Watermark?) These issues have been dealt with at the final production stage and are not being addressed here. The question relates to the initial stages. The submission of content (i.e. the stuff that is obtained from the great unwashed) from a wide range of sources (i.e. people, the unwashed). The sources are going to submit inclusions as Word documents. It is the desire of the client to reduce the various problems that have arisen in the past when people gone carte blanche with their Word formats (various numbering formats, random heading usage, a wide range of bulleting formats, etc.). [personal comments snipped] Admittedly, there is some overlap -- the _relative_ level of a heading shouldn't change because it's relationship to others in the hierarchy conveys meaning and thus affects content. Yes, that is the point. There is a non-trivial acceptance process for content (i.e. the stuff that is being included in the final document) that may take several years to complete. During that process the content may traverse committees, courts, public submission processes, and be recycled many times before it is signed off. At any stage, for now, any person can add whatever formats they like and once it has been approved by a judge the client is not allowed to change the structure, regardless of whether it fits the rest of the document. That means even the shape of bullets that were used. You see, at this level one has relatively little control over some things. It's not like writing a user manual or typesetting a book. But to forbid a font change is indeed crazy. It is not the changing of fonts that is the issue here. Richard, I think you have missed the point. But thanks anyway. "It's my opinion and it's very true." As all opinions are ;) Alan -- Alan T Litchfield, MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte: PO Box 1941, Auckland, New Zealand Publishing systems specialists http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Scott, On 20/01/2007, at 6:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, You mean to say that your powers that be don't differentiate between content and format? That is crazy. Format has nothing to do with content. This is a self-inflicted wound. The fact of life is most people in this world aren't interested. I am, you are, they're not, and I have no interest in trying to convince them that they should be. Try to convince them that format can be standardized at publishing. Content should be held sacrosanct bit could change to reflect the proper formatting. I have a contract to complete and need to satisfy the needs of my customer, who in turn gets content in Word files from a wide range of people. Some are computer savvy, most probably aren't and are likely see that it is a mark or personal success and achievement when they can change the shape of their bullet point. To ease everyone's pain it is my and my client's desire to provide a template for these people that uses paragraph styles that are named the same as the ones in the FM template. That way they will not be able to create a whole section or chapter with various abnormal numbering styles... the classic was a, b, c, ... z, and then aa, bb, cc, instead of aa, ab, ac, ... not to mention bulleting styles, heading structures that match nothing else in 1600 other pages. However, since it has all been signed off by a judge there is no way to change it. From what I have seen, most style variations appear to have come from which ever law school they attended. But that is just an assumption. On the other hand, I wonder if there is any point in doing that. I mean, naming paragraph styles and trying to enforce their use. I wonder if it may be better to structure the numbering, bulleting, etc. in Word and ignore, remove all the various other styles that are included. When you get right down to it, I've been able to pare the styles down to about half a dozen distinct formats: headings, numbered lists, itemized lists, figure numbers, tabular content, footnotes. So perhaps I ought to be creating autonumbered, etc. styles in Word to match these. Thanks Scott. You have changed my way of thinking. Perhaps not in the way you intended though :) Alan -- Alan T Litchfield, MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte: PO Box 1941, Auckland, New Zealand Publishing systems specialists http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Creating a Word template...
Alan, You mean to say that your powers that be don't differentiate between content and format? That is crazy. Format has nothing to do with content. This is a self-inflicted wound. Try to convince them that format can be standardized at publishing. Content should be held sacrosanct bit could change to reflect the proper formatting. Good Luck Scott At 5:11 PM +1300 1/19/07, Alan Litchfield wrote: >...based on an FM file. > >I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a large >document. Most of the content will have passed through various >approval committees and courts before finally being added to the >document. Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied, >regardless of what ever horrible formats have been used. > >Previously the inclusion process has led to a wide range of >paragraph (numbering, bulleting, etc.) styles. The decision has now >been made to enforce a standardisation of the formats in new >content, but most contributors do not use/will never use FM. They >will use MS Word however, hence the need to create a template that >provides the formats for them. > >I have exported the FM file using mif2go and created a .dot file in >MS Word. However I still need to be rid of the various formats that >Word seems to put in there by default. I have worked out how to >define the template as a global template, but how can I also remove >Normal.dot (this seems to be where the other styles are coming from)? > >I need to be able to disable the auto numbering functions when >people use this template (effectively so they are forced to use the >FM heading and paragraph numbering numbering, etc). Any clues on >where I can find information on how to do this? Do I need to look at >putting VB into the template file in order to control Word's >functionality (disabling functions, etc.)? > >Cheers >Alan
Creating a Word template...
Alan Litchfield wrote: > I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a > large document. Most of the content will have passed through > various approval committees and courts before finally being > added to the document. Once the content has been approved it > cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats > have been used. Scott replied: > You mean to say that your powers that be don't differentiate > between content and format? > > That is crazy. Format has nothing to do with content. This is > a self-inflicted wound. To which I say, Amen! In fact, I can't help but wonder if you or your supervisor are misinterpreting what's actually required. "Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied" -- well, changing the font, leading, left indent, etc., does NOT change the CONTENT. What is the deliverable? -- A Word doc? (As a .doc, .docx, or .rtf file? On a floppy, CD, DVD, email attachment, or what?) -- A PDF? (Created how? With what job options? Fonts embedded? What zoom level and view settings on open? Any security settings?) -- A hard copy? (What size paper? Single-sided or double-sided? Letterhead? Watermark?) The content in all of them may be identical, but the framework -- the container, formatting, layout, presentation, or whatever you want to call it -- will be radically different for each. For electronic versions, there will most likely be binary file changes even from just resaving. You simply *have* to differentiate between content and format. Admittedly, there is some overlap -- the _relative_ level of a heading shouldn't change because it's relationship to others in the hierarchy conveys meaning and thus affects content. But to forbid a font change is indeed crazy. "It's my opinion and it's very true." Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
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Alan Litchfield wrote: > I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a > large document. Most of the content will have passed through > various approval committees and courts before finally being > added to the document. Once the content has been approved it > cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats > have been used. Scott replied: > You mean to say that your powers that be don't differentiate > between content and format? > > That is crazy. Format has nothing to do with content. This is > a self-inflicted wound. To which I say, Amen! In fact, I can't help but wonder if you or your supervisor are misinterpreting what's actually required. "Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied" -- well, changing the font, leading, left indent, etc., does NOT change the CONTENT. What is the deliverable? -- A Word doc? (As a .doc, .docx, or .rtf file? On a floppy, CD, DVD, email attachment, or what?) -- A PDF? (Created how? With what job options? Fonts embedded? What zoom level and view settings on open? Any security settings?) -- A hard copy? (What size paper? Single-sided or double-sided? Letterhead? Watermark?) The content in all of them may be identical, but the framework -- the container, formatting, layout, presentation, or whatever you want to call it -- will be radically different for each. For electronic versions, there will most likely be binary file changes even from just resaving. You simply *have* to differentiate between content and format. Admittedly, there is some overlap -- the _relative_ level of a heading shouldn't change because it's relationship to others in the hierarchy conveys meaning and thus affects content. But to forbid a font change is indeed crazy. "It's my opinion and it's very true." Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Creating a Word template...
Alan, You mean to say that your powers that be don't differentiate between content and format? That is crazy. Format has nothing to do with content. This is a self-inflicted wound. Try to convince them that format can be standardized at publishing. Content should be held sacrosanct bit could change to reflect the proper formatting. Good Luck Scott At 5:11 PM +1300 1/19/07, Alan Litchfield wrote: ...based on an FM file. I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a large document. Most of the content will have passed through various approval committees and courts before finally being added to the document. Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats have been used. Previously the inclusion process has led to a wide range of paragraph (numbering, bulleting, etc.) styles. The decision has now been made to enforce a standardisation of the formats in new content, but most contributors do not use/will never use FM. They will use MS Word however, hence the need to create a template that provides the formats for them. I have exported the FM file using mif2go and created a .dot file in MS Word. However I still need to be rid of the various formats that Word seems to put in there by default. I have worked out how to define the template as a global template, but how can I also remove Normal.dot (this seems to be where the other styles are coming from)? I need to be able to disable the auto numbering functions when people use this template (effectively so they are forced to use the FM heading and paragraph numbering numbering, etc). Any clues on where I can find information on how to do this? Do I need to look at putting VB into the template file in order to control Word's functionality (disabling functions, etc.)? Cheers Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Alan: Did you get this sorted out yet? I'd be willing to step you through accomplishing everything you want to, but I think it would be better off-list, as it will get pretty long and boring to others. Bear David Chinell GE Security Technical Editor T 941 739 4281 F 941 308 8124 E david.chinell at ge.com <mailto:david.chinell at ge.com> www.gesecurity.com <http://www.gesecurity.com> 8985 Town Center Parkway Bradenton, FL 34202, USA GE Security Inc. Note: This message is intended only for the designated recipient. It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:11 PM To: Framers List Subject: Creating a Word template... ...based on an FM file. I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a large document. Most of the content will have passed through various approval committees and courts before finally being added to the document. Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats have been used.
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Alan: Did you get this sorted out yet? I'd be willing to step you through accomplishing everything you want to, but I think it would be better off-list, as it will get pretty long and boring to others. Bear David Chinell GE Security Technical Editor T 941 739 4281 F 941 308 8124 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> www.gesecurity.com <http://www.gesecurity.com> 8985 Town Center Parkway Bradenton, FL 34202, USA GE Security Inc. Note: This message is intended only for the designated recipient. It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Litchfield Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:11 PM To: Framers List Subject: Creating a Word template... ...based on an FM file. I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a large document. Most of the content will have passed through various approval committees and courts before finally being added to the document. Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats have been used. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Creating a Word template...
Hi All, I am interested in the answer to this as well. I created a Word template that had all our Frame styles, then restricted the formats only to that set, and protected the document. As in Alan's case, it was still possible to apply a Normal style, but I just decided to live with this and to do a find/change at some point to change it to Body. I gather in Alan's case this will not be possible, so I would also be interested to know whether it is possible to suppress the Normal style. I would also be interested to know if it is possible to handle "character" styles this way as well. Alan, in your Word template, how do people apply bold formatting to a word? What happens when this gets to Frame? How are you handling tables and graphics? My tables in Word got translated to a sort of generic table in Frame, which was easy enough to convert manually to my desired table style, but in terms of automation I imagine that I would need Framescript. As for graphics, when I imported the Word document into my Framemaker template, Frame created it's own graphics. They looked reasonable, but not great. Anyway, I am interested in hearing about anyone else's experience with this. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+paul.inbar=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+paul.inbar=intel@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:11 AM To: Framers List Subject: Creating a Word template... ...based on an FM file. I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a large document. Most of the content will have passed through various approval committees and courts before finally being added to the document. Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats have been used. Previously the inclusion process has led to a wide range of paragraph (numbering, bulleting, etc.) styles. The decision has now been made to enforce a standardisation of the formats in new content, but most contributors do not use/will never use FM. They will use MS Word however, hence the need to create a template that provides the formats for them. I have exported the FM file using mif2go and created a .dot file in MS Word. However I still need to be rid of the various formats that Word seems to put in there by default. I have worked out how to define the template as a global template, but how can I also remove Normal.dot (this seems to be where the other styles are coming from)? I need to be able to disable the auto numbering functions when people use this template (effectively so they are forced to use the FM heading and paragraph numbering numbering, etc). Any clues on where I can find information on how to do this? Do I need to look at putting VB into the template file in order to control Word's functionality (disabling functions, etc.)? Cheers Alan -- Alan T Litchfield, MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte: PO Box 1941, Auckland, New Zealand Publishing systems specialists http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as paul.inbar at intel.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/paul.inbar%40intel.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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G'Day mate. Or do they say that only in Australia? The Word-generated Normal.dot usually resides either in your user profile or in the MS app tree. You can easily see where it is by selecting Tools > Options to display the options window, and then selecting the File Locations tab. In that tab, you can change the location where you want Word to look for and save templates. To remove normal.dot from your file, select Tools > Templates and Add Ins. In the dialog box that is displayed, click Attach and then select your own template from the list that is displayed. Note that Word will look in the directory you have set in the File Locations tab, so follow the instructions above first. To delete styles that you don't want, select Format > Styles to open the task pane on the right side of the window. At the bottom of the task pane, select Available Styles. Now select each style that you don't want and delete it. This is similar to what you do in FM, of course. Note that Word will not let you delete any of its default styles. I don't think you can turn off autonumbering in Word. At least I don't know of a way to do it. But you can go to the Word MVP (Most Valuable Professional) site and check. http://word.mvps.org/ Incidentally, to add something to my message about fixing corrupted files that I sent yesterday, here are some great tips from a few real Word gurus. http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm Alan, this page includes a section called "How can I fix a corrupt template?" There are some good answers in that section. Hope this helps. Diane (Lurned Wurd purty gud but like Frame lots better) === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Litchfield Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:11 PM To: Framers List Subject: Creating a Word template... ...based on an FM file. I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a large document. Most of the content will have passed through various approval committees and courts before finally being added to the document. Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats have been used. Previously the inclusion process has led to a wide range of paragraph (numbering, bulleting, etc.) styles. The decision has now been made to enforce a standardisation of the formats in new content, but most contributors do not use/will never use FM. They will use MS Word however, hence the need to create a template that provides the formats for them. I have exported the FM file using mif2go and created a .dot file in MS Word. However I still need to be rid of the various formats that Word seems to put in there by default. I have worked out how to define the template as a global template, but how can I also remove Normal.dot (this seems to be where the other styles are coming from)? I need to be able to disable the auto numbering functions when people use this template (effectively so they are forced to use the FM heading and paragraph numbering numbering, etc). Any clues on where I can find information on how to do this? Do I need to look at putting VB into the template file in order to control Word's functionality (disabling functions, etc.)? Cheers Alan -- Alan T Litchfield, MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte: PO Box 1941, Auckland, New Zealand Publishing systems specialists http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Answers: RE: Creating a Word template...
G'Day mate. Or do they say that only in Australia? The Word-generated Normal.dot usually resides either in your user profile or in the MS app tree. You can easily see where it is by selecting Tools > Options to display the options window, and then selecting the File Locations tab. In that tab, you can change the location where you want Word to look for and save templates. To remove normal.dot from your file, select Tools > Templates and Add Ins. In the dialog box that is displayed, click Attach and then select your own template from the list that is displayed. Note that Word will look in the directory you have set in the File Locations tab, so follow the instructions above first. To delete styles that you don't want, select Format > Styles to open the task pane on the right side of the window. At the bottom of the task pane, select Available Styles. Now select each style that you don't want and delete it. This is similar to what you do in FM, of course. Note that Word will not let you delete any of its default styles. I don't think you can turn off autonumbering in Word. At least I don't know of a way to do it. But you can go to the Word MVP (Most Valuable Professional) site and check. http://word.mvps.org/ Incidentally, to add something to my message about fixing corrupted files that I sent yesterday, here are some great tips from a few real Word gurus. http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm Alan, this page includes a section called "How can I fix a corrupt template?" There are some good answers in that section. Hope this helps. Diane (Lurned Wurd purty gud but like Frame lots better) === -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:11 PM To: Framers List Subject: Creating a Word template... ...based on an FM file. I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a large document. Most of the content will have passed through various approval committees and courts before finally being added to the document. Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats have been used. Previously the inclusion process has led to a wide range of paragraph (numbering, bulleting, etc.) styles. The decision has now been made to enforce a standardisation of the formats in new content, but most contributors do not use/will never use FM. They will use MS Word however, hence the need to create a template that provides the formats for them. I have exported the FM file using mif2go and created a .dot file in MS Word. However I still need to be rid of the various formats that Word seems to put in there by default. I have worked out how to define the template as a global template, but how can I also remove Normal.dot (this seems to be where the other styles are coming from)? I need to be able to disable the auto numbering functions when people use this template (effectively so they are forced to use the FM heading and paragraph numbering numbering, etc). Any clues on where I can find information on how to do this? Do I need to look at putting VB into the template file in order to control Word's functionality (disabling functions, etc.)? Cheers Alan -- Alan T Litchfield, MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte: PO Box 1941, Auckland, New Zealand Publishing systems specialists http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcaller at earthlink.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Creating a Word template...
Hi All, I am interested in the answer to this as well. I created a Word template that had all our Frame styles, then restricted the formats only to that set, and protected the document. As in Alan's case, it was still possible to apply a Normal style, but I just decided to live with this and to do a find/change at some point to change it to Body. I gather in Alan's case this will not be possible, so I would also be interested to know whether it is possible to suppress the Normal style. I would also be interested to know if it is possible to handle "character" styles this way as well. Alan, in your Word template, how do people apply bold formatting to a word? What happens when this gets to Frame? How are you handling tables and graphics? My tables in Word got translated to a sort of generic table in Frame, which was easy enough to convert manually to my desired table style, but in terms of automation I imagine that I would need Framescript. As for graphics, when I imported the Word document into my Framemaker template, Frame created it's own graphics. They looked reasonable, but not great. Anyway, I am interested in hearing about anyone else's experience with this. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:11 AM To: Framers List Subject: Creating a Word template... ...based on an FM file. I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a large document. Most of the content will have passed through various approval committees and courts before finally being added to the document. Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats have been used. Previously the inclusion process has led to a wide range of paragraph (numbering, bulleting, etc.) styles. The decision has now been made to enforce a standardisation of the formats in new content, but most contributors do not use/will never use FM. They will use MS Word however, hence the need to create a template that provides the formats for them. I have exported the FM file using mif2go and created a .dot file in MS Word. However I still need to be rid of the various formats that Word seems to put in there by default. I have worked out how to define the template as a global template, but how can I also remove Normal.dot (this seems to be where the other styles are coming from)? I need to be able to disable the auto numbering functions when people use this template (effectively so they are forced to use the FM heading and paragraph numbering numbering, etc). Any clues on where I can find information on how to do this? Do I need to look at putting VB into the template file in order to control Word's functionality (disabling functions, etc.)? Cheers Alan -- Alan T Litchfield, MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte: PO Box 1941, Auckland, New Zealand Publishing systems specialists http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/paul.inbar%40intel.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Creating a Word template...
...based on an FM file. I need to create a Word template for use by contributors to a large document. Most of the content will have passed through various approval committees and courts before finally being added to the document. Once the content has been approved it cannot be varied, regardless of what ever horrible formats have been used. Previously the inclusion process has led to a wide range of paragraph (numbering, bulleting, etc.) styles. The decision has now been made to enforce a standardisation of the formats in new content, but most contributors do not use/will never use FM. They will use MS Word however, hence the need to create a template that provides the formats for them. I have exported the FM file using mif2go and created a .dot file in MS Word. However I still need to be rid of the various formats that Word seems to put in there by default. I have worked out how to define the template as a global template, but how can I also remove Normal.dot (this seems to be where the other styles are coming from)? I need to be able to disable the auto numbering functions when people use this template (effectively so they are forced to use the FM heading and paragraph numbering numbering, etc). Any clues on where I can find information on how to do this? Do I need to look at putting VB into the template file in order to control Word's functionality (disabling functions, etc.)? Cheers Alan -- Alan T Litchfield, MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte: PO Box 1941, Auckland, New Zealand Publishing systems specialists http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
