Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-21 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 11 March 2001 at 22:26:11 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: * Greg Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 21:20] wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2001 at 20:39:03 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: * Greg Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 15:21] wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2001 at 3:27:02 -0800, Alfred

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Niels Chr. Bank-Pedersen
On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 12:03:34AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 10 March 2001 at 17:12:42 -0800, Matt Jacob wrote: (top of tree within the last day or so): Things seem *almost* okay, but: nellie.feral.com root vinum

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Niels Chr. Bank-Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 02:29] wrote: I'll sneak in my experience with DEVFS+vinum here as well: vinum: loaded vinum: reading configuration from /dev/da3s1f vinum: updating configuration from /dev/da1s1e vinum: updating configuration from /dev/da2s1e

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Alfred Perlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vinum+DEVFS doesn't make the million symlinks that non-devfs vinum does. Why not? make_dev_alias() is cheap and easy to use. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Dag-Erling Smorgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 09:02] wrote: Alfred Perlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vinum+DEVFS doesn't make the million symlinks that non-devfs vinum does. Why not? make_dev_alias() is cheap and easy to use. Take a look at the /dev/vinum tree under devfs and

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Matthew Jacob
Lastly make_dev_alias() is undocumented. Really? That's a deficiency. It should be. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Jacob writes: Lastly make_dev_alias() is undocumented. Right, just like most of the rest of the kernel. Really? That's a deficiency. It should be. Yes, ideally, yes. I'm hacking the man page now..

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 12:02] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Jacob writes: Lastly make_dev_alias() is undocumented. Right, just like most of the rest of the kernel. Really? That's a deficiency. It should be. Yes, ideally, yes. The problem with

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote: * Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 12:02] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Jacob writes: Lastly make_dev_alias() is undocumented. Right, just like most of the rest of the kernel. Really? That's a deficiency.

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS (second part)

2001-03-11 Thread Matthew Jacob
Since you guys are in docco mode, you might as well document how one detects a devfs system in a running system. There's an example in the vinum(8) source: if (sysctlbyname("vfs.devfs.generation", NULL, NULL, NULL, 0) == 0) devfs_is_active = 1; else

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS (second part)

2001-03-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since you guys are in docco mode, you might as well document how one detects a devfs system in a running system. Why should you care? Because if the system doesn't have devfs, the userland vinum code needs to create the device nodes "manually". DES

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS (second part)

2001-03-11 Thread Matthew Jacob
On 11 Mar 2001, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since you guys are in docco mode, you might as well document how one detects a devfs system in a running system. Why should you care? Because if the system doesn't have devfs, the userland vinum code

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS (second part)

2001-03-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm. Sounds to me more like an argument for requiring devfs if you use vinum. Not until vinum works equally well with devfs as without it. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS (second part)

2001-03-11 Thread Matthew Jacob
I think I'm assuming that DEVFS will become standard. I really see it working very very well and solving lots of problems. I have yet to really find cases where it really *can't* work (modulo broken drivers). Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm. Sounds to me more like an

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS (second part)

2001-03-11 Thread Matthew Jacob
Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm. Sounds to me more like an argument for requiring devfs if you use vinum. Not until vinum works equally well with devfs as without it. Har har har har har Almost a Catch-22... "We have to do really wierd things so vinum will work

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS (second part)

2001-03-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm. Sounds to me more like an argument for requiring devfs if you use vinum. Not until vinum works equally well with devfs as without it. Har har har har har Please take your sarcasm and shove

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Jacob writes: Lastly make_dev_alias() is undocumented. Right, just like most of the rest of the kernel. Really? That's a deficiency. It should be. Yes, ideally, yes. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 11 March 2001 at 3:27:02 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: * Niels Chr. Bank-Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 02:29] wrote: I'll sneak in my experience with DEVFS+vinum here as well: vinum: loaded vinum: reading configuration from /dev/da3s1f vinum: updating configuration

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 12:19] wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote: * Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 12:02] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Jacob writes: Lastly make_dev_alias() is undocumented. Right, just like

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Greg Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 15:21] wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2001 at 3:27:02 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: Vinum+DEVFS doesn't make the million symlinks that non-devfs vinum does. The only symlinks that the non-devfs version makes are to the drives. Everything else is

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Matthew Jacob
Yeah... don't really need that. :) In vinum's case there's a directory /dev/vinum/drive that points to the device backing the vinum device: /dev/vinum % ls -lR total 7 brwx-- 1 root wheel 25, 0x4001 Sep 26 1999 Control brwx-- 1 root wheel 25, 0x4002 Sep 26

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 20:45] wrote: Yeah... don't really need that. :) In vinum's case there's a directory /dev/vinum/drive that points to the device backing the vinum device: /dev/vinum % ls -lR total 7 brwx-- 1 root wheel 25, 0x4001 Sep 26

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Boris Popov
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alfred Perlstein writes: What's up with devfs not gc'ing itself? Ie, after a directory becomes empty it seems to still exist within the devfs namespace instead of disappearing. That was a deliberate decision,

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Boris Popov [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 20:52] wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alfred Perlstein writes: What's up with devfs not gc'ing itself? Ie, after a directory becomes empty it seems to still exist within the devfs namespace

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 11 March 2001 at 20:39:03 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: * Greg Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 15:21] wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2001 at 3:27:02 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: Vinum+DEVFS doesn't make the million symlinks that non-devfs vinum does. The only symlinks that the

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Greg Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 21:20] wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2001 at 20:39:03 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: * Greg Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010311 15:21] wrote: On Sunday, 11 March 2001 at 3:27:02 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: Vinum+DEVFS doesn't make the million symlinks

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-10 Thread Greg Lehey
On Saturday, 10 March 2001 at 17:12:42 -0800, Matt Jacob wrote: (top of tree within the last day or so): Things seem *almost* okay, but: nellie.feral.com root vinum vinum - stripe -v /dev/da3a /dev/da4a /dev/da5a /dev/da6a /dev/da7a /dev/da8a /dev/da9a /dev/da10a /dev/da11a /dev/da12a

Re: how's vinum these days with DEVFS?

2001-03-10 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 10 March 2001 at 17:12:42 -0800, Matt Jacob wrote: (top of tree within the last day or so): Things seem *almost* okay, but: nellie.feral.com root vinum vinum - stripe -v /dev/da3a /dev/da4a /dev/da5a /dev/da6a /dev/da7a