Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-07 Thread Doug White
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > Nobody has come up with any any real reason why the user should not at a > glance be able to tell which boot-time services failed and which ones > succeeded. - The existing system does this already - Masking error messages is Evil(tm) Doug White

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-07 Thread Rahul Dhesi
I recently wrote: >It's not the green that's important, it's the 'OK'. The way Redhat >Linux boots, you can see at a glance which start-up commands failed and >which ones succeeded. The way FreeBSD boots, it's all one big blur. >Also, in the Linux scheme, there is a standard mechanism to keep

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-07 Thread Brandon D. Valentine
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Garrett Wollman wrote: ><<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> Sounds like a good enough reason to me to port the newer NetBSD LFS code >> to FreeBSD. > >Or, even better, for someone to implement background fsck for soft >updates. Yes, that too would be wonderful. Brandon D. Valent

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-07 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > Sounds like a good enough reason to me to port the newer NetBSD LFS code > to FreeBSD. Or, even better, for someone to implement background fsck for soft updates. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same [EMAIL PROTECTED] | O Siem

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Travis Cole
On Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 06:53:49PM -0700, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Walter Campbe > ll writes: > > > > HP/UX does something like this. I find it rather useful, but that may be > > > > because I have boxes that take almost an hour to boot

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Brandon D. Valentine
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: >An Alpha my team manages with 1 TB of images on UFS takes 4 hours to >fsck. Sounds like a good enough reason to me to port the newer NetBSD LFS code to FreeBSD. Brandon D. Valentine -- bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at stru

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Richard Stanaford
--- Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An Alpha my team manages with 1 TB of images on UFS takes 4 hours to > fsck. > Now that's a bit of thrashing, eh? Jordan, or anyone else who might know.. How long does it take "our" beast (ftp.freebsd.org) to bring

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Walter Campbe ll writes: > > > HP/UX does something like this. I find it rather useful, but that may be > > > because I have boxes that take almost an hour to boot > > > > An hour to boot? Boy... the only time I ever saw a machine take an hour to > > boot (wh

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Cyrille Lefevre
Jonathan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Quickie question: [snip] > To my (limited) understanding of this subject, it's not going to make hour > long boot-ups. It may increase shutdown time to do things, but, sometimes > you need to properly shut things down. If that were not the case, on

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Mike Meyer
Jonathan Smith writes: > I, for one, like the functionality, and thought it kinda already worked > that way (or maybe I _made_ it work that way on my machines, cn't > remember). I would like solid facts, rather than a religious/exagerated > discussion. I agree. I first ran into this on solaris.

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Doug White
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > Linh Pham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Can we have little green "[ OK ]"s as well? :) > >> > >> j/k > > >I hope you are joking... LOL... We don't want Linux emulation to go in > >that direction. > > It's not the green that's important, it's the '

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Richard Stanaford
How bout a booting a SparcStation running Solaris 2.6 off a 1x CDROM? When it finally got done, I had to sit and remind myself what was wrong with it. -Richard --- Walter Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > HP/UX does something like this. I find it rather useful, but that may be > >

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Thu, Jul 06, 2000, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > And its actually very useful IMHO. Thats what rc.conf is for though, right? > > enable_pkg_apache="YES" > enable_pkg_qmail="YES" > enable_pkg_mysql="YES" > > and so on .. ? Before people start going "huh?" .. that was an idea, not an outline as to

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Thu, Jul 06, 2000, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > Linh Pham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Can we have little green "[ OK ]"s as well? :) > >> > >> j/k > > >I hope you are joking... LOL... We don't want Linux emulation to go in > >that direction. > > It's not the green that's important, it's the

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Thomas D. Dean
We have gone to some pains in the past to make the rc.d scripts silent. Either work or fail silently. if [ -x ... ]; do ... done Now, with the addition of the start/stop, there is a message output if the argument is not 'start' or 'stop'. The default should be 'start'. These scripts a

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Rahul Dhesi wrote: > > >> Can we have little green "[ OK ]"s as well? :) > > >I hope you are joking... LOL... We don't want Linux emulation to go in > >that direction. > > It's not the green that's important, it's the 'OK'. The way Redhat > Linux boots, you can see at a glance which start-up c

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Linh Pham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Can we have little green "[ OK ]"s as well? :) >> >> j/k >I hope you are joking... LOL... We don't want Linux emulation to go in >that direction. It's not the green that's important, it's the 'OK'. The way Redhat Linux boots, you can see at a glance wh

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Thomas Gellekum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >/etc/rc.shutdown in -current has been changed to call the scripts in >${local_startup} with the `stop' option. This allows packages like >databases to call their own shutdown methods and clean up after >themselves This will make it a bit harder to

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 12:53:09PM -0400, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > > >Many Linux distributions do this too. It seems about as useful as a car's > >idiot light(s)... IMO, I would prefer to see useful information during > >boot than that eye-ca

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Jonathan Smith
Quickie question: By implementing the 'start' and 'stop' in the local scripts, how much should one _expect_ their systems bootup and slow down times to take? I'm hearing whines of being to linux like, to sysv'ish and some likely valid complaints on startup/shutdown time. I, for one, like the f

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Brandon D. Valentine
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: >Many Linux distributions do this too. It seems about as useful as a car's >idiot light(s)... IMO, I would prefer to see useful information during >boot than that eye-candy. I'd prefer to buy a box of blinkenlights to put in a spare 5.25" bay and l

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Walter Campbell
> > HP/UX does something like this. I find it rather useful, but that may be > > because I have boxes that take almost an hour to boot > > An hour to boot? Boy... the only time I ever saw a machine take an hour to > boot (which does not include the POST/memory check/BIOS screen) was a > 486S

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Chris D. Faulhaber
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, David Scheidt wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Linh Pham wrote: > > :> > :> Can we have little green "[ OK ]"s as well? :) > :> > :> j/k > : > :I hope you are joking... LOL... We don't want Linux emulation to go in > :that direction. > > > HP/UX does something like this. I f

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Linh Pham
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, David Scheidt wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Linh Pham wrote: > > :> > :> Can we have little green "[ OK ]"s as well? :) > :> > :> j/k > : > :I hope you are joking... LOL... We don't want Linux emulation to go in > :that direction. > > > HP/UX does something like this. I f

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread David Scheidt
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Linh Pham wrote: :> :> Can we have little green "[ OK ]"s as well? :) :> :> j/k : :I hope you are joking... LOL... We don't want Linux emulation to go in :that direction. HP/UX does something like this. I find it rather useful, but that may be because I have boxes that ta

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Linh Pham
> In the last episode (Jul 06), Thomas Gellekum said: > > sorry for the late notice, I forgot to mail this yesterday. > > > > /etc/rc.shutdown in -current has been changed to call the scripts in > > ${local_startup} with the `stop' option. This allows packages like > > databases to call their ow

Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jul 06), Thomas Gellekum said: > sorry for the late notice, I forgot to mail this yesterday. > > /etc/rc.shutdown in -current has been changed to call the scripts in > ${local_startup} with the `stop' option. This allows packages like > databases to call their own shutdown me

HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now

2000-07-06 Thread Thomas Gellekum
Moin, sorry for the late notice, I forgot to mail this yesterday. /etc/rc.shutdown in -current has been changed to call the scripts in ${local_startup} with the `stop' option. This allows packages like databases to call their own shutdown methods and clean up after themselves. All the ports have