DHCP problem after upgrade
I upgraded my system from 7.2-STABLE to 8.1-STABLE, and have done `mergemaster'. Earlier the system used to get its IP address by DHCP at boot time without any problem. After the upgrade, it is not doing so. I have ifconfig_em0=DHCP in /etc/rc.conf. After booting, manually doing `/sbin/dhclient em0' works. The dmesg is enclosed below. Any help is appreciated. Thanks and regards, Raghavendra. -- Copyright (c) 1992-2010 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE #0: Thu Sep 23 09:18:44 IST 2010 r...@griffin.campus.hri:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GRIFFIN i386 Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPUQ6600 @ 2.40GHz (2394.01-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0x6fb Family = 6 Model = f Stepping = 11 Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Features2=0xe3bdSSE3,DTES64,MON,DS_CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM AMD Features=0x2010NX,LM AMD Features2=0x1LAHF TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 3221225472 (3072 MB) avail memory = 3140222976 (2994 MB) ACPI APIC Table: DELL FX09 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 4 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 4 ioapic0 Version 2.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: DELL FX09on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of 0, a (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 10, bfd9 (3) failed Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 cpu1: ACPI CPU on acpi0 cpu2: ACPI CPU on acpi0 cpu3: ACPI CPU on acpi0 acpi_hpet0: High Precision Event Timer iomem 0xfed0-0xfed003ff on acpi0 device_attach: acpi_hpet0 attach returned 12 acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 pcib1: PCI-PCI bridge irq 16 at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: PCI bus on pcib1 vgapci0: VGA-compatible display port 0xcf00-0xcf7f mem 0xfa00-0xfaff,0xd000-0xdfff,0xf800-0xf9ff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 em0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection 7.0.5 port 0xff00-0xff1f mem 0xfdfc-0xfdfd,0xfdfff000-0xfdff irq 20 at device 25.0 on pci0 em0: Using MSI interrupt em0: [FILTER] em0: Ethernet address: 00:1d:09:99:b5:ee uhci0: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller port 0xfe00-0xfe1f irq 16 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: [ITHREAD] uhci0: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus0: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller on uhci0 uhci1: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller port 0xfd00-0xfd1f irq 21 at device 26.1 on pci0 uhci1: [ITHREAD] uhci1: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus1: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller on uhci1 uhci2: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller port 0xfc00-0xfc1f irq 19 at device 26.2 on pci0 uhci2: [ITHREAD] uhci2: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus2: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller on uhci2 ehci0: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB 2.0 controller mem 0xfdffe000-0xfdffe3ff irq 18 at device 26.7 on pci0 ehci0: [ITHREAD] usbus3: EHCI version 1.0 usbus3: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB 2.0 controller on ehci0 hdac0: Intel 82801I High Definition Audio Controller mem 0xfdff4000-0xfdff7fff irq 22 at device 27.0 on pci0 hdac0: HDA Driver Revision: 20100226_0142 hdac0: [ITHREAD] uhci3: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller port 0xfb00-0xfb1f irq 23 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci3: [ITHREAD] usbus4: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller on uhci3 uhci4: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller port 0xfa00-0xfa1f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci4: [ITHREAD] usbus5: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller on uhci4 uhci5: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller port 0xf900-0xf91f irq 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci5: [ITHREAD] usbus6: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB controller on uhci5 ehci1: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB 2.0 controller mem 0xfdffd000-0xfdffd3ff irq 23 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci1: [ITHREAD] usbus7: EHCI version 1.0 usbus7: Intel 82801I (ICH9) USB 2.0 controller on ehci1 pcib2: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 30.0 on pci0 pci2: ACPI PCI bus on pcib2 isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 atapci0: Intel ICH9 SATA300 controller port 0xf800-0xf807,0xf700-0xf703,0xf600-0xf607,0xf500-0xf503,0xf400-0xf40f,0xf300-0xf30f irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 atapci0: [ITHREAD] ata2: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 ata3: [ITHREAD] pci0: serial bus, SMBus at device 31.3 (no driver attached) atapci1: Intel ICH9 SATA300 controller port
Re: migrate system disk
El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:37:42AM +0800, Edward escribió: I have an old HDD which should be replaced soon, actually that HDD stands as my system disk, what is your suggesion, how should I migrate the FreeBSD 8.1 from the old disk to the new one? I've used to do this a lot for server hardware migration, moving from 1 server to another new server. This blog post recorded what I tried did : http://scratching.psybermonkey.net/2010/01/freebsd-backup-and-restore-freebsd.html I did an similar aproach, moving a complete system by dump/restore to another (virtual) hardware to get a 1:1 clone of my laptop. The steps are documented in detail here: http://www.unixarea.de/OS/moveFreeBSDintoVM.txt HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: migrate system disk - thank you
Thank you everybody for your help! From: Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de To: Edward mys...@rdtan.net Cc: Dánielisz László laszlo_daniel...@yahoo.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 8:19:16 AM Subject: Re: migrate system disk El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:37:42AM +0800, Edward escribió: I have an old HDD which should be replaced soon, actually that HDD stands as my system disk, what is your suggesion, how should I migrate the FreeBSD 8.1 from the old disk to the new one? I've used to do this a lot for server hardware migration, moving from 1 server to another new server. This blog post recorded what I tried did : http://scratching.psybermonkey.net/2010/01/freebsd-backup-and-restore-freebsd.html l I did an similar aproach, moving a complete system by dump/restore to another (virtual) hardware to get a 1:1 clone of my laptop. The steps are documented in detail here: http://www.unixarea.de/OS/moveFreeBSDintoVM.txt HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: DHCP problem after upgrade [solved]
At 2010-09-23T11:17:48+05:30, N. Raghavendra wrote: I upgraded my system from 7.2-STABLE to 8.1-STABLE, and have done `mergemaster'. Earlier the system used to get its IP address by DHCP at boot time without any problem. After the upgrade, it is not doing so. I have ifconfig_em0=DHCP in /etc/rc.conf. After searching the Web and rc.conf(5), I came across the SYNCDHCP value for the ifconfig_interface variable. So, either setting ifconfig_em0=SYNCDHCP, or leaving ifconfig_em0=DHCP as it is and setting synchronous_dhclient=YES in rc.conf works, and the system gets an IP address from the DHCP server at boot time. Regards, Raghavendra. -- N. Raghavendra ra...@mri.ernet.in | http://www.retrotexts.net/ Harish-Chandra Research Institute | http://www.mri.ernet.in/ See message headers for contact and OpenPGP information. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 09/23/10 06:53, Adam Vande More wrote: As stated before, it's really a personal matter. I like kde4 a lot, ... It's also lighter and faster than KDE3. It's pretty stable too, but not completely so. Strange. After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day. I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and missing features... Of course, YMMV. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:38:03AM +0200, Andrea Venturoli escribió: On 09/23/10 06:53, Adam Vande More wrote: As stated before, it's really a personal matter. I like kde4 a lot, ... It's also lighter and faster than KDE3. It's pretty stable too, but not completely so. Strange. After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day. I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and missing features... I'm using KDE 3.5.10 which very solid and stable. In May 2009 I tried KDE4, in a test machine and found it unstable and not so intiutive as KDE3. So I droped the idea to move to KDE4. Just my 0.02 pesos cubanos matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:29:38PM -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez I remember years ago that I first started using Linux in just the console and did so for about 6 months before I set up X. It was such a pleasure to get away from a GUI and to a CLI :) When I did set up X, I used fvwm as my WM for many years, then Blackbox and now Fluxbox. I like the *boxes and fvwm as they have simple text based configuration files and are easy to customise to one's own needs. I still just have a couple of xterms running under fluxbox and tend to launch a lot of programs from them. You might find a simple setup, as I've described above, comfortable for your needs rather than a full-blown desktop environment such as Gnome or KDE. My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't come from the commandline. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:36:03AM +0100, Frank Shute escribió: My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't come from the commandline. Totally wrong for me. I come from a UNIX like System which was driven in batch jos in /370 main frame by 80 column puch cards and later UNIX7 in just ASCII cmd terminals. See: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.wizards/msg/98fc9de7c77bff59 Ofc, today I do most of my work in XTerm, like using now mutt (as you do) and vim to write this mail. matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thursday 23 September 2010, Andrea Venturoli wrote: After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day. I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and missing features... Of course, YMMV. That's very similar to my experience too but I'm getting the feeling that I might have to move over to KDE4 before much longer due to reduced KDE3 support with some of the apps: 1) There's a problem with gnupg 2.0.9 and Kgpg with KDE 3.5 which prevents kgpg parsing the keyring https://bugs.kde.org/188473. Apparently the code is totally different from what is in KDE4 and is scattered over several places so fixing this for KDE3 will (understandably) not be done. I've stuck with gnupg-2.0.9_3 which is still working OK but the recent removal of libassuan-1 causes a problem if I ever need to rebuild gnupg-2.0.9_3 2) kaffeine-1.0_1 now depends on some KDE4 libraries, I suspect other apps will follow in due course with the result that I'll start to see more bloat and potential conflicts. When I first tried KDE4 it was much slower than KDE3, have things improved sufficiently since then for me to think about upgrading? -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: migrate system disk
Am Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:06:13 -0700 (PDT) schrieb Dánielisz László laszlo_daniel...@yahoo.com: Hello, I have an old HDD which should be replaced soon, actually that HDD stands as my system disk, what is your suggesion, how should I migrate the FreeBSD 8.1 from the old disk to the new one? thank you! Laszlo Have a look at recoverdisk(1). This should satisfy most your needs. Regards. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On 22-9-2010 21:35, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 22/09/2010 20:04:25, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: You're certainly not the only one liking CUPS. I long hesitated to use it, but once I'd decided to do so, I wouldn't go back to lpr. No way. It's very easy to set up and does a great job. CUPS is OK but most FreeBSD people don't seem to think so. I don't get it. CUPS is really nice *when it works*. If you're lucky and have managed to buy the right sort of printer hardware, and the Gods are smiling upon you, then CUPS will serve you well. The list of supported hardware is very very long, so this part shouldn't be so hard. On the other hand, when CUPS is bad, it is truly awful. Excessively hard to debug; impossible to fix without Guru-level powers. One of those No user serviceable parts inside sort of things. This might be true. I guess this is a valid reason not to use it if you want to be able to debug things yourself _AND_ if you are a code guru. CUPS works brilliantly when I plug my printer's USB cable directly into my Mac. But I've never yet managed to print to exactly the same printer via CUPS when it is plugged into my FreeBSD server. Hmm, strange. CUPS works very well when I use a linux server, but it also works very well on my main server, now running OpenSolaris-b134. I would not want to be offensive, but could it be something inside the FreeBSD code that makes it harder to function w/ CUPS? It really is a pity, because it really is very easy to set printers up _AND_ share them over you LAN at the same time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
rebuilding world - is chflags -R noschg * necessary?
The fbsd manual states in section 24.7 Rebuilding world: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html in subsection 24.7.6 Remove /usr/obj *quote* Some files below /usr/obj may have the immutable flag set (see chflags(1) for more information) which must be removed first. # cd /usr/obj # chflags -R noschg * *end quote* I've never seen a file under /usr/obj/ with immutable flag set. Why would there be object files with immutable flag set? Is this step really necessary? many thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:57 -0600, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Jorge Biquez wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? The Handbook covers setting up the three major desktop environments in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html. You don't have to choose one of those, there are lots of varied window managers, and advocates for each. There's an overview here on fd.o: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops. Many of those are in ports. I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Personally, I currently use xfce as lighter than the other members of the big three, while still offering the features I want. But it really is very subjective. For various purposes, I've used GNOME, KDE, icewm, fluxbox, blackbox, and others. Ports make these all pretty easy to install. +1 for xfce as not requiring quite so much stuff to be installed as GNOME and KDE, but still having what I need. I also like the xfce Terminal. (Have used GNOME, seems fine to me; haven't tried KDE.) If you want to go really lightweight, fluxbox and blackbox, which I've used and liked, have already been mentioned. I haven't had any problem running GNOME on not-the-latest hardware (Athlon XP CPU, Nvidia 7600 AGP GPU), so if yours is equivalent or newer, I don't know that performance will be a concern for any of the desktops. At that point it's just what feels most natural - what makes your most frequently-used apps and utilities quickly available to you, what interface seems easiest to work with, etc. Jud -- I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day. - Douglas Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CYRUS IMAP cyradm core dump problem
I applied the patch as suggested by Reko, but it seemed to make no difference After the patch recompiling and linking at least SASL is needed after buildworld and inatallation of new world. removing libgssapiv2 libs however, solved my cyradm problem will this cause issues into the future for any other ports I may need ti install ? Unless you need kerberos authentication at some point, removing the libs is non-issue. -Reko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:29:38 -0500, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? For many years now, I am happily using WindowMaker as my main desktop. It can be configured easily and does STAY OUT OF YOUR WAY, means it SUPPORTS you with the actions you intendedly want to take, so you can do whatever you want instead of messing with the window manager. It's also very lightweight. I've also tried tiling window managers, but their magic sadly didn't open up to me. Another lightweight, allthough obsolete (but still powerful) GUI is XFCE. When I write XFCE, I mean XFCE version 3. If I would mean Xfce 4, I would write Xfce. :-) A highly customizable and still quite professional environment is fvwm2. You can add as much stuff as you like, but you can also switch off all annoying things. I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) I still have a 300 MHz P2 with XFCE 3 that does *ALL* you just mentioned, and it does it fine. Keep in mind that your choice of window manager (or even full desktop environment) may depend on which applications you're using. For example, if you find KDE's applications best, you will probably want to use them with KDE, allthough you could also use them with Gnome, or even with WindowMaker (as I sometimes do for the two KDE programs I occassionally have to use). On the other hand, if the Gnome set of applications fits your needs better, go with Gnome. Internationalisation and language support can also be a thing to consider. In the past, I was often disappointed with KDE's sloppy and missing translations; as a German, I tried the german variant, but found that it is not very well supported - that was in KDE 3, maybe KDE 4 is better. Gnome in fact *had* a much better german language support. Finally, I switched all back to english (except OpenOffice) because the NATIVE language of the system and the applications is better than anything else. Finally, choosing a GUI may really be a trial error path. And if your need change, your choice may change, too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: rebuilding world - is chflags -R noschg * necessary?
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:02:17 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bristol.ac.uk wrote: I've never seen a file under /usr/obj/ with immutable flag set. I think it was a directory called empty/ that couldn't be removed unless the flag was unset. This makes this step neccessary when you rm -rf /usr/obj the object subtree. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: rebuilding world - is chflags -R noschg * necessary?
On 09/23/10 15:10, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:02:17 +0100, Anton Shterenlikhtme...@bristol.ac.uk wrote: I've never seen a file under /usr/obj/ with immutable flag set. I think it was a directory called empty/ that couldn't be removed unless the flag was unset. This makes this step neccessary when you rm -rf /usr/obj the object subtree. I think you're thinking of /var/empty, not something under /usr/obj. On my machine find fails to find anything immutable under /usr/obj. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Does this look reasonable (y/n)?
Hello, i have quite a common question i think but my google skills didn't bring up anything decent. If you use binary freebsd-update to upgrade between major releases it starts comparing config files at some point. After the manual merges it start's automerge and asks you: Does this look reasonable (y/n)? for every file. If you answer n freebsd-update bails out (after working for like ages getting patches/files etc.) So wouldn't it be nice to give the user a chance to resolve the merge or at least ask if the user really wants to quit the upgrade. Am i missing something here? regards, leon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. I haven't been at all attracted to the various desktop managers: KDE, GNOME, etc. What do you get for all that weight? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpqDsl8mL8Ej.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: rebuilding world - is chflags -R noschg * necessary?
Hello!
Anton is right, really the handbook says that it MAY contain, so it's not
necessary that after every build there will be some files with the immutable
flag.
OFF: Long long time ago one night when I was playing with jails (to be exact
I was building and making work my first jail by hand) I got to know this
little thing known as immutable, after building a jail, and after #@$ing it
up (sry :)) I could not delete it. It was a funny discovery I remember I was
new to FBSD and unix in general:).
ON:
I think maybe in older releases the build process may have used the
immutable flag at build??, but the test machine I tried, started out as
maybe 5.2, and I never had this issue once. Now I'm at 8.1-REL. After you
make installworld you get some files immutable, check this:
# cd /usr/src/
# make installworld DESTDIR=/usr/home/testworld/
# cd /usr/home/testworld
# find . -xdev -flags +schg -exec ls -la {} \;
-r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18584 Sep 23 16:54 ./bin/rcp
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1150968 Sep 23 16:53 ./lib/libc.so.7
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 32104 Sep 23 16:53 ./lib/libcrypt.so.5
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 76412 Sep 23 16:54 ./lib/libthr.so.3
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 220596 Sep 23 16:54 ./libexec/ld-elf.so.1
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 663616 Sep 23 16:55 ./sbin/init
-r-sr-xr-x 6 root wheel 18588 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/chpass
-r-sr-xr-x 6 root wheel 18588 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/chfn
-r-sr-xr-x 6 root wheel 18588 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/chsh
-r-sr-xr-x 6 root wheel 18588 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/ypchpass
-r-sr-xr-x 6 root wheel 18588 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/ypchfn
-r-sr-xr-x 6 root wheel 18588 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/ypchsh
-r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21836 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/login
-r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4792 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/opieinfo
-r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11868 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/opiepasswd
-r-sr-xr-x 2 root wheel 6160 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/passwd
-r-sr-xr-x 2 root wheel 6160 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/yppasswd
-r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11244 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/rlogin
-r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8896 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/rsh
-r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14500 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/su
-r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 27044 Sep 23 16:56 ./usr/bin/crontab
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 16604 Sep 23 16:54 ./usr/lib/librt.so.1
total 4
dr-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Sep 23 16:53 .
drwxr-xr-x 22 root wheel 512 Sep 23 16:53 ..
# rm -rf testworld/
rm: testworld/bin/rcp: Operation not permitted
rm: testworld/bin: Directory not empty
rm: testworld/lib/libc.so.7: Operation not permitted
rm: testworld/lib/libcrypt.so.5: Operation not permitted
rm: testworld/lib/libthr.so.3: Operation not permitted
rm: testworld/lib: Directory not empty
rm: testworld/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Operation not permitted
rm: testworld/libexec: Directory not empty
rm: testworld/sbin/init: Operation not permitted
and so on...
Anton if you wanna be sure just do it, or test it with the version you are
using, but I don't think you will find any immutable files in /usr/obj
/usr/obj]# find . -flags +schg -exec ls -la {} \;
/usr/obj]#
Sorry if this was a bit long, but I hope it helpded!
Regards,
Balazs.
On 23 September 2010 16:42, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote:
On 09/23/10 15:10, Polytropon wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:02:17 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht
me...@bristol.ac.uk wrote:
I've never seen a file under /usr/obj/ with immutable flag set.
I think it was a directory called empty/ that couldn't be removed
unless the flag was unset. This makes this step neccessary when
you rm -rf /usr/obj the object subtree.
I think you're thinking of /var/empty, not something under /usr/obj. On my
machine find fails to find anything immutable under /usr/obj.
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Re: rebuilding world - is chflags -R noschg * necessary?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 05:17:40PM +0200, Bal?zs M?t?ffy wrote: I think maybe in older releases the build process may have used the immutable flag at build??, but the test machine I tried, started out as maybe 5.2, and I never had this issue once. *skip* Anton if you wanna be sure just do it, or test it with the version you are using, but I don't think you will find any immutable files in /usr/obj I'm thinking about updating the handbook on this issue. So I was hoping to hear a definite answer that there will not be any files under /usr/obj/ with immutable flags. I can't see a need for immutable flag for obj files, but I have been wrong before.. thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:57:46PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: You don't have to choose one of those, there are lots of varied window managers, and advocates for each. There's an overview here on fd.o: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops. Many of those are in ports. That's a much shorter list than I would have expected to find. This offers an incomplete (but longer) list of window managers, all of which are copyfree licensed: http://copyfree.org/software/#WM What I have been using for a few years is actually first in alphabetical order there -- AHWM. It is quite minimal and fast, with great keyboard shortcut support (a necessity, given that it's intended to be primarily keyboard driven). A much more comprehensive list of window managers is the Comprehensive List of Window Managers for Unix: http://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html KDE, GNOME, and XFCE are more than window managers -- they are desktop environments. Some people like that kind of bloat . . . err, I mean that kind of feature-richness. Other examples include GNUstep (which uses WindowMaker as its default window manager) and Enlightenment. If I *had* to choose a complete DE, rather than just a window manager, I'd probably go with Enlightenment. Since I don't have to, though, I stick with something *truly* lightweight like AHWM. Your mileage may vary, of course. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp1WjJ6Jjn6v.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Mike Clarke jmc-freeb...@milibyte.co.ukwrote: When I first tried KDE4 it was much slower than KDE3, have things improved sufficiently since then for me to think about upgrading? If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot. 4.3 was pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been far more solid than not. All the base KDE apps seem to work appropriately, at least the ones I use. However in my use while KDE4 was unstable early, it was always faster than 3 at least when an app wasn't hung ;). Also for me, I went back and forth between 3 and 4 several times before finally sticking with 4. The UI does take some getting used too. Perhaps another part of the stability question is I don't turn on any of the fancy eye-candy effects. I don't use KDE because of the way it looks, I use it because it allows me to work in a efficient manner. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
which perl?
Hi, Todays ports tree has lang/perl5.10 and lang/perl5.12. A new 8.1-RELEASE jail in tinderbox using this ports tree is using perl5.10 by default. Should I leave this as is or should I be using 5.12? This is for a home desktop. eco# uname -a FreeBSD eco.config 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:55:53 UTC 2010 r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 thanks Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thursday 23 September 2010, Adam Vande More wrote: If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot. 4.3 was pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been far more solid than not. All the base KDE apps seem to work appropriately, at least the ones I use. However in my use while KDE4 was unstable early, it was always faster than 3 at least when an app wasn't hung ;). Also for me, I went back and forth between 3 and 4 several times before finally sticking with 4. The UI does take some getting used too. I think the version I tried was 4.3.1 so it looks like it might be worth giving 4.4 a try on my spare partition. My other problem with upgrading KDE is that I'd like to run both versions for a while until I'm happy, dual booting into one of 2 different FreeBSD systems but using the same /home partition. KMail seems to use different directories for storing mail for versions 3 and 4 so how do I go about being able to access all my mail from both systems? -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: which perl?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Hi, Todays ports tree has lang/perl5.10 and lang/perl5.12. A new 8.1-RELEASE jail in tinderbox using this ports tree is using perl5.10 by default. Should I leave this as is or should I be using 5.12? IMHO 5.10 is new enough! But the great thing about the Perl community is that it usually respects previous versions not like some other crazy, irresponsible communities such as PHP who can break your code from 5.2 to 5.3. This is for a home desktop. eco# uname -a FreeBSD eco.config 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:55:53 UTC 2010 r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 thanks Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: which perl?
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Hi, Todays ports tree has lang/perl5.10 and lang/perl5.12. A new 8.1-RELEASE jail in tinderbox using this ports tree is using perl5.10 by default. Should I leave this as is or should I be using 5.12? This is for a home desktop. eco# uname -a FreeBSD eco.config 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:55:53 UTC 2010 r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Of course you never know, but on my Desktop I have got 390 ports depending on perl5.12 and everything seems to work. Greetings Uli. thanks Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org | Peter Ulrich Kruppa | Wuppertal | Germany ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Python 2 and Python 3
Greetings... uname -a: FreeBSD whisperer.chthonixia.net 8.1-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 #0: Mon Sep 20 13:09:28 EDT 2010 r...@whisperer.chthonixia.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WHISPERER amd64 I am interested in installing Python 3 to follow examples in a beginner's programming book. I found this: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=17423 September 1st, 2010, 12:49 I have python 2.5, 2.6 and 3.1 installed. Python 2.6 is the default now I believe so you should not need to do anything special. To be safe you can edit make.conf to contain the following Code: PYTHON_VERSION=2.6 PYTHON_DEFAULT_VERSION=2.6 As I understand it, the entry into make.conf should keep me from breaking python-related things in the base or ports; yet allow me to call the version I want at the command line or via IDLE. Then, when Python is upgraded, I should change the make.conf entry to 2.7, or whatever it becomes. Is there any other recommendation(s) this list might offer? I don't have any major goals beyond those of a self-taught beginner, if that makes sense. Please feel free to Cc: me, as I am not subscribed to the list. Thanks for your time, and best regards, Joe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: which perl?
Quoth Peter Ulrich Kruppa on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Hi, Todays ports tree has lang/perl5.10 and lang/perl5.12. A new 8.1-RELEASE jail in tinderbox using this ports tree is using perl5.10 by default. Should I leave this as is or should I be using 5.12? This is for a home desktop. eco# uname -a FreeBSD eco.config 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:55:53 UTC 2010 r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Of course you never know, but on my Desktop I have got 390 ports depending on perl5.12 and everything seems to work. Greetings Uli. Ditto here. 220 dependent ports, no troubles. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpx8KNaG0CUS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Linux filesystems accessible from FreeBSD 8-stable?
I can't seem to get a definitive answer on this from the internet, there's a lot of conflicting information. I have some data drives formatted with ext4, which I'd like to access from freebsd, preferably without totally reformatting because I don't have much temp space for copying. Read-only would be fine, read-write would be much preferred. Is this possible? Am I missing the big ext4 drivers in freebsd/fuse/something sign? Does anyone happen to know if it's possible to migrate an ext4 drive back to ext3, which it seems I can access from bsd if I let it pretend the journal doesn't exist? -- Cheers, Leif ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Can that be done? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpJ60GALSc7k.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Can that be done? I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Can that be done? I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ Nope. The wiki doesn't present anything either. What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to workspace 3. When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7. I can easily specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title. I don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time I log in. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgprtWAYpPu9X.pgp Description: PGP signature
amr intermittant failures
uname -a FreeBSD mx6 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 07:18:07 UTC 2009 r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 dmesg.boot: amr0: LSILogic MegaRAID 1.53 mem 0xf80f-0xf80f,0xfe9e-0xfe9f irq 46 at device 14.0 on pci2 amr0: Using 64-bit DMA amr0: [ITHREAD] amr0: delete logical drives supported by controller amr0: LSILogic PERC 4e/Si Firmware 522A, BIOS H430, 256MB RAM errors: Sep 21 18:01:32 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80229fc8. Controller is likely dead Sep 21 21:51:32 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80229970. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 00:36:31 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe802201e0. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 03:01:36 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80229b40. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 03:02:25 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80228af0. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 03:05:54 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80228838. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 09:36:29 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80226d60. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 09:41:29 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe8022a7f0. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 10:11:29 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80229ee0. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 10:56:29 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80229b40. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 11:16:29 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80224668. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 11:31:29 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80224f78. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 16:46:28 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80226c78. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 16:51:28 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80229230. Controller is likely dead Sep 22 22:01:27 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80227758. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 03:02:38 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80225400. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 03:03:42 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe802260b0. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 03:06:05 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80225970. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 03:11:26 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe802280f8. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 03:16:26 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80226aa8. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 04:41:26 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe802294e8. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 09:21:25 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80225318. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 09:41:25 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80228a08. Controller is likely dea Sep 23 12:01:25 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe802296b8. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 12:06:25 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe802241e0. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 12:36:24 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe802281e0. Contro Sep 23 14:06:24 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80228bd8. Controller is likely dead Sep 23 14:21:24 mx6 kernel: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xfffe80225230. Controller is likely dead these are apparently non fatal. VERY busy relay-only postfix MX boxes, two of them have the same errors. Disk is getting hit hard with postfix logging and msg queueing. Len ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ Nope. The wiki doesn't present anything either. What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to workspace 3. When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7. I can easily specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title. I don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time I log in. Ah . . . I see. I'm not aware af that being a feature in scrotwm. The only thing I can suggest is to join the forum and ask. Like I said, scrotwm actively maintained and the devs will (likely) respond quickly. As far as what they say, suggestions are welcome, but they have to be persuaded. Best of luck. -Neal ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
If you prefer terminal applications you may get happy with blackbox. Its one of the smallest, but fully functional GUIs. And it is still kosher according to Unix standards. Its my favorite, I even prefer it to fluxbox, what is a little fancier. Cheers herb langhans -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau herbert.raimundatgmx.net http://www.langhans.com.pl +0048 603 341 441 | jabber:herbs | icq:414500866 | yahoo_im:herbert.raimund ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: rebuilding world - is chflags -R noschg * necessary?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 04:02, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bristol.ac.uk wrote: The fbsd manual states in section 24.7 Rebuilding world: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html in subsection 24.7.6 Remove /usr/obj *quote* Some files below /usr/obj may have the immutable flag set (see chflags(1) for more information) which must be removed first. # cd /usr/obj # chflags -R noschg * *end quote* I've never seen a file under /usr/obj/ with immutable flag set. Why would there be object files with immutable flag set? Is this step really necessary? It will happen on amd64 if you build the lib32 bits (i386 compatibility libraries). -- Rob Farmer many thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 22 September 2010 23:29, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) x11/xorg x11-wm/evilwm www/opera x11/rxvt echo evilwm -term rxvt -bw 2 ~/.xinitrc echo rxvt ~/.xinitrc google docs seems to work okay for _most_ of the junk that gets shoved down the tubes. There is no port for it, but theoretically you can compile siag office from sources. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpWhokOr90bo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I wondered the same thing myself. Haskell is compiled, and the result is very efficient. I also wondered why the mentions about being actively maintained -- it seems to me that xmonad gets updated pretty regularly. But I'm willing to give it a look. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpYQR1NSyG5D.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? My interpretation is that if you will be compiling software for a UNIX-like system, you will probably have some variant of a C compiler already available. Read as just build it and go versus just build its dependencies, then build it and go. Cheers, -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I wondered the same thing myself. Haskell is compiled, and the result is very efficient. I also wondered why the mentions about being actively maintained -- it seems to me that xmonad gets updated pretty regularly. I only mention scrotwm's active development, not to compare it's development to xmonad's, but to point out that your issues will be taken seriously . . . in a timely manner. . . not that they won't be take seriously in the xmonad setting. Please, use xmonad if it meets your requirements. I apologise for suggesting something. Chad P., take a pill ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? 1. Who said I took insult? You assume too much. 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway. Where's the punchline? 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page. Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpWwsil6KpeG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? 1. Who said I took insult? You assume too much. 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway. Where's the punchline? 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page. Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows. Some? sure. In the end, scrotwm is a simple wm that allows the gui-apprehensive-type folk a nice CLI in X. That's all I was suggesting. Shave and a haircut . . . Chad? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
