Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Kurt Buff
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 00:16, Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote: On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? Almost everyone

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Green! No, no, Blue! AA -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base 4) telling the OP about historical reason 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason behind to persuit new goals but retained

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:16:14 am Chris Rees wrote: 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:47:12 -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:00:07 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote: - Import your MTA of choice in a local branch. - Integrate the $NEWMTA with the base system of FreeBSD. - Update the manpages and documentation for

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Lars Eighner
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Chris Rees wrote: 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? What

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 5:24:58 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:47:12 -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:00:07 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote: - Import your MTA of choice in a local branch. - Integrate the $NEWMTA with the base

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread ill...@gmail.com
2009/10/27 Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:32:14 am b. f. wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? Obviously, not everyone wants or needs sendmail in the base system. But quite a few people do

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Frank Shute
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: [big snip] Until then, the status quo is here because it works, it has been stable for a very long time, and it serves its current purpose well enough. I don't use sendmail but it's easy enough to build a different MTA out

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 6:18:33 pm ill...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/27 Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:32:14 am b. f. wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? Obviously, not everyone

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Chris Rees
use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago. Then what are we using to edit

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 6:20:35 pm Frank Shute wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: [big snip] Until then, the status quo is here because it works, it has been stable for a very long time, and it serves its current purpose well enough. I don't

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Lowell Gilbert
I probably should move this bikeshed to freebsd-chat... Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com writes: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 6:20:35 pm Frank Shute wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I can imagine that a lot of people do use sendmail - it's documented in

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
from OP, it's just taking the same default route it has been taking for ages: 1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base 4) telling the OP about historical reason 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Robert
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:54:44 -0400 Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org wrote: Green! No, no, Blue! AA I think it should be disque shaped. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:22:22 pm Lowell Gilbert wrote: I probably should move this bikeshed to freebsd-chat... Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com writes: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 6:20:35 pm Frank Shute wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I can

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
4) telling the OP about historical reason 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default MTA for historical reasons. Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the same question

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
can replace the default MTA 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base 4) telling the OP about historical reason 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default MTA for historical

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:22:22 pm Lowell Gilbert wrote: I probably should move this bikeshed to freebsd-chat... I'd like the bikeshed blue, please. Also, since Sendmail has reached maturity, let's baptize it now instead of during infancy, and add a knob

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Robert
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:00:25 -0400 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Fit the bill ... well.. so did the Geocentric model .. and it actually did work just as fine .. and even better yet since it also mantained the status quo ! ... but then Galileo came and you know the rest of

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Lars Eighner
/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread pete wright
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: You guessed wrong. We use m4, which cuts out most of the crap that you had to write into sendmail.cf. You write sendmail.mc and compile it. Sendmail.mc on my system is less than 50 lines long, including comments.

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Lars Eighner
it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4! Did you look

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread pete wright
he deserves *some* respect for the work he's done on sendmail. Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it.  Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar.  Really, let's go past this one

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Frank Shute
. RedHat: poor package management made it a pain to upgrade. FreeBSD: ? I can't think of a good reason why FreeBSD should get rid of it. Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and replaced with something minimal that could cope with the demands of cron and not much else

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread pete wright
. Dragonfly: started afresh, so could replace it without many headaches. RedHat: poor package management made it a pain to upgrade. FreeBSD: ? I can't think of a good reason why FreeBSD should get rid of it. Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and replaced with something

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Lars Eighner
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread b. f.
Lars Eighner wrote: Evidently my package database is corrupt in some way, because it shows m4 as an installed port. I wonder how that happened, how to fix it, and if it will bite if I leave it alone. The GNU version of m4 is a FreeBSD Port, devel/m4. The base system m4(1) was originally based

Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-26 Thread Yuri
It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-26 Thread Steve Bertrand
Yuri wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Are you sure about that? AFAIK, all system reports are sent with the sendmail binary. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-26 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Yuri y...@rawbw.com: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Quite a lot. In fact, anyone who properly installs FreeBSD as a server. Why isn't it moved to ports? Because an MTA has traditionally been part of a POSIX system. Besides, if it's

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:29:27 -0700, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? This questions comes up very often. You can find lots of reasons in one of the older threads about Sendmail, e.g. at: http

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-26 Thread Olivier Nicole
How many people actually use it? Very few. Out of the 12 or 15 servers I run, only one do not use stock sendmail: the mail server. So one out of twelve is rather quite a lot... Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Why boot manger displays '#' symbol when I press buttons and doesn't boot?

2009-10-22 Thread Yuri
In an attempt to install FreeBSD I wrote /boot/boot0 on the harddrive which already has Windows on it plus free space. Commands 'fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 /dev/ad4' output ended with these messages: Should we write new partition table? [n] y fdisk: Class not found After this when I boot from

Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ?

2009-10-17 Thread Yuri
: /compat/linux/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by ./libbase.so) Why I get these messages about GLIBCXX_3.4.9? Is it a bug in port? Or in package? Or in system? /etc/make.conf has the line, if that matters: OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc6 Yuri

Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ?

2009-10-17 Thread b. f.
Why I get these messages about GLIBCXX_3.4.9? Is it a bug in port? Or in package? Or in system? /etc/make.conf has the line, if that matters: OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc6 Yes, it does matter. This is a binary port, and the party that built the binaries (Google) compiled them against a fairly

Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ?

2009-10-17 Thread Yuri
b. f. wrote: Why I get these messages about GLIBCXX_3.4.9? Is it a bug in port? Or in package? Or in system? /etc/make.conf has the line, if that matters: OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc6 Yes, it does matter. This is a binary port, and the party that built the binaries (Google

Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ?

2009-10-17 Thread b. f.
On 10/17/09, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: b. f. wrote: Record 20080318 in /usr/ports/UPDATING says that in order for skype to work OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc6 should be set. I did that in order to make skype work. I believe latest versions of skype don't work work FreeBSD because FreeBSD

Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ?

2009-10-17 Thread Yuri
b. f. wrote: That entry also says that Fedora 8 can be used, which was the latest Linux base port at the time the entry was made, and the skype port Makefile says Fedora Core 6 __or later__ can be used. So presumably later Linux base ports will also work: try the most recent Linux base

Why scim menu in skype missing languages?

2009-10-17 Thread Yuri
I upgraded to OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=f10 (from f6) in /etc/make.conf. And now scim menu from linux skype doesn't allow to choose any languages but English. How to fix? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ?

2009-10-17 Thread b. f.
in /usr/pots/UPGRADING. Record 20090831 mentions f10 in connection with some other port, but not as a general recommendation. If you look at /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk, you will see that Fedora 10 is now the default emulation port on new releases of FreeBSD (I don't know why it isn't on earlier

Re: Why Linux executable googleearth can't find proper libstdc++.so.6 ?

2009-10-17 Thread Yuri
b. f. wrote: If you look at /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk, you will see that Fedora 10 is now the default emulation port on new releases of FreeBSD (I don't know why it isn't on earlier versions: you can ask bsam@ why he chose 800076 as the cutoff, and not some other value. There may have been some

Re: Why my Firefox doesn't display Cyrillic fonts well?

2009-10-02 Thread Boris Samorodov
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:19:20 -0700 Yuri wrote: I have this problem for a long time. Firefox shows all Cyrillic fonts with very large spaces between letters, almost the same as the real space character. So it's very difficult to read. Interestingly, Opera shows the same pages very neatly in

Re: Why my Firefox doesn't display Cyrillic fonts well?

2009-10-02 Thread Yuri
Boris Samorodov wrote: Install x11-fonts/webfonts and do apropriate changes to xorg.conf. I have webfonts right after misc fonts at xorg.conf. That always gave me good results. Boris, Thanks for the advice. I did what you suggested but there is no visible change. Yuri

Re: Why my Firefox doesn't display Cyrillic fonts well?

2009-10-02 Thread Eugene L.
Yuri ?: Boris Samorodov wrote: Install x11-fonts/webfonts and do apropriate changes to xorg.conf. I have webfonts right after misc fonts at xorg.conf. That always gave me good results. Boris, Thanks for the advice. I did what you suggested but there is no visible change. Yuri

Why my Firefox doesn't display Cyrillic fonts well?

2009-10-01 Thread Yuri
I have this problem for a long time. Firefox shows all Cyrillic fonts with very large spaces between letters, almost the same as the real space character. So it's very difficult to read. Interestingly, Opera shows the same pages very neatly in different font looking very well. I attach here

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-30 Thread LoH
The reality is that Oracle is meant to be a very expensive solution for companies that don't know what to do. This makes Red Hat etc an ideal contender for this situation as it promises full enterprise support. Whether it is the truth or if its even a good solution is completely irreverent

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-27 Thread Chris Rees
wondering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) ) FreeBSD handles many things very differently from the UNIX System 5 standard so you can not just kludge your way into this. What? What fascinates me about your request is why you care. FreeBSD is going nowhere

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-27 Thread Charlie Kester
On Sun 27 Sep 2009 at 12:25:50 PDT Chris Rees wrote: This guy replying to your post was a troll, basically. Ignore him, and Yep. It shows that some Linux fans are just as prone to creating FUD as their adversaries in the Windows world. I'd like to think the BSD community is better than that.

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-27 Thread Michael Vince
On 25/09/2009 10:28 PM, Saifi Khan wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote: i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html What could be the reason for that ? Best ask direct of

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-25 Thread Saifi Khan
Mac OSX so you are heading, full speed ahead, toward disappointment. FreeBSD handles many things very differently from the UNIX System 5 standard so you can not just kludge your way into this. What fascinates me about your request is why you care. FreeBSD is going nowhere at a staggeringly fast pace

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-25 Thread krad
request is why you care. FreeBSD is going nowhere at a staggeringly fast pace. And to the same place as went Oracle Database version 8.0. Obscurity. Install Oracle's Enterprise Linux and you will have a real operating system in less time than you've spent monitoring this thead. And as an additional

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-25 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org writes: The response seems to suggest [...] ...nothing except that whoever wrote it has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-25 Thread Steve Bertrand
are heading, full speed ahead, toward disappointment. FreeBSD handles many things very differently from the UNIX System 5 standard so you can not just kludge your way into this. What fascinates me about your request is why you care. FreeBSD is going nowhere at a staggeringly fast pace

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-25 Thread telmnstr
support infrastructure behind it. This is why they limit the number of operating systems to a very specific few, that are backed by companies with a reputation. I'm not vouching for them, but most businesses aren't looking to plunk down $50,000 or $100,000 for a database product

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-25 Thread Andrew Gould
oops. After replying to all, I noticed that this thread is cross-posted to both freebsd-questions and freebsd-advocacy. (Although I removed advocacy from this reply.) fyi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-25 Thread Andrew Gould
that is expected to be VERY reliable. It's expected to have a high end support infrastructure behind it. This is why they limit the number of operating systems to a very specific few, that are backed by companies with a reputation. I'm not vouching for them, but most businesses aren't looking to plunk down

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-25 Thread Philippe Laquet
Dag-Erling Smørgrav a écrit : Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org writes: The response seems to suggest [...] ...nothing except that whoever wrote it has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. DES I know that the question was about native FreeBSD port but did someone

Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-25 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:28:20AM -0400, telmn...@757.org wrote: I'd be willing to bet there is little to no commercial demand for Oracle on FreeBSD. I wonder how much difference Oracle availability on FreeBSD would make, here. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL:

Why configure files don't find /usr/local based headers?

2009-09-22 Thread Yuri
I noticed many times that configure files of various projects fail to find headers of third party packages under /usr/local/include. They run command line like this: gcc -c conftest.c and it doesn't find them without -I/usr/local/include. Is something misconfigured on my system? How to make

Re: Why configure files don't find /usr/local based headers?

2009-09-22 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:29:38 -0700, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: I noticed many times that configure files of various projects fail to find headers of third party packages under /usr/local/include. They run command line like this: gcc -c conftest.c and it doesn't find them without

Re: Why /bin/sh doesn't like the line: if test x$my_var == xyes; then

2009-09-03 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 06:59:38AM +0200, Polytropon typed: What is the version of /bin/sh currently used in 7.2? Where is it taken from? --version, -v, -version don't ever print version I guess due to FreeBSD policy of not versioning individual utilities. FreeBSD's Bourne shell does

Re: Why /bin/sh doesn't like the line: if test x$my_var == xyes; then

2009-09-03 Thread Bertram Scharpf
Hi, Am Donnerstag, 03. Sep 2009, 04:14:56 + schrieb jerry M: configure file got this line and it causes the message: test: xyes: unexpected operator But removing spaces around == or replacing == with = makes it to work. On Linux though this line works fine. As `man test' describes, the

Why /bin/sh doesn't like the line: if test x$my_var == xyes; then

2009-09-02 Thread jerry M
configure file got this line and it causes the message: test: xyes: unexpected operator But removing spaces around == or replacing == with = makes it to work. On Linux though this line works fine. Why spaces around == would cause failure? What is the version of /bin/sh currently used in 7.2

Re: Why /bin/sh doesn't like the line: if test x$my_var == xyes; then

2009-09-02 Thread Polytropon
standard Bourne shell? On Linux though this line works fine. This may be due to the fact that on most Linusi, sh is bash. On FreeBSD, sh is a different shell than bash; it's the original Bourne shell. Why spaces around == would cause failure? First of al, refer to man test for the string

Re: Why /bin/sh doesn't like the line: if test x$my_var == xyes; then

2009-09-02 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Sep 03), jerry M said: configure file got this line and it causes the message: test: xyes: unexpected operator But removing spaces around == or replacing == with = makes it to work. On Linux though this line works fine. Why spaces around == would cause failure? What

Why graph on http://www.freebsd.org/ports/growth/status.png not updated?

2009-07-28 Thread gosha-necr
Subject ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: Why this flash drive not detected in devd?

2009-07-19 Thread Boris Samorodov
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:36:09 -0500 Sagara Wijetunga wrote: Again, maybe you should check out sysutils/hal. I prefer to handle mounting through an automounter even without KDE running. It's not a KDE only instance. BTW, this port is maintained by a FreeBSD gnome@ team. Hal is widely used

Re: Why this flash drive not detected in devd?

2009-07-13 Thread Sagara Wijetunga
Mel Flynn writes: On Saturday 11 July 2009 00:36:09 Sagara Wijetunga wrote: I prefer to handle mounting through an automounter even without KDE running. I think most users want to handle the disk based on the content not on the device that has the disk. Ideally I would want my desktop to:

Re: Why this flash drive not detected in devd?

2009-07-12 Thread Mel Flynn
On Saturday 11 July 2009 00:36:09 Sagara Wijetunga wrote: I prefer to handle mounting through an automounter even without KDE running. I think most users want to handle the disk based on the content not on the device that has the disk. Ideally I would want my desktop to: 1) automount below a

Re: Why this flash drive not detected in devd?

2009-07-11 Thread Sagara Wijetunga
-detected; }; Could I know why the flash drive is not detected on attach? The USB subsystem isn't currently equipped to notify devd (technically, the devctl_notify function isn't used in the USB stack). So the only notification you'll get is when devfs creates a device. Since

Re: Why this flash drive not detected in devd?

2009-07-11 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 03:36:09AM -0500, Sagara Wijetunga wrote: Could I know which program print following lines to the /dev/devctl: !system=DEVFS subsystem=CDEV type=CREATE cdev=pass4 !system=DEVFS subsystem=CDEV type=CREATE cdev=da4 !system=DEVFS subsystem=CDEV type=CREATE cdev=da4s1

Re: Why this flash drive not detected in devd?

2009-07-10 Thread Roland Smith
; }; Could I know why the flash drive is not detected on attach? The USB subsystem isn't currently equipped to notify devd (technically, the devctl_notify function isn't used in the USB stack). So the only notification you'll get is when devfs creates a device. Since

Why this flash drive not detected in devd?

2009-07-09 Thread Sagara Wijetunga
/Imation-Flash-Drive-detected; }; Could I know why the flash drive is not detected on attach? Kind regards Sagara ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail

Re: Why this flash drive not detected in devd?

2009-07-09 Thread Roland Smith
0x0718; match product 0x0081; match serial 14925B00; action touch /tmp/Imation-Flash-Drive-detected; }; Could I know why the flash drive is not detected on attach? The USB subsystem isn't currently equipped to notify devd (technically, the devctl_notify function isn't used

Re: Why this flash drive not detected in devd?

2009-07-09 Thread Sagara Wijetunga
{ match vendor 0x0718; match product 0x0081; match serial 14925B00; action touch /tmp/Imation-Flash-Drive-detected; }; Could I know why the flash drive is not detected on attach? The USB subsystem isn't currently equipped to notify devd (technically, the devctl_notify function

Re: Configuring VLANs - Why is IP address require on NIC connected to Trunk?

2009-06-19 Thread Geoff Roberts
Hi, On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:16:18 am Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: Geoff Roberts wrote: I find I have to give the ext0 interface an IP address in order for routing and packet filtering to work on the attached VLANs. a) Is there a way to configure this so that I don't have to give ext0 an IP

Configuring VLANs - Why is IP address require on NIC connected to Trunk?

2009-06-18 Thread Geoff Roberts
Hi, I am currently using FreeBSD 7.2 - although the configuration below was originally configured on FreeBSD 7.0. I have a working VLAN configuration - two VLANS on one interface. Let's call the interface ext0 and the VLANS bound to this interface vlan0 and vlan1 The interface ext0 is

Re: Configuring VLANs - Why is IP address require on NIC connected to Trunk?

2009-06-18 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis
Geoff Roberts wrote: I find I have to give the ext0 interface an IP address in order for routing and packet filtering to work on the attached VLANs. a) Is there a way to configure this so that I don't have to give ext0 an IP address? Yes, you just have to up the interface: ifconfig_em0=up

Re: Configuring VLANs - Why is IP address require on NIC connected to Trunk?

2009-06-18 Thread Steve Polyack
Geoff Roberts wrote: I find I have to give the ext0 interface an IP address in order for routing and packet filtering to work on the attached VLANs. This shouldn't be the case. The ext0 interface should not need an IP address for the two vlanX interfaces to function correctly. Are you

Re: Configuring VLANs - Why is IP address require on NIC connected to Trunk?

2009-06-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar
done using ifconfig_em0_name=ext0 in rc.conf. I find I have to give the ext0 interface an IP address in order for routing and packet filtering to work on the attached VLANs. You have to set up IP address to vlans, not main interface. It's the way vlan's work. Having 2 vlan's is like having

Why obsoleted if_watchdog interface ?

2009-06-16 Thread Michael Gass
I installed an old 3Com network card in my machine (Pavilion 4455) and it works fine, but I get the following warning in dmesg ep0: 3Com 3C509-TPO EtherLink III at port 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa0 ep0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface ep0: Ethernet address: 00:01:02:69:4f:7c ep0:

Re: Why obsoleted if_watchdog interface ?

2009-06-16 Thread Mel Flynn
On Tuesday 16 June 2009 07:40:36 Michael Gass wrote: I installed an old 3Com network card in my machine (Pavilion 4455) and it works fine, but I get the following warning in dmesg ep0: 3Com 3C509-TPO EtherLink III at port 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa0 ep0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog

Re: pam_groupdn/pam_member_attribute does not with OpenLDAP/PAM and FreeBSD. Why?

2009-05-27 Thread nok_compx
. ... and I can login, no tmatter whether I'm in the group or not. What ist happening here? Why is the documentaion telling me this should work and why isn't FreeBSD/PAM doing so? I'm confused! Any help appreciated. Oliver ___ freebsd

why integer size says 4 bytes on 64 bit processor

2009-05-25 Thread Shakil Khan
thought integer are the most basic of the data types and governs the architecture as 32 bit or 64 bit, so why integer shows me 4bytes instead of 8. Does this means that even on 64 bit architecture we are limited to just 4GB of RAM. Please explain. Thanks in advance

Re: why integer size says 4 bytes on 64 bit processor

2009-05-25 Thread Ivan Voras
is showing 4 bytes which is 32 bit. I thought integer are the most basic of the data types and governs the architecture as 32 bit or 64 bit, so why integer shows me 4bytes instead of 8. Does this means that even on 64 bit architecture we are limited to just 4GB of RAM. Please read http

Re: why integer size says 4 bytes on 64 bit processor

2009-05-25 Thread Michael Powell
is showing 4 bytes which is 32 bit. I thought integer are the most basic of the data types and governs the architecture as 32 bit or 64 bit, so why integer shows me 4bytes instead of 8. Does this means that even on 64 bit architecture we are limited to just 4GB of RAM. No, because INT

Re: why integer size says 4 bytes on 64 bit processor

2009-05-25 Thread Matthew Seaman
and governs the architecture as 32 bit or 64 bit, so why integer shows me 4bytes instead of 8. Does this means that even on 64 bit architecture we are limited to just 4GB of RAM. Not at all. 'int' is just one of the basic types mandated by the various C specifications over the years. There are 4

Why build's user CPU on 4-CPU machine with hyper-threading always higher with -j 8 compared to with -j 4?

2009-05-23 Thread Yuri
I noticed that the same exact build on i7-920 (4 CPUs) consumes ~15% more user CPU when run with -j 8 compared to -j 4. Hyper-threading is enabled so top shows 8 CPUs. Why would user time be higher in a hyper-threaded run? Yuri ___ freebsd

Re: Why build's user CPU on 4-CPU machine with hyper-threading always higher with -j 8 compared to with -j 4?

2009-05-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I noticed that the same exact build on i7-920 (4 CPUs) consumes ~15% more user CPU when run with -j 8 compared to -j 4. Hyper-threading is enabled so top shows 8 CPUs. Why would user time be higher in a hyper-threaded run? because it doesn't count actual instruction executed but - as name

Re: Why so many ports have run-dependencies on non-system gcc versions?

2009-05-22 Thread Mel Flynn
On Friday 22 May 2009 02:00:29 Yuri wrote: When I tried to delete gcc-4.3.4_20090517 I got this message: pkg_delete: package 'gcc-4.3.4_20090517' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: blas-1.0_3 cgnslib-2.5.3_1 fftw3-3.2 fftw3-float-3.2_1 fr-med-2.3.5

Re: Why so many ports have run-dependencies on non-system gcc versions?

2009-05-22 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:32:58AM +0200, Mel Flynn wrote: On Friday 22 May 2009 02:00:29 Yuri wrote: When I tried to delete gcc-4.3.4_20090517 I got this message: pkg_delete: package 'gcc-4.3.4_20090517' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: blas-1.0_3

Why so many ports have run-dependencies on non-system gcc versions?

2009-05-21 Thread Yuri
libsamplerate-0.1.7_1 octave-3.0.5_1 suitesparse-3.3.0 When I tried to delete gcc-4.2.5_20090325 I got this: pkg_delete: package 'gcc-4.2.5_20090325' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: pdftk-1.41 Why all these ports depend on gcc? They may want to compile with different gcc

Re: Why so many ports have run-dependencies on non-system gcc versions?

2009-05-21 Thread Chris Cowart
libofa-0.9.3_3 libsamplerate-0.1.7_1 octave-3.0.5_1 suitesparse-3.3.0 When I tried to delete gcc-4.2.5_20090325 I got this: pkg_delete: package 'gcc-4.2.5_20090325' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: pdftk-1.41 Why all these ports depend on gcc? They may want

Re: Why so many ports have run-dependencies on non-system gcc versions?

2009-05-21 Thread Charlie Kester
see this as being a real reason why a particular gcc needs to be around at runtime. Look at the dynamic linking information with ldd. If it doesn't depend on a file provided by those versions of gcc, it's probably an inaccuracy in the port's dependency list. Here's the online documentation

Re: Why would a kill -2 not work?

2009-05-19 Thread Peter Steele
The pthread_* calls you are making aren't listed as being safe to run within the context of a signal handler, and could cause a thread waiting on that condition to be unblocked and start running. Please see earlier comments about mixing threads and signal handlers. Okay, fair enough. I'll

Why would a kill -2 not work?

2009-05-18 Thread Peter Steele
Under what circumstances might a kill -2 nnn not work. I have a Python app with a signal handler configured to catch INT signals. It seems to work fine, but we've recently noticed that after the app has run for a while the kill -2 no longer works. This seems pretty suspicious, perhaps

Re: Why would a kill -2 not work?

2009-05-18 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hi-- On May 18, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Peter Steele wrote: Under what circumstances might a kill -2 nnn not work. I have a Python app with a signal handler configured to catch INT signals. It seems to work fine, but we've recently noticed that after the app has run for a while the kill -2 no

Re: Why would a kill -2 not work?

2009-05-18 Thread Peter Steele
The amount of stuff you're allowed to do safely in a signal handler is pretty minimal-- you're better off setting a flag, returning from the signal handler, and having the next run past the main event loop or whatever check for the flag and handle things in a normal app context. If you try to

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