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On 2014-05-17 08:07, John Baldwin wrote:
> On 5/12/14, 1:35 PM, Allan Jude wrote:
>> I have this system:
>>
>> hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 v3 @ 3.10GHz
>> hw.ncpu: 4
>>
>> http://ark.intel.com/products/75052
>>
>> dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
>> dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
>> dev.cpu.0.%location
On 5/12/14, 1:35 PM, Allan Jude wrote:
> I have this system:
>
> hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 v3 @ 3.10GHz
> hw.ncpu: 4
>
> http://ark.intel.com/products/75052
>
> dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
> dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
> dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0
> dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=non
On 2014-05-13 02:06, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> Did you set cx_lowest on hw.acpi.cpu ?
>
>
> -a
>
>
> On 12 May 2014 20:07, Allan Jude wrote:
>> Before and after cx_lowest=c8 on an E5-2620v2
>>
>> before:
>>
>> # pcm.x 1
>>
>> Intel(r) Performance Counter Monitor V2.6 (2013-11-04 13:43:31
>> +0100 ID=d
Did you set cx_lowest on hw.acpi.cpu ?
-a
On 12 May 2014 20:07, Allan Jude wrote:
> Before and after cx_lowest=c8 on an E5-2620v2
>
> before:
>
> # pcm.x 1
>
> Intel(r) Performance Counter Monitor V2.6 (2013-11-04 13:43:31 +0100
> ID=db05e43)
>
> Copyright (c) 2009-2013 Intel Corporation
>
>
Before and after cx_lowest=c8 on an E5-2620v2
before:
# pcm.x 1
Intel(r) Performance Counter Monitor V2.6 (2013-11-04 13:43:31 +0100
ID=db05e43)
Copyright (c) 2009-2013 Intel Corporation
Number of physical cores: 12
Number of logical cores: 24
Threads (logical cores) per physical core: 2
Num
On 05/12/2014 22:09, Allan Jude wrote:
>
> Will try to grab results from a few more machines
>
>
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On 05/12/2014 22:12, Allan Jude wrote:
> On 2014-05-12 14:25, Adrian Chadd wrote:
>> Just run intel-pcm and see. Thanks, -a
>
> Not sure if this is expected or not, but on
>
> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz
>
>
> all of the pcm.x tools just hang (cpu state: usem)
>
>
> _
On 2014-05-12 14:25, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> Just run intel-pcm and see. Thanks, -a
Not sure if this is expected or not, but on
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz
all of the pcm.x tools just hang (cpu state: usem)
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org
On 2014-05-12 14:25, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On 12 May 2014 10:35, Allan Jude wrote:
>> I have this system:
>>
>> hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 v3 @ 3.10GHz
>> hw.ncpu: 4
>>
>> http://ark.intel.com/products/75052
>>
>> dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
>> dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
>> dev.cpu.0.%locati
On 12 May 2014 10:35, Allan Jude wrote:
> I have this system:
>
> hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 v3 @ 3.10GHz
> hw.ncpu: 4
>
> http://ark.intel.com/products/75052
>
> dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
> dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
> dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0
> dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none
I have this system:
hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 v3 @ 3.10GHz
hw.ncpu: 4
http://ark.intel.com/products/75052
dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0
dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0
dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.cpu.0.freq: 3100
dev.cp
El día Wednesday, May 07, 2014 a las 12:14:16PM +0800, Jia-Shiun Li escribió:
> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >
> > # dmesg
> > ...
> > CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz (900.11-MHz 686-class
> > CPU)
> > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x6d8 Family
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
> # dmesg
> ...
> CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz (900.11-MHz 686-class
> CPU)
> Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x6d8 Family = 0x6 Model = 0xd Stepping = 8
>
> Features=0xafe9fbff
> AMD Features=0x10
> real
On 6 May 2014 09:38, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to implement the power saving hints we discussed in my tiny
> EeePC 900, but it says:
>
> root@tiny-r255948:~ # uname -a
> FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18
> 12:10:57 CEST 2013 g...@aurora.sis
El día Tuesday, May 06, 2014 a las 01:00:21PM -0400, Allan Jude escribió:
> > EeePC 900, but it says:
> >
> > root@tiny-r255948:~ # uname -a
> > FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18
> > 12:10:57 CEST 2013 g...@aurora.sisis.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
> > i38
On 2014-05-06 12:38, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to implement the power saving hints we discussed in my tiny
> EeePC 900, but it says:
>
> root@tiny-r255948:~ # uname -a
> FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18
> 12:10:57 CEST 2013 g...@aurora.s
Hello,
I wanted to implement the power saving hints we discussed in my tiny
EeePC 900, but it says:
root@tiny-r255948:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD tiny-r255948 10.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 #1: Fri Oct 18
12:10:57 CEST 2013 g...@aurora.sisis.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
i386
root@tiny-r255948:
On Sunday, May 04, 2014 4:40:02 pm Adrian Chadd wrote:
> Hm, I was hoping for a little more discussion. Mostly around the
> "which older CPUs do we leave this on for?" crowd.
>
> I have Pentium-M class hardware that I was going to spin up -HEAD on.
>
> So I'll go install -HEAD on said older hardw
El día Monday, May 05, 2014 a las 12:36:08PM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió:
> Btw: the values in /etc/rc.conf
>
> performance_cx_lowest="Cmax"
> economy_cx_lowest="Cmax"
>
> to which launched process they belong as config values?
Forget the question. The values are used by /etc/rc.d/power_pro
El día Monday, May 05, 2014 a las 12:09:02PM +0200, Stefan Esser escribió:
> > In the output of:
> >
> > $ sysctl -a | fgrep dev.cpu.0.freq_
> > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1600/2000 1333/1533 1066/1066 800/600
> >
> > what does mean the value after the slash .../ ?
>
> This is the nominal power
Am 05.05.2014 11:17, schrieb Matthias Apitz:
> El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
>
>> Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarantees that you will use
>> the lowest available. The correct incantation in rc.conf is "Cmax".
>> performance_cx_lowe
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
> Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarantees that you will use
> the lowest available. The correct incantation in rc.conf is "Cmax".
> performance_cx_lowest="Cmax"
> economy_cx_lowest="Cmax"
>
> But, unles
throttling is disabled now.
-a
On 4 May 2014 21:27, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Nathan Whitehorn
> wrote:
>
>> On 05/04/14 10:05, Allan Jude wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-05-04 11:47, Allan Jude wrote:
>>>
On 2014-05-04 10:28, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Sa
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
> On 05/04/14 10:05, Allan Jude wrote:
>
>> On 2014-05-04 11:47, Allan Jude wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-05-04 10:28, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>>>
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman
escribió:
On Sa
Hm, I was hoping for a little more discussion. Mostly around the
"which older CPUs do we leave this on for?" crowd.
I have Pentium-M class hardware that I was going to spin up -HEAD on.
So I'll go install -HEAD on said older hardware and get a list of what
does and doesn't work. I'm totally fine
On 05/04/14 10:05, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2014-05-04 11:47, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2014-05-04 10:28, Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Set it to the lowest available Cx state t
On 2014-05-04 11:47, Allan Jude wrote:
> On 2014-05-04 10:28, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>> El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
>>
>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
>>>
Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0
On 2014-05-04 10:28, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
>
>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
>>
>>> Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
>>>
>>>
>> Available is not required. Set
On 05/03/14 22:29, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 3 May 2014 21:52, Allan Jude wrote:
* use cpufreq with some heuristics (like say, only step down to 2/3rd
the frequency if idle) - and document why that decision is made (eg on
CPU X, measuring Y at idle, power consumption was minimal at
frequency=Z.);
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 04:59:48PM -0700, Kevin Oberman escribió:
> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
>
> > Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
> >
> >
> Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarantees that you will use
> the
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well, hardware got better. A lot better. I'm happy to leave speedstep
> and throttling in there but teach powerd about using C-states and
> limited frequency stepping if it's available.
>
> So, how about something like this:
>
> * if C
On 3 May 2014 21:52, Allan Jude wrote:
> On 2014-05-04 00:49, Adrian Chadd wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Well, hardware got better. A lot better. I'm happy to leave speedstep
>> and throttling in there but teach powerd about using C-states and
>> limited frequency stepping if it's available.
>>
>> So, how a
On 2014-05-04 00:49, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well, hardware got better. A lot better. I'm happy to leave speedstep
> and throttling in there but teach powerd about using C-states and
> limited frequency stepping if it's available.
>
> So, how about something like this:
>
> * if C states ar
Hi,
Well, hardware got better. A lot better. I'm happy to leave speedstep
and throttling in there but teach powerd about using C-states and
limited frequency stepping if it's available.
So, how about something like this:
* if C states are available - let's just use C states and not step the
cpu
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
> On 05/03/14 16:59, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
>>
>> Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
>>>
>>>
>>> Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarante
TCC is fine.
TCC for doing anything other than _thermal throttling_ these days isn't.
I've been kind of trying hard to avoid touching it as I'm worried
it'll stick to me, but something tells me i'm just going to have to
bite the bullet and grab ownership of this stuff... :(
-a
On 3 May 2014
On 05/03/14 16:59, Kevin Oberman wrote:
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarantees that you will use
the lowest available. The correct incantation in rc.conf
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
>
>
Available is not required. Set it to C8. That guarantees that you will use
the lowest available. The correct incantation in rc.conf is "Cmax".
performance_cx_lowest="Cmax"
Set it to the lowest available Cx state that you see in dev.cpu.0 .
-a
On 3 May 2014 12:23, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 09:37:08AM -0700, Adrian Chadd escribió:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm working on adding some more power management logging support to
>> freebsd-head so
El día Saturday, May 03, 2014 a las 09:37:08AM -0700, Adrian Chadd escribió:
> Hi,
>
> I'm working on adding some more power management logging support to
> freebsd-head so we can start to get a better grip on sleep/wakeup
> occurances. That should help us start to figure out where the power
> co
Hi,
I'm working on adding some more power management logging support to
freebsd-head so we can start to get a better grip on sleep/wakeup
occurances. That should help us start to figure out where the power
consumption is going.
But on that EEEPC 900, just make sure you've set dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest
El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 08:38:28AM +0100, David Chisnall escribió:
>
> Just a small note here: Improving power management is something that the Core
> Team and the Foundation have jointly identified as an important goal, in
> particular for mobile / embedded scenarios. We're curre
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 08:38:28AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 1 Apr 2014, at 08:11, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> > 1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete
> > top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying
> > to idle the processor whenev
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 11:21:34AM +0200, Matthias Gamsjager wrote:
> > Since when is GIMP an alternative to Lightroom? I was talking about
> > raw processors, not raster image manipulators.
>
> The opensource alternatives to Lightroom come not close to the original.
They maybe not yet a drop-in
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 09:49:31AM +0200, Matthias Gamsjager wrote:
> > There are a few alternatives to Lightroom available in Ports Collection,
> > you might want to give them a try one day.
> >
> offtopic:
> But it does not even come close to Lightroom. Gimp is also not even
> close to Photoshop.
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 03:10:22PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> FreeBSD desktop since 3.3 (makes me a newbie!) I really dislike pulseaudio
> and have managed to live without it. Firefox works fine without it.
> Unfortunately they dropped OSS support a while go, so I now must use alsa,
> but it wor
> Since when is GIMP an alternative to Lightroom? I was talking about
> raw processors, not raster image manipulators.
>
The opensource alternatives to Lightroom come not close to the
original. The _same_ is true for GIMP which is hardly workable and is
not more then a nice showcase but its usabi
> There are a few alternatives to Lightroom available in Ports Collection,
> you might want to give them a try one day.
>
offtopic:
But it does not even come close to Lightroom. Gimp is also not even
close to Photoshop. Maybe Pixelmator. But Gimp? The UI and usability
is such a mess.
But again it's
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 03:10:22PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > FreeBSD desktop since 3.3 (makes me a newbie!) I really dislike
> pulseaudio
> > and have managed to live without it. Firefox works fine without it.
> > Unfortunately they
No wifi.
Someone has to step up and "own" broadcom wifi or this will never change.
-a
On 2 April 2014 18:44, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 06:40:18PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>> Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the
>> desktop since, well, b
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 06:40:18PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the
> desktop since, well, before it was called FreeBSD. It's still my
> primary platform for nearly everything (except photo management, which
> drove me to a Mac laptop
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote:
>
>> This is like trying to predict automobile technology and dominant
>> car-makers by 1905. There's always room for competition. Take a look
>> at what's happening right now in the auto-in
On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:10:22 -0700
Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > > No, mutt, with vim as mail composer. :)
> >
> > +1
> >
> > matthias
> >
> > (FreeBSD since 2.2.5 and sending this from an EeePC 900,
> > netbook, UMTS connected, KDE4 desktop, sound, webcam, vim, mutt,
> >
On 02.04.14 04:26, Adrian Chadd wrote:
It's no longer "xorg just speaks to the graphics chip."
This is a common trend in computing recently. What once required tightly
integrated OS/applications is now distributed, in the widest sense. The
so called "Personal Computer" is nowadays actually s
On 02.04.14 15:52, David Chisnall wrote:
On 2 Apr 2014, at 13:40, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 02.04.14 12:22, David Chisnall wrote:
The use case that PulseAudio was [over]designed to fix was plugging in USB
headphones (or connecting a Bluetooth headset) and having existing audio
streams redir
On 2 Apr 2014, at 13:40, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
>
> On 02.04.14 12:22, David Chisnall wrote:
>> The use case that PulseAudio was [over]designed to fix was plugging in USB
>> headphones (or connecting a Bluetooth headset) and having existing audio
>> streams redirected there.
>
> Please don't e
On 02.04.14 12:22, David Chisnall wrote:
The use case that PulseAudio was [over]designed to fix was plugging in
USB headphones (or connecting a Bluetooth headset) and having existing
audio streams redirected there.
Please don't ever make this behavior the default!
Imagine, you have an audio
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote:
> This is like trying to predict automobile technology and dominant
> car-makers by 1905. There's always room for competition. Take a look
> at what's happening right now in the auto-industry. Tesla came out of
> nowhere 125 years after the invent
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Person, Roderick wrote:
> Why aren't all the nerds and small businesses out there a market?
Too few of you to justify the capital outlay. Now, if we were talking about a
$1500 watch that was very nerdy and appealed to the inner James Bond in lots of
non-nerds, t
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> I have Macs at work (typing on one now), and a mac at home. I like them.
> [ … ]
> It’s just like being back in the 80s, when Unix had a desktop market, only
> much, much faster.
Worry not, there’s a product just for you now!
http://www.macs
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 10:22:32AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 1 Apr 2014, at 23:10, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>
> > Audio output is pretty system dependent, but I had little problem getting
> > my audio to auto-switch to headphones when I plugged them in. The setup is
> > a bit ugly,but I only
On 1 Apr 2014, at 23:10, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> Audio output is pretty system dependent, but I had little problem getting
> my audio to auto-switch to headphones when I plugged them in. The setup is
> a bit ugly,but I only had to check the available PINs (ugly, ugly) and set
> up stuff once. It j
On 1 April 2014 15:40, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <533b3903.7030...@rancid.berkeley.edu>,
> mich...@rancid.berkeley.edu writes:
>
>>I have been using FreeBSD on the desktop since 1997,
>
> Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the
> desktop since, well, before it wa
In article <533b3903.7030...@rancid.berkeley.edu>,
mich...@rancid.berkeley.edu writes:
>I have been using FreeBSD on the desktop since 1997,
Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the
desktop since, well, before it was called FreeBSD. It's still my
primary platform for near
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels
> escribió:
>
> > > > > > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
> > > > > > desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the
> > >
On 04/01/2014 07:46, dte...@freebsd.org wrote:
> Eitan,
>
> While I understand your frustration, VICOR is using FreeBSD as a Desktop since
> FreeBSD 2.2. We don't use sound and we are fine relying on vesa.
>
> While I understand that the things you listed are actual short-comings for
> normal
>
El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels escribió:
> > > > > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
> > > > > desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the
> > [snip]
> >
> > > I'm a happy FreeBSD desktop user since 4.7. There
> -Original Message-
>> From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org
>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On
>> Behalf Of Randi Harper
>>
>>You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are
>>going to step
>> up and say "Well, I run FreeBSD on my >desktop!
On Tue, April 1, 2014 11:59 am, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote:
>
>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
That is why on this date I propose that w
Hi all,
I have been a member of the FreeBSD hackers mailing list for about a year.5
now and I must say that I was looking forward to this year's 4/1 email.
Last year, I didn't even realize that the discussion of promoting i386 as a
tier 1 architecture was a joke until someone blatantly mentioned i
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard
> wrote:
> >
> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
> >
> >> That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
> >> desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
>
>> That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
>> desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the Linux
>> desktop" and start to rip out the pieces of
>
> On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
>> and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can be a
>> worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop.
sd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd-
> > advoc...@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 12:11:19PM +0500, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> > >
> > > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
> > >
> >
-Original Message-
> From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Randi Harper
>
>You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are
>going to step up and say "Well, I run FreeBSD on my >desktop! It's totally
On 2014-04-01 03:11, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
>
> 1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete
> top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying to
> idle the processor whenever possible to achieve that. You need to optimize
> all of the hot-spo
On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Sean Bruno wrote:
> Why even bother? Its over, just embrace the future and be like this
> happy Mac user:
>
> http://people.freebsd.org/~sbruno/happy_desktop_user.jpg
I have Macs at work (typing on one now), and a mac at home. I like them.
I recently installed Fr
Sorry,
should have replied to everybody ;)
Cheers
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Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market
Date: Tuesday 01 April 2014, 17:34:28
From: Stefan Wendler
To: freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org
Hi,
On Monday 31 March 2014 22:46:45 Eitan Adler wrote:
> Hi
educational experience. While FreeBSD
> can be coerced to do the right thing, it is rarely there by default
> and often doesn't work as well as we would expect.
Ha, ha, ha. Reminds me of the long running 04-01 gag stating that
kernel.org ran on FreeBSD.
As to "Leaving the Desktop
On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
> and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can be a
> worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop.
> In shor
it goes that way due to
some update unfortunately.
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> Subject: Leaving the Desktop Market
>
> Hi all,
>
> Some
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 22:46 -0700, Eitan Adler wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
> and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can
> be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
> desktop. In sho
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
> That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
> desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the Linux
> desktop" and start to rip out the pieces of the OS not needed for
> server or embedded use.
>
> Some of y
On 4/1/2014 1:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
desktop. In short, it is an educational
Hice April 1st piece,
Let's see what I could contribute :)
On 01.04.14 08:46, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 12:11:19PM +0500, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
>
> > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
> > desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the Linux
> > desktop" and start to rip out
On 1 Apr 2014, at 08:11, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> 1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete
> top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying to
> idle the processor whenever possible to achieve that. You need to optimize
> all of the hot-
Hi,
On 04/01/14 07:46, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
desktop. In short, it is an educatio
On 4/1/14, 1:46 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all
Hey it's not an apr 1 joke if it's true..
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Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
desktop. In short, it is an educational experience. While FreeBSD
can be coerced
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