Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-09 Thread Greg Lehey

On Thursday,  6 January 2000 at 20:05:21 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
 Also, I can now add that cdda2wav does work (hurrah), but it does yelp
 that it can't read the CD TOC.

 Of course, the mystery is that tosha no longer works yet was not
 changed, nor was the ripit script I call tosha from, so something on
 our side of the fence also moved with respect to this drive.

 Any other SCSI CD owners here currently using tosha?  I'd be
 quite interested to know if this is drive-specific.

Not quite the answer you're looking for, but maybe a data point: I get
very similar results on my laptop with the ata driver.   dd fails with
I/O error, and the driver reports:

Jan  9 13:08:13 mojave /kernel: acd0: READ_BIG - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 
error=04

After that, I was no longer able to access the CD, and I had to reboot
the machine.  I might have got away with removing the CD-ROM drive,
but I didn't think of that until I had rebooted.

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp

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w Jacob writes:

Hmm! Better hold the 4.0 Code Freeze until this sorts out!

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-07 Thread Christian Weisgerber

Jordan K. Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Any other SCSI CD owners here currently using tosha?  I'd be
 quite interested to know if this is drive-specific.

Works for me.
4.0-CURRENT from December 19,
Toshiba CD-ROM XM-3601TA 0175,
tosha-0.6.

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-07 Thread Khetan Gajjar

Around Yesterday, "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote :

Many of the opinions I've seen recently are that you jitter correction
isn't necessary for most newer CDROM drives.  If you want jitter
correction, you can port cdd to CAM.

cdda2wav does jitter correction - 
 -P  sectors  --set-overlap
  sets the initial number of overlap sectors for jit-
  ter correction

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So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

If I stick an audio CD in my SCSI (rebadged Toshiba) CDRW drive
and try to read data off of it, I get the following behavior:

root@zippy- dd if=/dev/rcd0c bs=2k of=/dev/null
dd: /dev/rcd0c: Invalid argument
0+0 records in
0+0 records out
and on the console at the same time
(cd0:ahc0:0:4:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 
(cd0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0
(cd0:ahc0:0:4:0): Illegal mode for this track
(cd0:ahc0:0:4:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back
dscheck(#cd/2): b_bcount 512 is not on a sector boundary (ssize 2048)

and I've gotten this behavior for quite some time.  I didn't *use* to
have this behavior, as my mpeg backups of various CDs done on this
same machine can demonstrate, but if we can't even read data off an
audio CD with dd then you can rest assured that utilities like tosha
aren't going to be able to read data either, and that really sucks.

Drive information:

cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0
cd0: SAF CD-R8020 1.20 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device 
cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8)
cd0: cd present [227322 x 2048 byte records]

Controller information:

ahc0: Adaptec aic7850 SCSI adapter irq 10 at device 4.0 on pci2
ahc0: aic7850 Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/255 SCBs

[This is a BIOS-less Advansys controller, used exclusively for the CD
 drive.  The machine also has dual on-board 7895 wide controllers
 which are used just for disk in order to avoid mixing wide and narrow
 devices in (what I consider) less-than-elegant fashion]

I also say "tell me again" because this issue isn't new and I brought
it up back when this first broke.  Justin said it clearly wasn't his
code, SCSI device or no, and phk intimated that maybe it had something
to do with the blockdev stuff and then handed me several patches which
didn't have any effect on the problem.  All I know is that my FreeBSD-current
box has lost a powerful and popular capability and I'm more than willing
to test patches or work with someone in fixing it.  This area of the
kernel isn't my forte', but my love of mp3s may send me in there at
some point if this is still broken as we get close to code freeze. :-)

- Jordan


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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Matthew Jacob


Hmm! Better hold the 4.0 Code Freeze until this sorts out!





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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach

reading raw audio data off a cd with dd did never work for me...
anyway, it would be a good thing(TM) if there was a tool such as
cdparanoia under l*n*x that has all that fancy jitter and scratch
detection and removal (real goodd error correction) and this ones also
really fast (10x speed) when youre reading on a plextor drive (such as
my pxw4220t) or something else that has a native mode for extracting 
audio.

i think, theres a port of tosha available, but the last time i tried
this one it wouldnt work for me so i used the l*n*x box next to my
workstation...

/k

Jordan K. Hubbard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) @ Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:47:31PM -0800:
 If I stick an audio CD in my SCSI (rebadged Toshiba) CDRW drive
 and try to read data off of it, I get the following behavior:
 
 root@zippy- dd if=/dev/rcd0c bs=2k of=/dev/null
 dd: /dev/rcd0c: Invalid argument
 0+0 records in
 0+0 records out
 and on the console at the same time
 (cd0:ahc0:0:4:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 
 (cd0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0
 (cd0:ahc0:0:4:0): Illegal mode for this track
 (cd0:ahc0:0:4:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back
 dscheck(#cd/2): b_bcount 512 is not on a sector boundary (ssize 2048)
 
 and I've gotten this behavior for quite some time.  I didn't *use* to
 have this behavior, as my mpeg backups of various CDs done on this
 same machine can demonstrate, but if we can't even read data off an
 audio CD with dd then you can rest assured that utilities like tosha
 aren't going to be able to read data either, and that really sucks.
 
 Drive information:
 
 cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0
 cd0: SAF CD-R8020 1.20 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device 
 cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8)
 cd0: cd present [227322 x 2048 byte records]
 
 Controller information:
 
 ahc0: Adaptec aic7850 SCSI adapter irq 10 at device 4.0 on pci2
 ahc0: aic7850 Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/255 SCBs
 
 [This is a BIOS-less Advansys controller, used exclusively for the CD
  drive.  The machine also has dual on-board 7895 wide controllers
  which are used just for disk in order to avoid mixing wide and narrow
  devices in (what I consider) less-than-elegant fashion]
 
 I also say "tell me again" because this issue isn't new and I brought
 it up back when this first broke.  Justin said it clearly wasn't his
 code, SCSI device or no, and phk intimated that maybe it had something
 to do with the blockdev stuff and then handed me several patches which
 didn't have any effect on the problem.  All I know is that my FreeBSD-current
 box has lost a powerful and popular capability and I'm more than willing
 to test patches or work with someone in fixing it.  This area of the
 kernel isn't my forte', but my love of mp3s may send me in there at
 some point if this is still broken as we get close to code freeze. :-)
 
 - Jordan
 
 
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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Adam

I believe the cdrdao port had the abilities and some of the code from
paranoia in it.

On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote:

reading raw audio data off a cd with dd did never work for me...
anyway, it would be a good thing(TM) if there was a tool such as
cdparanoia under l*n*x that has all that fancy jitter and scratch
detection and removal (real goodd error correction) and this ones also
really fast (10x speed) when youre reading on a plextor drive (such as
my pxw4220t) or something else that has a native mode for extracting 
audio.

i think, theres a port of tosha available, but the last time i tried
this one it wouldnt work for me so i used the l*n*x box next to my
workstation...




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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Andy Sparrow


On Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 02:03:29AM +0100, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote:
 detection and removal (real goodd error correction) and this ones also
 really fast (10x speed) when youre reading on a plextor drive (such as
 my pxw4220t) or something else that has a native mode for extracting 
 audio.

One of the main reasons for springing the extra $$$ for a Plextor
is that they (unlike most other CDDA implementations) actually got
the firmware right: the beast does jitter correction in firmware,
/and/ reads at near-data speeds whilst it does it.

Many CD drives with buggy implementations jitter like crazy, and/or
won't deliver CDDA much quicker than 1x, regardless of what the
rated data speed is.


  http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~psyche/cdda

is a good resource for software links and reviews of various models
of CD-ROM drives, if CD-DA ripping is of interest. Most good CDR
drives also do a good job of CD-DA ripping (Philips CDD-2000,
Toshiba CW-7502, from my direct experience), but you probably don't
want to wear 'em out doing CD-DA - at least, I know I don't ;-).

Personally, I found that tosha worked perfectly even on a Plextor
6x (the only Plextor with flawed firmware, this is pretty well-known).
:-)

Something like cdparanoia would probably be good for those cheap
IDE CD-ROMs (I bought a couple of 16x Hitachi drives cheap - they
don't do CD-DA very well at all).

Cheers,


AS



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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Warner Losh

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Karsten W. Rohrbach" writes:
: i think, theres a port of tosha available, but the last time i tried
: this one it wouldnt work for me so i used the l*n*x box next to my
: workstation...

Last time I tried Tosha it worked w/o a hitch for me and my 1x cdrom
changer :-)

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

 You mean an Adaptec controller, right?

Yes, I guess Adaptec did buy those guys.

 Try tosha or cdda2wav and report back on whether or not it works.  dd has
 never been a supported way to read audio tracks, for the reasons outlined
 above.  It may be possible in some situations, but it was probably just a
 fluke.

root@zippy- tosha -t 1
Device: /dev/cd0c -- "SAF" "CD-R8020" "1.20"

 track   playing  startend raw size  mp3 size   # of   track
 number   timesector  sector   in bytes  128 kbps  frames  type
-
13:57'58  32   17864   41943216   38052089103  audio
error sending SCSI command: Invalid argument
[and on the console]
(pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): MODE SELECT(06). CDB: 15 10 0 0 c 0 
(pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:26,0
(pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalid field in parameter list

(I've also tried read codes 0xD4 and 0xD8 in addition to 0x28, just
 for fun, but they were invalid ops for this drive).

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Kenneth D. Merry

On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 17:28:23 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
  You mean an Adaptec controller, right?
 
 Yes, I guess Adaptec did buy those guys.
 
  Try tosha or cdda2wav and report back on whether or not it works.  dd has
  never been a supported way to read audio tracks, for the reasons outlined
  above.  It may be possible in some situations, but it was probably just a
  fluke.
 
 root@zippy- tosha -t 1
 Device: /dev/cd0c -- "SAF" "CD-R8020" "1.20"
 
  track   playing  startend raw size  mp3 size   # of   track
  number   timesector  sector   in bytes  128 kbps  frames  type
 -
 13:57'58  32   17864   41943216   38052089103  audio
 error sending SCSI command: Invalid argument
 [and on the console]
 (pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): MODE SELECT(06). CDB: 15 10 0 0 c 0 
 (pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:26,0
 (pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalid field in parameter list
 
 (I've also tried read codes 0xD4 and 0xD8 in addition to 0x28, just
  for fun, but they were invalid ops for this drive).

In addition to trying cdda2wav, here's something else you can try in your
tosharc:

"SAF"  "" "" 0x28 1 0x82 0 10 0

or:

"SAF"  "" "" 0x28 0 0x00 0 10 0

The first one is probably what you tried.  The second one disables the mode
select.  It would be highly unusual if that drive didn't require a mode
select.  Every other drive that tosha supports that uses a standard read
command needs a mode select.  But, if your drive doesn't need a mode
select, that might explain why dd worked.

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Kenneth D. Merry

On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 20:05:21 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
 Also, I can now add that cdda2wav does work (hurrah), but it does yelp
 that it can't read the CD TOC.

Weird.  What does cdda2wav identify the drive as?  Can you send the output?
(verbose, if there's a verbose switch)  That may help determine what
cdda2wav is doing that tosha isn't.

 Of course, the mystery is that tosha no longer works yet was not
 changed, nor was the ripit script I call tosha from, so something on
 our side of the fence also moved with respect to this drive.
 
 Any other SCSI CD owners here currently using tosha?  I'd be
 quite interested to know if this is drive-specific.

tosha works fine for me (I've got a Plextor 12x CDROM drive).  Have you
recompiled tosha between the time it worked and the time it didn't?  It
could be the problem was introduced in tosha-0.6.  (The previous version
was tosha-0.5 with CAM patches.)

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Kenneth D. Merry

On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 20:02:34 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
  In addition to trying cdda2wav, here's something else you can try in your
  tosharc:
  
  "SAF"  "" "" 0x28 1 0x82 0 10 0
  
  or:
  
  "SAF"  "" "" 0x28 0 0x00 0 10 0
 
 Yep, tried both - no go.
 
 The first produces:
 
 (pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): MODE SELECT(06). CDB: 15 10 0 0 c 0 
 (pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:26,0
 (pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalid field in parameter list
 
 And the second:
 
 (pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 20 0 0 a 0 
 (pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0
 (pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): Illegal mode for this track
 
 Which is kind of interesting in that it means that the very first
 command to the drive is going south, be it the mode select or (if
 that's disabled) the read.

I think what is actually going on is that it doesn't like the 0x82 density
code that most other drives use.  So that's what the first error message
likely tells us.  (the density is given in the mode select parameter list,
thus the invalid field)

The second error message likely means that it needs a mode select of some
sort in order to function.

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

 I think what is actually going on is that it doesn't like the 0x82 density
 code that most other drives use.  So that's what the first error message
 likely tells us.  (the density is given in the mode select parameter list,
 thus the invalid field)
 
 The second error message likely means that it needs a mode select of some
 sort in order to function.

Hmmm.  That's another reasonable explanation for the behavior, yes. :)
I'll try playing with different density codes, perhaps.

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

Also, I can now add that cdda2wav does work (hurrah), but it does yelp
that it can't read the CD TOC.

Of course, the mystery is that tosha no longer works yet was not
changed, nor was the ripit script I call tosha from, so something on
our side of the fence also moved with respect to this drive.

Any other SCSI CD owners here currently using tosha?  I'd be
quite interested to know if this is drive-specific.

- Jordan


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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

 In addition to trying cdda2wav, here's something else you can try in your
 tosharc:
 
 "SAF"  "" "" 0x28 1 0x82 0 10 0
 
 or:
 
 "SAF"  "" "" 0x28 0 0x00 0 10 0

Yep, tried both - no go.

The first produces:

(pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): MODE SELECT(06). CDB: 15 10 0 0 c 0 
(pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:26,0
(pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalid field in parameter list

And the second:

(pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 20 0 0 a 0 
(pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0
(pass0:ahc0:0:4:0): Illegal mode for this track

Which is kind of interesting in that it means that the very first
command to the drive is going south, be it the mode select or (if
that's disabled) the read.

- Jordan


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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Oliver Fromme

Kenneth D. Merry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in list.freebsd-current:
  Also, you might want to try mailing Oliver Fromme
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the author of tosha) and see if he
  has any idea what it would take to get your drive to function.

I'm reading this thread, and no, I have no idea.  :-)
To be honest, I've never heard about an "SAF" drive.

If I had such a stubborn drive, I would start trying a bunch
of "typical" parameter sets that are known to work with other
drives, and then try to interpret the results.  Maybe try to
contact the vendor and ask for docs, but that's pretty much
fruitless, as experience shows.  If all else fails, make a
brute-force attack on density codes...

Jordan, if you can get that drive to work with tosha somehow,
please let me know, so I ca add it to the regular tosha
distribution.

Regards
   Oliver

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Kenneth D. Merry

On Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 06:33:47 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote:
 Kenneth D. Merry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in list.freebsd-current:
   Also, you might want to try mailing Oliver Fromme
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the author of tosha) and see if he
   has any idea what it would take to get your drive to function.
 
 I'm reading this thread, and no, I have no idea.  :-)
 To be honest, I've never heard about an "SAF" drive.
 
 If I had such a stubborn drive, I would start trying a bunch
 of "typical" parameter sets that are known to work with other
 drives, and then try to interpret the results.  Maybe try to
 contact the vendor and ask for docs, but that's pretty much
 fruitless, as experience shows.  If all else fails, make a
 brute-force attack on density codes...
 
 Jordan, if you can get that drive to work with tosha somehow,
 please let me know, so I ca add it to the regular tosha
 distribution.

I suspect that it may be a MMC drive.  I took a look at the spec, and the
cdda2wav source, and I've got a patch that may do the trick.  Once Jordan
sends output from cdda2wav, I'll know more.

 PS:  The email address that Ken mentioned isn't valid, please
 use [EMAIL PROTECTED].

Then why are you still using it?  This is from the headers on your message:

From: Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives

2000-01-06 Thread Alexander N. Kabaev

I have TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1201 1R08 on Adaptec 2440U2W and tosha works fine
with it. I used to get the same error messages from tosha just a
couple weeks ago. cdd2wav worked OK. I upgraded to the latest firmware 
on both the controller and the drive and error messages disappeared. 

Kernel and world cvsupped on on Jan 4.

BTW, running dd on my DVD fails with the following error:
# dd if=/dev/rcd0a bs=2k of=/dev/null
dd: /dev/rcd0a: Invalid argument
0+0 records in
0+0 records out
0 bytes transferred in 0.001683 secs (0 bytes/sec)

Jan  7 00:04:51 kan /kernel: (cd0:ahc0:0:6:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1 0
Jan  7 00:04:51 kan /kernel: (cd0:ahc0:0:6:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:64,0
Jan  7 00:04:51 kan /kernel: (cd0:ahc0:0:6:0): Illegal mode for this track
Jan  7 00:04:51 kan /kernel: (cd0:ahc0:0:6:0): cddone: got error 0x16 back
J

Is that something to be expected? How to copy a complete CD-ROM image into ISO
file then?


On 07-Jan-00 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

 
 Any other SCSI CD owners here currently using tosha?  I'd be
 quite interested to know if this is drive-specific.




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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Louis A. Mamakos



 Any other SCSI CD owners here currently using tosha?  I'd be
 quite interested to know if this is drive-specific.

I've used tosha with a "TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6201TA 1037" SCSI drive to
read audio data for subsequent mp3 conversion with no problems.

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

 I'm reading this thread, and no, I have no idea.  :-)
 To be honest, I've never heard about an "SAF" drive.

It's a "Smart and Friendly CD-R8020", also sold as the "CD Rocket
Recorder" here in the U.S.  It does 20X reads, 8X writes and 4X
re-writes.  And no, I don't usually waste my CDR heads on reading
audio data, but in this case it's a mid-tower case with lots of disks
in it and I can only fit one CD drive in. :)

 Jordan, if you can get that drive to work with tosha somehow,
 please let me know, so I ca add it to the regular tosha
 distribution.

I'll certainly be happy to do that.

- Jordan


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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives?

2000-01-06 Thread Oliver Fromme

Kenneth D. Merry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in list.freebsd-current:
  [...]
  PS:  The email address that Ken mentioned isn't valid, please
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  Then why are you still using it?  This is from the headers on your message:
  
  From: Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I upgraded the hardware and OS of this box recently, and not
everything is configured correctly yet (not enough time)...
There _should_ be a valid Reply-To line in my email messages.

Regards
   Oliver

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Re: So, tell me again why we can't read audio CDs in SCSI drives

2000-01-06 Thread Daniel O'Connor


On 07-Jan-00 Amancio Hasty wrote:
  I just thought that I would need to add an audio intergap between
  tracks
  but hey if cdrecord can do it great!

Well, if you are burning in Track-At-Once mode then there is a 2 second
gap between the tracks (and you can't do anything about it). To remove
or change the intertrack gaps you need to burn in Disk-At-Once mode..

cdrdao and the newer versions of cdrecord support DAO.

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for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au
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