Re: [Frameworks] Please help

[marcos]

Looks like a great deal... ;-)

 Hello Frameworkers:

 Kennth Anger here. I recently took an extended trip to the Astral Plane to
 visit my dear friend Aleistair, but on my attempt to return to my
 corporeal body, I discovered that someone had stolen my macick sceptre and
 the bottle of Black Host needed for my ceremonial reawakening. I need your
 help to return to Earth. This is more than a matter of seeking your
 Luciferian grace on my personal account. I appeal to you in the name of
 The Cinema. I have been truly inspired on my latest astral travels, and I
 feel that a flood of new masterworks shall flow from my Steenbeck. Yes,
 that's right, they will all be made with the true magick of film, not that
 digital hocus pocus. And I'm talking about genuinely inspired pieces, not
 just documentation footage of exhibitions passed of as 'Films by Anger.' I
 realize some of you may be suspicious, but do note that am NOT in Nigeria,
 and i would never pull any kind of sham, scam or masquerade on my true
 devotees. So, send as much cash as you can in brown envelopes (no checks,
 credit cards, or PayPal) to this address:

 David Tetzlaff
 7 Sycamore Road
 Niantic, CT 06357

 Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. And know that I'll put in a good word for
 you with You Know Who.

 Love,

 KA

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[brett garten]

Hi David / Kenneth,

Saw your ad on frameworks. I would be willing to send some money  
through, but would it be possible to get a signed photo or something  
from Ken in return? Even better, would it be possible to ask Kenneth a  
few questions?

I am a scholar at the University of Sydney, Australia and I am  
researching the history and influence of the occult in and on  
Hollywood. If Kenneth would be interested in answering some questions  
regarding Jack Parsons, L. Ron Hubbard, Charles Manson and Forry  
Ackerman, I would be happy to renumerate him for his time.

Let me know what you think.

thanks.

Regards,
Brett

Brett Garten
62 Cowper St
Glebe NSW 2037
Australia
0433 436 787

On 25/07/2012, at 9:26 AM, David Tetzlaff wrote:

 Hello Frameworkers:

 Kennth Anger here. I recently took an extended trip to the Astral  
 Plane to visit my dear friend Aleistair, but on my attempt to return  
 to my corporeal body, I discovered that someone had stolen my macick  
 sceptre and the bottle of Black Host needed for my ceremonial  
 reawakening. I need your help to return to Earth. This is more than  
 a matter of seeking your Luciferian grace on my personal account. I  
 appeal to you in the name of The Cinema. I have been truly inspired  
 on my latest astral travels, and I feel that a flood of new  
 masterworks shall flow from my Steenbeck. Yes, that's right, they  
 will all be made with the true magick of film, not that digital  
 hocus pocus. And I'm talking about genuinely inspired pieces, not  
 just documentation footage of exhibitions passed of as 'Films by  
 Anger.' I realize some of you may be suspicious, but do note that am  
 NOT in Nigeria, and i would never pull any kind of sham, scam or  
 masquerade on my true devotees. So, send as much cash as you can in  
 brown envelopes (no checks, credit cards, or PayPal) to this address:

 David Tetzlaff
 7 Sycamore Road
 Niantic, CT 06357

 Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. And know that I'll put in a good  
 word for you with You Know Who.

 Love,

 KA

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[David Tetzlaff]

Dearest Brett:

I can't sign anything right now, as my spirit is completely disengaged from 
corporeal body. I would be happy to sign something on my return, but alas, 
unless my minions collect enough money to construct the proper Orgone generator 
and fire it into my brain my return is hardly a sure thing, and I would NEVER 
want to make a promise I cannot keep.

As for questions... What is life without them? I deplore the profane world of 
the merely commercial, but to use the word merely as metaphor, as a magickian I 
am in the question business, not the answer business. You'll probably ask me 
something like, 'didn't I think it was a little over the line to use a score 
created by a convicted murderer and Manson family member for Lucifer Rising' 
and I'll juts say it's beautiful music and I'm not in the thinking business, or 
one to make moral judgements of art, or something like that. 

So, as far as your research goes, just make up whatever you want, whatever you 
think I'd say, and it will probably be a better answer that what I would say 
anyway.

Australia is awfully far away, and I don't know if your money works in America. 
So instead of sending cash, maybe you could just send a bottle of cologne? Just 
make sure it's in a brown wrapper, no return address, no fingerprints, etc.

g'day!

KA 



 Hi David / Kenneth,
 
 Saw your ad on frameworks. I would be willing to send some money  
 through, but would it be possible to get a signed photo or something  
 from Ken in return? Even better, would it be possible to ask Kenneth a  
 few questions?
 
 I am a scholar at the University of Sydney, Australia and I am  
 researching the history and influence of the occult in and on  
 Hollywood. If Kenneth would be interested in answering some questions  
 regarding Jack Parsons, L. Ron Hubbard, Charles Manson and Forry  
 Ackerman, I would be happy to renumerate him for his time.
 
 Let me know what you think.
 
 thanks.
 
 Regards,
 Brett
 
 Brett Garten
 62 Cowper St
 Glebe NSW 2037
 Australia
 0433 436 787

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[Gawthrop, Rob]

You may be able to access things through cloudbusting:
http://www.churchofpureart.tk/

Rob


On 25/07/2012 14:38, David Tetzlaff djte...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dearest Brett:

I can't sign anything right now, as my spirit is completely
 disengaged from corporeal body. I would be happy to sign something on my
 return, but alas, unless my minions collect enough money to construct the
 proper Orgone generator and fire it into my brain my return is hardly a sure
 thing, and I would NEVER want to make a promise I cannot keep.

As for
 questions... What is life without them? I deplore the profane world of the
 merely commercial, but to use the word merely as metaphor, as a magickian I am
 in the question business, not the answer business. You'll probably ask me
 something like, 'didn't I think it was a little over the line to use a score
 created by a convicted murderer and Manson family member for Lucifer Rising'
 and I'll juts say it's beautiful music and I'm not in the thinking business,
 or one to make moral judgements of art, or something like that. 

So, as far
 as your research goes, just make up whatever you want, whatever you think I'd
 say, and it will probably be a better answer that what I would say
 anyway.

Australia is awfully far away, and I don't know if your money works
 in America. So instead of sending cash, maybe you could just send a bottle of
 cologne? Just make sure it's in a brown wrapper, no return address, no
 fingerprints, etc.

g'day!

KA 



 Hi David / Kenneth,
 
 Saw your ad on
 frameworks. I would be willing to send some money  
 through, but would it be
 possible to get a signed photo or something  
 from Ken in return? Even
 better, would it be possible to ask Kenneth a  
 few questions?
 
 I am a
 scholar at the University of Sydney, Australia and I am  
 researching the
 history and influence of the occult in and on  
 Hollywood. If Kenneth would
 be interested in answering some questions  
 regarding Jack Parsons, L. Ron
 Hubbard, Charles Manson and Forry  
 Ackerman, I would be happy to renumerate
 him for his time.
 
 Let me know what you think.
 
 thanks.
 

 Regards,
 Brett
 
 Brett Garten
 62 Cowper St
 Glebe NSW 2037

 Australia
 0433 436
 787

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[David Tetzlaff]

Ara:

Crack? I got on better with Marianne, Mick, Jimmy and all the rest when we on 
'shrooms. While, I cannot say anything but do what thou willst you still may 
want to watch out for the rocks.

your friend,

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[Fred Smith]

Talk about a ghost in the machine!!!


- Original Message - 
From: David Tetzlaff djte...@gmail.com
To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:26 PM
Subject: [Frameworks] Please help


 Hello Frameworkers:

 Kennth Anger here. I recently took an extended trip to the Astral Plane to 
 visit my dear friend Aleistair, but on my attempt to return to my 
 corporeal body, I discovered that someone had stolen my macick sceptre and 
 the bottle of Black Host needed for my ceremonial reawakening. I need your 
 help to return to Earth. This is more than a matter of seeking your 
 Luciferian grace on my personal account. I appeal to you in the name of 
 The Cinema. I have been truly inspired on my latest astral travels, and I 
 feel that a flood of new masterworks shall flow from my Steenbeck. Yes, 
 that's right, they will all be made with the true magick of film, not that 
 digital hocus pocus. And I'm talking about genuinely inspired pieces, not 
 just documentation footage of exhibitions passed of as 'Films by Anger.' I 
 realize some of you may be suspicious, but do note that am NOT in Nigeria, 
 and i would never pull any kind of sham, scam or masquerade on my true 
 devotees. So, send as much cash as you can in brown envelopes (no checks, 
 credit cards, or PayPal) to this address:

 David Tetzlaff
 7 Sycamore Road
 Niantic, CT 06357

 Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. And know that I'll put in a good word for 
 you with You Know Who.

 Love,

 KA

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[Fred Camper]

David,

Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I really dislike hoaxes that attempt
humor on lists such as FrameWorks. First of all, some almost always take
them seriously, as has apparently already happened at least once. Second,
life is too short for such creativity. I trust I'm not the only one
among the many hundreds on this list who do not appreciate seeing all
these meaningless emails. Finally, this particular hoax seems to me to be
insulting to the work of a genuinely great filmmaker. Hell, you even
misspelled Crowley's first name.

Fred Camper
Chicago

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[Adam Hyman]

I just saw it as a joke all along, not a hoax, because it is so obviously
fake.
Can't speak for folks who see it as real.

A


On 7/25/12 10:15 AM, Fred Camper f...@fredcamper.com wrote:

 David,

Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I really dislike hoaxes that
 attempt
humor on lists such as FrameWorks. First of all, some almost always
 take
them seriously, as has apparently already happened at least once.
 Second,
life is too short for such creativity. I trust I'm not the only
 one
among the many hundreds on this list who do not appreciate seeing
 all
these meaningless emails. Finally, this particular hoax seems to me to
 be
insulting to the work of a genuinely great filmmaker. Hell, you
 even
misspelled Crowley's first name.

Fred
 Camper
Chicago

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[Tim Halloran]

Yawn. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Alex alex.mccar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fred, thank you for pointing out that this is a hoax. I have a rare vitamin 
 deficiency that affects some of my cognitive functions and my ability to 
 process visual information called Iron-y Blindness and you can only imagine 
 how difficult it is to be a fan of experimental films and indeed engage in 
 intellectual conversation in general without being able to get jokes.
 
 So rare and made up is my illness that there are no foundations currently 
 funding research for a cure and I've had to start my own. So far no one has 
 been taking me seriously (which I find offensive because I am forced by 
 nature to always be serious) and I am left alone in this world constantly 
 writing out checks to bring Ken Anger back to corporeality.
 
 I'm glad to find someone willing to stand up for people like me and I was 
 wondering if you would interested in sending me a large sum of money so that 
 I may develop a sense of humor and stop falling victim to these schoolyard 
 bullies on the internet.
 
 Always,
 Alexander
 
 On Jul 25, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Fred Camper f...@fredcamper.com wrote:
 
 David,
 
 Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I really dislike hoaxes that attempt
 humor on lists such as FrameWorks. First of all, some almost always take
 them seriously, as has apparently already happened at least once. Second,
 life is too short for such creativity. I trust I'm not the only one
 among the many hundreds on this list who do not appreciate seeing all
 these meaningless emails. Finally, this particular hoax seems to me to be
 insulting to the work of a genuinely great filmmaker. Hell, you even
 misspelled Crowley's first name.
 
 Fred Camper
 Chicago
 
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[Simonetta Menossi]

I find these useless chain of emails disrespectful to the Framework
community. Please, refrain from sending out such annoying messages.

Thanks!

Peace.
Simonetta

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Tim Halloran televis...@hotmail.comwrote:

 Yawn.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Alex alex.mccar...@gmail.com wrote:

  Fred, thank you for pointing out that this is a hoax. I have a rare
 vitamin deficiency that affects some of my cognitive functions and my
 ability to process visual information called Iron-y Blindness and you can
 only imagine how difficult it is to be a fan of experimental films and
 indeed engage in intellectual conversation in general without being able to
 get jokes.
 
  So rare and made up is my illness that there are no foundations
 currently funding research for a cure and I've had to start my own. So far
 no one has been taking me seriously (which I find offensive because I am
 forced by nature to always be serious) and I am left alone in this world
 constantly writing out checks to bring Ken Anger back to corporeality.
 
  I'm glad to find someone willing to stand up for people like me and I
 was wondering if you would interested in sending me a large sum of money so
 that I may develop a sense of humor and stop falling victim to these
 schoolyard bullies on the internet.
 
  Always,
  Alexander
 
  On Jul 25, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Fred Camper f...@fredcamper.com wrote:
 
  David,
 
  Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I really dislike hoaxes that
 attempt
  humor on lists such as FrameWorks. First of all, some almost always take
  them seriously, as has apparently already happened at least once.
 Second,
  life is too short for such creativity. I trust I'm not the only one
  among the many hundreds on this list who do not appreciate seeing all
  these meaningless emails. Finally, this particular hoax seems to me to
 be
  insulting to the work of a genuinely great filmmaker. Hell, you even
  misspelled Crowley's first name.
 
  Fred Camper
  Chicago
 
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[David Tetzlaff]

Dear Fred;

There's no sin in being in the minority, or the majority if that's the case, 
because there's no sin. Yes, life is too short for this sort of 'creativity' or 
any other. The joy of meaninglessness is in the eye of the beholder, and I am 
happy to discover that some seem no utility at all in my posts, for I wish them 
to remain free of such drudgery. As for Allie's name, well some fine magickian 
he'd be if the spelling could be pinned down and stuck in some prison of the 
alphabet. He spells it as he chooses, but it's always pronounced Cro-lee, like 
the bird he's flipping you all beneath his cape. And you need not worry about 
insults to my genuine greatness, for I am well aware of my own stature, and 
quite immune to any and all attacks on it, even those I make myself. In fact, I 
rather enjoy being on the receiving end of a little smack now and then, as it 
adds a touch of vitality to my old corpus. You have nothing to be Angered about 
but Anger himself.

your better,

Kenny
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[Zachary Furste]

I find this thread hilariously entertaining and (in a sneaky kind of way,) 
enriching!

Zach Furste, young non-Frameworker

On 25 juil. 2012, at 15:20, David Tetzlaff djte...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Fred;
 
 There's no sin in being in the minority, or the majority if that's the case, 
 because there's no sin. Yes, life is too short for this sort of 'creativity' 
 or any other. The joy of meaninglessness is in the eye of the beholder, and I 
 am happy to discover that some seem no utility at all in my posts, for I wish 
 them to remain free of such drudgery. As for Allie's name, well some fine 
 magickian he'd be if the spelling could be pinned down and stuck in some 
 prison of the alphabet. He spells it as he chooses, but it's always 
 pronounced Cro-lee, like the bird he's flipping you all beneath his cape. And 
 you need not worry about insults to my genuine greatness, for I am well aware 
 of my own stature, and quite immune to any and all attacks on it, even those 
 I make myself. In fact, I rather enjoy being on the receiving end of a little 
 smack now and then, as it adds a touch of vitality to my old corpus. You have 
 nothing to be Angered about but Anger himself.
 
 your better,
 
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[Watter, Seth]

This is a hoax? Sugar. I just emptied my savings account under the
impression it would help fund the sequel to Lucifer Rising.

Seth

On Tuesday, July 24, 2012, David Tetzlaff wrote:

 Hello Frameworkers:

 Kennth Anger here. I recently took an extended trip to the Astral Plane to
 visit my dear friend Aleistair, but on my attempt to return to my corporeal
 body, I discovered that someone had stolen my macick sceptre and the bottle
 of Black Host needed for my ceremonial reawakening. I need your help to
 return to Earth. This is more than a matter of seeking your Luciferian
 grace on my personal account. I appeal to you in the name of The Cinema. I
 have been truly inspired on my latest astral travels, and I feel that a
 flood of new masterworks shall flow from my Steenbeck. Yes, that's right,
 they will all be made with the true magick of film, not that digital hocus
 pocus. And I'm talking about genuinely inspired pieces, not just
 documentation footage of exhibitions passed of as 'Films by Anger.' I
 realize some of you may be suspicious, but do note that am NOT in Nigeria,
 and i would never pull any kind of sham, scam or masquerade on my true
 devotees. So, send as much cash as you can in brown envelopes (no checks,
 credit cards, or PayPal) to this address:

 David Tetzlaff
 7 Sycamore Road
 Niantic, CT 06357

 Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. And know that I'll put in a good word for
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[Frameworks] Projector supplies?

[Mariah Garnett]

Anyone know where I can pick up some of these? Plastic 16mm spools? Not cores 
or daylight spools? Tried Christie's and walts camer repair in la... Ideas?
Thanks!

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[n brynolfson]

This place looks like they might have what you need. Too bad I'm at
CalArts, I'm pretty sure I have an extra projector for parts back
east. Let me know when you want to come up here and grab the lenses.

n

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[Ed Inman]

Try Urbanski Film:
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[elizabeth mcmahon]

Adam,
 
You're obviously not aware of actual scams that seek to convince people that 
someone close to them is suddenly in serious economic straits, almost always 
while they are abroad and now stranded.
 
They are too numerous to list here; a simple search will provide a multiplicity 
of the variations on the theme. So, yes, I think your humor in the form of 
the sudden necessity of monetary assistance due to 
unforeseen circumstances indeed qualifies as one that could be believed by the 
more naive amongst us to be legitimate, and therefore, a hoax.
 
http://netprofitstoday.com/blog/email-scam-urgent-request-from-a-friend/
 
http://www.emailscammers.com/I-need-your-help.html
 
http://www.snopes.com/fraud/distress/family.asp
 
 
If you want to send humorous emails, to your own friends, be my guest by all 
means, but it is highly disrespectful to hijack what is considered as a 
professional forum for your own shits and giggles. It is things like this that 
make people want to unsubscribe, which I can't imagine is a result you'd want. 
So, like I first suggested, please start your own experimental humor hoax 
listserv, and leave Frameworks to those interested in following 
and participating on it for its intended use.

Thanks,

Elizabeth



 From: Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org
To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Please help
  

Re: [Frameworks] Please help 
What?  A community includes humor; that is one of the things that makes it a 
community.  True, irony  sarcasm are often lost in email  on websites, and 
maybe you are being ironic or sarcastic in your reply (and the previous person 
with a similar note), but I strongly feel that it is OK to have one thread 
with some humor that goes on for a couple of days!  So, Elizabeth, Simonetta, 
and Fred, I personally disagree with you on this one.

And I think that this is in no way a hoax, since the original post wasn’t 
trying to “pull over” anything on anyone.  It was obviously a joke.
In a day or two this thread too will pass, and we can return to an email group 
consisting of nothing but deathly earnestness and seriousness.  

(And for a bit of insight as to why the original wasn’t a hoax – Kenneth Anger 
is still alive in corporeal form in Los Angeles.  And of course, the signature 
at the end for money was to David.   A parody of notes that all of you have 
seen.)

My two cents and best regards to all,

Adam

On 7/25/12 1:53 PM, elizabeth mcmahon elizmcma...@yahoo.com wrote:


I'm with Fred. Please cease and desist on Frameworks and if you must, set up 
your own experimental hoax humor listserv. 
 
Thanks,
Elizabeth


  From: Tim Halloran televis...@hotmail.com
 To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
Cc: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Please help
 
 
Yawn. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Alex alex.mccar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fred, thank you for pointing out that this is a hoax. I have a rare 
 vitamin deficiency that affects some of my cognitive functions and my 
 ability to process visual information called Iron-y Blindness and you can 
 only imagine how difficult it is to be a fan of experimental films and 
 indeed engage in intellectual conversation in general without being able 
 to get jokes.
 
 So rare and made up is my illness that there are no foundations currently 
 funding research for a cure and I've had to start my own. So far no one 
 has been taking me seriously (which I find offensive because I am forced 
 by nature to always be serious) and I am left alone in this world 
 constantly writing out checks to bring Ken Anger back to corporeality.
 
 I'm glad to find someone willing to stand up for people like me and I was 
 wondering if you would interested in sending me a large sum of money so 
 that I may develop a sense of humor and stop falling victim to these 
 schoolyard bullies on the internet.
 
 Always,
 Alexander
 
 On Jul 25, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Fred Camper f...@fredcamper.com wrote:
 
 David,
 
 Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I really dislike hoaxes that attempt
 humor on lists such as FrameWorks. First of all, some almost always take
 them seriously, as has apparently already happened at least once. Second,
 life is too short for such creativity. I trust I'm not the only one
 among the many hundreds on this list who do not appreciate seeing all
 these meaningless emails. Finally, this particular hoax seems to me to be
 insulting to the work of a genuinely great filmmaker. Hell, you even
 misspelled Crowley's first name.
 
 Fred Camper
 Chicago
  
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Re: [Frameworks] Please help

[flick harrison]

I am interested in starting a humorous experimental film listserv, but I need a 
few bucks.

Can anyone donate to this worthwhile project, which has been set back a ways by 
my being stranded in Ireland with my wallet stolen?

;-)

You would think that by this point, anyone asking for money by email is a 
hacking scammer, whether its your mother, brother, or mother's brother.  It 
should be everyone's automatic instinct.

-Flick

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Re: [Frameworks] Labs in Israel?

[Jason Stauffacher]

So if you film internationally, super 8, do you FedEx it home and process
at home???

On Wednesday, July 25, 2012, Ekrem Serdar wrote:

 No super 8 processing in Turkey - the guys who sell Super 8, send it off
 to Germany.
 I remember someone on here mentioning that X-ray bags just freaks em out
 and they just yank up the cancer. Just make sure it's carry on as passenger
 X-rays tend to be weaker (as this list has pointed out in previous air
 travel discussions.)

 --
 ekrem serdar
 austin, tx

 On Jul 24, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Jason Stauffacher 
 jasonstauffac...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
 'jasonstauffac...@gmail.com');
 wrote:

 Ebay sells X-ray proof bags.  No need to process.


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/FILM-SHIELD-Sima-Brand-X-RAY-BAG-2-for-Air-Travelers-/380457208557?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5895044aed#ht_2745wt_966

 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:00 PM, 40 Frames 
 i...@40frames.orgjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'i...@40frames.org');
  wrote:



 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Diana Arce 
 da...@visualosmosis.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
 'da...@visualosmosis.com');
  wrote:

 Hi Frameworkers,

 I'm traveling to Israel but I am thinking about bringing a Super 8
 camera to Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and I think it would be best to process
 the film there. Any tips?




 No lab in Israel that I am aware of Egypt, yes, Lebanon, Turkey, yes,
 though I believe these labs all handle 16 and 35, don't know about
 super8... though I think one
 of the labs in Turkey does super8 color?

 I'm on the other side of the world though, so perhaps someone else on the
 list has more info.


 Best,
 Alain


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Re: [Frameworks] Please help

[Jack Sargeant]

 If you want to send humorous emails, to your own friends, be my guest by 
 all means, but it is highly disrespectful to hijack what is considered as a 
 professional forum for your own shits and giggles. It is things like this 
 that make people want to unsubscribe, which I can't imagine is a result you'd 
 want. So, like I first suggested, please start your own experimental humor 
 hoax listserv,

An important lesson: there can be no fun or humour or pranks in the 
avant-garde. 

Strangely, the thing which makes me want to unsubscribe is people telling me 
what discussions are allowed and which aren't.

Remember: “The work of art is a stuffed crocodile 

Jack
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Re: [Frameworks] Labs in Israel?

[Ekrem Serdar]

Usually I just waited and processed back at the states. While I've seen
some 16mm by other people be effected by the X-ray, my super 8 (tri-x and
ekta)  has looked fine when carry on. And Turkish airports use huge scary
looking X-rays, and you go through em twice (once at entrance, one more
time before you approach a US bound plane.)  So those flicks certainly got
toasted a bit

Sometimes you can convince them to handcheck it (which you should always do
in the US) and I always carried a changing bag with me in case they'd
accept. And maybe Israel might be a bit more straightforward with that
stuff, who knows.

But yea, my stuff looks fine in that regard, but might want to hear that
from more people to settle your concerns.

--
ekremserdar.info
austin, tx

On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Jason Stauffacher jasonstauffac...@gmail.com
wrote:

So if you film internationally, super 8, do you FedEx it home and process
at home???

On Wednesday, July 25, 2012, Ekrem Serdar wrote:

 No super 8 processing in Turkey - the guys who sell Super 8, send it off
 to Germany.
 I remember someone on here mentioning that X-ray bags just freaks em out
 and they just yank up the cancer. Just make sure it's carry on as passenger
 X-rays tend to be weaker (as this list has pointed out in previous air
 travel discussions.)

 --
 ekrem serdar
 austin, tx

 On Jul 24, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Jason Stauffacher 
 jasonstauffac...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
 'jasonstauffac...@gmail.com');
 wrote:

 Ebay sells X-ray proof bags.  No need to process.


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/FILM-SHIELD-Sima-Brand-X-RAY-BAG-2-for-Air-Travelers-/380457208557?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5895044aed#ht_2745wt_966

 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:00 PM, 40 Frames 
 i...@40frames.orgjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'i...@40frames.org');
  wrote:



 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Diana Arce 
 da...@visualosmosis.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
 'da...@visualosmosis.com');
  wrote:

 Hi Frameworkers,

 I'm traveling to Israel but I am thinking about bringing a Super 8
 camera to Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and I think it would be best to process
 the film there. Any tips?




 No lab in Israel that I am aware of Egypt, yes, Lebanon, Turkey, yes,
 though I believe these labs all handle 16 and 35, don't know about
 super8... though I think one
 of the labs in Turkey does super8 color?

 I'm on the other side of the world though, so perhaps someone else on the
 list has more info.


 Best,
 Alain


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 www.emptyquarterfilm.org


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Re: [Frameworks] Please help

[jaime cleeland]

Is Jack making the rules for the Avant-Garde ?



In a message dated 7/25/2012 8:57:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
j...@jacktext.net writes:
An important lesson: there can be no fun or humour or pranks in the 
avant-garde. 

 
 
What?
From: carli...@aol.com carli...@aol.com




 
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2012, 11:37
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Please help
 

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Re: [Frameworks] Please help

[Carlileb]

 
In a message dated 7/25/2012 9:45:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
j...@jacktext.net writes:

the  quote I was commenting on was talking about Frameworks as a 
professional  forum that should not be hijacked by humorous emails. 
CLEARLY the  
avant-garde is absolutely filled with humour and pranks and fun, but you  
wouldn't know it if you read the comment. I was being sarcastic, pretty  
evident given my subsequent quote from Alfred Jarry, a man who's work  
repeatedly mocked seriousness and self-importance.  


Jack








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