Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-29 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
How about GPU 2D & 3D support for Vivante GC2000?

There seem to be some open source driver out there but its GPL

GPU acceleration for 2D and 3D is a must for us and if it is only a matter
of a few programmers time and effort we can invest in it.

Can there be any blocking things like proprietary software/hardware etc?


--
Johannes Lundberg
BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ian Lepore  wrote:

> On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. All
> the
> > images are with the expansion board attached..
> >
> > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my
> hardware
> > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware bugs
> and
> > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other
> > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open
> > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences with
> > this?
>
> The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check
> that for anything specific that would matter to your projects.
>
> For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with
> the hardware.  That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots
> of gpio (inputs and outputs).  The ethernet is gigabit but has a known
> limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip.  (But
> hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :)
>
> You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 yet,
> but there's not a ton of work to do.  There's a framebuffer driver for
> imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware.  Getting
> video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work.  Getting it to
> an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers written,
> potentially, I haven't looked into it).
>
> Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about
> it yet.
>
> -- Ian
>
>
>

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
秘密保持について:この電子メールは、名宛人に送信したものであり、秘匿特権の対象となる情報を含んでいます。
もし、名宛人以外の方が受信された場合、このメールの破棄、およびこのメールに関する一切の開示、
複写、配布、その他の利用、または記載内容に基づくいかなる行動もされないようお願い申し上げます。
---
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential
and intended solely for the addressee.
Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this
email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited.
If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in
error, please destroy the original message.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-29 Thread Ganbold Tsagaankhuu
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Lundberg, Johannes <
johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote:

> What I'm most worried about is the graphics stack.. Some companies don't
> seem so keen on handing out specs.


I think you can check some open source implementations for those GPU
related things (only for linux maybe):

For Vivante:
https://github.com/laanwj/etna_viv/wiki

For Adreno:
http://freedreno.github.io

For Mali:
http://limadriver.org

I guess they are mostly based on reverse engineering effort. I think you
can even ask about the statuses directly from the authors/maintainers on
some irc channel.

Not sure about Tegra or PowerVR.

Ganbold




>
>
> On Thursday, January 29, 2015, Ganbold Tsagaankhuu 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Lundberg, Johannes <
>> johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> Thanks again for all the replies.
>>>
>>> How is the support for A15 and how is Qualcomm to work with when it comes
>>> to porting?
>>>
>>> Thinking about this guy which is closer to what I want spec-wise..
>>>
>>> http://www.variscite.com/products/system-on-module-som/cortex-a15-krait/var-som-sd600-cpu-qualcomm-snapdragon600
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I think IFC6410 has same SoC as above SoM and as for ifc6410 either
>> mmc/sd or usb ehci driver needed in order to boot FreeBSD into multi user
>> mode.
>>
>> Ganbold
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Johannes Lundberg
>>> BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Bernd Walter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 05:36:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
>>> > > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
>>> > > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough.
>>> > All the
>>> > > > images are with the expansion board attached..
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my
>>> > hardware
>>> > > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware
>>> > bugs and
>>> > > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In
>>> other
>>> > > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open
>>> > > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences
>>> > with
>>> > > > this?
>>> > >
>>> > > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check
>>> > > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects.
>>> >
>>> > If you use a prebuild module then you don't get much in touch with
>>> > the freescale chip fropm the hardware side.
>>> > On the other hand, there are countless iMX6 boards out there with
>>> > schematics online.
>>> > My recently bought Novena even came with printed schematics and they
>>> > open sourced the HW design files as well.
>>> > I don't think there are hidden surprises on the hardware side.
>>> >
>>> > > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with
>>> > > the hardware.  That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and
>>> lots
>>> > > of gpio (inputs and outputs).  The ethernet is gigabit but has a
>>> known
>>> > > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip.
>>> (But
>>> > > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :)
>>> > >
>>> > > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6
>>> yet,
>>> > > but there's not a ton of work to do.  There's a framebuffer driver
>>> for
>>> > > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware.  Getting
>>> > > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work.  Getting
>>> it to
>>> > > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers
>>> written,
>>> > > potentially, I haven't looked into it).
>>> >
>>> > Sounds interesting for my Novena.
>>> > The one I already got are board only (with some FPGA breakout, ...).
>>> > They have HDMI though.
>>> > But I'm also awaiting for the one with case and LCD panel.
>>> > Not to forget that I have a fairy EDM carrier with LCD already.
>>> > That said I'v always wondered how much work is it to get the camera
>>> > interface running, since the Hummingboards can connect to the RPi
>>> > camera modules.
>>> >
>>> > > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much
>>> about
>>> > > it yet.
>>> > >
>>> > > -- Ian
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > B.Walter  http://www.bwct.de
>>> > Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>> 秘密保持について:この電子メールは、名宛人に送信したものであり、秘匿特権の対象となる情報を含んでいます。
>>> もし、名宛人以外の方が受信された場合、このメールの破棄、およびこのメールに関する一切の開示、
>>> 複写、配布、その他の利用、または記載内容に基づくいかなる行動もされないようお願い申し上げます。
>>> ---
>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential
>>> and intended solely for the addressee.
>>> Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this
>>> email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited.
>>> If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in
>>> error, p

Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-29 Thread Bernd Walter
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:39:30AM +, Andrew Turner wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:27:08 +0900
> "Lundberg, Johannes"  wrote:
> 
> > What I'm most worried about is the graphics stack.. Some companies
> > don't seem so keen on handing out specs.
> 
> The only ARM vendor I know that has released documentation on their 3D
> hardware is Broadcom [1]. The only options for this are the Raspberry
> Pi or one of the mobile phones with a Broadcom CPU. I neither option to
> be applicable for your requirements.

On the other hand people still struggle when it comes to CPI on RPi,
because it is handled by the GPU.
I'm still not so sure about this Broadcom SoC.
This is the reason why I like that the RPi Camera header is also used
on the Hummingboard and the BanannaPi.
The Hummingboard is an iMX6.
The BanannaPi unfortunately is an Allwinner and their datasheets are
AFAIK chinese only and IIRC also under NDA.

The Novena crown funding included iMX6 2D/3D driver development for Linux
as a met stretch goal:
https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop/stretch-goals
https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
I don't know how much of the results will be useable for us, but at
least some people seem to have access to enough documentation.

> Andrew
> 
> [1]
> http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf

-- 
B.Walter  http://www.bwct.de
Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"


Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-29 Thread Andrew Turner
On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:27:08 +0900
"Lundberg, Johannes"  wrote:

> What I'm most worried about is the graphics stack.. Some companies
> don't seem so keen on handing out specs.

The only ARM vendor I know that has released documentation on their 3D
hardware is Broadcom [1]. The only options for this are the Raspberry
Pi or one of the mobile phones with a Broadcom CPU. I neither option to
be applicable for your requirements.

Andrew

[1]
http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"


Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-29 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
What I'm most worried about is the graphics stack.. Some companies don't
seem so keen on handing out specs.

On Thursday, January 29, 2015, Ganbold Tsagaankhuu 
wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Lundberg, Johannes <
> johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Thanks again for all the replies.
>>
>> How is the support for A15 and how is Qualcomm to work with when it comes
>> to porting?
>>
>> Thinking about this guy which is closer to what I want spec-wise..
>>
>> http://www.variscite.com/products/system-on-module-som/cortex-a15-krait/var-som-sd600-cpu-qualcomm-snapdragon600
>>
>>
>>
> I think IFC6410 has same SoC as above SoM and as for ifc6410 either mmc/sd
> or usb ehci driver needed in order to boot FreeBSD into multi user mode.
>
> Ganbold
>
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Johannes Lundberg
>> BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Bernd Walter > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 05:36:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
>> > > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
>> > > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough.
>> > All the
>> > > > images are with the expansion board attached..
>> > > >
>> > > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my
>> > hardware
>> > > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware
>> > bugs and
>> > > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In
>> other
>> > > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open
>> > > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences
>> > with
>> > > > this?
>> > >
>> > > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check
>> > > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects.
>> >
>> > If you use a prebuild module then you don't get much in touch with
>> > the freescale chip fropm the hardware side.
>> > On the other hand, there are countless iMX6 boards out there with
>> > schematics online.
>> > My recently bought Novena even came with printed schematics and they
>> > open sourced the HW design files as well.
>> > I don't think there are hidden surprises on the hardware side.
>> >
>> > > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with
>> > > the hardware.  That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and
>> lots
>> > > of gpio (inputs and outputs).  The ethernet is gigabit but has a known
>> > > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip.
>> (But
>> > > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :)
>> > >
>> > > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6
>> yet,
>> > > but there's not a ton of work to do.  There's a framebuffer driver for
>> > > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware.  Getting
>> > > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work.  Getting it
>> to
>> > > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers
>> written,
>> > > potentially, I haven't looked into it).
>> >
>> > Sounds interesting for my Novena.
>> > The one I already got are board only (with some FPGA breakout, ...).
>> > They have HDMI though.
>> > But I'm also awaiting for the one with case and LCD panel.
>> > Not to forget that I have a fairy EDM carrier with LCD already.
>> > That said I'v always wondered how much work is it to get the camera
>> > interface running, since the Hummingboards can connect to the RPi
>> > camera modules.
>> >
>> > > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about
>> > > it yet.
>> > >
>> > > -- Ian
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > B.Walter >
>> http://www.bwct.de
>> > Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
>> >
>>
>> --
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> 秘密保持について:この電子メールは、名宛人に送信したものであり、秘匿特権の対象となる情報を含んでいます。
>> もし、名宛人以外の方が受信された場合、このメールの破棄、およびこのメールに関する一切の開示、
>> 複写、配布、その他の利用、または記載内容に基づくいかなる行動もされないようお願い申し上げます。
>> ---
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential
>> and intended solely for the addressee.
>> Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this
>> email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited.
>> If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in
>> error, please destroy the original message.
>> ___
>> freebsd-current@freebsd.org
>>  mailing
>> list
>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
>> 
>> "
>
>
>

-- 
--
Johannes Lundberg
BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD.

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
秘密保持について:この電子メールは、名宛人に送信したものであり、秘匿特権の対象となる情報を含んでいます。
もし、名宛人以外の方が受信された場合、このメールの破棄、およびこのメールに関する一切の開示、
複写、配布、その他の利用、または記載内容に基づくいかなる行動もされないようお願い申し上げます。
---
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential
and intended solely for the addressee.
Disclosure

Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-29 Thread Ganbold Tsagaankhuu
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Lundberg, Johannes <
johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Thanks again for all the replies.
>
> How is the support for A15 and how is Qualcomm to work with when it comes
> to porting?
>
> Thinking about this guy which is closer to what I want spec-wise..
>
> http://www.variscite.com/products/system-on-module-som/cortex-a15-krait/var-som-sd600-cpu-qualcomm-snapdragon600
>
>
>
I think IFC6410 has same SoC as above SoM and as for ifc6410 either mmc/sd
or usb ehci driver needed in order to boot FreeBSD into multi user mode.

Ganbold



>
> --
> Johannes Lundberg
> BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD.
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Bernd Walter 
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 05:36:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> > > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough.
> > All the
> > > > images are with the expansion board attached..
> > > >
> > > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my
> > hardware
> > > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware
> > bugs and
> > > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In
> other
> > > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open
> > > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences
> > with
> > > > this?
> > >
> > > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check
> > > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects.
> >
> > If you use a prebuild module then you don't get much in touch with
> > the freescale chip fropm the hardware side.
> > On the other hand, there are countless iMX6 boards out there with
> > schematics online.
> > My recently bought Novena even came with printed schematics and they
> > open sourced the HW design files as well.
> > I don't think there are hidden surprises on the hardware side.
> >
> > > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with
> > > the hardware.  That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots
> > > of gpio (inputs and outputs).  The ethernet is gigabit but has a known
> > > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip.
> (But
> > > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :)
> > >
> > > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6
> yet,
> > > but there's not a ton of work to do.  There's a framebuffer driver for
> > > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware.  Getting
> > > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work.  Getting it
> to
> > > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers
> written,
> > > potentially, I haven't looked into it).
> >
> > Sounds interesting for my Novena.
> > The one I already got are board only (with some FPGA breakout, ...).
> > They have HDMI though.
> > But I'm also awaiting for the one with case and LCD panel.
> > Not to forget that I have a fairy EDM carrier with LCD already.
> > That said I'v always wondered how much work is it to get the camera
> > interface running, since the Hummingboards can connect to the RPi
> > camera modules.
> >
> > > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about
> > > it yet.
> > >
> > > -- Ian
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > B.Walter  http://www.bwct.de
> > Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
> >
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 秘密保持について:この電子メールは、名宛人に送信したものであり、秘匿特権の対象となる情報を含んでいます。
> もし、名宛人以外の方が受信された場合、このメールの破棄、およびこのメールに関する一切の開示、
> 複写、配布、その他の利用、または記載内容に基づくいかなる行動もされないようお願い申し上げます。
> ---
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential
> and intended solely for the addressee.
> Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this
> email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited.
> If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in
> error, please destroy the original message.
> ___
> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-29 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
Hi All

Thanks again for all the replies.

How is the support for A15 and how is Qualcomm to work with when it comes
to porting?

Thinking about this guy which is closer to what I want spec-wise..
http://www.variscite.com/products/system-on-module-som/cortex-a15-krait/var-som-sd600-cpu-qualcomm-snapdragon600



--
Johannes Lundberg
BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Bernd Walter 
wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 05:36:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
> > On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> > > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough.
> All the
> > > images are with the expansion board attached..
> > >
> > > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my
> hardware
> > > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware
> bugs and
> > > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other
> > > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open
> > > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences
> with
> > > this?
> >
> > The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check
> > that for anything specific that would matter to your projects.
>
> If you use a prebuild module then you don't get much in touch with
> the freescale chip fropm the hardware side.
> On the other hand, there are countless iMX6 boards out there with
> schematics online.
> My recently bought Novena even came with printed schematics and they
> open sourced the HW design files as well.
> I don't think there are hidden surprises on the hardware side.
>
> > For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with
> > the hardware.  That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots
> > of gpio (inputs and outputs).  The ethernet is gigabit but has a known
> > limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip.  (But
> > hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :)
> >
> > You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 yet,
> > but there's not a ton of work to do.  There's a framebuffer driver for
> > imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware.  Getting
> > video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work.  Getting it to
> > an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers written,
> > potentially, I haven't looked into it).
>
> Sounds interesting for my Novena.
> The one I already got are board only (with some FPGA breakout, ...).
> They have HDMI though.
> But I'm also awaiting for the one with case and LCD panel.
> Not to forget that I have a fairy EDM carrier with LCD already.
> That said I'v always wondered how much work is it to get the camera
> interface running, since the Hummingboards can connect to the RPi
> camera modules.
>
> > Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about
> > it yet.
> >
> > -- Ian
> >
> >
>
> --
> B.Walter  http://www.bwct.de
> Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
>

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
秘密保持について:この電子メールは、名宛人に送信したものであり、秘匿特権の対象となる情報を含んでいます。
もし、名宛人以外の方が受信された場合、このメールの破棄、およびこのメールに関する一切の開示、
複写、配布、その他の利用、または記載内容に基づくいかなる行動もされないようお願い申し上げます。
---
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential
and intended solely for the addressee.
Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this
email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited.
If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in
error, please destroy the original message.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Bernd Walter
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 05:36:00PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. All the
> > images are with the expansion board attached..
> > 
> > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my hardware
> > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware bugs and
> > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other
> > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open
> > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences with
> > this?
> 
> The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check
> that for anything specific that would matter to your projects.

If you use a prebuild module then you don't get much in touch with
the freescale chip fropm the hardware side.
On the other hand, there are countless iMX6 boards out there with
schematics online.
My recently bought Novena even came with printed schematics and they
open sourced the HW design files as well.
I don't think there are hidden surprises on the hardware side.

> For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with
> the hardware.  That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots
> of gpio (inputs and outputs).  The ethernet is gigabit but has a known
> limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip.  (But
> hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :)
> 
> You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 yet,
> but there's not a ton of work to do.  There's a framebuffer driver for
> imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware.  Getting
> video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work.  Getting it to
> an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers written,
> potentially, I haven't looked into it).

Sounds interesting for my Novena.
The one I already got are board only (with some FPGA breakout, ...).
They have HDMI though.
But I'm also awaiting for the one with case and LCD panel.
Not to forget that I have a fairy EDM carrier with LCD already.
That said I'v always wondered how much work is it to get the camera
interface running, since the Hummingboards can connect to the RPi
camera modules.

> Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about
> it yet.
> 
> -- Ian
> 
> 

-- 
B.Walter  http://www.bwct.de
Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"


Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
How about these Tegra3 boards?

https://www.toradex.com/computer-on-modules/apalis-arm-family/nvidia-tegra-3


--
Johannes Lundberg
BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ian Lepore  wrote:

> On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> > Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. All
> the
> > images are with the expansion board attached..
> >
> > Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my
> hardware
> > guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware bugs
> and
> > rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other
> > words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open
> > documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences with
> > this?
>
> The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check
> that for anything specific that would matter to your projects.
>
> For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with
> the hardware.  That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots
> of gpio (inputs and outputs).  The ethernet is gigabit but has a known
> limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip.  (But
> hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :)
>
> You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 yet,
> but there's not a ton of work to do.  There's a framebuffer driver for
> imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware.  Getting
> video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work.  Getting it to
> an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers written,
> potentially, I haven't looked into it).
>
> Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about
> it yet.
>
> -- Ian
>
>
>

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
秘密保持について:この電子メールは、名宛人に送信したものであり、秘匿特権の対象となる情報を含んでいます。
もし、名宛人以外の方が受信された場合、このメールの破棄、およびこのメールに関する一切の開示、
複写、配布、その他の利用、または記載内容に基づくいかなる行動もされないようお願い申し上げます。
---
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential
and intended solely for the addressee.
Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this
email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited.
If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in
error, please destroy the original message.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Ian Lepore
On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 09:12 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. All the
> images are with the expansion board attached..
> 
> Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my hardware
> guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware bugs and
> rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other
> words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open
> documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences with
> this?

The imx6 manuals include an errata list, so it would be good to check
that for anything specific that would matter to your projects.

For the devices we use in our products everything is good so far with
the hardware.  That's emmc, sdcard, ethernet, i2c, uarts, usb, and lots
of gpio (inputs and outputs).  The ethernet is gigabit but has a known
limitation of 40MB/s due to the bus it's connected to in the chip.  (But
hey, it's documented so it's not a problem, right? :)

You mentioned video, and we don't have that working on freebsd imx6 yet,
but there's not a ton of work to do.  There's a framebuffer driver for
imx5 and it has pretty much the same framebuffer hardware.  Getting
video output to a TTL LCD is probably just hours of work.  Getting it to
an LVDS LCD or HDMI probably needs days of work (entire drivers written,
potentially, I haven't looked into it).

Some audio support was recently committed, but I don't know much about
it yet.

-- Ian


___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"


Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
Ah now I see it has EDM connection. I didn't look carefully enough. All the
images are with the expansion board attached..

Spec-wise and portability-wise it seems like a good option but my hardware
guy keeps warning me about Freescale that they often have hardware bugs and
rather than fixing the bugs they pretend they are not there.. In other
words, Freescale is good for software developers because of open
documentation but not so for hardware manufactures. Any experiences with
this?

--
Johannes Lundberg
BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Ian Lepore  wrote:

> On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 08:28 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> > By the way, this is for an embedded mobile device so we are looking for
> > something more like
> >
> >
> http://www.kontron.com/products/computeronmodules/smarc/smarc-samx6i.html
> >
> > instead of Wandboard which has all the connectors that we won't use.
>
> That's similar to the EDM module that wandboards use:
>
> http://www.technexion.com/products/edm/edm-som/edm1-cf-imx6
>
> You can buy the EDM modules directly from Technexion if you're willing
> to buy quantity, or through resellers like Digikey.  The EDM modules
> from technexion are compatible with the wandboard carrier boards, so you
> can use a few cheap wandboards as devel and eval boards (or you can buy
> the overpriced "fairyboard" carrier from technexion that has PCIe
> connectors that wandboard lacks).
>
> We're using these modules at $work, and that's basically the path I
> took... I started with a wandboard and got freebsd running on it, and
> once it got past the proof of concept stage (the minimum set of drivers
> for the imx6 devices we need, and reasonable freebsd stability -- I had
> a board running a stress test with 2 months of uptime) we designed our
> own motherboards with EDM sockets on them.
>
> -- Ian
>
>

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
秘密保持について:この電子メールは、名宛人に送信したものであり、秘匿特権の対象となる情報を含んでいます。
もし、名宛人以外の方が受信された場合、このメールの破棄、およびこのメールに関する一切の開示、
複写、配布、その他の利用、または記載内容に基づくいかなる行動もされないようお願い申し上げます。
---
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential
and intended solely for the addressee.
Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this
email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited.
If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in
error, please destroy the original message.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Ian Lepore
On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 08:28 +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> By the way, this is for an embedded mobile device so we are looking for
> something more like
> 
> http://www.kontron.com/products/computeronmodules/smarc/smarc-samx6i.html
> 
> instead of Wandboard which has all the connectors that we won't use.

That's similar to the EDM module that wandboards use:

http://www.technexion.com/products/edm/edm-som/edm1-cf-imx6

You can buy the EDM modules directly from Technexion if you're willing
to buy quantity, or through resellers like Digikey.  The EDM modules
from technexion are compatible with the wandboard carrier boards, so you
can use a few cheap wandboards as devel and eval boards (or you can buy
the overpriced "fairyboard" carrier from technexion that has PCIe
connectors that wandboard lacks).

We're using these modules at $work, and that's basically the path I
took... I started with a wandboard and got freebsd running on it, and
once it got past the proof of concept stage (the minimum set of drivers
for the imx6 devices we need, and reasonable freebsd stability -- I had
a board running a stress test with 2 months of uptime) we designed our
own motherboards with EDM sockets on them.

-- Ian

___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"


Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Bernd Walter
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 08:28:58AM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> By the way, this is for an embedded mobile device so we are looking for
> something more like
> 
> http://www.kontron.com/products/computeronmodules/smarc/smarc-samx6i.html
> 
> instead of Wandboard which has all the connectors that we won't use.

Don't get confused with the wandboard module+carrier board, which is
the normal offer (and in small volumes often cheaper than the 10x
module pack).
The Wandboard module alone is extremly similar to the Kontron modules
in your link.
They don't have eMMC (maybe some of the TechNexion have), but they
do have a micro-SD on the module itself, plus SDIO on the module header.
eMMC can have a higher transport speed because it allows for 8bit instead
of 4bit and as soldered chip it has different issued than a socketed card,
but otherwise they are very similar in design.
The 2 and 4 core Wandboards have BT/WLAN on module, but it is done by SDIO,
for which FreeBSD (to my knowledge) has no support yet.

-- 
B.Walter  http://www.bwct.de
Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"


Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
By the way, this is for an embedded mobile device so we are looking for
something more like

http://www.kontron.com/products/computeronmodules/smarc/smarc-samx6i.html

instead of Wandboard which has all the connectors that we won't use.


--
Johannes Lundberg
BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Lundberg, Johannes <
johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote:

> Thanks a lot guys.
>
> I can specify a bit more details.
> We don't need any sd-card, sata or external storage. Just the internal
> eMMC is enough.
> Display output can be DSI, LVDS or something that can easily be serialized
> to transfer over 2 wires.
> If WiFi and Bluetooth 4.0 is on the board that'll also be great.
> And of course, it would be helpful if the said board also is available as
> development kit...
>
> If the first tests are ok (tests can be done using Linux if FreeBSD
> doesn't run out of the box) we're looking to buy a larger amount, at least
> >1000 to start with.
>
> We are flexible about prize and size of the board.
>
> Atom is preferable over imx6, but I'll check out what you recommended.
> Thanks again!
>
> Ps. Hopefully we can also provide development boards for anyone who wants
> to help with porting out of own interest.
>
> --
> Johannes Lundberg
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Bernd Walter 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:27:31PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 19:32 +0100, Bernd Walter wrote:
>> > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:52:52PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
>> > > > Hi
>> > > >
>> > > > Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out
>> there which
>> > > > have best support for FreeBSD?
>> > > >
>> > > > MEN
>> > > > Variscite
>> > > > Technologic system
>> > > > Adlink
>> > > > etc.
>> > > >
>> > > > What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs
>> > > > ARM or x86, 64bit if possible.
>> > > > 2-4 cores
>> > > > 1.5-2.0 GHz
>> > > > 2 GB RAM
>> > > > ~16 GB Storage
>> > > > USB 3.0
>> > > > PCB size about one to two credit cards.
>> > >
>> > > In that range I would go for a Wandboard.
>> > > They are 1, 2 or 4 core iMX6 32bit with 512M, 1G or 2G RAM.
>> > > The 4 core has SATA, which to my knowledge we don't support yet.
>> > > They come with 2 useable SD-card slots - one on the module and one
>> > > on a carrier board.
>> > > Clock rate is 1GHz only IIRC and they only have high speed USB,
>> although
>> > > the newest carrier boards have some super speed wiring for future
>> modules.
>> > >
>> > > TechNexion, the originator of that module system also has some
>> > > x86 boards - some may fit your requirements, but those are at
>> > > a higher price and bigger form factor.
>> > > Tech Nexion also has iMX6 boards similar to the wandboard with
>> > > different featuresets, but also at a higher price.
>> >
>> > You do get more for that higher price with the Technexion EDM modules,
>> > namely 1.2ghz chips instead of 1.0, and parts that are industrial and/or
>> > automotive temperature-rated rather than consumer grade.  On the other
>> > hand, you generally can't buy Technexion modules one at a time.  Last
>> > time I checked they were minimum order 10 pieces even from resellers
>> > like Mouser and Digikey.
>>
>> Temperature rating - that can easily justify the higher price.
>>
>> > Another small-board imx6 possibility is the Hummingboard from SolidRun.
>> > I now have freebsd running on a SolidRun Cubox-i4, so I expect no large
>> > drama in getting it working on other SolidRun imx6 products.  Gonzo
>> > ordered a Hummingboard recently, so we should know for sure some time
>> > soon.
>>
>> To my knowledge they come in 3 different sizes.
>> I own the biggest two versions of them.
>> Completely forgot that the Hummingboard uses modules as well and the
>> modules are even very small.
>>
>> --
>> B.Walter  http://www.bwct.de
>> Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
>>
>
>

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
秘密保持について:この電子メールは、名宛人に送信したものであり、秘匿特権の対象となる情報を含んでいます。
もし、名宛人以外の方が受信された場合、このメールの破棄、およびこのメールに関する一切の開示、
複写、配布、その他の利用、または記載内容に基づくいかなる行動もされないようお願い申し上げます。
---
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential
and intended solely for the addressee.
Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this
email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited.
If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in
error, please destroy the original message.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
Thanks a lot guys.

I can specify a bit more details.
We don't need any sd-card, sata or external storage. Just the internal eMMC
is enough.
Display output can be DSI, LVDS or something that can easily be serialized
to transfer over 2 wires.
If WiFi and Bluetooth 4.0 is on the board that'll also be great.
And of course, it would be helpful if the said board also is available as
development kit...

If the first tests are ok (tests can be done using Linux if FreeBSD doesn't
run out of the box) we're looking to buy a larger amount, at least >1000 to
start with.

We are flexible about prize and size of the board.

Atom is preferable over imx6, but I'll check out what you recommended.
Thanks again!

Ps. Hopefully we can also provide development boards for anyone who wants
to help with porting out of own interest.

--
Johannes Lundberg

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Bernd Walter 
wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:27:31PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
> > On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 19:32 +0100, Bernd Walter wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:52:52PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out there
> which
> > > > have best support for FreeBSD?
> > > >
> > > > MEN
> > > > Variscite
> > > > Technologic system
> > > > Adlink
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs
> > > > ARM or x86, 64bit if possible.
> > > > 2-4 cores
> > > > 1.5-2.0 GHz
> > > > 2 GB RAM
> > > > ~16 GB Storage
> > > > USB 3.0
> > > > PCB size about one to two credit cards.
> > >
> > > In that range I would go for a Wandboard.
> > > They are 1, 2 or 4 core iMX6 32bit with 512M, 1G or 2G RAM.
> > > The 4 core has SATA, which to my knowledge we don't support yet.
> > > They come with 2 useable SD-card slots - one on the module and one
> > > on a carrier board.
> > > Clock rate is 1GHz only IIRC and they only have high speed USB,
> although
> > > the newest carrier boards have some super speed wiring for future
> modules.
> > >
> > > TechNexion, the originator of that module system also has some
> > > x86 boards - some may fit your requirements, but those are at
> > > a higher price and bigger form factor.
> > > Tech Nexion also has iMX6 boards similar to the wandboard with
> > > different featuresets, but also at a higher price.
> >
> > You do get more for that higher price with the Technexion EDM modules,
> > namely 1.2ghz chips instead of 1.0, and parts that are industrial and/or
> > automotive temperature-rated rather than consumer grade.  On the other
> > hand, you generally can't buy Technexion modules one at a time.  Last
> > time I checked they were minimum order 10 pieces even from resellers
> > like Mouser and Digikey.
>
> Temperature rating - that can easily justify the higher price.
>
> > Another small-board imx6 possibility is the Hummingboard from SolidRun.
> > I now have freebsd running on a SolidRun Cubox-i4, so I expect no large
> > drama in getting it working on other SolidRun imx6 products.  Gonzo
> > ordered a Hummingboard recently, so we should know for sure some time
> > soon.
>
> To my knowledge they come in 3 different sizes.
> I own the biggest two versions of them.
> Completely forgot that the Hummingboard uses modules as well and the
> modules are even very small.
>
> --
> B.Walter  http://www.bwct.de
> Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
>

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
秘密保持について:この電子メールは、名宛人に送信したものであり、秘匿特権の対象となる情報を含んでいます。
もし、名宛人以外の方が受信された場合、このメールの破棄、およびこのメールに関する一切の開示、
複写、配布、その他の利用、または記載内容に基づくいかなる行動もされないようお願い申し上げます。
---
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential
and intended solely for the addressee.
Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this
email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited.
If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in
error, please destroy the original message.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Bernd Walter
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:27:31PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 19:32 +0100, Bernd Walter wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:52:52PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out there which
> > > have best support for FreeBSD?
> > > 
> > > MEN
> > > Variscite
> > > Technologic system
> > > Adlink
> > > etc.
> > > 
> > > What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs
> > > ARM or x86, 64bit if possible.
> > > 2-4 cores
> > > 1.5-2.0 GHz
> > > 2 GB RAM
> > > ~16 GB Storage
> > > USB 3.0
> > > PCB size about one to two credit cards.
> > 
> > In that range I would go for a Wandboard.
> > They are 1, 2 or 4 core iMX6 32bit with 512M, 1G or 2G RAM.
> > The 4 core has SATA, which to my knowledge we don't support yet.
> > They come with 2 useable SD-card slots - one on the module and one
> > on a carrier board.
> > Clock rate is 1GHz only IIRC and they only have high speed USB, although
> > the newest carrier boards have some super speed wiring for future modules.
> > 
> > TechNexion, the originator of that module system also has some
> > x86 boards - some may fit your requirements, but those are at
> > a higher price and bigger form factor.
> > Tech Nexion also has iMX6 boards similar to the wandboard with
> > different featuresets, but also at a higher price.
> 
> You do get more for that higher price with the Technexion EDM modules,
> namely 1.2ghz chips instead of 1.0, and parts that are industrial and/or
> automotive temperature-rated rather than consumer grade.  On the other
> hand, you generally can't buy Technexion modules one at a time.  Last
> time I checked they were minimum order 10 pieces even from resellers
> like Mouser and Digikey.

Temperature rating - that can easily justify the higher price.

> Another small-board imx6 possibility is the Hummingboard from SolidRun.
> I now have freebsd running on a SolidRun Cubox-i4, so I expect no large
> drama in getting it working on other SolidRun imx6 products.  Gonzo
> ordered a Hummingboard recently, so we should know for sure some time
> soon.

To my knowledge they come in 3 different sizes.
I own the biggest two versions of them.
Completely forgot that the Hummingboard uses modules as well and the
modules are even very small.

-- 
B.Walter  http://www.bwct.de
Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"


Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Ian Lepore
On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 19:32 +0100, Bernd Walter wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:52:52PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out there which
> > have best support for FreeBSD?
> > 
> > MEN
> > Variscite
> > Technologic system
> > Adlink
> > etc.
> > 
> > What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs
> > ARM or x86, 64bit if possible.
> > 2-4 cores
> > 1.5-2.0 GHz
> > 2 GB RAM
> > ~16 GB Storage
> > USB 3.0
> > PCB size about one to two credit cards.
> 
> In that range I would go for a Wandboard.
> They are 1, 2 or 4 core iMX6 32bit with 512M, 1G or 2G RAM.
> The 4 core has SATA, which to my knowledge we don't support yet.
> They come with 2 useable SD-card slots - one on the module and one
> on a carrier board.
> Clock rate is 1GHz only IIRC and they only have high speed USB, although
> the newest carrier boards have some super speed wiring for future modules.
> 
> TechNexion, the originator of that module system also has some
> x86 boards - some may fit your requirements, but those are at
> a higher price and bigger form factor.
> Tech Nexion also has iMX6 boards similar to the wandboard with
> different featuresets, but also at a higher price.

You do get more for that higher price with the Technexion EDM modules,
namely 1.2ghz chips instead of 1.0, and parts that are industrial and/or
automotive temperature-rated rather than consumer grade.  On the other
hand, you generally can't buy Technexion modules one at a time.  Last
time I checked they were minimum order 10 pieces even from resellers
like Mouser and Digikey.

Another small-board imx6 possibility is the Hummingboard from SolidRun.
I now have freebsd running on a SolidRun Cubox-i4, so I expect no large
drama in getting it working on other SolidRun imx6 products.  Gonzo
ordered a Hummingboard recently, so we should know for sure some time
soon.

-- Ian


___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"


Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Andreas Nilsson
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Lundberg, Johannes <
johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out there which
> have best support for FreeBSD?
>
> MEN
> Variscite
> Technologic system
> Adlink
> etc.
>
> What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs
> ARM or x86, 64bit if possible.
> 2-4 cores
> 1.5-2.0 GHz
> 2 GB RAM
> ~16 GB Storage
> USB 3.0
> PCB size about one to two credit cards.
>
> I wish to minimize the amount of porting needed so I am very grateful if
> someone has good insights in this area. And of course, it would help a lot
> if it was a manufacturer who is willing to provide datasheets to make
> porting possible..
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Johannes Lundberg
>
> Something like
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/specifications/fitlet-models-specifications/
perhaps?

Though I don't think it is available yet, so I don't know if it is
supported in FreeBSD.

Best regards
Andreas
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"


Re: System-On-Module

2015-01-28 Thread Bernd Walter
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:52:52PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Of all the low power, high-spec system/computer-on-modules out there which
> have best support for FreeBSD?
> 
> MEN
> Variscite
> Technologic system
> Adlink
> etc.
> 
> What I am looking for is a system with roughly this specs
> ARM or x86, 64bit if possible.
> 2-4 cores
> 1.5-2.0 GHz
> 2 GB RAM
> ~16 GB Storage
> USB 3.0
> PCB size about one to two credit cards.

In that range I would go for a Wandboard.
They are 1, 2 or 4 core iMX6 32bit with 512M, 1G or 2G RAM.
The 4 core has SATA, which to my knowledge we don't support yet.
They come with 2 useable SD-card slots - one on the module and one
on a carrier board.
Clock rate is 1GHz only IIRC and they only have high speed USB, although
the newest carrier boards have some super speed wiring for future modules.

TechNexion, the originator of that module system also has some
x86 boards - some may fit your requirements, but those are at
a higher price and bigger form factor.
Tech Nexion also has iMX6 boards similar to the wandboard with
different featuresets, but also at a higher price.

> I wish to minimize the amount of porting needed so I am very grateful if
> someone has good insights in this area. And of course, it would help a lot
> if it was a manufacturer who is willing to provide datasheets to make
> porting possible..

Freescale is producting the iMX6 and they supply a hughe PDF for them.
Also the wandboard schematics are public available.

-- 
B.Walter  http://www.bwct.de
Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
___
freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"