Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0

2009-05-11 Thread Erik Rose
One way to mitigate this — and make Plone seem a bit more modern along the way — could be to apply the new typography/theme that I'm currently applying to trunk. This is essentially the typography from the plone.org redesign along with a color-neutral design for the navigation and other UI

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0

2009-05-11 Thread Ricardo Alves
Alexander Limi wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2009 15:56:36 -0700, Ricardo Alves wrote: Steve McMahon wrote: My only concern about calling Hanno's incremental change list 4.0 is that we don't suffer from big-number expectation syndrome. This is the biggest risk I guess, a major release with just a

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0

2009-05-10 Thread Raphael Ritz
Alexander Limi wrote: On Sat, 09 May 2009 05:09:07 -0700, Martin Aspeli [..] We'd also need to find a way to not break all existing themes. It will "break" (ie. slightly change) themes that reuse parts of the original Plone CSS as part of their theme. Luckily, the fix is easy: make a

[Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0

2009-05-09 Thread Alexander Limi
On Sat, 09 May 2009 05:09:07 -0700, Martin Aspeli wrote: I'd support this, *if* it follows the usual PLIP process and we actively encourage outside review from the get-go. That process may mean the theme change gets a thumbs-down. Of course. We'd also need to find a way to not break al

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0

2009-05-09 Thread Francesco Ciriaci
There was already quite a lot of work done in this precise direction during the Plone Conference 2007 Theme sprint. http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone3-example-themes/capri-theme accessibility and more stuff where considered, also. I don't particulary like the final (uncomplete) design o

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0

2009-05-09 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Can we please stop the cc-o-rama? Seeing the entire thread tree times is a bit much.. Previously Martin Aspeli wrote: > I'd support this, *if* it follows the usual PLIP process and we actively > encourage outside review from the get-go. That process may mean the > theme change gets a thumbs-down

[Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0

2009-05-09 Thread Laurence Rowe
Martin Aspeli wrote: Alexander Limi wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2009 15:56:36 -0700, Ricardo Alves wrote: Steve McMahon wrote: My only concern about calling Hanno's incremental change list 4.0 is that we don't suffer from big-number expectation syndrome. This is the biggest risk I guess, a major

[Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0

2009-05-09 Thread Martin Aspeli
Alexander Limi wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2009 15:56:36 -0700, Ricardo Alves wrote: Steve McMahon wrote: My only concern about calling Hanno's incremental change list 4.0 is that we don't suffer from big-number expectation syndrome. This is the biggest risk I guess, a major release with just a m

[Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0

2009-05-09 Thread Alexander Limi
On Tue, 05 May 2009 15:56:36 -0700, Ricardo Alves wrote: Steve McMahon wrote: My only concern about calling Hanno's incremental change list 4.0 is that we don't suffer from big-number expectation syndrome. This is the biggest risk I guess, a major release with just a minor set of visible

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0, was Re: Plone 3.5

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Lazar
On 05.05.2009, at 23:44, Steve McMahon wrote: So, a couple of questions for us all: 1) If we call it Plone 4.0, can we restrict ourselves to a modest list of improvements that will actually get coded this summer and tested this fall? that should be the litmus test for any feature IMHO, simple

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0, was Re: Plone 3.5

2009-05-05 Thread Ricardo Alves
Steve McMahon wrote: My only concern about calling Hanno's incremental change list 4.0 is that we don't suffer from big-number expectation syndrome. This is the biggest risk I guess, a major release with just a minor set of visible (UI) improvements, will bring bad publicity. If we start t

[Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0, was Re: Plone 3.5

2009-05-05 Thread Steve McMahon
My only concern about calling Hanno's incremental change list 4.0 is that we don't suffer from big-number expectation syndrome. If we start thinking that 4.0 "has to be big enough" to justify the numbering jump, and start expanding too much on the "yes" list, we won't get this out in 2009. And, it