Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On 11 February 2015 at 21:39, Glen Barber wrote: > Hi, > > Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch > into head, which will enable building and installing stripped debugging > files by default. > > In general, this should have no significant

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 06:09:37 PM Ed Maste wrote: > On 11 February 2015 at 21:39, Glen Barber wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch > > into head, which will enable building and installing stripped debugging > >

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On 12 February 2015 at 10:29, Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu wrote: Does this feature take into account the optimization level that one may set via CFLAGS? Conventional wisdom used to claim that debuggers did not fair too well with code that was compiled with -O2 (or -Os

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Konstantin Belousov kostik...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 02:39:12AM +, Glen Barber wrote: Hi, Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch into head, which will enable building and installing stripped

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On 12 Feb 2015, at 04:49, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: I would like to see it enabled by default for 11.0-RELEASE. For everyone concerned about size, remember that the goal for 11.0-RELEASE is to use pkg for the base system, which makes it much easier to: - Install some debug info

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 02:39:12AM +, Glen Barber wrote: Hi, Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch into head, which will enable building and installing stripped debugging files by default. In general, this should have no significant impact, but any

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On 11 February 2015 at 23:43, Alfred Perlstein alf...@freebsd.org wrote: Agreed, SMALL platforms should turn off at decision of those platform maintainers. Won't fight to keep debug default on for arm, that's for sure. Actually, it's even more important that we build and store debug files for

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On 12 February 2015 at 08:21, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:12:19AM +0200, Konstantin Belousov wrote: IMO having debugging information for all binaries is just an overkill. Nobody debugs ls on regular basis, while debug information for C runtime is needed

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:12:19AM +0200, Konstantin Belousov wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 02:39:12AM +, Glen Barber wrote: Hi, Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch into head, which will enable building and installing stripped debugging files by

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:27:53AM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: On 11 February 2015 at 23:43, Alfred Perlstein alf...@freebsd.org wrote: Agreed, SMALL platforms should turn off at decision of those platform maintainers. Won't fight to keep debug default on for arm, that's for sure. Actually,

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On 11 February 2015 at 23:23, Ian Lepore i...@freebsd.org wrote: I can't imagine that anybody is going to be happy with an installed system size increase from 520 to 2520 MB no matter how much it helps debugging, especially considering the the typical installation media is in the 2-8 GB range

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 02:39:12AM +, Glen Barber wrote: Hi, Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch into head, which will enable building and installing stripped debugging files by default. In general, this should have no significant impact, but any

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 02:39:12AM +, Glen Barber wrote: Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch into head, which will enable building and installing stripped debugging files by default. Given the feedback received, I will not be merging this branch to

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:56:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: How much time will this add to a build? I did not keep the build log files from the initial universe build with DEBUG_FILES enabled, so cannot yet provide a granular overview of the build times at the moment unfortunately. I will

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:30:58PM +, Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:56:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: How much time will this add to a build? I did not keep the build log files from the initial universe build with DEBUG_FILES enabled, so cannot yet provide a granular

HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

Hi, Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch into head, which will enable building and installing stripped debugging files by default. In general, this should have no significant impact, but any fallout will be addressed as soon as possible after the merge. Those

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On 11 February 2015 at 21:39, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch into head, which will enable building and installing stripped debugging files by default. In general, this should have no significant impact, but any

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: The major benefit is that all debugging data that we need to properly debug application crashes in the base system will be available out-of-box. There is a trade-off here, in both directions. For arm, for example, the

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:11:58AM +, Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:56:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 22:21 -0500, Ed Maste wrote: On 11 February 2015 at 21:39, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46:18PM +0800, Jia-Shiun Li wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: The major benefit is that all debugging data that we need to properly debug application crashes in the base system will be available out-of-box. There is

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:56:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 22:21 -0500, Ed Maste wrote: On 11 February 2015 at 21:39, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch into head, which will enable building

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 04:11 +, Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:56:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 22:21 -0500, Ed Maste wrote: On 11 February 2015 at 21:39, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 22:21 -0500, Ed Maste wrote: On 11 February 2015 at 21:39, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: Within the next 24 hours, I will merge the release-install-debug branch into head, which will enable building and installing stripped debugging files by default. In

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 09:23:01PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 04:11 +, Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:56:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 22:21 -0500, Ed Maste wrote: On 11 February 2015 at 21:39, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org

Re: HEADS-UP: Enabling WITH_DEBUG_FILES by default

On 2/11/15 8:28 PM, Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 09:23:01PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 04:11 +, Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:56:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 22:21 -0500, Ed Maste wrote: On 11 February 2015 at