Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-04-01 Thread Cari Machet
calm down tim you're getting too excited .. #boring On Mar 31, 2015 10:35 PM, Tim Halloran televis...@hotmail.com wrote: I just want to unsubscribe from you. Tim Sent from my iPad On Mar 31, 2015, at 9:34 PM, Cari Machet carimac...@gmail.com wrote: you cant unsubscribe this way and

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-04-01 Thread Jason Halprin
Tim - You can (and should)! Just set up a filter to have emails from anyone you'd rather not hear from sent directly to your trash. Problem solved, listserv members reduced by one. Separates the good stuff from the vitrol. Sasha - as a long-time member of this list, and more importantly, and

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-04-01 Thread Jen Proctor
I think Sasha knows the spirit of her comments is supported both on and off this list, but I wanted to openly add my voice to the chorus of supporters. And I say this as someone who counts Wavelength among my very favorite films, and who has shown it to students with all the passion, fervor, and

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-04-01 Thread Warren Cockerham
Thanks, Pip! Cyber-bullying is such a Western cowardice activity... it's a little ironic to see it positioned as righteous. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: Yes, the accounts of the subscribers who are posting off topic are now being moderated. -

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-04-01 Thread Pip Chodorov
Yes, the accounts of the subscribers who are posting off topic are now being moderated. - Pip Chodorov At 11:38 -0400 1/04/15, Edward Choi wrote: Can whoever moderates/administers this list please intervene? This got out of hand 24 hours ago. edo

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-04-01 Thread Cari Machet
Jen you have no clue why those people were told to fuck off ?? try in future to parse information please Is it dificult to understand ethics violations or you just dont even bother to consider ethics at all because you comfortably had a fucking cup of tea this morning with goddamn sugar and cream

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-04-01 Thread Elisa Da Prato
agreed kindly, e On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Edward Choi e...@uchicago.edu wrote: Can whoever moderates/administers this list please intervene? This got out of hand 24 hours ago. edo On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Cari Machet carimac...@gmail.com wrote: Jen you have no clue

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-04-01 Thread Greg DeCuir
Gallagher ke...@purpleriot.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood Sasha, I appreciate your intelligent and helpful response bringing some radical women filmmakers

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-04-01 Thread Rob Gawthrop
/official ones. Cordially, Greg de Cuir, Jr Selector/Curator, Alternative Film/Video Belgrade From: Kelly Gallagher ke...@purpleriot.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Gisèle Gordon
Please unsubscribe me from the list. I thank everyone for the knowledge and wisdom they have shared. The current tone is unfortunate. Perhaps people could email each other privately or meet for coffee to discuss their differences? I have very much appreciated all the knowledge that wisdom

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Cari Machet
listen i am NOT a white person i dont react with a smile when i am faced with someone that doesnt even think about humility and self critique i would NEVER tell other people to 'calm down' it also lacks humility i went to art school where thankfully i was taught the art of critique and self

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Cari Machet
you cant unsubscribe this way and why do people do this kind of 'pronouncement' - its like acting out? dont open the emails in a thread if its so horrific - what would you fuckers do in a war zone for fuck sake? i dont care if you leave the list really if you are so whiny On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Elizabeth McMahon
Gene owes no apology. Presuming the need for one is what is rude, as is your inability to edit your comment so it is just his and your remarks. I could care less to seen the history of your digest that you've carelessly (thoughtlessly?) allowed attached. Elizabeth On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:22

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Cari Machet
gene owes no fucking apology in any way you on the other hand need to do some hefty work on yourself - obliviousness to self critique is a frightening place to even witness a hearty fuck off to you sasha On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 4:08 PM, chris bravo iamdir...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly my

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Kim Knowles
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood gene owes no fucking apology in any way you on the other hand need to do some hefty work on yourself - obliviousness to self critique is a frightening place to even witness a hearty fuck off to you sasha On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 4:08 PM

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Tim Halloran
I just want to unsubscribe from you. Tim Sent from my iPad On Mar 31, 2015, at 9:34 PM, Cari Machet carimac...@gmail.com wrote: you cant unsubscribe this way and why do people do this kind of 'pronouncement' - its like acting out? dont open the emails in a thread if its so horrific -

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood-teaching Wavelength

2015-03-31 Thread Chuck Kleinhans
On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Dave Tetzlaff djte...@gmail.commailto:djte...@gmail.com wrote: Chill out, people! Amen! Tell it like it is brother Tetzlaff! I didn’t participate because the initial question seemed very flawed for the reasons David has pointed out, and I was off at a

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread chris bravo
Saying that a film makes students want to commit suicide isn't a critique, its an offensive derogatory statement, which is directed not just towards the filmmaker, but towards her students especially. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 1:27 PM Dave Tetzlaff djte...@gmail.com wrote: Chill out, people! This

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Dave Tetzlaff
Chill out, people! This is a Listserv. People write short posts quickly, and hit 'Send'. Rhetorical excess comes with the territory as we dash off our thoughts w/o reflecting deeply about whether our wording will read to others with the meanings they had for us when they popped into our

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Kelly Gallagher
Sasha, I appreciate your intelligent and helpful response bringing some radical women filmmakers into the original post. Sometimes many people in this space seem to get very stuck on notions of the canon which means that important work like that of Sadie Benning and Hito Steyerl gets swiped aside.

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Elizabeth McMahon
I apologize, in general, for whatever. I don't want to add to polemics that disdain and dissuade an inclusive environment. Like Sasha, I barely contribute, to most listservs, for fear of attack and ridicule, and yet I did apparently myself, however, depending on your POV, regarding her remarks

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread chris bravo
Clearly my rhetorical excesses with regards to Wavelength your rhetoric wasn't excessive it was offensive. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Sasha Waters Freyer swfre...@vcu.edu wrote: Mr. Youngblood, Clearly my rhetorical excesses with regards to Wavelength offended you. However, turning a

Re: [Frameworks] Response to Gene Youngblood

2015-03-31 Thread Sasha Waters Freyer
Mr. Youngblood, Clearly my rhetorical excesses with regards to Wavelength offended you. However, turning a critical disagreement over a 48-year-old film is no excuse to attack my ability as a teacher or to dictate my responsibility to my students. I will chalk this exchange up to your passion for