dhclient overwrites reslov.conf

2007-01-26 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
I'm in a LAN with a relatively short lease time. That wouldn't be a problem if 
I wouldn't run a vpnc connection through this LAN. The vpnc connection sets 
/etc/resolv.conf as required, but dhclient overwrites it every couple of 
minutes, causing DNS not to work any more. Is there a way to make dhclient set 
up resolv.conf only when the IP of the interface is changed?
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Re: HP Embedded SATA RAID controller (FreeBSD 6.2)

2007-01-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

- Original Message - 
From: George Vanev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: HP Embedded SATA RAID controller (FreeBSD 6.2)



 - Original Message - 
 From: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: George Vanev [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FreeBSD Questions
 freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:57 AM
 Subject: Re: HP Embedded SATA RAID controller (FreeBSD 6.2)


 
  Hi George!
 
  Common problem.  The issue isn't that the FreeBSD driver cannot talk
  to the SATA controller.  It can do that just fine.
 
  The problem is that HP is using a modified metadata format on the
  disk drives.
 
  What you need to do is go into the Proliant BIOS and DISABLE
  the SATA raid.  This of course means any raid arrays, mirrored or
  otherwise, that you have created, cannot be used from BIOS.  Just
  leave the BIOS settings so that the SATA controller is enabled, but
  the RAID on the SATA controller isn't.
 
  Then boot FreeBSD 6.2.  It will see 2 disk drives.  (or more or however
  many you got)
 
  Now, if you want a raid mirror here is what you do.  Load a scratch
  install of FreeBSD 6.2 on the first disk.  Run atacontrol to create a
  mirror on both disks.  This writes out a metadata format that FreeBSD's
  disk driver understands.  This will trash your freebsd install of
course.
  No problem.  Reboot from the installation CD and now you will see
  the 2 disks, plus ar0 (the mirror)   Install to that and your all set.
 
  Basically the only difference between doing it HP's way by creating
  the RAID from HP BIOS and doing it the FreeBSD way is that
  the HP BIOS is unaware of the FreeBSD metadata format so you
  cannot see or rebuild an array from BIOS that was created in
  FreeBSD, and FreeBSD is unaware
  of HP's metadata format so you cannot see or rebuild an array
  from FreeBSD that was created in BIOS
 
  As far as how the actual raid mirror works, it's exactly the same.
  In fact, better, since you can rebuild a FreeBSD array from
  FreeBSD and it's about 10 times faster than rebuilding it from
  HP's BIOS.
 
  Ted
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: George Vanev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:35 AM
  Subject: HP Embedded SATA RAID controller (FreeBSD 6.2)
 
 
  I have HP ProLiantML 110 G3 server.
  I am trying to install FreeBSD 6.2.
  But it doesn't seem to recognise the RAID controller.
  I don't know what exactly is the controller.
  In the hp site I didn't find anything usefull,
  except that this is HP embedded SATA RAID controller
  Not much, uh?!
 
  Any one could help?!
  Regards
  --
  George Vanev
 
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 Just great!!!
 Thanks a lot!!!

 But still it will use the hardware RAID controller, right?!
 It is not a software RAID, I hope.



I hate to disappoint you but the embedded SATA controller chip is
a software raid chip, whether you set it up with BIOS or with FreeBSD's
drivers.  Not that this matters, however.  Mirroring does not do parity
calculation and so there is no need for a hardware controller.  All the
SATA chip does when the driver sees a mirror is it sets a flag in the
SATA chip that tells the chip to duplicate any writes to both disks. Reads
always happen from the primary disk.

For true SATA hardware raid you need a card like a 3ware or highpoint
card, these can do raid 5, etc.

Ted

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Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems

2007-01-26 Thread Alex Zbyslaw

Robin Becker wrote:


The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm

They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only 
want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for 
FreeBSD.


I have complained.

Last week I had to listen to a clueless *%$£ proclaim on Radio 4 that 
Linux was the first open source operating system, so I complained about 
that too!


Might not make a difference, but with the BBC at least there's a chance.

--Alex



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Re: man sysinstall

2007-01-26 Thread Ceri Davies
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:28:39PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote:
 On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:54:47 +
 Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:05:13PM -0800, BSD Certification Team wrote:
   Hello all,
   
   The man page for sysinstall is pretty out of date.  I
   am trying to PXE boot to an unattended install.
   
   I figured out that I needed to add dists=base kernels
   GENERIC even though kernels and GENERIC are not in the
   list in the man page.
   
   Is there anyone in charge of updating this
   information?  I have never submitted an update.
  
  I guess that's me.  Could you please raise a PR and send me the number?
 
 I tried with almost every version of 5.X to get an unattended
 install working.  Never worked.  It seems as if sysinstall
 was looking only for a USB floppy drive.  Originally I started
 looking over the code to send in a PR and perhaps a patch,
 but became busy with other things.

I can't speak for 5.x because I didn't really run it, but this worked
for 6.x a year ago: http://typo.submonkey.net/articles/2006/02/12/

The OP's note about adding the kernels line is definitely needed and I'll
fix that (though I would really love a PR for it), but for anything
else, you have to send hardware (a laptop or Soekris, I'm not fussy!) :)

Ceri
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Re: man sysinstall

2007-01-26 Thread Ceri Davies
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 02:54:47PM +, Ceri Davies wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:05:13PM -0800, BSD Certification Team wrote:
  Hello all,
  
  The man page for sysinstall is pretty out of date.  I
  am trying to PXE boot to an unattended install.
  
  I figured out that I needed to add dists=base kernels
  GENERIC even though kernels and GENERIC are not in the
  list in the man page.
  
  Is there anyone in charge of updating this
  information?  I have never submitted an update.
 
 I guess that's me.  Could you please raise a PR and send me the number?

Actually, could you also (or just) send me your working install.cfg; I'm
not in a position to text PXE at the moment and it will help me
doublecheck that I'm doing it right.

Thanks,

Ceri
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Re: FreeBSD challenged by Internet

2007-01-26 Thread perryh
 The 2 systems, Windows or FreeBSD, cost the same.  That is,
 assuming that time=money.  Which everyone does, except for those
 who have so much money they don't have to work for a living, or
 those who have nothing and are perectly content to live with - nothing.

But I am not comparing Windoze with FreeBSD.  I am comparing
FreeBSD on a pre-owned box with FreeBSD on a brand-new box.

The software install costs about the same; probably a bit less on
average for an older box since it is less likely to have some new-
fangled net or RAID chip that wastes time finding out that FreeBSD
doesn't have a driver for it yet -- or that the driver only works
on CURRENT.

Then, add in the difference in the cost of the hardware, which in
the brand-new case has the cost of the pre-loaded OS bundled in
-- even though that OS is worth nothing to me since I plan to run
a different one.

Bottom line: a FreeBSD box built on older hardware is cheaper than
a FreeBSD box built on brand new hardware.  One tradeoff:  the CPU
in the older box most likely isn't as fast as the one in a new box;
that's critical for some uses but not for mine.  Another tradeoff:
unless I get *really* lucky, and happen upon an outfit that has just
swapped out a bunch of identical boxes, no two of my pre-owned boxes
are going to be alike.  That doesn't matter to me, but it would be a
very big deal if I were building a server farm.

 It is like owning property.  One person can have a plot he bought
 40 years ago for $5000  Right next to it another person can have
 the same size plot that's similar features he bought for $100K a
 week ago.

 The tax man is not going to say to the first person that your plot
 is only worth $5K  The plot has equity in it that makes it just as
 expensive as the $100K plot.

Granted the current property taxes are the same, but the situation
changes when they sell their respective properties.  The old-timer
is going to get socked for capital gains on $95K (unless it qualifies
for the personal-residence exemption, or he does a 1031 exchange, or
some such).

big snip

 If a guy buys a DSL account from DSL Only for $30 a month and 2
 months later DSL Only decides they are going to lower their price
 in leu of advertising to get more customers, what do you think
 said guy is going to do if one day he sees the price on DSL Only
 website to be lower?  I'll tell you, he and all DSL Only other
 customers are going to call in and demand the special deal, and
 all the sudden the DSL plan to get more customers has just blown
 up in their face.

And the same can't happen by word of mouth/email/etc?

 I don't believe there's an ISP in Portland that has current
 pricing on their site.

I found several just now, including DSL Only; most quoting the
ISP and telco charges separately but a couple providing a single
combined quote.  One linked off to a separate page for the telco
charges.  Surely you don't mean that the charges they are quoting
are *not* their current rates?

I have also got the notes from my previous research somewhere, but
it would take a while to figure out where.  I do remember that there
were plenty who *appeared* to have then-current pricing -- including
both their own charge and the line charge -- and that only one was
anywhere near cost-competitive with Verizon; and I presume that the
costs shown on such sites were the lowest available at the time.
(It seems pretty obvious that advertising a price that is not your
lowest then available, and that is clearly not competitive, is not
a terribly effective way to attract business.)

It may be a little less obvious that failing to advertise costs at
all -- or advertising only the ISP charge and leaving the reader
to guess at the line charge -- is not an effective way to generate
calls from those who are comparison-shopping and for whom cost is
a consideration.  I for one won't *bother* with calling someone
who doesn't disclose costs up front.  I figure, if they were truly
competitive, they would make a point of letting the public know
about it.

 ... Qwest does not stick it in pricing to the independent ISPs
 the way that Verizon does ... It is very much a chicken and egg
 problem.  No ISP is going to spend the money to interconnect with
 Verizon, sign a wholesale agreement, and all of that, until they
 have sufficient Verizon customers to have a business justification
 to do it.  But, in order to get that sufficient Verizon customer
 base, they have to have a wholesale agreement!!!

This is precisely the kind of thing I am referring to when I accuse
Verizon of violating the INTENT of the antitrust laws, even if they
manage to stay within the letter or convince the authorities to look
the other way.  It is one reason why I don't want to pay them any
more than necessary, and that includes paying their surcharge to
use a different ISP.  It would be a point in favor of an ISP with
a wholesale account.

 And last but not least is the ATM vs Frame thing.  Verizon
 initally deployed 

Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems

2007-01-26 Thread perryh
 They finally got around to posting linux usage but are apparently
 biased or too STOOPIT! to acknowlege *BSD...which seem really odd
 as a netcraft query returns:

 Solaris 9/10  Apache/2.0.54 (Unix)  16-Jan-2007  212.58.224.116
 BBC Internet Services, Docklands.

This says nothing either way about the cluefulness of BBC's
broadcast division, but in any event Solaris != FreeBSD.

Solaris is a descendant of SVR4, complete with STREAMS (and likely
other assorted silliness -- in both the kernel and the userland).
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Re: The BBC survey....

2007-01-26 Thread Martin Tournoij
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:07:57AM -0200, Sergio Lenzi wrote:
 Hello alll
 
 Even FreeBSD, or even any BSD (ok, OSX is BSD...) is mention in
 the BBC survey, I notice that:

OSX is _NOT_ FreeBSD.
It has a different kernel (based on Mach 3) and only uses userland tools from
FreeBSD, most of which are probably modified by the OSX team.
It also adds a lot of stuff (GUI for example)

 1) They claim that 90% of the persons use windows, but in the
 publish list, is just the contrary... only 2 ones use windows,
 and like it, and one of them just for games

It's probably more than 90%, the last study I saw (~2 years ago) said
that 98% of the users used windows.

Remember, a lot of users are completely unaware that there is a such a
thing as an operating system.
The people who reacted to the BBC article are computer nerds,
and are not representative for the average computer user.

Also, there is a _BIG_ difference in the desktop OS market and the server
OS market

 2) The person that likes windows vista, likes it because he
 can make a good backup to save things when he lost them,
 this shows a common thing that happens when you use windows... (you
 will lost something)...
 so you need backups, winzips, winrars, avg, norton...  and zilions
 of useless things
 that make your computer work better..  when in reality, all you need
 is a good gnome 2.16 or 
 a kde 3.5.4...
This can happen on FreeBSD to, the most common reason for loss of
data is hard disk failure, which has nothing to do with windows.

 3) 90% of the persons use the computer to write documents, access
 internet, and use email.
 so the number or persons using Mac and Linux is rasing
 4)  To use the vista, probably you will need an upgrade... (a good
 graphics for directx10,
 64bit cpu, and 2 gb of memory...)  here will cost 1000 dollars.. 
 5) more than half of the persons were windows users and switched to OSX
 or Linux
Not a shocking fact, since DOS/Windows has has a monopoly on the
desktop OS market for more than 15 years...

 Here in my country (Brazil) I am selling notebooks with FreeBSD and
 gnome 2.16
 to high executives. and is doing well.. so it shows that the success of
 the computer
 is in the easy of use and not in the features it has  The more
 important the person
 in the company, the easy to use and less features must have the
 computer. so
 for me, gnome is the best choice.
 
 Sergio
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6.2 STABLE?

2007-01-26 Thread Andreas Widerøe Andersen

I just finished making and installing world and a new kernel yesterday. I
had cvsup'ed the latest src/ports with releng 6_2.

I thought 6.2 STABLE was out, but a uname-a shows 6.2 RELEASE on my system.

Am I missing something? :-)

Best regards,
Andreas
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Re: 6.2 STABLE?

2007-01-26 Thread Frank Staals

Andreas Widerøe Andersen wrote:

I just finished making and installing world and a new kernel yesterday. I
had cvsup'ed the latest src/ports with releng 6_2.

I thought 6.2 STABLE was out, but a uname-a shows 6.2 RELEASE on my 
system.


Am I missing something? :-)

Best regards,
Andreas
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From 

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html :

RELENG_6

   The line of development for FreeBSD-6.X, also known as FreeBSD 6-STABLE

RELENG_6_2

   The release branch for FreeBSD-6.2, used only for security
   advisories and other critical fixes.

in short: use RELENG_6 if you want 6-STABLE


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Re: 6.2 STABLE?

2007-01-26 Thread Vince
Andreas Widerøe Andersen wrote:
 I just finished making and installing world and a new kernel yesterday. I
 had cvsup'ed the latest src/ports with releng 6_2.
 
 I thought 6.2 STABLE was out, but a uname-a shows 6.2 RELEASE on my system.
 
 Am I missing something? :-)
 
Kind of :) its just the naming conventions of FreeBSD. RELEASE means the
stable production release. STABLE means the cvs development branch that
will become the next RELEASE, thus 6.2 is the latest stable release.

If you really want to follow STABLE you need to do it via cvs/cvsup and
recompiling your entire system from time to time. However its name can
(occasionally) be a misnomer as it isnt always as stable as a release.


Hope that helps,

Vince


 Best regards,
 Andreas
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Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems

2007-01-26 Thread Martin Tournoij
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 08:54:44PM +1300, Juha Saarinen wrote:
 On 1/26/07, Grzegorz Pluta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 People from the media doesnt know that FreeBSD Unix exists.
 
 Rubbish. I have known about the existence of FreeBSD (and other BSD
 variants) for a great many years now.

I agree, when I started looking into alternatives to windows
(~3 years ago) I found more than enough information about *BSD, most of
which was pretty good to, since FreeBSD was the first alternative I
tried.
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Re: dhclient overwrites reslov.conf

2007-01-26 Thread Jeremy Gransden

On 1/26/07, [LoN]Kamikaze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm in a LAN with a relatively short lease time. That wouldn't be a
problem if I wouldn't run a vpnc connection through this LAN. The vpnc
connection sets /etc/resolv.conf as required, but dhclient overwrites it
every couple of minutes, causing DNS not to work any more. Is there a way to
make dhclient set up resolv.conf only when the IP of the interface is
changed?
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take a look at the /etc/dhclient.conf man page. You can add a line to set
dns servers.

example:
# $FreeBSD: src/etc/dhclient.conf,v 1.3 2001/10/27 03:14:37 rwatson Exp $
#
#   This file is required by the ISC DHCP client.
#   See ``man 5 dhclient.conf'' for details.
#
#   In most cases an empty file is sufficient for most people as the
#   defaults are usually fine.
#
prepend domain-name-server 130.253.166.41;

just change 130.253.166.41 with the correct value

jeremy
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Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems

2007-01-26 Thread Robert Huff

Juha Saarinen writes:

   People from the media doesnt know that FreeBSD Unix exists.
  
  Rubbish. I have known about the existence of FreeBSD (and other BSD
  variants) for a great many years now.

Indeed.  Not long after Linux appeared on the radar of the
general public, the tech reporter for my local paper (which, being
the /Boston Globe/ is not quite as tech-challenged as most
publications, but even so) did a very nice and very accurate called
something like The most important OS you've never heard about.



Robert Huff
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Re: PCBSD 6.2 -- How to Install Second CD?

2007-01-26 Thread Beni
On Monday 22 January 2007 03:31, Benjamin Sher wrote:
 Dear friends:

 Just installed the first CD of PCBSD 6.2. I also downloaded the second CD.
 How do I install it, please?

You don't install the 2nd cd... It contains : Description: CD #2 - 
Multi-Language support for KDE  Essential PBI Pack.
You mount the cd and use pkg_add or their own pbi-system to add programs or 
install an addional language.

More info is in the PC-BSD Knowledge Base.

Hope this helps,

Beni.
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Re: Messy ports, how to clean them up?

2007-01-26 Thread Andy Greenwood

On 1/26/07, Philip Hallstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well,
 I use portsnap and portupgrade on a regular basis and therefore I could
 watch very often the rebuild of ports - a nice and neat thing of FreeBSD.

 Bit sometimes I or someone else installs ports an they install
 dependencies and then he/she or I decide to kill/delete a specific port,
 but very often dependencies remains on the system and doing this
 deletion a couple of times will end in some 'zombie' remains of ports.

 Is there a way cleaning up automatically a messy ports collection? Like
 portupgrade does, only the opposite way, not rebuilding/reinstalling a
 rebuilt/upgraded port, looking for stale ports never used anymore by
 another port?

 Thanks a lot in advance,
 Oliver

 P.S. I'm not very familiar with the complexicity of the pkgtoolset and
 ports collection, sorry.


I prefer portmanager -slid.



I've always used pkg_rmleaves... pops up a nice little dialog listing all
the ports that aren't required by any other ports... check the ones you
want to get rid of...  on my non-serious boxes I tend to check anything I
don't recognize and/or things I know I want gone.

Then it repeats the process with any new ports that are no longer required
due to anything you just removed.

Seems to work pretty well for me...
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Renaming files in one shot

2007-01-26 Thread Vittorio
Under a directory I have many pdf files named according to M$ Windows 
rules, that is:

Marylin Monroe.pdf
James Stewart.pdf
Alice in 
Wonderland.pdf
Ludwig Van Beethoven.pdf
.
.

Now I'd like to 
rename them ** IN ONE SHOT ** (some more steps would be acceptable 
anyway!) deleting all the blanks, that is

MarylinMonroe.pdf
JamesStewart.pdf
AliceinWonderland.pdf
LudwigVanBeethoven.pdf



How can I do that?

Ciao
Vittorio
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Re: [Opinions Wanted] Dell PowerEdge 2950 Servers ...

2007-01-26 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 Have a friend that swears by them, but ... he's in the Linux camp, so tends 
 to 
 have a quasi-inside track ...
 
 What are ppls opinions on them as far as FreeBSD is concerned?
 
 Also, interested in what sort of specs ppl are running ... I'm interested in 
 going with an 8xSAS drive system, dual-dual-core, figuring 10 or 16G of RAM 
 ... 
 redundant power and the Dell Remote Access Card ...

We have 4 1950s and 3 2950s in use around here.  Only one is actually in
production so far, the rest are still being configured, etc.

We're mostly happy with them.  The following is a list of caveats:

*) The version 5 DRAC is nicer than the version 4, _except_ that you have
   to use a Windows client to connect to it.  May not be an issue for you,
   but all our admins here use FreeBSD on their workstations :(
*) There's an issue where the systems will hang on reboot about 50% of the
   time.  I tried to track this down but found that if I added any debugging
   code, the problem disappeared :(  It's not a big deal for three reasons --
   we don't reboot servers very often, the hang occurs after the disks
   are synced so it doesn't trigger an fsck, and we have DRAC cards in
   all of them :)
*) The new PERC controllers use the mfi driver, which works well as far as
   we can tell ... unfortunately, there's no equivalent to megarc (which we
   use with 1850 and 2950 systems) so we have been unable to come up with
   a way to monitor the health of the RAID arrays from within the OS.
*) Make sure you use a recent version of FreeBSD (6.2).  The NIC cards on
   these use the bge driver, which was buggy as hell prior to 6.2.

The biggest benefit we noticed when moving from the x850 to the x950 systems
is that the IPMI and DRAC cards perform much better.  It's a shame that Dell
decided to use ActiveX for the v5 DRAC :(

-- 
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Collaborative Fusion Inc.
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Re: Renaming files in one shot

2007-01-26 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, January 26, 2007 a las 02:36:03PM +0100, Vittorio escribió:

 Under a directory I have many pdf files named according to M$ Windows 
 rules, that is:
 
 Marylin Monroe.pdf
 James Stewart.pdf
 Alice in 
 Wonderland.pdf
 Ludwig Van Beethoven.pdf
 .
 .
 
 Now I'd like to 
 rename them ** IN ONE SHOT ** (some more steps would be acceptable 
 anyway!) deleting all the blanks, that is
 
 MarylinMonroe.pdf
 JamesStewart.pdf
 AliceinWonderland.pdf
 LudwigVanBeethoven.pdf
 
 
 
 How can I do that?

with something like:

$ for i in *.pdf ; do mv $i `echo $i | sed 's/ //g'` ; done

(make a backup before :-))

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Re: [Opinions Wanted] Dell PowerEdge 2950 Servers ...

2007-01-26 Thread David Robillard

Have a friend that swears by them, but ... he's in the Linux camp, so tends to
have a quasi-inside track ...

What are ppls opinions on them as far as FreeBSD is concerned?

Also, interested in what sort of specs ppl are running ... I'm interested in
going with an 8xSAS drive system, dual-dual-core, figuring 10 or 16G of RAM ...
redundant power and the Dell Remote Access Card ...


My personal experience with Dell is that it's ok until you hit a
problem. Then it's hell. So bad, in fact, that we don't purchase them
anymore and have gone with IBM and HP systems for our FreeBSD, RedHat
and Windows machines.

IMHO, the problem with Dell is not their hardware, but their support
(or lack of it).

If you plan on running your Business on Dell, be prepared for
Incredibly bad and horrible support. Be it consumer product support or
Enterprise 24/7/365 type support.

Dell support is a total waste of money and time, but a superb source
of frustration. (so if you're looking to get frustrated, there's your
chance :) I even had to way two complete days (!) to resolve a
24/7/365 type support call ! Pathetic, really.

Not to say that the hardware is good, far from that. Place equivalent
IBM, Dell, HP and Sun machines next to one another and you quickly see
that Dell uses sub-quality parts. There is less precise documentation
printed directly on the machine (a technique IBM and Sun have
mastered). You often need two or three different screwdrivers to take
the various pieces apart. While with the other Tier-1 vendors, most
pieces don't even require any tool at all.

Finally, the Documentation that is shipped with the Dell machines is
of dubious quality compared with the other top vendors.

So, to sum up, I strongly recommend going with either IBM or HP for
FreeBSD systems. With them, you get quality hardware and real support.
Of course it might be a bit more expensive. But it's worth it. Well,
you get what you pay for don't you?

YMMV of course.

Cheers,

David
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Re: [OT] Does ~ always point to $HOME?

2007-01-26 Thread Karol Kwiatkowski
Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 26, 2007, Dak Ghatikachalam wrote:
 I write shells script extensively , I have noticed

 ~  - gets a subsitution for $HOME
 ~userid   - gets you the $HOME for that user

 meaning if  you have  have logged in as root and  if you want to run some
 script on oracle home even though you logged in as root  you can simplly

 ~oracle/runme.sh  --  will run the runme.sh in Oracle home directory
 
 While that's true for most shells, bash, csh, tcsh, etc., it
 doesn't work on true Bourne /bin/sh shells (e.g. SCO OpenServer
 5.0.6a and earlier and probably others with Bell Labs ancestors).

Not sure what I'm missing, is FreeBSD's /bin/sh shell not true Bourne
Shell? Was it extended in some way from traditional one?

% [EMAIL PROTECTED] uname -spr
% FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE i386
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% [EMAIL PROTECTED] cd test
% [EMAIL PROTECTED] pwd
% /home/karol/test
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% /home/karol
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% [EMAIL PROTECTED] pwd
% /home/kadu


 It's a Good Idea(tm) when writing scripts that may be used on
 many systems to program defensively, for the lowest common
 denominator to avoid pitfalls like this.

 Bill

Agreed.

Karol

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Re: [Opinions Wanted] Dell PowerEdge 2950 Servers ...

2007-01-26 Thread chris neill
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 09:41:19AM -0500, David Robillard wrote:
 My personal experience with Dell is that it's ok until you hit a
 problem. Then it's hell. So bad, in fact, that we don't purchase them
 anymore and have gone with IBM and HP systems for our FreeBSD, RedHat
 and Windows machines.

Can you say PERC?

 
 IMHO, the problem with Dell is not their hardware, but their support
 (or lack of it).

Ditto -- We had a (duh) PERC 3/di go south on a PE2550 and getting Dell to
fix it was like pulling teeth. Once I finally leaned on them enough to get
them to agree to an RMA, I had to wait until the next day for the part to be
courried to my datacenter (which was a slight gaff, since they don't usually
do SR), and another couple of hours for the guy to show up.

 
 If you plan on running your Business on Dell, be prepared for
 Incredibly bad and horrible support. Be it consumer product support or
 Enterprise 24/7/365 type support.
 

Agreed.. and since FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE runs on Sun X86-64 servers (X2100,
X4100, X4200), I don't see any reason to have to bother with it.

However, I do have a handful of PE2950s in deployment, just upgraded them all
to 6.2-RELEASE, no problems yet (unlike those crappy SuperMicro Pentium D
boards).

Cheers,
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Re: [OT] Does ~ always point to $HOME?

2007-01-26 Thread Joerg Pernfuss
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:21:14 +0100
Karol Kwiatkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  While that's true for most shells, bash, csh, tcsh, etc., it
  doesn't work on true Bourne /bin/sh shells (e.g. SCO OpenServer
  5.0.6a and earlier and probably others with Bell Labs ancestors).
 
 Not sure what I'm missing, is FreeBSD's /bin/sh shell not true
 Bourne Shell? Was it extended in some way from traditional one?

FreeBSD /bin/sh is actually an ash, which roughly translates into
a POSIX shell with a few additions that do not break compatibility.
At least that is how I understood it.

Joerg
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Re: [Opinions Wanted] Dell PowerEdge 2950 Servers ...

2007-01-26 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jan 26), chris neill said:
 On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 09:41:19AM -0500, David Robillard wrote:
  IMHO, the problem with Dell is not their hardware, but their
  support (or lack of it).
 
 Ditto -- We had a (duh) PERC 3/di go south on a PE2550 and getting
 Dell to fix it was like pulling teeth. Once I finally leaned on them
 enough to get them to agree to an RMA, I had to wait until the next
 day for the part to be courried to my datacenter (which was a slight
 gaff, since they don't usually do SR), and another couple of hours
 for the guy to show up.

Maybe it depends on you you end up talking to.  We recently had a PERC
4e/Di go bad in one of our PE2800s.  Dell sent us a new motherboard
same day and we replaced it ourselves in 2 hours (took so long only
because we had never done it before).  It did ship with an out-of-date
BIOS, though, so it took a while to flash everything up.

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Re: Renaming files in one shot

2007-01-26 Thread Dhénin Jean-Jacques

# more ~/bin/renomme
NUM=$1
shift
NOUVEAU=`echo $* | sed 's/ /_/g' `

find . -inum $NUM -exec ln {} $NOUVEAU \;


2007/1/26, Vittorio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Under a directory I have many pdf files named according to M$ Windows
rules, that is:

Marylin Monroe.pdf
James Stewart.pdf
Alice in
Wonderland.pdf
Ludwig Van Beethoven.pdf
.
.

Now I'd like to
rename them ** IN ONE SHOT ** (some more steps would be acceptable
anyway!) deleting all the blanks, that is

MarylinMonroe.pdf
JamesStewart.pdf
AliceinWonderland.pdf
LudwigVanBeethoven.pdf



How can I do that?

Ciao
Vittorio
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BIND tool for setting up secondary records?

2007-01-26 Thread Robert Fitzpatrick
I am not a member of a BIND list, so I thought I'd ask here first if
anyone knows of a script tool that will query a primary name server and
setup secondary records on another BIND server? Or any other solution
for doing mass entries of domains to a BIND server to setup secondary
records with the same primary master?

-- 
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Re: BIND tool for setting up secondary records?

2007-01-26 Thread John Nielsen
On Friday 26 January 2007 10:50, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote:
 I am not a member of a BIND list, so I thought I'd ask here first if
 anyone knows of a script tool that will query a primary name server and
 setup secondary records on another BIND server? Or any other solution
 for doing mass entries of domains to a BIND server to setup secondary
 records with the same primary master?

If you set up a slave domain it will automatically query and stay in sync with 
the master nameserver.

I use scripts on both ends for most new domains. Here's the files from the 
slave side:

=== begin addconf.sh ===
#!/bin/sh
DATADIR=/etc/namedb/conf
TEMPLATE=/etc/namedb/templates/default.bind

usage() {
echo Usage: $0 \domain.name\ [templatefile]
exit 1;
}

if [ $2 ] ; then
if [ -r $2 ] ; then
TEMPLATE=$2
else
usage
fi
fi

if [ $1 ] ; then
DOMAIN=$1
else
usage
fi

echo -n Configuring ${DOMAIN} using ${TEMPLATE}..
cat ${TEMPLATE} | sed -e s/%%DOMAIN%%/${DOMAIN}/g  
${DATADIR}/${DOMAIN}.bind
echo  done.
=== end addconf.sh ===

=== begin default.bind ===
zone %%DOMAIN%% {
type slave;
file slave/%%DOMAIN%%.bak;
masters { my.master.server.ip; };
allow-query { 0.0.0.0/0; };
};
=== end default.bind ===

=== begin make-conf.sh ===
#!/bin/sh
inputfile=/etc/namedb/templates/named.conf.in
outputfile=/etc/namedb/named.conf
backupfile=/etc/namedb/backups/named.conf.old
confdir=/etc/namedb/conf

if [ -r ${outputfile} ] ; then
echo Backing up current file to ${backupfile}..
mv -f ${outputfile} ${backupfile}
fi
echo -n Generating ${outputfile}..
cp -f ${inputfile} ${outputfile}
for conffile in ${confdir}/*.bind; do
echo include \${conffile}\;  $outputfile
done
echo  done.
=== end make-conf.sh ===

For named.conf.in you just want your normal named.conf file that doesn't 
include any of the domains defined in ${confdir}. Figuring out the rest of it 
I leave as an exercise for the reader, but I'm happy to answer specific 
questions.

JN
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Re: [Opinions Wanted] Dell PowerEdge 2950 Servers ...

2007-01-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 11:46:02PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

 Have a friend that swears by them, but ... he's in the Linux camp, so tends 
 to 
 have a quasi-inside track ...
 
 What are ppls opinions on them as far as FreeBSD is concerned?
 
 Also, interested in what sort of specs ppl are running ... I'm interested in 
 going with an 8xSAS drive system, dual-dual-core, figuring 10 or 16G of RAM 
 ... 
 redundant power and the Dell Remote Access Card ...

We have had no problems with them, though I don't think we have had
any decked out quite that heavy.

jerry

 
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Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems

2007-01-26 Thread Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri

On 1/26/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Juha Saarinen writes:

   People from the media doesnt know that FreeBSD Unix exists.

  Rubbish. I have known about the existence of FreeBSD (and other BSD
  variants) for a great many years now.

Indeed.  Not long after Linux appeared on the radar of the
general public, the tech reporter for my local paper (which, being
the /Boston Globe/ is not quite as tech-challenged as most
publications, but even so) did a very nice and very accurate called
something like The most important OS you've never heard about.



Robert Huff


I think PCBSD 1.3 and DesktopBSD 1.6 will change this soon, since they
are making FreeBSD desktop ready for workstations, pcs, and laptops

Check http://www.bsdstats.org/ and see PCBSD rank now ;)

The only thing is needed to boost FreeBSD image as a desktop ready OS
is missing Flash native player.

I have filled feature request in adobe to port Flash player to FreeBSD as well.

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how to access /stand after the package installed

2007-01-26 Thread Douglas Song
How can I access /stand directory in FreeBSD 6.2 using postinstall
script of   the customerized  package? I can do that in Freebsd 5.3.

 

Thanks.

 

Douglas Song

 

 

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Re: The BBC survey....

2007-01-26 Thread Peter A. Giessel
On 2007/01/26 0:42, Martin Tournoij seems to have typed:
 It's probably more than 90%, the last study I saw (~2 years ago) said
 that 98% of the users used windows.

That survey is clearly wrong.  With Apple pulling 4-5% of the (new)
market, and the average time between replacements being higher with
MacOS over Windows, the absolute largest percentage that use Windows
would be 96%.  Any number higher than that is clearly wrong.  That
assumes everybody who doesn't buy a Mac runs Windows.  So that would
be 0.0% market share for every variant of Linux and every variant of
BSD.  Assume a higher than 0.0% market share for the open source OS's
and the maximum value for windows further declines.  My gut feeling is
that the 90% number is about right, but I would believe anything from
85%-94%.  Any higher than 94% can't be right.  There are obviously more
than zero BSD and Linux users.  :)
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Re: how to access /stand after the package installed

2007-01-26 Thread chris neill
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:12:37AM -0500, Douglas Song wrote:
 How can I access /stand directory in FreeBSD 6.2 using postinstall
 script of   the customerized  package? I can do that in Freebsd 5.3.
 

It moved:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [8:49am](2):72:/root# which sysinstall
/usr/sbin/sysinstall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [8:49am](2):73:/root# whatis sysinstall
sysinstall(8)- system installation and configuration tool
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [8:49am](2):74:/root# uname -a
FreeBSD detroit.prod.biz360.com 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 
08:32:24 UTC 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64

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Re: 6.2 STABLE?

2007-01-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 10:35:32AM +0100, Andreas Wider?e Andersen wrote:

 I just finished making and installing world and a new kernel yesterday. I
 had cvsup'ed the latest src/ports with releng 6_2.
 
 I thought 6.2 STABLE was out, but a uname-a shows 6.2 RELEASE on my system.
 
 Am I missing something? :-)

No.  You have what you want, I think.
RELEASE is the tested and vetted final product.   
STABLE is just a snapshot of work in progress.

Of course, RELEASE is also a snapshot, but it is frosen, tested, ports
brought up to snuff, etc and then released.   
STABLE is just CURRENT in kind of reliable condition.
Install RELEASE and then CVSUP to   *default tag=RELENG_6_2
or possibly   *default tag=RELENG_6
to keep up to date with security patches.

jerry

 
 Best regards,
 Andreas
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How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions

2007-01-26 Thread Greg Lehey

How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions.
===

Last update $Date: 2005/08/10 02:21:44 $

This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list.  If
you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender
thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your
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If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you
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Read on, and your next message will be more successful.

This document is also available on the web at
http://www.lemis.com/questions.html.

=

Contents:

I:Introduction
II:   How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions
III:  Should I ask -questions or -hackers?
IV:   How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions
V:How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions

I: Introduction
===

This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from
FreeBSD-questions (the newcomers), and also those who answer the
questions (the hackers).

   Note that the term hacker has nothing to do with breaking
   into other people's computers.  The correct term for the latter
   activity is cracker, but the popular press hasn't found out
   yet.  The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking
   security, and have nothing to do with it.

In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the
different viewpoints of the two groups.  The newcomers accused the
hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers
accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English,
and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.  Of
course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the
most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration.

In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration
and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions.  In the
following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that,
we'll look at how to answer one.

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The Complete FreeBSD: errata and addenda

2007-01-26 Thread Greg Lehey
The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page
or any other online documentation.  The result is that most leading edge
computer books are out of date almost before they are printed.  Unfortunately,
The Complete FreeBSD, published by O'Reilly, is no exception.  Inevitably, a
number of bugs and changes have surfaced.

The Complete FreeBSD has been through a total of five editions, including its
predecessor Installing and Running FreeBSD.  Two of these have been reprinted
with corrections.  I maintain a series of errata pages.  Start at
http://www.lemis.com/errata-4.html to find out how to get the errata
information.

Note also that the book has now been released for free download in PDF
form.  Instead of downloading the changed pages, you may prefer to
download the entire book.  See http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ 
for more information.

Have you found a problem with the book, or maybe something confusing?
Please let me know: I'm no longer constantly updating it, but I may be
able to help

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mknod, devfs and FreeBSD

2007-01-26 Thread Freminlins

Hello,

I have a web server still running FreeBSD 4.7 which I want to update to
FreeBSD 6.2. There are quite a few sites on this machine, and each of them
has a chroot containing their own /dev. In their /dev are things like null,
zero, random and so on.

I don't really want to set up or mount numerous devfs file systems. I tried
creating the the relevent files using mknod but they don't work. What is the
best way to proceed?

Thanks,
Frem.
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Postgresql 8.1: plperl code works with LATIN1, fails with UTF8

2007-01-26 Thread Philippe Lang
Hi,

I've got plperl code that works just fine when the database is encoded using 
LATIN1, but fails as soon as I switch to UTF8.

I've been testing PG 8.1.4 under Linux, and PG 8.1.6 under FreeBSD, both behave 
exactly the save.

I'm sorry I'm not able to strip down the code, and show you a small test, but 
if anyone need the full script, feel free to ask me per email.

The code is made up of plperl routines, all structured in the same way, but 
only one of them fails in UTF8. It is:


#
CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION public.volets_fiche_fab_1
(
IN  id_commande int4,

OUT pos int4,
OUT quant   int4,
OUT nbre_vtxint4,
OUT nbre_vtx_total  int4,
OUT larg_maconnerie int4,
OUT haut_maconnerie int4,
OUT larg_vtxvarchar(20),
OUT haut_vtxint4,
OUT ouv int4,
OUT couvre_joints   text,
OUT coupe_verticale text,
OUT vide_interieur  varchar(20),
OUT typ varchar(20)
)
RETURNS SETOF record
AS

$$

BEGIN { strict-import(); }


#
#-- Lexical variables

#
my @i;
my @io;
my @o;
my $i;
my $io;
my $o;
my %input;
my %output;
my $fab;
my $fab_nrows;
my $lignes_query;
my $lignes;
my $lignes_nrows;
my $lignes_rn;
my $c;
my $j;
my $key;
my $value;
my $ordre;
my $vtxg;
my $vtxd;


#
#-- Helper functions

#
my $init = sub
{
$c = 0;
foreach $i (@i) {$input{$i} = @_[$c++]};
foreach $io (@io) {$input{$io} = @_[$c]; $output{$io} = @_[$c++]};
foreach $o (@o) {$output{$o} = @_[$c++]};
};

my $start_sub = sub
{
$init(@_);
};

my $end_sub = sub
{
return undef;
};

my $ret = sub
{
while (($key, $value) = each %output) {if (!defined($value)) 
{elog(ERROR, 'Valeur indéfinie pour ' . $key)}}; 
return_next \%output;
$init(@_);
};


#
#-- Configuration des paramètres de la fonction

#
@i = ( 'id_commande'
 );

@io = ();

@o = ( 'pos',
   'quant', 
   'nbre_vtx',
   'nbre_vtx_total',
   'larg_maconnerie', 
   'haut_maconnerie',
   'larg_vtx', 
   'haut_vtx',
   'ouv',
   'couvre_joints',
   'coupe_verticale',
   'vide_interieur',
   'typ'
 );


#
#-- Préparation des paramètres de la fonction

#
$start_sub(@_);


#
#-- Création de la fiche de fabrication

#
$lignes_query = 'SELECT * FROM lignes WHERE id_commande = ' . 
$input{'id_commande'} . ' ORDER BY pos;';
$lignes = spi_exec_query($lignes_query);
$lignes_nrows = $lignes-{processed};
foreach $lignes_rn (0 .. $lignes_nrows - 1) 
{
# Fabrication de la ligne
$fab = spi_exec_query('SELECT * FROM volets_fab(' . 
$lignes-{rows}[$lignes_rn]-{'id'} . ');');
$fab_nrows = $fab-{processed};

# Recherches des éventuels vantaux de gauche et droite
for ($j = 0; ($fab-{rows}[$j]-{'article'} ne 'Largeur de vantail 
gauche') and ($j  $fab_nrows); $j = $j + 1) {};
if ($j  $fab_nrows) { $vtxg = $fab-{rows}[$j]-{'larg'}; }
for ($j = 0; ($fab-{rows}[$j]-{'article'} ne 'Largeur de vantail 
droite') and ($j  $fab_nrows); $j = $j + 1) {};
if ($j  $fab_nrows) { $vtxd = $fab-{rows}[$j]-{'larg'}; }

# Position
$output{'pos'} = $lignes-{rows}[$lignes_rn]-{'pos'};

# Quantité
$output{'quant'} = $lignes-{rows}[$lignes_rn]-{'quant'};

# Nombre de vantaux
$output{'nbre_vtx'} = $lignes-{rows}[$lignes_rn]-{'nbre_vtx'};

# Nombre de vantaux total
$output{'nbre_vtx_total'} = $lignes-{rows}[$lignes_rn]-{'nbre_vtx'} * 
$lignes-{rows}[$lignes_rn]-{'quant'};

# Largeur de maçonnerie
for ($j = 0; ($fab-{rows}[$j]-{'article'} ne 'Largeur de maçonnerie') 
and ($j  $fab_nrows); $j = $j + 1) {};
if ($j  $fab_nrows) 

Re: [OT] Does ~ always point to $HOME?

2007-01-26 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007, Joerg Pernfuss wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:21:14 +0100
Karol Kwiatkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  While that's true for most shells, bash, csh, tcsh, etc., it
  doesn't work on true Bourne /bin/sh shells (e.g. SCO OpenServer
  5.0.6a and earlier and probably others with Bell Labs ancestors).
 
 Not sure what I'm missing, is FreeBSD's /bin/sh shell not true
 Bourne Shell? Was it extended in some way from traditional one?

FreeBSD /bin/sh is actually an ash, which roughly translates into
a POSIX shell with a few additions that do not break compatibility.
At least that is how I understood it.

My point isn't whether the FreeBSD /bin/sh expands it, but that not all
systems are FreeBSD, and that one can have problems on other *NIX systems.

Knowing where there may be differences, and avoiding the assumptions that a
program behaves the same on all systems, can help writing code that's
portable without surprises.

One of the major reasons I have been using GNU utilities on Unix systems
for twenty-plus years, built with the ``g'' prefix, is to have a common set
of programs which behave the same regardless of platform.  Stallman would
probably say I ran GNU/Xenix, GNU/SunOS, GNU/OpenServer, etc.

Bill
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OT: Function not recognized while calling a function from awk

2007-01-26 Thread Dak Ghatikachalam

Dear Freebsd


I have something strange problem happening any input would be great

for some reason the Korn shell is not detecting  the function that I am
calling from awk

Actual code excerpt is

function dogdied
{
   echo Why the hell did you die in $1
}

export dogdied

RESTORE_LOCATION=/u03/oradata,/u01/app/oracle/oradata/,/u02/oradata

echo $RESTORE_LOCATION |
awk -F, '{
for (i=1; i=NF ;i++)
{ system (dogdied $i)
print $i
}
}
'



Output looks like below

-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/u01/app/oraclefunction dogdied

{
echo Why the hell did you die in $1
}

[EMAIL PROTECTED]/u01/app/oracle
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/u01/app/oracleexport dogdied
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/u01/app/oracle
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/u01/app/oracle/oradata/,/u02/oradata

[EMAIL PROTECTED]/u01/app/oracle
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/u01/app/oracleecho $RESTORE_LOCATION |

awk -F, '{
for (i=1; i=NF ;i++)
{ system (dogdied $i)
print $i
 }
}
 '

sh: line 1: dogdied: command not found
/u03/oradata
sh: line 1: dogdied: command not found
/u01/app/oracle/oradata/
sh: line 1: dogdied: command not found
/u02/oradata
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/u01/app/oracle


Any idea

Thanks
Dak
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Re: [Opinions Wanted] Dell PowerEdge 2950 Servers ...

2007-01-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 08:59:43AM -0500, Bill Moran wrote:

 In response to Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
...  Some excised
 
 We have 4 1950s and 3 2950s in use around here.  Only one is actually in
 production so far, the rest are still being configured, etc.
 
 We're mostly happy with them.  The following is a list of caveats:
 
 *) The version 5 DRAC is nicer than the version 4, _except_ that you have
to use a Windows client to connect to it.  May not be an issue for you,
but all our admins here use FreeBSD on their workstations :(

Have you tried 'rdesktop' in the portst at /usr/ports/net/rdesktop
or /usr/ports/net/xrdesktop?

I don't know if it would apply to this, but it works for me in
some other situations or similar MS annoyance.

jerry

... much excised
 
 -- 
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Best Blog Ap in the Ports?

2007-01-26 Thread chris
What is the best blog ap in the ports tree?  I was thinking of starting a
blog on my server for my Chemistry Students.

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Re: [Opinions Wanted] Dell PowerEdge 2950 Servers ...

2007-01-26 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 08:59:43AM -0500, Bill Moran wrote:
 
  In response to Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
 ...  Some excised
  
  We have 4 1950s and 3 2950s in use around here.  Only one is actually in
  production so far, the rest are still being configured, etc.
  
  We're mostly happy with them.  The following is a list of caveats:
  
  *) The version 5 DRAC is nicer than the version 4, _except_ that you have
 to use a Windows client to connect to it.  May not be an issue for you,
 but all our admins here use FreeBSD on their workstations :(
 
 Have you tried 'rdesktop' in the portst at /usr/ports/net/rdesktop
 or /usr/ports/net/xrdesktop?
 
 I don't know if it would apply to this, but it works for me in
 some other situations or similar MS annoyance.

The Dell DRAC is not based on the RDP protocol.  It uses some kind of
Dell-specific communication that seems to mimic VNC -- but standard
VNC clients don't work with it.  Version 4 DRAC provided a java client
that worked fine on just about any OS we use, but the DRAC 5 requires
some ActiveX component and doesn't run on non-MS systems.

Luckily, there's qemu, but it's still not a perfect match.  Qemu tends
to be s l  ow.

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Collaborative Fusion Inc.
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Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD

2007-01-26 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:40:24PM +, Freminlins wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I have a web server still running FreeBSD 4.7 which I want to update to
 FreeBSD 6.2. There are quite a few sites on this machine, and each of them
 has a chroot containing their own /dev. In their /dev are things like null,
 zero, random and so on.
 
 I don't really want to set up or mount numerous devfs file systems. I tried
 creating the the relevent files using mknod but they don't work. What is the
 best way to proceed?

Set up and mount numerous devfs file systems ;)

Really it's not hard, you just specify the devices you want with a
simple devfs(8) ruleset.

Kris


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Re: Best Blog Ap in the Ports?

2007-01-26 Thread Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri

On 1/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is the best blog ap in the ports tree?  I was thinking of starting a
blog on my server for my Chemistry Students.

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I would say wordpress :)

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Re: Best Blog Ap in the Ports?

2007-01-26 Thread eoghan

On 26 Jan 2007, at 17:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is the best blog ap in the ports tree?  I was thinking of  
starting a

blog on my server for my Chemistry Students.


There is wordpress:
/usr/ports/www/wordpress/
homepage: http://wordpress.org/
dont use it but its a nice app.
Regards
Eoghan

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ISL intervlan routing

2007-01-26 Thread Fabrice Janczuk
Hello all,
   
  For information, i'm french and my english is very bad.
   
  ISL encapsulation is it compatible with FreeBSD for intervlan routing???
   
   
  Thanks


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[SOLVED] Re: laptop screen always shutdown if no keyboard interaction for several minutes

2007-01-26 Thread Zhang Weiwu
在 2007-01-23二的 16:47 +0800,Zhang Weiwu写道:
 Hello. I tried various ways to stop the laptop screen from being
 shutting down, as I use this screen to watch debug message of an
 application I am working on, I need monitor always on, no screensaver,
 no blank, no dpms etc.
 
 I cannot do it. I have tried:
  1. set blanktime to NO in /etc/rc.conf
  2. set saver to NO in /etc/rc.conf
  3. start X server and run a terminal in it, run xset -dpms
  4. check laptop BIOS setting (there is no setting for automatic
 blank time
 
 I have not tried:
  I. remove 'apm' from kernel (I didn't compile ACPI into kernel
 because this is an old notebook I am not sure if ACPI works, but
 I have compiled apm in kernel, which is not shown in dmesg and
 doesn't seem to work, e.g. 'shutdown -p' do not turn off the
 power)
 II. install Windows on the same computer to see if Windows can keep
 the monitor on.
III. boot the system to FreeDOS and see if monitor keep turned up (to
 decide if LCD is turned off by hardware or software)

I have solved my problem. I cannot / didn't make APM work on my FreeBSD
so basicaly turning of LCD/DFP is done by BIOS on its own.  So my
problem is actually not related to OS (FreeBSD). The solution:

1) get an IBM BIOS upgrade diskette (do a search on IBM website can find
this diskette very easily;
2) use this diskette upgrade BISO from my current version (some version
released in 1998) to the latest one (released in 1999).

The new bios default setting is chagned a lot, including a change that
by default BIOS lcd turn-off timer is not activated.

If someone got the same problem as I got and don't wish to upgrade BIOS
(as stated in an very early post I found by googling around, the latest
BISO breaks apm feature on FreeBSD, not confirmed and don't know if this
is a problem already solved) you can still get a Configuration utility
for DOS - ThinkPad General (UTTPFDOS.EXE) from IBM (now Lenovo)
website. Use it to configure BIOS to turn of timer.

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Re: [Opinions Wanted] Dell PowerEdge 2950 Servers ...

2007-01-26 Thread Marc G. Fournier
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- --On Friday, January 26, 2007 08:59:43 -0500 Bill Moran 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We have 4 1950s and 3 2950s in use around here.  Only one is actually in
 production so far, the rest are still being configured, etc.

 We're mostly happy with them.  The following is a list of caveats:

 *) The version 5 DRAC is nicer than the version 4, _except_ that you have
to use a Windows client to connect to it.  May not be an issue for you,
but all our admins here use FreeBSD on their workstations :(

I use FreeBSD for my 'get real work done' desktop, and Windows for games and 
the books ... so, having to run the DRAC client on it won't be an issue ... I 
do it now for the HPs since it gives me two screens to work with ...

 *) There's an issue where the systems will hang on reboot about 50% of the
time.  I tried to track this down but found that if I added any debugging
code, the problem disappeared :(  It's not a big deal for three reasons --
we don't reboot servers very often, the hang occurs after the disks
are synced so it doesn't trigger an fsck, and we have DRAC cards in
all of them :)

'k, so the hang is as its coming down, not coming up, right?  If so, then that 
I can live with so same reasons as you ... will definitely have the DRAC cards 
...

 *) The new PERC controllers use the mfi driver, which works well as far as
we can tell ... unfortunately, there's no equivalent to megarc (which we
use with 1850 and 2950 systems) so we have been unable to come up with
a way to monitor the health of the RAID arrays from within the OS.

With the HP server, 'camcontrol devlist' shows:

COMPAQ RAID 1  VOLUME OK

Nothing similar with the mfi driver?

Also, are you using SAS or SATA on your 2950?

 *) Make sure you use a recent version of FreeBSD (6.2).  The NIC cards on
these use the bge driver, which was buggy as hell prior to 6.2.

So I've heard, but I have bge on 3 of my HP servers, and never had a problem 
with them under 6.1 ... I'm sooo unlike everywhere else, guess I had to have 
some luck somewhere :)

 The biggest benefit we noticed when moving from the x850 to the x950 systems
 is that the IPMI and DRAC cards perform much better.  It's a shame that Dell
 decided to use ActiveX for the v5 DRAC :(

If its a solid machine, how often do  you have to access the DRAC though?  :)

Can you post your 2950 configuration?

Thanks ...

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thwarting repeated login attempts

2007-01-26 Thread David Banning
I have installed denyhosts from the ports to stop ssh attacks, but
I have discovered a vulnerability, that is new to me. Denyhosts
does not seem to notice FTP login attempts, so the cracker can
attempt to login via FTP, 1000's of times until he finds a
login/password combination.
   
Once he has a login/password combo, he can simple login via ssh,
(provided that user has a shell account).
   
Is there anyway to block multiple FTP login attempts?

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Re: thwarting repeated login attempts

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Kinsey

David Banning wrote:

I have installed denyhosts from the ports to stop ssh attacks, but
I have discovered a vulnerability, that is new to me. Denyhosts
does not seem to notice FTP login attempts, so the cracker can
attempt to login via FTP, 1000's of times until he finds a
login/password combination.



Pardon the stupid question, but I'm assuming it's necessary that you run 
ftpd?  We block ftpd at the firewall to any machines outside the LAN. 
Anyone who needs FTP access uses a client that's capable of using sftp 
instead, and logs in with their SSH credentials.




Once he has a login/password combo, he can simple login via ssh,
(provided that user has a shell account).
   
Is there anyway to block multiple FTP login attempts?




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Re: [Opinions Wanted] Dell PowerEdge 2950 Servers ...

2007-01-26 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Friday, January 26, 2007 09:35:06 -0600 Dan Nelson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In the last episode (Jan 26), chris neill said:

On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 09:41:19AM -0500, David Robillard wrote:
 IMHO, the problem with Dell is not their hardware, but their
 support (or lack of it).

Ditto -- We had a (duh) PERC 3/di go south on a PE2550 and getting
Dell to fix it was like pulling teeth. Once I finally leaned on them
enough to get them to agree to an RMA, I had to wait until the next
day for the part to be courried to my datacenter (which was a slight
gaff, since they don't usually do SR), and another couple of hours
for the guy to show up.


Maybe it depends on you you end up talking to.  We recently had a PERC
4e/Di go bad in one of our PE2800s.  Dell sent us a new motherboard
same day and we replaced it ourselves in 2 hours (took so long only
because we had never done it before).  It did ship with an out-of-date
BIOS, though, so it took a while to flash everything up.


It surely must.  We have hundreds of Dell servers of every size, shape and 
description and have never had any trouble at all with support.  We call, 
them the part that's bad, and they express it to us right then.  We've even 
had parts hand-delivered from Austin by our rep.   I think the key is to 
bypass 1st tier, which you can easily do by asking your rep for the 2nd 
tier #.  We've found the Dell's to be extremely reliable  (we just retired 
a six-year-old server because we were concerned that the drives might start 
failing), and we often sign up for additional support after the initial 
three-year warranty period has expired.


I personally maintain a Dell (PowerEdge 500!) that is about five or six 
years old (don't recall exactly), and the only failure I've had a single 
drive.  (I took the opportunity to upgrade to 5.4 at the time.)


Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/


Re: thwarting repeated login attempts

2007-01-26 Thread David Banning
 I have discovered a vulnerability, that is new to me. Denyhosts
 does not seem to notice FTP login attempts, so the cracker can
 attempt to login via FTP, 1000's of times until he finds a
 login/password combination.
 
 
 Pardon the stupid question, but I'm assuming it's necessary that you run 
 ftpd?  We block ftpd at the firewall to any machines outside the LAN. 
 Anyone who needs FTP access uses a client that's capable of using sftp 
 instead, and logs in with their SSH credentials.

Hmm - interesting - I just -may- be able to disable using ftpd.

But I still pose the same question - what do ftp servers do on this?
Maybe -not- have ssh login? -or- maybe not have ssh login using the
same login/password?
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Re: thwarting repeated login attempts

2007-01-26 Thread Bill Moran
In response to David Banning [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I have installed denyhosts from the ports to stop ssh attacks, but
 I have discovered a vulnerability, that is new to me. Denyhosts
 does not seem to notice FTP login attempts, so the cracker can
 attempt to login via FTP, 1000's of times until he finds a
 login/password combination.

We refuse to run ftp because it's nearly impossible to secure.

 Once he has a login/password combo, he can simple login via ssh,
 (provided that user has a shell account).

Yeah, that's really bad.  You can end up with the same problem if you
run smtp auth without tls.

 Is there anyway to block multiple FTP login attempts?

I'm sure there is, but why bother?  It would actually be _easier_ for most
crooks to simply sniff the passwords right off the wire.  If you really
think it's worthwhile, you can probably tweak denyhosts to properly
regex the ftp logs.

A better solution (assuming you can't ditch ftp, which would be the _best_
choice) would be to set up your ftpd so it has different passwords than
ssh/scp.  There are a number of ftp servers out there capable of this.

-- 
Bill Moran
Collaborative Fusion Inc.
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Re: [Opinions Wanted] Dell PowerEdge 2950 Servers ...

2007-01-26 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[snip]
  *) There's an issue where the systems will hang on reboot about 50% of the
 time.  I tried to track this down but found that if I added any debugging
 code, the problem disappeared :(  It's not a big deal for three reasons 
  --
 we don't reboot servers very often, the hang occurs after the disks
 are synced so it doesn't trigger an fsck, and we have DRAC cards in
 all of them :)
 
 'k, so the hang is as it's coming down, not coming up, right?

Correct.

  *) The new PERC controllers use the mfi driver, which works well as far as
 we can tell ... unfortunately, there's no equivalent to megarc (which we
 use with 1850 and 2950 systems) so we have been unable to come up with
 a way to monitor the health of the RAID arrays from within the OS.
 
 With the HP server, 'camcontrol devlist' shows:
 
 COMPAQ RAID 1  VOLUME OK
 
 Nothing similar with the mfi driver?

Heh ...:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# camcontrol devlist -v
scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0:
 at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0)

Figure that one out.

 Also, are you using SAS or SATA on your 2950?

SAS.

  *) Make sure you use a recent version of FreeBSD (6.2).  The NIC cards on
 these use the bge driver, which was buggy as hell prior to 6.2.
 
 So I've heard, but I have bge on 3 of my HP servers, and never had a problem 
 with them under 6.1 ... I'm sooo unlike everywhere else, guess I had to have 
 some luck somewhere :)

The problem occurs with heavy use of UDP, so it's possible not to notice it
if you're not doing NFS or doing NFS over tcp.  When I tripped over it, I
realized that the NFS was configured wrong :), but I wanted to get it fixed
before we deployed anyway, just in case we started using heavy UDP.  When
the problem occurs, the adapter is unusable until a reboot, so it's pretty
severe.

  The biggest benefit we noticed when moving from the x850 to the x950 systems
  is that the IPMI and DRAC cards perform much better.  It's a shame that Dell
  decided to use ActiveX for the v5 DRAC :(
 
 If its a solid machine, how often do  you have to access the DRAC though?  :)

Just often enough to be annoyed by it.  Keep in mind that we're still deploying
them, which means we're installing kernels and testing things and moving
them around -- a lot of rebooting that is occurring less and less as they
near actual deployment, but is pretty annoying at the time.

 Can you post your 2950 configuration?

Kernel config?

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How to upgrade an exist freebsd to freebsd6.2 ?

2007-01-26 Thread Halid Faith

I have a machine 6.0-RELEASE. How do I upgrade it to Freebsd6.2 without any 
problem?
Could you advise a useful site about that ? 
After upgrade, May a problem like cannot login the system be ?

Thanks
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Re: How to upgrade an exist freebsd to freebsd6.2 ?

2007-01-26 Thread Eric

Halid Faith wrote:

I have a machine 6.0-RELEASE. How do I upgrade it to Freebsd6.2 without any 
problem?
Could you advise a useful site about that ? 
After upgrade, May a problem like cannot login the system be ?


  

people seem to like my instruction set:

http://mikestammer.com/dokuwiki/bsd:updateos


no issues reported yet! =)
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Re: How to upgrade an exist freebsd to freebsd6.2 ?

2007-01-26 Thread Dak Ghatikachalam

On 1/26/07, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Halid Faith wrote:
 I have a machine 6.0-RELEASE. How do I upgrade it to Freebsd6.2 without
any problem?
 Could you advise a useful site about that ?
 After upgrade, May a problem like cannot login the system be ?


people seem to like my instruction set:

http://mikestammer.com/dokuwiki/bsd:updateos


no issues reported yet! =)




I could not access ?
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FreeBSD 6.1 6.2 hanging and/or spontaneous rebooting

2007-01-26 Thread Joe Vender
I need Help with a FBSD spontaneous rebooting and freezing issue.

Here's a quick description of my computer system:

I have a Compaq Presario 5184 desktop about 7 or 8 years old
AMD K6-2 processor @ 380MHz
320Mb RAM, 8Mb dedicated to video via BIOS
Quantum Bigfoot TS-6.4A Hard Drive (~6Gb capacity)
SiS 530 integrated graphics
Zoom 56k DUALMODE external modem connected to the serial port
CTX VL700 monitor (30-70/50-120 refresh rates)

I'm new to FreeBSD, but I've some experience with Linux, so FreeBSD isn't 
totally unfamiliar to me.

I zero-filled my HDD on which I'd been running Slackware 11.0 without issue 
and started from scratch with a clean install of FreeBSD 6.1-release. FreeBSD 
6.1 was then the only OS on the system, no multi-boot environment. Everything 
worked fine under FBSD until I dial up the internet and start browsing, 
emailing or whatever. Then, when the computer is busy transferring packets, 
it suddenly reboots without warning. Sometimes, Konqueror will freeze, the 
mouse pointer will freeze for a few seconds before the reboot. It doesn't 
take very long on the internet before the lockup/reboot happens, only 
minutes. It happens over and over and over. I can't stay on the internet long 
enough to even use it.

Now, I've been using Slackware Linux without issue for a long time, same with 
Ubuntu  Kubuntu  Windows prior to that. This isn't a hardware failure, 
because it doesn't occur with these other OSs at all. Linux was what I was 
using before I wiped the drive and installed FreeBSD. I've tested the RAM and 
HDD and they are OK. I repeat, there are no problems like this with the other 
OS's, only when FreeBSD is put on the system. I've only tried FBSD 
6.1-release  FBSD 6.2-release, nothing prior to that.

Since I wasn't even able to use the internet because of the freeze/reboot, I 
reinstalled Slackware and, as always, it is running without a hitch. But, I 
want to use FreeBSD, so I got a copy of FreeBSD 6.2 CDs, thinking maybe it 
was a fixed in the new release. FreeBSD 6.2 gives me the same behavior. After 
a few minutes of browsing, the system just froze up and required a hard 
restart.

I REALLY like FreeBSD, the features and ease of use. If I could get it working 
on this computer as smoothly as Slackware does, I'd use it exclusively. This 
is the only computer I have, so in order to even send this message, I had to 
put Slackware back on the computer. That's what I'm using now.

If anyone can help me figure out what the problem is here, I'd really 
appreciate it.

Remember, the spontaneous reboots and hangs only happen when I dial up the 
internet and start browsing or sending email or such, basically start 
sending/receiving packets. It doesn't happen when no packets are moving over 
the modem, only when its busy. It isn't the modem failing either, obviously, 
since the modem works flawlessly under Linux and windows.

Keep in mind that this is my only computer. I will have to wipe the HDD and 
reinstall FBSD in order to try any suggestions, so please give as much info 
as possible, since when I'm back to FBSD, I may not be able to get back on 
the net for further communication if I can't fix the problem first. At least, 
not until I go through the process of reinstalling Slackware.

I'm hoping that someone has run into this problem before and knows a way to 
fix it.

One more thing that may or may not be important. I remember seeing a message 
at boot up about IRQ 3 not in the list of probed ports or something to that 
effect. But, KPPP recognized my external modem without a problem. Its 
on /dev/ttyS0 in KPPP. My computer came with an internal winmodem piece of 
@#!$, but I removed that when I plugged in the Zoom external. The internal 
modem is no longer present. The external is plugged in to the serial port. 
Could this be an IRQ conflict or something like that? I'm assuming that the 
message was about the absent internal modem. Interrupts in KInfoCenter 
reports that serial is using interrupt 4. Please help. I don't mind going 
through the reinstall if I can get FreeBSD working.

One last question. How do I get FBSD to completely power off my computer when 
I shut down, both from KDE and from console? When I shutdown, it just gets to 
the system halted, press any key to reboot prompt and doesn't completely 
power off. In slackware, all I have to do is uncomment the modprobe apm 
line in rc.modules.

Sorry for such a long email, but I wanted to be as thourough as possible with 
the little I have to go on.

Joe
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Re: How to upgrade an exist freebsd to freebsd6.2 ?

2007-01-26 Thread Eric

Dak Ghatikachalam wrote:



On 1/26/07, *Eric* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Halid Faith wrote:
 I have a machine 6.0-RELEASE. How do I upgrade it to Freebsd6.2
without any problem?
 Could you advise a useful site about that ?
 After upgrade, May a problem like cannot login the system be ?


people seem to like my instruction set:

http://mikestammer.com/dokuwiki/bsd:updateos


no issues reported yet! =)



I could not access ?


  Permission Denied

Sorry, you don't have enough rights to continue. Perhaps you forgot to 
login?



 




sorry about that, give it a whirl now
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Re: thwarting repeated login attempts

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Kinsey

David Banning wrote:

I have discovered a vulnerability, that is new to me. Denyhosts
does not seem to notice FTP login attempts, so the cracker can
attempt to login via FTP, 1000's of times until he finds a
login/password combination.

Pardon the stupid question, but I'm assuming it's necessary that you run 
ftpd?  We block ftpd at the firewall to any machines outside the LAN. 
Anyone who needs FTP access uses a client that's capable of using sftp 
instead, and logs in with their SSH credentials.


Hmm - interesting - I just -may- be able to disable using ftpd.

But I still pose the same question - what do ftp servers do on this?
Maybe -not- have ssh login? -or- maybe not have ssh login using the
same login/password?


I'm also interested; my version of the question is probably more like,
is anyone in their right mind running ftpd over the WAN for anything 
but an anonymous user? [1]


Note that I'm _not_ trying to be critical.  However, in the current 
state of things [2], I don't see anything involving unencrypted 
authentication as valid for WAN(Internet) operations.



Kevin Kinsey

[1] Granted, other strategies might work; firewalling and/or tcpwrappers 
might work.


[2] An interesting read - The Internet Sucks - 
http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/life/article.jsp?content=20061030_135406_135406

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Re: How to upgrade an exist freebsd to freebsd6.2 ?

2007-01-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 10:26:51PM +0200, Halid Faith wrote:

 
 I have a machine 6.0-RELEASE. How do I upgrade it to Freebsd6.2 without 
 any problem?
 Could you advise a useful site about that ? 
 After upgrade, May a problem like cannot login the system be ?

The first thing to do is read the handbook section on upgrading.
Once you have absorbed that as well as possible, you can then
ask more specific and useful questions that apply to your situation.
The general how to that you ask has already been written up quite
well and getting other general responses will just confuse you
rather than help.

So, study some first and then come back to the list.

The handbook is online at the FreeBSD web site as you probably
already know.

jerry

 
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Re: FreeBSD 6.1 6.2 hanging and/or spontaneous rebooting

2007-01-26 Thread Derek Ragona
Sounds like an IRQ conflict as your serial port is not on IRQ 3.  I would 
look into the BIOS settings, and set the port explicitly for IRQ 3, and not 
automatic if this is possible.


-Derek

At 02:15 PM 1/26/2007, Joe Vender wrote:

I need Help with a FBSD spontaneous rebooting and freezing issue.

Here's a quick description of my computer system:

I have a Compaq Presario 5184 desktop about 7 or 8 years old
AMD K6-2 processor @ 380MHz
320Mb RAM, 8Mb dedicated to video via BIOS
Quantum Bigfoot TS-6.4A Hard Drive (~6Gb capacity)
SiS 530 integrated graphics
Zoom 56k DUALMODE external modem connected to the serial port
CTX VL700 monitor (30-70/50-120 refresh rates)

I'm new to FreeBSD, but I've some experience with Linux, so FreeBSD isn't
totally unfamiliar to me.

I zero-filled my HDD on which I'd been running Slackware 11.0 without issue
and started from scratch with a clean install of FreeBSD 6.1-release. FreeBSD
6.1 was then the only OS on the system, no multi-boot environment. Everything
worked fine under FBSD until I dial up the internet and start browsing,
emailing or whatever. Then, when the computer is busy transferring packets,
it suddenly reboots without warning. Sometimes, Konqueror will freeze, the
mouse pointer will freeze for a few seconds before the reboot. It doesn't
take very long on the internet before the lockup/reboot happens, only
minutes. It happens over and over and over. I can't stay on the internet long
enough to even use it.

Now, I've been using Slackware Linux without issue for a long time, same with
Ubuntu  Kubuntu  Windows prior to that. This isn't a hardware failure,
because it doesn't occur with these other OSs at all. Linux was what I was
using before I wiped the drive and installed FreeBSD. I've tested the RAM and
HDD and they are OK. I repeat, there are no problems like this with the other
OS's, only when FreeBSD is put on the system. I've only tried FBSD
6.1-release  FBSD 6.2-release, nothing prior to that.

Since I wasn't even able to use the internet because of the freeze/reboot, I
reinstalled Slackware and, as always, it is running without a hitch. But, I
want to use FreeBSD, so I got a copy of FreeBSD 6.2 CDs, thinking maybe it
was a fixed in the new release. FreeBSD 6.2 gives me the same behavior. After
a few minutes of browsing, the system just froze up and required a hard
restart.

I REALLY like FreeBSD, the features and ease of use. If I could get it 
working

on this computer as smoothly as Slackware does, I'd use it exclusively. This
is the only computer I have, so in order to even send this message, I had to
put Slackware back on the computer. That's what I'm using now.

If anyone can help me figure out what the problem is here, I'd really
appreciate it.

Remember, the spontaneous reboots and hangs only happen when I dial up the
internet and start browsing or sending email or such, basically start
sending/receiving packets. It doesn't happen when no packets are moving over
the modem, only when its busy. It isn't the modem failing either, obviously,
since the modem works flawlessly under Linux and windows.

Keep in mind that this is my only computer. I will have to wipe the HDD and
reinstall FBSD in order to try any suggestions, so please give as much info
as possible, since when I'm back to FBSD, I may not be able to get back on
the net for further communication if I can't fix the problem first. At least,
not until I go through the process of reinstalling Slackware.

I'm hoping that someone has run into this problem before and knows a way to
fix it.

One more thing that may or may not be important. I remember seeing a message
at boot up about IRQ 3 not in the list of probed ports or something to that
effect. But, KPPP recognized my external modem without a problem. Its
on /dev/ttyS0 in KPPP. My computer came with an internal winmodem piece of
@#!$, but I removed that when I plugged in the Zoom external. The internal
modem is no longer present. The external is plugged in to the serial port.
Could this be an IRQ conflict or something like that? I'm assuming that the
message was about the absent internal modem. Interrupts in KInfoCenter
reports that serial is using interrupt 4. Please help. I don't mind going
through the reinstall if I can get FreeBSD working.

One last question. How do I get FBSD to completely power off my computer when
I shut down, both from KDE and from console? When I shutdown, it just gets to
the system halted, press any key to reboot prompt and doesn't completely
power off. In slackware, all I have to do is uncomment the modprobe apm
line in rc.modules.

Sorry for such a long email, but I wanted to be as thourough as possible with
the little I have to go on.

Joe
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Sorta OT - Backup solutions Mac to FreeBSD

2007-01-26 Thread Gable Barber

Hello all,
I have been poking around the 'Net a bit looking for an easy to use
backup solution for our Mac's (1 mini, 1 powerbook, more in the
future).

Basically there is a server, offsite (FBSD 6.2) with 2 RAID 5 arrays.
I would like to be able to set the 2 (for now) clients to
automatically, incrementally backup certain directories, nightly.
Something encrypted would be nice aswell.

This one looks interesting to me:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/areca/

If anyone has used an open source solution for this , I would
genuinely appreciate hearing about it.

Thanks in advance -

Gable Barber
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RE: Postgresql 8.1: plperl code works with LATIN1, fails with UTF8

2007-01-26 Thread Philippe Lang
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 Hi,
 
 I've got plperl code that works just fine when the database is
 encoded using LATIN1, but fails as soon as I switch to UTF8. 
 
 I've been testing PG 8.1.4 under Linux, and PG 8.1.6 under FreeBSD,
 both behave exactly the save.

... Oups, sorry, wrong mailing-list!

Cheers,

Philippe

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Re: Remote Desktop Connection

2007-01-26 Thread FreeBSD WickerBill

On 1/24/07, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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FreeBSD WickerBill wrote:
 On 1/24/07, Grzegorz Pluta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for all the replies guys!
 It was really helpful
 Cheers,
 Greg


 Kevin Kinsey wrote:
  Grzegorz Pluta wrote:
  Hi.
  Id like to asj you guys if you used any remote desktops with
freebsd?
  Which
  client/server would you recommend, and why? Witch wich desktop env
  have you
  been using it?
 
  I use Xorg  XFCE4 on my FreeBSD desktop(s).  For remote desktop
  connections:
 
  FreeBSD - FreeBSD: ssh with X11 forwarding (-X or -Y options, see
  manpage).
 
  FreeBSD - Windows: rdesktop (/usr/ports/net/rdesktop).  Works
  beautifully for work.  Can't recall which, but some games don't seem
to
  like it.
 
  Windows - FreeBSD:  freeXer and PuTTY with X11 forwarding enabled.
 Kind
  of interesting to have my FreeBSD desktop apps on my wife's lappy at
 the
  breakfast table ;-).  With this setup, Windows actually is the
window
  manager --- kinda disconcerting at first glance :-D
 
  Kevin Kinsey

 Overall, as many have suggest on the list there are a number of caveats
 to using different means of connecting.

 Here's a short rundown with all of my comments:

 rdesktop and krdc (KDE rdesktop) work for connecting to Windows NT 5.0+
 servers. Don't have a Windows server that meets that spec? Probably
 won't need rdesktop/krdc then.. Don't install krdc unless you also want
 to install KDE.

 X11 forwarding through ssh is great when you're connections between you
 and the remote machine are relatively fast (fast up on the server, fast
 down on the client). Compression with ssh (-C flag--not available on
all
 ssh or ssh2 implementations) is a good idea when using this to connect
 remotely because there's a lot of data that gets piped through an X11
 connection.

 VNC is better for keeping remote sessions active after disconnecting
 from the machine. There are many VNC servers software titles, but you
 will either probably look into tightvnc (creates a new X session per
 instance), or x11vnc (connects to an existing X session on your
 machine). Quality, speed and latency are an issue here as VNC is sort
of
 bad at caching tiles on the desktop. Using a lightweight wm or desktop
 is a wise idea though without a desktop picture and sticking to X11
only
 widgets (xclock, xterm, etc) is a good idea as the redraw is better
than
 gtk or qt apps or other programs (firefox, thunderbird). Try to wrap
the
 connection using portforwarding via SSH if you're logged in from a
large
 LAN or over a WAN because everything sent with tightvnc is cleartext,
so
 passwords, credit card numbers, etc can be sniffed by a knowledgeable
 individual.

 I'm still amazed that nomachinex hasn't been ported to FreeBSD, but
it's
 a complete binary release of a 'hacked' X11 system, so the devs at the
 nomachine group probably haven't gotten around to porting it yet.

 Cheers,
 - -Garrett
 -


 It's in the ports.

 portless nxserver
 This is a port of NoMachine's NX server, which is a way to
 use X connections over slow links without noticeable lag.

 WWW: http://www.nomachine.com

 I use it daily from a windows client to home computer running PC-BSD
(KDE)
 It runs much faster than I could ever get VNC to run. I use rdesktop
going
 from FreeBSD to Windows and it works fine too.

WickerBill,
Ah, excellent. Didn't know that.. ports_glob doesn't always turn
up the
right answers; a tool should be made in conjunction with portell to
search package descriptions, similar to Gentoo's esearch I think..

Greg,
Give nxserver a shot. It's by far a lot better than VNC and it
ties
directly into working X sessions IIRC and is equivalent in speed to
remote desktop on Windows NT (in fact possibly faster from what I've
heard on slower connections). Plus it's secure (built in ssh tie-ins).
They (the devs) have a few test servers up so you can give it a shot and
see how it works.
Cheers,
- -Garrett




I use psearch, found in /urs/ports/sysutils/psearch  An utility for
searching the FreeBSD Ports Collection

It returns one liners and then I use portless to read those I want more info
on...I'll have to try portell
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Re: thwarting repeated login attempts

2007-01-26 Thread Peter Matulis
Le Vendredi 26 Janvier 2007 15:50, Kevin Kinsey a écrit :
 David Banning wrote:
  I have discovered a vulnerability, that is new to me. Denyhosts
  does not seem to notice FTP login attempts, so the cracker can
  attempt to login via FTP, 1000's of times until he finds a
  login/password combination.
 
  Pardon the stupid question, but I'm assuming it's necessary that
  you run ftpd?  We block ftpd at the firewall to any machines
  outside the LAN. Anyone who needs FTP access uses a client that's
  capable of using sftp instead, and logs in with their SSH
  credentials.
 
  Hmm - interesting - I just -may- be able to disable using ftpd.
 
  But I still pose the same question - what do ftp servers do on
  this? Maybe -not- have ssh login? -or- maybe not have ssh login
  using the same login/password?

 I'm also interested; my version of the question is probably more
 like, is anyone in their right mind running ftpd over the WAN for
 anything but an anonymous user? [1]

You can run OpenBSD's pf in combination with authpf.  This mechanism 
will alter firewall rules based on successful SSH logins.
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Re: Sorta OT - Backup solutions Mac to FreeBSD

2007-01-26 Thread Philip Hallstrom

Hello all,
I have been poking around the 'Net a bit looking for an easy to use
backup solution for our Mac's (1 mini, 1 powerbook, more in the
future).

Basically there is a server, offsite (FBSD 6.2) with 2 RAID 5 arrays.
I would like to be able to set the 2 (for now) clients to
automatically, incrementally backup certain directories, nightly.
Something encrypted would be nice aswell.

This one looks interesting to me:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/areca/

If anyone has used an open source solution for this , I would
genuinely appreciate hearing about it.


I don't, but you could use rsync over ssh if you just want a mirrored 
copy... and if you set up rsync to archive changed files you can keep a 
history as well.  I do that for about 20 servers now and it works great. 
No reason a mac wouldn't work.


Let me know if you're interested in the scripts...
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Re: Sorta OT - Backup solutions Mac to FreeBSD

2007-01-26 Thread Gable Barber

On 1/26/07, Doug Hardie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





RsyncX for Mac will sync to a FreeBSD filesystem.


Thank you.

I will try these out.

Gable
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run a command on startup

2007-01-26 Thread Jonathan Horne
i have a box that my nic's eeprom got zapped last night.  WOL is a must for 
me, and as a last ditch, i finally have the card talking again if i set a mac 
address manually.  upon shutdown, apparently it remember the address i set, 
and answers to a WOL packet.  also, it appears to immediately forget the mac 
that was set when the computer starts, because when i get back to the login, 
the ifconfig shows the mac to be 00:00:00:00:00:00 again, and i have 
to 'ifconfig fxp0 ether [mad address]' after each boot.

where can i stick that command so its run during boot up, maybe preferable 
before the network configuration is loaded?

strangely enough, even when the mac address is 00's, i can still ping around 
my lan (i didnt think this was possible without a mac address)

thanks,
jonathan

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Re: run a command on startup

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Downey

On 1/26/07, Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

i have a box that my nic's eeprom got zapped last night.  WOL is a must for
me, and as a last ditch, i finally have the card talking again if i set a mac
address manually.  upon shutdown, apparently it remember the address i set,
and answers to a WOL packet.  also, it appears to immediately forget the mac
that was set when the computer starts, because when i get back to the login,
the ifconfig shows the mac to be 00:00:00:00:00:00 again, and i have
to 'ifconfig fxp0 ether [mad address]' after each boot.

where can i stick that command so its run during boot up, maybe preferable
before the network configuration is loaded?

strangely enough, even when the mac address is 00's, i can still ping around
my lan (i didnt think this was possible without a mac address)

thanks,
jonathan



you can put ether [mac address] in fxp0's ifconfig line in /etc/rc.conf
ifconfig_fxp0=ether [mac address]
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Re: [OT] Does ~ always point to $HOME?

2007-01-26 Thread youshi10

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Joerg Pernfuss wrote:


On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:21:14 +0100
Karol Kwiatkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


While that's true for most shells, bash, csh, tcsh, etc., it
doesn't work on true Bourne /bin/sh shells (e.g. SCO OpenServer
5.0.6a and earlier and probably others with Bell Labs ancestors).


Not sure what I'm missing, is FreeBSD's /bin/sh shell not true
Bourne Shell? Was it extended in some way from traditional one?


FreeBSD /bin/sh is actually an ash, which roughly translates into
a POSIX shell with a few additions that do not break compatibility.
At least that is how I understood it.

Joerg
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Unfortunately the target system (now) for the documentation is suse Linux, and 
I don't have any control over what the company chooses for its Unix OS in the 
future. So to reduce rewriting the documentation in the future I thought it'd 
be better to seek out the common denominator in Unix shells.

Besides, if people are smart enough (and most people are here), they can 
translate $HOME to ~ :).

-Garrett

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Re: thwarting repeated login attempts

2007-01-26 Thread David Banning
  I have installed denyhosts from the ports to stop ssh attacks, but
  I have discovered a vulnerability, that is new to me. Denyhosts
  does not seem to notice FTP login attempts, so the cracker can
  attempt to login via FTP, 1000's of times until he finds a
  login/password combination.
 
 We refuse to run ftp because it's nearly impossible to secure.

so that's what I have decided - and went with sftp exclusively.
thanks -
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Re: [OT] Does ~ always point to $HOME?

2007-01-26 Thread James Long
 Message: 24
 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:22:44 -0800
 From: Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] Does ~ always point to $HOME?
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bill Campbell
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 My point isn't whether the FreeBSD /bin/sh expands it, but that not all
 systems are FreeBSD, and that one can have problems on other *NIX systems.
 
 Knowing where there may be differences, and avoiding the assumptions that a
 program behaves the same on all systems, can help writing code that's
 portable without surprises.

This begs the rookie question:

What is the portable way to determine an aribtrary user's home directory
then, if ~username is not portable across shells?

Does one just have to grep and awk /etc/passwd?  Is the format of
/etc/passwd portable, such that one standard grep/awk sequence will 
portably return the home directory for user username?

Regards,

Jim


P.S.  Does this count as the portable way to do this?  :)

...
USERNAME_HOME=`bash -c echo ~username`
cd $USERNAME_HOME
...

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Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD

2007-01-26 Thread Freminlins

Kris,

On 26/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Set up and mount numerous devfs file systems ;)



That is exactly what I am trying to avoid. One of the servers has 1400 sites
on it, and I really don't want 1400 devfs mounts. If the only way to do this
now is by having so many devfs mounts I am better off not upgrading, and it
is very arugable that FreeBSD has lost some functionality by forcing such a
scheme.

Really it's not hard, you just specify the devices you want with a

simple devfs(8) ruleset.



It's not how hard it is, it's how untidy it is.

Kris


Frem.
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Re: [OT] Does ~ always point to $HOME?

2007-01-26 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007, James Long wrote:
 Message: 24
 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:22:44 -0800
 From: Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] Does ~ always point to $HOME?
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bill Campbell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 My point isn't whether the FreeBSD /bin/sh expands it, but that not all
 systems are FreeBSD, and that one can have problems on other *NIX systems.
 
 Knowing where there may be differences, and avoiding the assumptions that a
 program behaves the same on all systems, can help writing code that's
 portable without surprises.

This begs the rookie question:

What is the portable way to determine an aribtrary user's home directory
then, if ~username is not portable across shells?

Does one just have to grep and awk /etc/passwd?  Is the format of
/etc/passwd portable, such that one standard grep/awk sequence will 
portably return the home directory for user username?

Probably the most portable way to do this would be to use awk.  A
simple script, homedir, might look like this:

#!/bin/sh
# getting the backwhacks correct is sometimes ``interesting''
homedir=`awk -F: /^$1:/{print \\$6} /etc/passwd`

[ -z $homedir ]  {
echo 'empty home for ' $1 21
exit 1
}
echo $homedir
exit 0

Bill
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Re: FreeBSD 6.1 6.2 hanging and/or spontaneous rebooting

2007-01-26 Thread Joe Vender
On Friday 26 January 2007 15:04, Derek Ragona wrote:
 Sounds like an IRQ conflict as your serial port is not on IRQ 3.  I would
 look into the BIOS settings, and set the port explicitly for IRQ 3, and not
 automatic if this is possible.


The configurable settings in my BIOS setup don't include the ability to set 
the serial port IRQ.

How is FreeBSD able to communicate with the modem if the irq is not set 
correctly?

Joe

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Re: FreeBSD 6.1 6.2 hanging and/or spontaneous rebooting

2007-01-26 Thread Tore Lund
Joe Vender wrote:
 One last question. How do I get FBSD to completely power off my computer when 
 I shut down, both from KDE and from console? When I shutdown, it just gets to 
 the system halted, press any key to reboot prompt and doesn't completely 
 power off. In slackware, all I have to do is uncomment the modprobe apm 
 line in rc.modules.

You issue the command shutdown -p now.  This should work with any BIOS
that has apm or acpi, as far as I know.

As Derek says, you have an IRQ conflict that needs to be resolved.
Afraid I don't remember much about that.  When I first installed FreeBSD
(seven years ago), I had to settle several such conflicts, but I seem to
recall that it was fairly easy.
-- 
Tore

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Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD

2007-01-26 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:05:37PM +, Freminlins wrote:
 Kris,
 
 On 26/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Set up and mount numerous devfs file systems ;)
 
 
 That is exactly what I am trying to avoid. One of the servers has 1400 sites
 on it, and I really don't want 1400 devfs mounts. If the only way to do this
 now is by having so many devfs mounts I am better off not upgrading, and it
 is very arugable that FreeBSD has lost some functionality by forcing such a
 scheme.
 
 Really it's not hard, you just specify the devices you want with a
 simple devfs(8) ruleset.
 
 
 It's not how hard it is, it's how untidy it is.

Sorry, it's the only way.

Kris
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Re: FreeBSD 6.1 6.2 hanging and/or spontaneous rebooting

2007-01-26 Thread Joe Vender
On Friday 26 January 2007 17:41, Tore Lund wrote:

 You issue the command shutdown -p now.  This should work with any BIOS
 that has apm or acpi, as far as I know.

I've tried that, but it didn't power off, just got to the halted step. What 
about issuing the Shutdown computer from KDE logout? Shouldn't it power off 
the computer?
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Re: Best Blog Ap in the Ports?

2007-01-26 Thread Tuareg

On 1/26/07, eoghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 26 Jan 2007, at 17:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What is the best blog ap in the ports tree?  I was thinking of
 starting a
 blog on my server for my Chemistry Students.



You can check jaws, but it's not in the ports tree.

http://www.jaws-project.com/
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Re: FreeBSD 6.1 6.2 hanging and/or spontaneous rebooting

2007-01-26 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Jan 26, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Joe Vender wrote:

On Friday 26 January 2007 17:41, Tore Lund wrote:


You issue the command shutdown -p now.  This should work with  
any BIOS

that has apm or acpi, as far as I know.


I've tried that, but it didn't power off, just got to the halted  
step. What
about issuing the Shutdown computer from KDE logout? Shouldn't it  
power off

the computer?


The GUI commands within KDE are going to invoke the command-line  
shutdown command with the appropriate arguments.  What may be going  
on is that your old hardware only supports the older form of power  
management/shutdown mechanism, called APM, rather than the newer  
APCI.  You might find that reading man 4 apm and man acpi will  
give you some hints on debugging the issue.  It might help to try  
updating your machines BIOS, or to recompile a kernel with ACPI  
disabled but the older APM enabled, and see whether that gets you  
somewhere.


The fact that you can shutdown within Linux suggests that your  
hardware does have the capability, so it's just a matter of figuring  
out what's different.  Note that you might find that trying to run  
FreeBSD 4.11 to be informative, as the defaults for that older  
version might correspond with your hardware better, although, 4.11 is  
at the end of it's supported lifespan...


--
-Chuck

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Re: FreeBSD 6.1 6.2 hanging and/or spontaneous rebooting

2007-01-26 Thread Joe Vender
On Friday 26 January 2007 18:18, Chuck Swiger wrote:

 The GUI commands within KDE are going to invoke the command-line
 shutdown command with the appropriate arguments.  What may be going
 on is that your old hardware only supports the older form of power
 management/shutdown mechanism, called APM, rather than the newer
 APCI.  You might find that reading man 4 apm and man acpi will
 give you some hints on debugging the issue.  It might help to try
 updating your machines BIOS, or to recompile a kernel with ACPI
 disabled but the older APM enabled, and see whether that gets you
 somewhere.


There is no update to my machine BIOS as far as I know. What I have now is the 
last software that was released for it, and that was years ago. I have 
actually wondered if I should disable ACPI and enable APM in a new kernel 
build. I'll give it a try if I can get the real issue, which is the 
spontaneous reboots freezes, solved.

 The fact that you can shutdown within Linux suggests that your
 hardware does have the capability, so it's just a matter of figuring
 out what's different.  Note that you might find that trying to run
 FreeBSD 4.11 to be informative, as the defaults for that older
 version might correspond with your hardware better, although, 4.11 is
 at the end of it's supported lifespan...

I've been seriously thinking about getting a copy of the legacy FBSD 5.5 
that's on the website. Maybe there isn't a difference between it and the 6.2 
as far as this powerdown issue is concerned.
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Re: FreeBSD 6.1 6.2 hanging and/or spontaneous rebooting

2007-01-26 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Jan 26, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Joe Vender wrote:

The fact that you can shutdown within Linux suggests that your
hardware does have the capability, so it's just a matter of figuring
out what's different.  Note that you might find that trying to run
FreeBSD 4.11 to be informative, as the defaults for that older
version might correspond with your hardware better, although, 4.11 is
at the end of it's supported lifespan...


I've been seriously thinking about getting a copy of the legacy  
FBSD 5.5
that's on the website. Maybe there isn't a difference between it  
and the 6.2

as far as this powerdown issue is concerned.


You're likely to have better luck with 4.11 than 5.2; if you want to  
try a 5.x release, go with 5.5, as the early 5.x releases were only  
so-so in terms of stability before 5.3...


--
-Chuck

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Can not compile kernel.

2007-01-26 Thread Grant Wagner
Hi, although have used various forms of unix for quite a while, I still 
consider myself a rather novice user. I have reciently reconfigured my machine 
to dual boot FreeBSD 6.2 and Windows (damn gaming addiction).

I have installed a basic system (only base, games, man and src distros) and 
modified my /etc/make.conf to look like the following...

 CPUTYPE=athlon64
 CFLAGS= -O3 -pipe -funroll-loops -ffast-math
 COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe -funroll-loops -ffast-math

I have build from ports Open Office (so much easier with the diablo java 
system), X, nvidia graphics drivers, Enlightenment, and after a few days 
Gnome2. I even have all three of my screens setup properly.

I am currently having issues attempting to build a kernel. Running the command 
make clean cleandepend depend buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC in /usr/src as 
root will eventually stop with the following output. Not even being able to 
build the generic makes me nervice about building a custom one.

Also, when I attempt to run a linux binary game (such as UT 2004 Demo or Quake 
4 Comercial, both installed from ports) I have quite a few graphics glitches. 
Mostly missing or unshaded(black) surfaces and low frame rates on my Nvidia 
6600 PCI-x 256MB card. Any ideas about either issue will be greatly welcomed.


Thanks,
Grant
=== aic (all)
cc -O3 -pipe -funroll-loops -ffast-math -march=athlon-mp -fno-strict-aliasing 
-Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I-   -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS 
-include /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq 
-I@/../include -finline-limit=8000 -fno-common -g 
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC -mno-align-long-strings 
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 
-ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -fformat-extensions 
-std=c99 -c /usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c: In function `aic_reset':
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1345: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1347: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1306: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1307: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1310: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1313: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1314: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1317: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1318: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1321: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1322: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1325: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1326: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1329: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: inlining failed in call to 'bus_space_write_1': 
--param inline-unit-growth limit reached
/usr/src/sys/modules/aic/../../dev/aic/aic.c:1332: warning: called from here
./machine/bus.h:515: warning: 

Re: [freebsd-questions] Sorta OT - Backup solutions Mac to FreeBSD

2007-01-26 Thread Howard Jones

Gable Barber wrote:

Hello all,
I have been poking around the 'Net a bit looking for an easy to use
backup solution for our Mac's (1 mini, 1 powerbook, more in the
future).

Basically there is a server, offsite (FBSD 6.2) with 2 RAID 5 arrays.
I would like to be able to set the 2 (for now) clients to
automatically, incrementally backup certain directories, nightly.
Something encrypted would be nice aswell.

You might like to try duplicity or rdiff-backup. Both are python-based 
incremental backup solutions, that can work over encrypted connections. 
duplicity can also encrypt the backed-up data for untrusted central 
sites, while rdiff-backup has the advantage that the backup is a normal 
mirror of the backed-up machine (plus reverse increments), so you can 
pick though it. duplicity is initiated from the client over 
FTP/SCP/DAV/S3, while rdiff-backup is initiated by the server normally 
using SSH.


I've been using rdiff-backup on a few dozen FreeBSD servers for a year 
or so now.  I've not tried them on my macs yet but I don't see a reason 
why it *wouldn't* work - python tends to be pretty portable. I'll try it 
on the macs this weekend, in fact.


Howie
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Re: firefox performance on Freebsd

2007-01-26 Thread Dak Ghatikachalam

Dak Ghatikachalam wrote:
 Hi All


 I am noticing singnificant performance degradation  in firefox in
 Freebsd ,
 I would say right from the beginning, I have other partition where I
 run XP.


 for comparison purpose

 I notice the same page  when I load on Freebsd partition it is slow on
 Windows XP it loads real quick.

 Is this link

 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=53650

 Good place to start the tuning of firefox.

 Is there something more than this I could do to speed up the
 performace of
 firefox in Freebsd ?

 Thanks
 Dak
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On 1/17/07, nicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Have you disabled the IPv6?

in about:config set 'network.dns.disableIPv6' to true.

Greetz.



I have  the output of ifconfig -a Does it say that I am running  ipv4 or
ipv6

and my current  network.dns.disableIPv6 is false

$ ifconfig -a
fwe0: flags=108802BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,NEEDSGIANT mtu 1500
   options=8VLAN_MTU
   ether 06:e4:0a:19:50:37
   ch 1 dma -1
rl0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
   options=8VLAN_MTU
   inet6 fe80::20a:e4ff:fed7:bb00%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
   inet 192.168.1.105 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
   ether 00:0a:e4:d7:bb:00
   media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
   status: active
lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384
   inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
   inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3
   inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00
tun0: flags=8051UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1412
   inet6 fe80::20a:e4ff:fed7:bb00%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
   inet 10.40.1.100 -- 10.40.1.100 netmask 0x
   Opened by PID 784
$
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Re: Can not compile kernel.

2007-01-26 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:40:13PM -0800, Grant Wagner wrote:
 Hi, although have used various forms of unix for quite a while, I still 
 consider myself a rather novice user. I have reciently reconfigured my 
 machine to dual boot FreeBSD 6.2 and Windows (damn gaming addiction).
 
 I have installed a basic system (only base, games, man and src distros) and 
 modified my /etc/make.conf to look like the following...
 

  CFLAGS= -O3 -pipe -funroll-loops -ffast-math
  COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe -funroll-loops -ffast-math

Step 0) Note the warning about changing these settings in
/usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf and in the make.conf manpage.

Step 1) Revert those silly optimizations back to the default

Step 2) Rebuild everything to undo the damage

Kris


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Re: run a command on startup

2007-01-26 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Friday 26 January 2007 16:45, Kevin Downey wrote:
 On 1/26/07, Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i have a box that my nic's eeprom got zapped last night.  WOL is a must
  for me, and as a last ditch, i finally have the card talking again if i
  set a mac address manually.  upon shutdown, apparently it remember the
  address i set, and answers to a WOL packet.  also, it appears to
  immediately forget the mac that was set when the computer starts, because
  when i get back to the login, the ifconfig shows the mac to be
  00:00:00:00:00:00 again, and i have to 'ifconfig fxp0 ether [mad
  address]' after each boot.
 
  where can i stick that command so its run during boot up, maybe
  preferable before the network configuration is loaded?
 
  strangely enough, even when the mac address is 00's, i can still ping
  around my lan (i didnt think this was possible without a mac address)
 
  thanks,
  jonathan

 you can put ether [mac address] in fxp0's ifconfig line in /etc/rc.conf
 ifconfig_fxp0=ether [mac address]

well, unfortunately, that didnt work.

# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Mon Jan 22 15:32:44 2007
# Created: Mon Jan 22 15:32:44 2007
# Enable network daemons for user convenience.
# Please make all changes to this file, not to /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
# This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
defaultrouter=192.168.125.1
hostname=pollux.dfwlp.com
ifconfig_fxp0=ether 00:09:6b:b6:3e:d9
ifconfig_fxp0=inet 192.168.125.71  netmask 255.255.255.128
inetd_enable=YES
sshd_enable=YES
usbd_enable=YES
pollux# ifconfig fxp0
fxp0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
options=8VLAN_MTU
inet 192.168.125.71 netmask 0xff80 broadcast 192.168.125.127
ether 00:00:00:00:00:00
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active

is there another way to skin this cat?

thanks,
jonathan
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Re: How to upgrade an exist freebsd to freebsd6.2 ?

2007-01-26 Thread Dak Ghatikachalam

On 1/26/07, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dak Ghatikachalam wrote:


 On 1/26/07, *Eric* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Halid Faith wrote:
  I have a machine 6.0-RELEASE. How do I upgrade it to Freebsd6.2
 without any problem?
  Could you advise a useful site about that ?
  After upgrade, May a problem like cannot login the system be ?
 
 
 people seem to like my instruction set:

 http://mikestammer.com/dokuwiki/bsd:updateos


 no issues reported yet! =)



 I could not access ?


   Permission Denied

 Sorry, you don't have enough rights to continue. Perhaps you forgot to
 login?





sorry about that, give it a whirl now



Hi

I browsed the page understood most part  , I happened  to read theupgrade
chapter  in release notes, but I remember someone on this list also
mentioned to read from handbook, could not find that

BTW: Does this upgrade procedure apply and can it be used   to go from 6.1to
6.2 freeBSD  too ?

Thanks
DAk
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Disk Space Requirements

2007-01-26 Thread Jay Chandler

I've got a VPS running FreeBSD 6.1 p5.

I'd like to upgrade it to 6.2 if possible, or at least 6.1 p11.

I've got four gigs of disk allocated to the box.  Is this enough space 
to rebuild the OS from source within?


Regards,

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Network Administrator, Chapman University
714.628.7249 / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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su: Sorry - 5.2.1 -

2007-01-26 Thread gaye
Hi  there ,
I think it is better to write somethinf people can understand and avoid
generalizing things . One case can work for somebody and not for someone
else . Be carefull when giving advice when you are not sure for 100%.
This is regarding the su: Sorry problem .
With Best Regards
Guy
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Re: run a command on startup

2007-01-26 Thread Glenn Sieb
Jonathan Horne said the following on 1/26/2007 8:45 PM:
 well, unfortunately, that didnt work.
 
 # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Mon Jan 22 15:32:44 2007
 # Created: Mon Jan 22 15:32:44 2007
 # Enable network daemons for user convenience.
 # Please make all changes to this file, not to /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
 # This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
 defaultrouter=192.168.125.1
 hostname=pollux.dfwlp.com
 ifconfig_fxp0=ether 00:09:6b:b6:3e:d9
 ifconfig_fxp0=inet 192.168.125.71  netmask 255.255.255.128

Try this:

ifconfig_fxp0=ether 00:09:6b:b6:3e:d9 inet 192.168.125.71  netmask
255.255.255.128

Hope that helps..
Best,
--Glenn

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Re: run a command on startup

2007-01-26 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Friday 26 January 2007 20:21, Glenn Sieb wrote:
 Try this:

 ifconfig_fxp0=ether 00:09:6b:b6:3e:d9 inet 192.168.125.71  netmask
 255.255.255.128

 Hope that helps..
 Best,
 --Glenn


unfortunately, that didnt work either.  however, i just figured out something 
REALLY strange.  the computer will still wake up, if i give the command:

wakeonlan -i 192.168.125.127 00:00:00:00:00:00

*shrug* this is one of the strangest incidents ive had to troubleshoot in a 
long time!  i guess there is no reason that 00:[...] cant be a valid mac 
address, and it doesnt seem to be having any trouble pkg_add -r'ing from the 
net so, i guess i can put this one to bed.

cheers,
jonathan
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Re: Can not compile kernel.

2007-01-26 Thread Grant Wagner


Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:40:13PM 
-0800, Grant Wagner wrote:
 Hi, although have used various forms of unix for quite a while, I still 
 consider myself a rather novice user. I have reciently reconfigured my 
 machine to dual boot FreeBSD 6.2 and Windows (damn gaming addiction).
 
 I have installed a basic system (only base, games, man and src distros) and 
 modified my /etc/make.conf to look like the following...
 

  CFLAGS= -O3 -pipe -funroll-loops -ffast-math
  COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe -funroll-loops -ffast-math

Step 0) Note the warning about changing these settings in
/usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf and in the make.conf manpage.

Step 1) Revert those silly optimizations back to the default

Step 2) Rebuild everything to undo the damage

Kris

Well, in short, that worked. I have now build the kernel. I'm a little confused 
though and could use a bit of an explination.
 
 I thought only the COPTFLAGS options where used during kernel compilation and 
I had attempted to build with those commented out completely before. I can only 
guess that the CFLAGS are still in effect too.
 
 Now I have a custom kernel which is failing to build. I've attached the config 
file for it, and it fails trying to build with references about ieee80211. The 
odd thing is I have no wireless in my box and have commented out all the 
wireless references. What else is dependant on them and should be commented out 
as well? The last bit of output is below.
 
 Thanks again,
 Grant
 MAKE=make sh /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh STRIPPED
 cc -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing  -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs 
-Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  
-fformat-extensions -std=c99  -nostdinc -I-  -I. -I/usr/src/sys 
-I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter 
-I/usr/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/usr/src/sys/dev/ath -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ngatm 
-I/usr/src/sys/dev/twa -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include 
opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 
--param large-function-growth=1000  -mno-align-long-strings 
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 
-ffreestanding -Werror  vers.c
 linking kernel
 if_ural.o(.text+0x66): In function `ural_free_tx_list':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_free_node'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x2d3): In function `ural_rxeof':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_find_rxnode'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x2eb): In function `ural_rxeof':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_input'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x2f1): In function `ural_rxeof':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_free_node'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x893): In function `ural_start':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_find_txnode'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x8b9): In function `ural_start':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_encap'
 if_ural.o(.text+0xa0a): In function `ural_start':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_free_node'
 if_ural.o(.text+0xa3f): In function `ural_start':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_encap'
 if_ural.o(.text+0xa53): In function `ural_start':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_free_node'
 if_ural.o(.text+0xa65): In function `ural_start':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_crypto_encap'
 if_ural.o(.text+0xe47): In function `ural_txeof':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_free_node'
 if_ural.o(.text+0xeee): In function `ural_watchdog':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_watchdog'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x1188): In function `ural_detach':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_ifdetach'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x16f3): In function `ural_attach':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_ieee2mhz'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x1719): In function `ural_attach':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_ifattach'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x1754): In function `ural_attach':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_media_status'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x175f): In function `ural_attach':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_media_init'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x182b): In function `ural_attach':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_ieee2mhz'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x185f): In function `ural_attach':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_ieee2mhz'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x1894): In function `ural_attach':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_ieee2mhz'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x18e6): In function `ural_attach':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_announce'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x1b8e): In function `ural_set_chan':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_chan2ieee'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x21c3): In function `ural_task':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_beacon_alloc'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x2be0): In function `ural_media_change':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_media_change'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x2c3e): In function `ural_media_change':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_media_change'
 if_ural.o(.text+0x2cf7): In function `ural_ioctl':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_ioctl'
 if_ural.o(.text+0xe5): In function `ural_next_scan':
 : undefined reference to `ieee80211_next_scan'
 *** Error 

Re: ISL intervlan routing

2007-01-26 Thread Mike Tancsa
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:58:54 +0100 (CET), in
sentex.lists.freebsd.questions you wrote:

Hello all,
   
  For information, i'm french and my english is very bad.
   
  ISL encapsulation is it compatible with FreeBSD for intervlan routing???

Hi.
It is not, but 802.1q vlan trunking is and works very well.

---Mike
   
   
  Thanks

   
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Re: Can not compile kernel.

2007-01-26 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 07:33:44PM -0800, Grant Wagner wrote:
 
 
 Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:40:13PM 
 -0800, Grant Wagner wrote:
  Hi, although have used various forms of unix for quite a while, I still 
  consider myself a rather novice user. I have reciently reconfigured my 
  machine to dual boot FreeBSD 6.2 and Windows (damn gaming addiction).
  
  I have installed a basic system (only base, games, man and src distros) and 
  modified my /etc/make.conf to look like the following...
  
 
   CFLAGS= -O3 -pipe -funroll-loops -ffast-math
   COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe -funroll-loops -ffast-math
 
 Step 0) Note the warning about changing these settings in
 /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf and in the make.conf manpage.
 
 Step 1) Revert those silly optimizations back to the default
 
 Step 2) Rebuild everything to undo the damage
 
 Kris
 
 Well, in short, that worked. I have now build the kernel. I'm a little 
 confused though and could use a bit of an explination.
  
  I thought only the COPTFLAGS options where used during kernel compilation 
 and I had attempted to build with those commented out completely before. I 
 can only guess that the CFLAGS are still in effect too.

CFLAGS are used for module builds.

  Now I have a custom kernel which is failing to build. I've attached the 
 config file for it, and it fails trying to build with references about 
 ieee80211. The odd thing is I have no wireless in my box and have commented 
 out all the wireless references. What else is dependant on them and should be 
 commented out as well? The last bit of output is below.

Go back to GENERIC (you stripped out too much) or check the comments
more carefully...or note the error message and check whether you have
anything related still in your kernel.

  if_ural.o(.text+0x66): In function `ural_free_tx_list':
  : undefined reference to `ieee80211_free_node'
  if_ural.o(.text+0x2d3): In function `ural_rxeof':
  : undefined reference to `ieee80211_find_rxnode'

Kris

P.S. Please wrap your lines at 70 characters so that your emails may
be easily read.

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Re: Disk Space Requirements

2007-01-26 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jan 26), Jay Chandler said:
 I've got a VPS running FreeBSD 6.1 p5.
 
 I'd like to upgrade it to 6.2 if possible, or at least 6.1 p11.
 
 I've got four gigs of disk allocated to the box.  Is this enough
 space to rebuild the OS from source within?

You need less than 500MB of space for /usr/obj.  I recently upgraded a
system with almost-full drives by mounting a 1GB flash drive on
/usr/obj, and it didn't get over half full.  If you don't already have
a checked-out /usr/src tree, that'll require another 500MB.

-- 
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Spam and Viruses, Vandalism-l, the Mailing List from Hell.

2007-01-26 Thread Martin McCormick
Has anyone gotten the port
/usr/ports/mail/antivirus-milter to work?

The system in question runs FreeBSD5.4 with sendmail and
bogofilter.  Bogofilter is excellent at helping sort messages in
to spam or other folders if you generate a large wordlist.

One category of junkmail, however, is not true spam.  It
is more a form of hacking in that it tries to implant viruses
like Johny Appleseed only this guy is Johny weedseed.

I got antivirus-milter to make and install but it
immediately failed when started:

antivirus[53446]: externalcommand() 
failed to execve() /system/av/decullotage/uvscan

I basically said, huh?  After that, it hung and began
telling all remote hosts to try again later.

The url

http://www.nmt.edu/~wcolburn/antivirus/

is no good any more and there was very little documentation in
the package so I reset everything back to before the
installation.

This would have been a good counterpart to bogofilter
since the virus bombs usually get past bogofilter.  The ripmime
utility extracts the payload and antivirus-milter is supposed to
reject the message before delivery.

The other milter I found is milter-bogom.  It is probably
fine, but it duplicates bogofilter's function on a system-wide
basis.

Any ideas are much appreciated.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group
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Re: Best Blog Ap in the Ports?

2007-01-26 Thread bobmc
Tuareg wrote:
 On 1/26/07, eoghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 26 Jan 2007, at 17:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  What is the best blog ap in the ports tree?  I was thinking of
  starting a
  blog on my server for my Chemistry Students.
Since blogs and wikis are typically written in high-level such as PHP
and Perl, a port to a specific UNIX type OS should not be necessary.  Do
you know about LAMP?  Linux, Apache, MySQL, and ( Perl | PHP).  Scratch
out Linux and you will find that AMP runs anywhere. Call it BSD-AMP if
you like. I expect it will support your blogs and wikis very well. 

There is a certain amount of hype about LAMP probably started by some
Linux advocate not realizing that the valuable abstraction is being
obscured.  -BobMc-

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Re: Spam and Viruses, Vandalism-l, the Mailing List from Hell.

2007-01-26 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On January 26, 2007 10:16:57 PM -0600 Martin McCormick 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Has anyone gotten the port
/usr/ports/mail/antivirus-milter to work?

The system in question runs FreeBSD5.4 with sendmail and
bogofilter.  Bogofilter is excellent at helping sort messages in
to spam or other folders if you generate a large wordlist.

One category of junkmail, however, is not true spam.  It
is more a form of hacking in that it tries to implant viruses
like Johny Appleseed only this guy is Johny weedseed.

I got antivirus-milter to make and install but it
immediately failed when started:

antivirus[53446]: externalcommand()
failed to execve() /system/av/decullotage/uvscan

Uvscan is McAfee's antivirus product.  Did you install it?  There's a conf 
file in the files directory of that port.  It defines AVSCANNER as 
/usr/local/bin/uvscan.  That would require that you have McAfee 
Antivirus for FreeBSD installed.  If this machine handles lots of mail, I 
wouldn't suggest you use that.  Uvscan launches a shell for each time it's 
called, and it will suck a lot of cpu and memory (based on our extensive 
comparison testing.)


I would recommend that you install either clamav (security/clamav) or your 
school's commercial product *if* it has a daemon for FreeBSD.  If it's a 
shell program like McAfee, I would *not* recommend it.


Once you have the av product installed, edit the conf file appropriately 
and you should be up and running.  You'll find the conf file in 
/usr/local/etc.


Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/


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