Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-09 Thread John Birrell
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:10:46AM +0100, Richard P. Williamson wrote: > Theory: Windoze installations are unreliable. > Proof: > I turned it on. > It was hacked into an open proxy. > It contracted several hundred worms. > It crashed. > QED. W^5 (Which was what we wanted) -- John Birre

Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-09 Thread Rowdy
Jos De Laender wrote: Bill Campbell wrote: The original Latin is ``Quod Erat Demonstrandum'', translates to that was demonstrated (about as much as I remember from five years of Latin). Quod erat demonstrandum is correct. The translation is rather : what needed to be proven, what needed to be

Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-09 Thread Richard P. Williamson
At 21:04 08/06/2004. Jos De Laender had this to say: >Quod erat demonstrandum is correct. The translation is rather : what needed to be >proven, what needed to be demonstrated ... >(although this is probably very poor English :-) ) That which was to be demonstrated, is the closest conceptually.

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Stephen Liu
HI Luke, Thanks for your advice. > > Is there a way updating all installed ports > > automatically wheneven the server/workstation is > > booted and connected to Internet, similar to ntp > > synchronizing the clock. > > > in theory it should be possible to write a script > that runs portupgrade

Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Jos De Laender
Bill Campbell wrote: The original Latin is ``Quod Erat Demonstrandum'', translates to that was demonstrated (about as much as I remember from five years of Latin). Quod erat demonstrandum is correct. The translation is rather : what needed to be proven, what needed to be demonstrated ... (alt

Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Robert Huff
Bill Campbell writes: > The original Latin is ``Quod Erat Demonstrandum'', translates to > that was demonstrated (about as much as I remember from five > years of Latin). Perfect passive periphrastic, if I've got it right. Robert Huff __

Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004, Kent Stewart wrote: >On Tuesday 08 June 2004 09:36 am, Bill Moran wrote: >> Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Robert Huff wrote: >> > >Peter Risdon writes: >> > >> I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch >> > >> sees many commits that are likely

Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Kent Stewart
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 09:36 am, Bill Moran wrote: > Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Robert Huff wrote: > > >Peter Risdon writes: > > >> I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch > > >> sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. > > > > > > In general, no

Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:36:47 -0400 Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Robert Huff wrote: > > > > >Peter Risdon writes: > > > > > >> I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees > > >> many commits that are likely to be proble

[OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Huff wrote: > > >Peter Risdon writes: > > > >> I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees > >> many commits that are likely to be problematic. > >> > > In general, no. > > On the other hand ... think of this as a

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill Moran wrote: > > >Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. > >> > >>The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I > >>have figured out how to automate this, but not _whethe

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Risdon
Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days befo

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Risdon
Bill Moran wrote: Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Robert Huff
Peter Risdon writes: > I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees > many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before s

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Risdon
Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld b

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Risdon
Vince Hoffman wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, You may want to have a look at freebsd-update. Its a binary updater, Client/Server config, the server code and info on what it is, is available from http://www.d

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and portupgr

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Luke Kearney
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:02:31 +0800 (CST) Stephen Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thus: > Hi folks, > > This is an interesting topic. > > > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: > > > > > The main cost of having computers for most > > companies lies not in > > > software or hardware, but in supp

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi folks, This is an interesting topic. > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: > > > The main cost of having computers for most > companies lies not in > > software or hardware, but in support. I have been > pondering the wisdom > > of automating the upgrade process, so that sources > are cvs

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in > software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom > of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly > and make buildworld buildkernel etc and

Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Vince Hoffman
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Peter Risdon wrote: > The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in > software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom > of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly > and make buildworld buildkernel etc and

Wisdom of automating upgrades

2004-06-08 Thread Peter Risdon
The main cost of having computers for most companies lies not in software or hardware, but in support. I have been pondering the wisdom of automating the upgrade process, so that sources are cvsup'ed nightly and make buildworld buildkernel etc and portupgrade happen overnight maybe once a week