Re: Does disk encryption causes a performance penalty for Data Access/Read/Write, etc
Does *disk encryption* causes a *performance* penalty for Data Access/Read/Write, etc? I haven't done any testing, but would assume that it would impact it to a certain degree, because there is the additional encryption overhead. --Nick Pavlica ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Diablo-Jre / Javavmwraper / Firefox / FreeBSD6.2
Graham, I did some testing with 6.2 RC1, and was able to install the JRE and run some Java applications, however others had various errors. I'm just assuming that they will need to recompile for 6.2 when it's ready. I don't use FBSD on my desktop so I haven't tested the browser plugin etc. --Nick Pavlica ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gmirror dump device does not exist?
All, I have just set up a FBSD6.0 server configured with gmirror/raid1 using two SATA drives ad4 ad6 according to these instructions: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/11/10/FreeBSD_Basics.html Everything is functioning properly with the exception of a boot warning that indicates that a dump device does not exist. I'm sure that I just missed something simple during the setup procedure. Does anyone have the quick fix for this? My fstab: # Device Mountpoint FStypeOptions DumpPass# /dev/mirror/gm0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/mirror/gm0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/mirror/gm0s1e /tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/mirror/gm0s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/mirror/gm0s1d /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 Thanks! -Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.8TB RAID5 SATA Array Questions
I am going to be attacking this tonight and my efforts will be primarily focused on creating one large 5.8TB slice.wish me luck!! How did this go? Were you able to create the very large slice? --Nick -- *From:* Nick Pavlica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:49 PM *To:* Benson Wong *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org *Subject:* Re: 5.8TB RAID5 SATA Array Questions Is there any limitations that would prevent a single volume that large? (if I remember there is a 2TB limit or something) 2TB is the largest for UFS2. 1TB is the largest for UFS1. Is the 2TB limit that you mention only for x86? This file system comparison lists the maximum size to be much larger ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems). --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.8TB RAID5 SATA Array Questions
On 4/15/05, Edgar Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK...so now we are going into some new territory...I am curious if you would care to elaborate a bit more...I am intrigued...if anyone wants me to do some experiments or test something, let me know...I for one welcome any attempts at pushing any limits or trying new things... I would help do some testing but I don't have any storage that large at the moment. I curious how 5.4RC2 or handles very large volumes. Have you already tried fdisk, newfs ? --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.8TB RAID5 SATA Array Questions
Is there any limitations that would prevent a single volume that large? (if I remember there is a 2TB limit or something) 2TB is the largest for UFS2. 1TB is the largest for UFS1. Is the 2TB limit that you mention only for x86? This file system comparison lists the maximum size to be much larger ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems). --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which mail server is the best for me?
One of these days I want to release a small tutorial on how to do this. That would be great! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.4 vinum
If anyone has an operational 5.4 + vinum installation which was generated fresh on 5.3 or 5.4, any experiences, sample configurations, and notes about the how the installation was really done would be more than welcome. I haven't tried to use vinum or gvinum, but have used gstripe with success(just read the man). Here is a tutorial that talks about gmirror as well. - http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/ --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gvinum - gmirror
On Apr 4, 2005 9:40 AM, Uro Gruber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I have one server 5.3RC2 and it's on Gvinum RAID1. Is it safe to upgrade to 5.4 (is there any big work since then). And one thing. Is it possible to move from gvinum to gmirror on live working server (production). I can do this only by remote. tia Uros ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5.4 will be worth the upgrade, but I would wait for it to become final before installing it on any production servers. If you have any test systems please start testing it. The more 5.4 is tested before release the better. I don't think that you will be able to migrate a gvinum volume to a gmirror volume in place. You will have to back it up, remove the gvinum volume, then configure gmirror and restore the data, etc. --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sysinstall + CVSup or just CVSup?
Chris, I alway install the ports that I want during my initial installation so I'm not sure what the best post installation method is. I would venture to say that cvsup would be you best bet. --Nick On Apr 7, 2005 8:22 AM, Christopher Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've installed FreeBSD 5.3 using the minimum install option, and would like to immediately install the ports collection. What I've done in the past is sysinstall via ftp and then CVSup to update. Is that insane? Can I just CVSup and forget about the sysinstall? Is one method quicker than the other? Maybe there's a better method altogether... Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user questions :)
On Apr 7, 2005 2:58 AM, Graham Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also wondered if there is a project based on FreeBSD that achieves similar goals to SME Server (ie all in one LAN server with Web config) or similar to Trustix (ie minimal config with series of scripts to configure server services. Not that I know of, but it sure would be a nice project, huh? definitely a nice one. hmm...what would be the best way to go about it? - add an option to sysinstall SME (well, whatever that would be named of course) - add a port that 'depends' / installs all the other ports needed - with questions and answer to start setting up your system...or some kind of UI for it (ugh) - same as with ports, but prec-compiled packages. hmm...must download SME to test and see how they went about it. Hi Guys, Iw as wondering how I would even go about starting a project like this using FreeBSD as I know even less than I do about Linux (not much) but I really rate SME and would love to see a FreeBSD version as FreeBSD seems even more suited to this type of thing (ie a stable distro to base a good project on:) Did you get round to checking out SME ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Graham, After taking a quick look at SME I can see it's appeal. I'm not sure if there is an equivalent for FreeBSD, but it would be a nice addition. Webmin does allot of this functionality as well if you haven't taken a look at that. To start a project like SME all you need to do is start hacking, and provide a web based community for it so that others are aware of it and possibly start helping out. Because they are both *nix based operating systems you may be able to start by porting the web manager from SME to FreeBSD 5.4 +. --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sysinstall + CVSup or just CVSup?
On Apr 7, 2005 9:12 AM, Christopher Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Pavlica wrote: Chris, I alway install the ports that I want during my initial installation so I'm not sure what the best post installation method is. I would venture to say that cvsup would be you best bet. --Nick My goal is to have the latest ports, regardless of which ones I actually want to install. I guess my question is more can I CVSup without first installing the ports collection, and if I do so, does that save time or take longer? - Chris Using cvsup is the way to go for getting the latest ports. I believe that you can use cvsup without installing the ports collection from cd. I would suggest configuring the ports-supfile and running cvsup (cvsup -g -L 2 ports-supfile). You should also update your base with cvsup and make buildworld as described in the handbook. --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: k3b dvd-image burning fails.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:43:40 +0300, Perttu Laine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have trouble burning dvd-r images to dvd+r discs on freebsd 5.4. I haven't been using k3b on FreeBSD, but you may want to report this as a bug with the port maintainer. --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
Can you guys please take this discussion off line. Thanks! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unable to ping out of a new install
Hi Chip, You can reconfigure your network interface using the sysinstall utility (/stand/sysinstall). If you are not using DHCP make sure that you have a DNS server and GATEWAY configured. --Nick On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:46:07 -0700, Chip Wiegand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just installed 5.3 on a laptop and am able to ping it, but it cannot ping anything else. When I enter the ping ipaddress command the curser moves down a line then nothing. It doesn't even time out. Just nothing. The box will reply to a ping from another box on the network though. Is there something new in 5.3 that I have to do to allow it to send a ping? Thanks, Chip ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5-STABLE doesn't compile: fails on Kerberos5?
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:51:15 -0500, Joel Heikkila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to make buildworld the 5-STABLE tree (fetched as of about an hour ago), and I got these error messages a bit of the way into it. Any idea what was causing this? I'll get back to you right away if you need more information or anything. /usr/local/libexec/ccache/cc -O -march=pentium2 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/asn1 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/roken -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../include -DINET6 -c /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5/cache.c /usr/local/libexec/ccache/cc -O -march=pentium2 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/asn1 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/roken -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../include -DINET6 -c /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5/changepw.c /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5/changepw.c: In function `setpw_send_request': /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5/changepw.c:170: error: syntax error before chpw /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5/changepw.c:188: error: `chpw' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5/changepw.c:188: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5/changepw.c:188: error: for each function it appears in.) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. -- Joel Heikkila [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may want to take a look at this thread as well: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2005-March/047173.html --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
Hello, However even then this is not a good test of HT - the point of HT is to improve throughput in multi thread workloads and the benchmark suite is basically single thread.What would be more interesting would be to run a test with a constant background load also running.In theory the HT should do a better job of balancing the load between the benchmark and the background than the BSD scheduler can on it's own. I don't have an HT box here or I'd try it but I'd love to know how it comes out if somebody is up for it. It would be interesting to see the results of the BSD ULE scheduler on 5.4 Pre and 6 compared to 5.3R. --Nick --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Monitoring critical processes
Paul, Nagios might meet your monitoring requirements? http://www.nagios.org/ --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cvs tag for 5.4-BETA1 ?
Hello, tag=RELENG_5 ? This is the correct tag for Beta 1. --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: greetings from FreeBSD DLL Hell!
Hello, You may want to try portupgrade to bring everything up to date. Here is a link to a tutorial: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD-5.4 PreRelease vs HP OmniBook XE2
Hi Stacey, What results do you get when you generate/test a new configuration file for XORG? I'm sure that you have been to the on line docs, but I thought I would provide a link just in case: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html I hope this helps! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 much slower than i386 on FreeBSD 5.4-pre
Hi Boris, I haven't had an opportunity to work with any AMD64 hardware yet, but have had good results with 5.4.? on i686. I can relate to your frustration, but can say that I was able to greatly improve 5.x performance with some effort. For example I went from a maximum sustained disk write of 15Mb/s to 90Mb/s on a file server. That said, to help you get a better response to your question I would suggest trying these things: - Document and post your testing procedures and results. This will allow others to get a much clearer picture of what may be happening. As I'm sure you know support via e-mail is very difficult because there is so much information that is missing. - You may want to try the performance list if you don't get any answers from this list. - File a problem report so that the developers are aware of your situation. I don't think that they spend allot of time on this list. (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/index.html) I hope this helps! --Nick What optimizations have you done to this point? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accessing Windows XP Desktop (Home Edition) remotely
VNC works very well for me, good suggestion! --Nick On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:02:48 -0500, daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On March 22, 2005 10:54 am, Odhiambo Washington wrote: I have this big curse that I have to access the office computer from home. The office PC runs WinXP Home, not Professional. I have turned the Internet upside-down trying to get an app that will enable me access the goddamn XP desktop, using something like krdesktop, from home. Something that can run on the Windows XP and provide me access to it's desktop from a FreeBSD box running KDE. i'd suggest vnc: http://www.realvnc.com/ http://www.tightvnc.com/ you use realvnc to install the server, then tightvnc to connect (i find it's faster than the normal vnc client. then to connect all you need is X running and: $ vncviewer ipaddress security note: vnc is *not* encrypted and is not generally considered secure. any ports you open/forward should be directed to your ip only. even better, try a knocking daemon. -- i hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. - thomas Jefferson, 1816 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's issues [Slightly OT]
Well said! I completely agree. --Nick On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:55:01 -0600 (CST), Duo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Stijn Hoop wrote: Can we please STOP fueling Anthony's drivel? --Stijn -- Nostalgia ain't what it used to be. I have two words for you: Mail Filtering. Use it. It can work wonders on signal to noise ratio. He is not going to quit, ever. Honestly, the whole disk thing reminds me of an experience with FreeBSD and an old gateway solo laptop. I wanted to make better use of it, as it was given to me, and it had windows 98 on it. Now, when I went to install 5.3, the machine would boot off CD, but, completely bork upon trying to get the disk to work. I popped in my 4.x CD, it worked with the disk fine. So, something must have changed. I scoured the list for similar/related issues. And, I found a simple setting change I could make at boot time, for the DMA settings, to get 5.3 installed. Made the same change in the .conf for boottime, and I was off and running. What I did not do, was camp out on the list, make wild random accusations that FreeBSD was a bug infested nightmare, because windows worked, but the newest FreeBSD did not. Windows has a very high tolerance for errors, which it masks.Masking such things is typically by design, so as not to panic the person sitting in front of it. I have seen this time and again. It's not a reason to panic. Ever. Also consider, it shields alot of sysadmins from real issues, as opposed to forcing them to deal with them in a real positive way: researching the problem to solution. I think this is one of the core issues Anthony has: having been sheltered from any real issues such as these, he's not equipped. Having worked to get LinuxPPC (when it was new) working with NewWorld Macs, and new powerbooks, there are always solutions, provided you dont act like a reprehensible jackass, who spouts off about their credentials, etc, ad infinitum, as a justification for bowing to their irrational and asinine behavior. The bottom line is, this guy will never go away. He dosent get it, so to speak. He dosent understand the fundamentals of open source methodology, he does not have a clear, concise, and professional understanding of how development, or any kind of rational sense of how the troubleshooting method works. He has zero clue as to how one can apply isolation logic, and all he wants to do is say, it worked on NT, now you better make it work for me, or else your product sucks, and you are not a real developer if you don't pander to my every whim. In the end, yes, he is annoying. But, you can take steps to avoid him, his posts, and the replies. Set up mail rules, procmail, whatever you need to do. And, while this may be a hassle, a good set of mail filtering templates is always a good idea, because Anthony is not the first flaming troll to ever be on this, or any mailing list, and he will not be the last. You would do well to accept this, start filtering replies, and bask in the new found signal to noise ratio. I have him blocked, but, not the replies. I think mostly, the list mages are handling him well, and, reading the fallout is far more entertaining. -- Duo Although the Buddhists will tell you that desire is the root of suffering, my personal experience leads me to point the finger at system administration. --Philip Greenspun ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wow ! 5.3 - 5.4 -
I wounder if there was an ACPI fix that addressed the issue? On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:51:48 +0100, Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 20 March 2005 23:19, Alex D'Elia wrote: Hello dear people @ freebsd something wonderfull ( at least in my case ) happened since the last update of the base system on a sony vaio laptop ( CPU: Intel Pentium III (694.84-MHz 686-class CPU) ) before, when the machine was compiling, it was getting at 82 degrees with 100% CPU now, with 100% CPU it gets at maximum 52 degrees. what happened between 5.3 and 5.4-PRERELEASE ? thanks alot, alex Well, obviously it got a lot cooler :) And 5.5 will have software CPU cooling. Seriously: I don't know the cause, could be anything. I wouldn't jump to conclusions about 5.3 - 5.4. Interesting observation though. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 4.x Opteron Question
Hello, On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:16:05 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Nick Pavlica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:45:44 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.x Opteron Question :em1897, : I'm curious how you are testing. In my testing, the 5.4 pre IP :stack performed very well. I was able to get 100% more throughput :than Linux (2.6.10 FC3) under heavy load on the exact same hardware. :I was actually surprised at the difference because I have been a Linux :Zellot for years. I didn't see any packet loss in my tests, but I do :have good quality networking gear and servers. I was happy enough :after my testing that I'm going to move my 4.x servers to 5.4 when :it's released. I haven't tested dragonfly yet, but get all the :performance I need out of FreeBSD. : :--Nick on a side note, I thought top posting was a no-no? I see gmail has the same issues as AOL. Or are the issues with the old farts with their newsreaders? :-) I don't get your logic. You are converting your servers from 4.x to 5.4 because you've found that 5.4 is faster than linux? Is that some sort of riddle? FreeBSD has always been faster than linux; I'm comparing FreeBSD 4.x to 5.4, so I'm not sure what linux has to do with anything here. I guess I was a little vague :). I brought up Linux because you mentioned it in your earlier post, and wanted to share my results with it. Additionally, I have used Linux in many projects over the years and like to use it as a baseline of comparison. The point that I was trying to make was that I was getting good results with 5.4 in my tests. I have been pitting 4.x against 5.x since I began using FreeBSD for my projects. The 4.x series does have an excellent performance record that can't be questioned, however, 5.x gets the job done for me. What you can get in terms of throughput doesn't always give you the right answer. My tests measure kernel performance; as I'm interested in routing/packet-processing performance. Sockets add a tricky variable. But I take the IP stack out of the equation altogether by bridging packets through a box, and I prefer to use a 50% load as timings sometimes change when you start to saturate things unnaturally. You won't be running your machine at 100% load, so it makes no sense to test it that way. For the latest test I have a 3.06Ghz xeon bridging 486,000pps. For FreeBSD 4.9, this is a 50% load. The load under 5.4 is 65%. It tests interrupt and process switching performance, which for a networking device is a key performance indicator. (I think) that the 5.4 kernel is threaded, so there are latencies that are very difficult to overcome. Linux has been threaded for a long time, and always has been a poor Uniprocessor performer. 5.4 is better than linux with one processor, but if you are UP then 4.x is clearly the way to go. Linux kills 5.4 with dual processors; in fact 5.4 seems to have higher network performance with 1 processor than 2. They still have a lot of issues to work out. DragonflyBSD has done a nice job with MP, but their performance is still a work in progress. For UP, their performance is dismal so its not quite where it needs to be, but its promising. My tests are focused around simple network I/O and saturate all the other subsystems before making the kernel break a sweat, MP or UP. Curiously, all of my tests have never caused excessive CPU utilization on 5.x, and do seem to consume more CPU resources on 4.x. I was attributing this behavior to the scheduling and GIANT lock issues of 5.x . It's interesting to learn about your testing and that you are capable of stressing the Kernel so easily. The tests I perform I utilize my production and non production applications so that I could measure what the net affect of OS performance would be in my environment. I used to focus tests on more esoteric what if scenarios, even trying to optimize my code before it was done, etc. I have found over the years that performance is a tricky beast to catch. Being a performance junkie like myself tends to make me focus on the performance that I don't need rather than the performance that I do. I still think about the 400HP Camero that I drove to get groceries, and it still puts a smile on my face. I just wish that they had done a 64-bit version of 4.x. Because at the moment it seems that there is no way to utilize the opteron fully without having to use a slow version of the OS, which negates the gains. Its a real shame. The bottom line in all of this is that 5.x and newer is where FreeBSD is going and 4.x and older is now legacy software weather we like it or not. In my mind this puts us in a postion to do one of the following: 1) Focus our efforts on 4.11 that's being replaced anyway. 2) Stop using FreeBSD and use Linux, Solaris, OpenBSD
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Anthony, I referenced the Novell GroupWise product. I'm not sure what you were referencing with the generic Groupware that you mentioned. It's clear that you have little knowledge of this technology and may want to spend some time learning about it before making blanket statements about it. My biggest concern is that you don't miss lead someone else on this list. GroupWise is superior to Exchange in almost every aspect. You would only know this if you had to mange both of these tools in the real world. As a straight mail server/messaging server Exchange in any version doesn't hold a candle to the available *nix bases solutions. Exchange has it's place with out a doubt, but please don't try to wave the Exchange flag to someone that knows better. --Nick On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:09:42 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Pavlica writes: I have had excellent results with Novell GroupWise. Groupware is fine if you need other functions more than e-mail, but for an organization interested primarily or exclusively in messaging, Exchange is the best choice. For example, Lotus Notes (like Groupwise, IIRC) is primarily a data manager with a few messaging functions. Exchange is a messaging system with a few data-management functions. Most organizations need e-mail more than anything else (even though many manage to delude themselves into believing otherwise), which is why Exchange is often a good choice. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 4.x Opteron Question
I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one working on Saturday. I understand the business aspect of things, I have business that rely on this technology as well. The developers Robert W don't owe us anything because we are not paying them. We didn't marry into there family, and didn't pull them out of a burning building. Without the free work that they have contributed, the work that I have contributed, and the thousands of others that have donated there time and money we wouldn't be able to exploit there work for our gain. I feel that it's important to give back, and clearly you do as well or you wouldn't be helping people on this list. I believe that this is reason enough to help the 5.x effort. We could choke everyone of the developers, but the fact remains that they are the developers of FreeBSD, and they are moving forward with these technologies. There is absolutely nothing wrong with staying on 4.x, and I know that you have to do what is right for you. What I'm advocating is that 5.x currently performs well enough to meet the performance needs for many organizations and can be used in production systems. It's also important to work on the problems at hand so that when 6.x is release it's what you and many others are expecting from it. I may sound like a politician, but as an Engineer and a Businessman I have grown accustom to looking at the bigger picture. When you test drive a car you are looking at more than how fast you can go from stop light to stop light. What is the fuel mileage, warranty, cost, color, etc. This is precisely how/why I got involved with this community and moved away from my RedHat roots. The funny thing is that I was making the exact same argument that you are against 5.x a few months ago to my team after comparing the disk I/O performance between 4.11 and 5.3. With some help from members of this community I was able to improve performance dramatically on 5.3 and noticed further improvement on 5.4. FreeBSD will continue to improve, but it isn't going to magically happen. It's likely that we will not completely agree with each other on this topic, but enjoy the being able to discuss both perspectives. --Nick On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:59:02 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You sound more like a politician than an engineer, Nick. I'm not a guinea pig, and I have a business to run,and I'm not going to spend an extra $400. per system to to get the same speed as with 4.x just to be one of the fellas. I have no obligation to care about their plight, just as they've informed me that they have no obligation to care about the needs of anyone in their user base. As for leadership, the FreeBSD developers told everyone that 5.3 was da bomb, and that 5.4 would be better, but if you get Robert Watson in a choke-hold he'll admit that its going to be the 6.x before they are where they should be now. The truth is that the model they chose for 5.x just plain doesn't work. If you get a charge out of playing follow the bozos, good for you. But I have a car, and when the new model comes out I might test drive it, and if it sucks I'll either keep my old car or buy something else. For now I'm slapping a coat of wax on 4.x and hoping that someone figures it out shortly. I chose freeBSD initially over linux not because there's a bunch of good guys on the project, but because it was good. I'll stick with 4.x for the same reasons. Personally I think its going to be a long, long time before FreeBSD is any good anymore. And I don't have that kind of time. The entire point of the project is to improve SMP performance, and several years in its worse than it was before. What evidience is there that there is an end to this ridiculous tunnel? -Original Message- Hello, On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:16:05 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Nick Pavlica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:45:44 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.x Opteron Question :em1897, : I'm curious how you are testing. In my testing, the 5.4 pre IP :stack performed very well. I was able to get 100% more throughput :than Linux (2.6.10 FC3) under heavy load on the exact same hardware. :I was actually surprised at the difference because I have been a Linux :Zellot for years. I didn't see any packet loss in my tests, but I do :have good quality networking gear and servers. I was happy enough :after my testing that I'm going to move my 4.x servers to 5.4 when :it's released. I haven't tested dragonfly yet, but get all the :performance I need out of FreeBSD. : :--Nick on a side note, I thought top posting was a no-no? I see gmail has the same issues as AOL. Or are the issues with the old farts with their newsreaders? :-) I don't get your logic. You are converting your servers
Re: 5.3-release fine with 512MB RAM, reboots at times with 1.5GB (but no panic)
I have had odd behavior like you are describing with cheap motherboards. I ran all of the memory tests etc, and everything passed with flying colors. Despite passing all of the tests I could throw at the hardware, windows 2000 was very unstable. We ultimately ended up replacing the board. On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:59:13 +, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:29:43PM -0800, Jean Lagarde wrote: Thanks to all who replied. So it seems the consensus is a likely hardware issue, and I am leaning that way as well now. I will try the suggestion about disabling ACPI however. To address some of the other comments, that exact CPU-mobo-memory configuration worked fine running Win2000 for many years, so I doubt it is the problem per se. Doesn't rule out bugs in the ACPI support of your motherboard. Some low-quality motherboards only implement an approximation to the ACPI spec to a level that gets windows to run. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
I have had excellent results with Novell GroupWise. --Nick On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:44:36 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emanuel Strobl writes: ??? Windows is a really good, well maintained standardized and secure piece of software compared to Exchange. I can't imagine why someone is even considering exchange when he knows about FreeBSD and it's programs. Exchange is the best choice for intra-organizational e-mail on relatively homogenous internal networks. The many features of Exchange provide a great many relevant and useful advantages in this type of environment. For heterogenous networks and ISPs, Exchange is a poor choice, because most users won't be able to profit from it, and because it is very difficult to implement when many machines in a network are non-Windows (and the Exchange servers themselves _must_ run Windows). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 4.x Opteron Question
em1897, I'm curious how you are testing. In my testing, the 5.4 pre IP stack performed very well. I was able to get 100% more throughput than Linux (2.6.10 FC3) under heavy load on the exact same hardware. I was actually surprised at the difference because I have been a Linux Zellot for years. I didn't see any packet loss in my tests, but I do have good quality networking gear and servers. I was happy enough after my testing that I'm going to move my 4.x servers to 5.4 when it's released. I haven't tested dragonfly yet, but get all the performance I need out of FreeBSD. --Nick On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:55:14 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Boris, : I would agree that my initial impression of 5.3 was that it was slow :compared to 4.x. After some tuning, I now have 5.3 running at an :acceptable performance level. You may want to start testing the newer :versions of 5 current. I have noticed improved performance on my test :servers and believe that 5.4 will demonstrate an improvement in :performance. I know that the guys on the performance list would like :to get some good feedback if you find any specific bottlenecks with it :as well. : :--Nick FYI, I recently testing bridging/network performance on 5.4-pre and its about the same as 5.3: 25 to 30% more CPU load for the same traffic levels than 4.x. SMP drops packets at about 60% load and seems to have a lower capacity than UP. I'm sure some things are faster, but networking is a large component for most people I think. Threaded network stacks just don't seem to perform well, certainly not on UP. Linux MP works much better, but with 2 CPUs it has the capacity of FreeBSD 4.x with 1. So its hard to justify. FWIW, its quite a bit better with UP than DragonFLY, but dragonfly is much better with 2 processors. On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:51:43 -0800 (PST), Boris Spirialitious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- cyb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/amd64.html Looks like you will need to use 5.3-release (or 5.3-stable/5.4-prerelease if you have more than 4GB). Why can you not use 5.3? 5.3 is too slow, and we have custom code. Why use faster hardware just to use slower version of O/S? Please don't start with flames. This is what I feel. I don't need so much RAM, so 4.x will work with 1 or 2GB of RAM? Boris On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 09:43 -0800, Boris Spirialitious wrote: --- Boris Spirialitious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When opteron support start for Freebsd? I have 4.9. is supported? Or 4.11 better? I can't use 5.x. Will a i386 disk boot on opteron system? Can I use same disk image for intel and amd MBs? Any big problems? Thanks, Boris Does anyone know answer please? Someone must use Opteron here Boris -- GnuPG key : 0xD25FCC81 | http://cyb.websimplex.de/pubkey.asc Fingerprint: D182 6F22 7EEC DD4C 0F6E 564C 691B 0372 D25F CC81 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: accounting package
I have had good luck with sql-ledger. --Nick On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:30:06 -0500, Harry Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a client server accounting package for industrial equipment dealers and distributors that will handle serialized whole good inventory, parts inventory and a service shop. Text based Unix or Linux platform is fine. Any recommendations? HR ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.3-release fine with 512MB RAM, reboots at times with 1.5GB (but no panic)
I would have to agree that it is a HW issue. The RAM itself may be ok, but may have issues with other HW components in your system. --Nick On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:10:27 -0800, Jean Lagarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been troubleshooting reboots over the last weekend, I think I might have enough clues now to get some useful hints from an expert. FreeBSD 5.3-release (see dmesg below for details) The problem seems to be with trying to run with 1.5GB vice 512MB of RAM. The system has not had problems so far when I only leave the 512MB stick in. When I add the 1GB stick the system will reboot at specific times, for example, while trying to launch KDE3 or trying to make OpenOffice (always reboots at Extracting for openoffice-1.1.2-1). I do not see any panic in the messages log, the system just silently reboots. I initially installed FreeBSD with only the 512MB stick in. The memory itself seems fine; memtest86 detects no errors. At boot time all the memory is detected: real memory = 1610547200 (1535 MB) avail memory = 1568432128 (1495 MB) Running memtest all only seems to find 512MB to use. It evidently makes no assumption about how much memory is there, starting by trying to malloc 4GB and reducing the amount gradually until it finally successfully mallocs 512 MB and eventually manages to lock 413 MB (failed due to insufficient resources above that). The tests on the 413 MB do pass. I have rebuilt the kernel with VM_KMEM_SIZE_MAX=419430400 as suggested in the FAQ. No change. Would setting MAXMEM to 1572864 help? I am not sure since the correct amount is reported by FreeBSD at boot, and right now trying to make the kernel with that option seems to be another case that reboots the machine (i.e. the make process itself reboots the machine) so I have not tried it yet (guess I would have to remove the 1GB stick to make the new kernel and then put it back to try it out). Thank you for any help. dmesg FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #1: Sun Mar 13 20:01:36 PST 2005 x:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/KERNEL_JEAN Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz (2205.01-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf24 Stepping = 4 Features=0x3febfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,C MOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM real memory = 1610547200 (1535 MB) avail memory = 1568432128 (1495 MB) mptable_probe: MP Config Table has bad signature: .\M^K\M-@ npx0: [FAST] npx0: math processor on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: SOYO AWRDACPI on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 cpu0: ACPI CPU (3 Cx states) on acpi0 acpi_tz0: Thermal Zone on acpi0 acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0 acpi_button1: Sleep Button on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0x1080-0x10ff,0x1000-0x107f,0x480-0x48f,0xcf8 -0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 agp0: SiS 645 host to AGP bridge mem 0xe000-0xe3ff at device 0.0 on pc i0 pcib1: PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: PCI bus on pcib1 isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 2.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 ohci0: SiS 5571 USB controller mem 0xe700-0xe7000fff irq 5 at device 2.2 o n pci0 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: SiS 5571 USB controller on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: SiS OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered ohci1: SiS 5571 USB controller mem 0xe7001000-0xe7001fff irq 12 at device 2.3 on pci0 ohci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb1: SiS 5571 USB controller on ohci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: SiS OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered atapci0: SiS 961 UDMA100 controller port 0xf000-0xf00f,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x3f6 ,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 2.5 on pci0 ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 sis0: SiS 900 10/100BaseTX port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xe7002000-0xe7002fff irq 11 at device 3.0 on pci0 miibus0: MII bus on sis0 ukphy0: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis0: Ethernet address: 00:50:2c:04:6c:0b pci0: display, VGA at device 10.0 (no driver attached) pci0: multimedia, audio at device 14.0 (no driver attached) sio0: 16550A-compatible COM port port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) port 0x64,0x60 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: AT Keyboard irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] orm0: ISA Option ROM at iomem 0xc-0xc7fff on isa0 pmtimer0 on isa0 ppc0: parallel port not found. sc0: System console at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA 16 virtual consoles,
Re: upgrade 5.3 to 5.4
I believe that this would do it, but I don't think they have created the 5_4 branch yet. Of course I haven't looked today :) Please keep in mind that the 5_4 final is still a few weeks out. --Nick On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:29:35 +0200, Perttu Laine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! If I want upgrade 5.3 to 5.4 is this all I need to do: 1. change RELENG_5_3 to 5_4 and cvsup sources. 2. make buildworld 3. make buildkernel KERNCONF=filename 4. make installkernel KERNCONF=filename 5. reboot to single user 6. mergemaster -p 7. make installworld 8. mergemaster 9. reboot -- kpn @ IRCnet ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.3+ Vinum or Gvinum
Andrea, I have started testing with gstripe and have had good results to this point. I'm still a little unclear about how to make my stripe persistent after a reboot? My server consists of three drives. A 40GB drive that has the operating system and two 200Gb drives that I'm using for the raid 0 volume. I was also curious about a couple of other things. - There is a .snap directory on the volume. Is this used by gstripe? - I changed the mode to fast and didn't notice any difference in my basic performance testing. Is there any advantage of using fast? - I used newfs -O 2 to create a UFS2 file system on the volume. Is this treated like any other UFS2 volume that can utilize fsck, etc? - How resiliant is this volume if the system were to crash? --Thanks! Nick On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:48:39 +0100, Andrea Venturoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Pavlica wrote: All, I would like to set up a raid 0 volume on my 5.3 server using two identical SATA drives.After reading through a number of documents I noticed that there are two related utilities to do this, Vinum and Gvinum. Which utility should be used? It's my understanding that Gvinum is the most current and should be used on 5.3+? Does the hadbook refer to Vinum, Gvinum or both? I'd reccomend you none of them; look here for detailed reasons: http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/. In brief, I've experienced severe panics with vinum after an upgrade from 5.2.1 to 5.3 and gvinum is marked as alpha software and poorly documented. I'm quite happy with gmirror now, which the tutorial above describes. You would use gstripe instead. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.3+ Vinum or Gvinum
John, That did the trick. I built a new kernel with the GEOM_STRIPE option and added an entry to my fstab to mount the volume(stripe) and everything worked like a charm. In the end this turned out to be much simpler than I had anticipated. I wish this information would have been available in the online documentation (Hand Book). I wouldn't have even known about gstripe, if it were not for the people on this list. I wounder how many undocumented gems are out there. Thanks Again! --Nick On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:45:40 -0800, John Pettitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Pavlica wrote: Andrea, I have started testing with gstripe and have had good results to this point. I'm still a little unclear about how to make my stripe persistent after a reboot? My server consists of three drives. A 40GB drive that has the operating system and two 200Gb drives that I'm using for the raid 0 volume. I was also curious about a couple of other things. If you made the stripe using something like gstripe label -v -s somenumber data /dev/mumble1 /dev/mumble2 then it will be persistent subject to gstripe being loaded in the kernel - use gstripe load or build a kernel with options GEOM_STRIPE You see something like GEOM_STRIPE: Device data2 created (id=889964967). GEOM_STRIPE: Disk da0 attached to data2. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da1 is ufs/data. GEOM_STRIPE: Disk da2 attached to data2. GEOM_STRIPE: Device data2 activated. In the boot messages (device names will vary - I'm using two 300GB USB drives) - There is a .snap directory on the volume. Is this used by gstripe? Nope that's a ufs2 thing - I used newfs -O 2 to create a UFS2 file system on the volume. Is this treated like any other UFS2 volume that can utilize fsck, etc? Yes - although you might want to specify a block size as the defaults tend to assume lots of small files which is not always the case for very large stripe sets. - How resiliant is this volume if the system were to crash? The same as any other volume except that you have twice the chance of a hard drive failure which would be fatal to the volume. --Thanks! Nick On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:48:39 +0100, Andrea Venturoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Pavlica wrote: All, I would like to set up a raid 0 volume on my 5.3 server using two identical SATA drives. After reading through a number of documents I noticed that there are two related utilities to do this, Vinum and Gvinum. Which utility should be used? It's my understanding that Gvinum is the most current and should be used on 5.3+? Does the hadbook refer to Vinum, Gvinum or both? I'd reccomend you none of them; look here for detailed reasons: http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/. In brief, I've experienced severe panics with vinum after an upgrade from 5.2.1 to 5.3 and gvinum is marked as alpha software and poorly documented. I'm quite happy with gmirror now, which the tutorial above describes. You would use gstripe instead. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 4.x Opteron Question
Boris, I would agree that my initial impression of 5.3 was that it was slow compared to 4.x. After some tuning, I now have 5.3 running at an acceptable performance level. You may want to start testing the newer versions of 5 current. I have noticed improved performance on my test servers and believe that 5.4 will demonstrate an improvement in performance. I know that the guys on the performance list would like to get some good feedback if you find any specific bottlenecks with it as well. --Nick On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:51:43 -0800 (PST), Boris Spirialitious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- cyb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/amd64.html Looks like you will need to use 5.3-release (or 5.3-stable/5.4-prerelease if you have more than 4GB). Why can you not use 5.3? 5.3 is too slow, and we have custom code. Why use faster hardware just to use slower version of O/S? Please don't start with flames. This is what I feel. I don't need so much RAM, so 4.x will work with 1 or 2GB of RAM? Boris On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 09:43 -0800, Boris Spirialitious wrote: --- Boris Spirialitious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When opteron support start for Freebsd? I have 4.9. is supported? Or 4.11 better? I can't use 5.x. Will a i386 disk boot on opteron system? Can I use same disk image for intel and amd MBs? Any big problems? Thanks, Boris Does anyone know answer please? Someone must use Opteron here Boris -- GnuPG key : 0xD25FCC81 | http://cyb.websimplex.de/pubkey.asc Fingerprint: D182 6F22 7EEC DD4C 0F6E 564C 691B 0372 D25F CC81 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD 5.3+ Vinum or Gvinum
All, I would like to set up a raid 0 volume on my 5.3 server using two identical SATA drives.After reading through a number of documents I noticed that there are two related utilities to do this, Vinum and Gvinum. Which utility should be used? It's my understanding that Gvinum is the most current and should be used on 5.3+? Does the hadbook refer to Vinum, Gvinum or both? Thanks! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.3+ Vinum or Gvinum
Hi Doug, I will take a look at this. Have you used it on any production servers? How does it compare to vinum/gvinum in terms of performance reliability? --Thanks! Nick On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:04:31 -0600, Doug Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:01:06PM -0700, Nick Pavlica wrote: All, I would like to set up a raid 0 volume on my 5.3 server using two identical SATA drives.After reading through a number of documents I noticed that there are two related utilities to do this, Vinum and Gvinum. Which utility should be used? It's my understanding that Gvinum is the most current and should be used on 5.3+? Does the hadbook refer to Vinum, Gvinum or both? This is not an answer to your question, but another option for you to consider: gstripe -- Regards, Doug ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SAMBA newbie
Is this safe ? Obviously security isn't really a priority in your situation. It sound like you are really looking for convenience. That said there are a large number of options out there for you, samba is one of them and can easily be configured with a utility called webmin (http://www.webmin.com/). A more secure option could be OpenSSH. --Nick On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:19:45 +, David Larkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:59:32 + David Larkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:15:28 +0900 Luke Kearney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:28:52 + David Larkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: I have a FreeBSD 5.3 machine and a Windoze XP box. I am the only user of both. I don't want to share files or act as a full time fileserver. I simply wish to exchange files ocassionally, e.g. copy FreeBSD backup files to the XP box to burn on CD. I used to use anon ftp for this type of thing but found the security a nightmare. I've now installed Samba on the FreeBSD box , but I'm not sure this is a good idea. Can I set up a 'sandbox' directory on my FreeBSD machine where both machines can read and write ? After installing samba and setting the workgroup in smb.conf, i can now see the FREEBSD box in 'view workgroup computers' but clicking on that I am asked for a username/password , which i'm reluctant to give. Any advice ? ___ Hello, If you take a look at the documentation you will find that you have several options, you can encrypt the passwds, you could set up a guest account with no passwd but restrict access to a particular filesystem to think of but two. HTH LukeK Thanks, I don't want to use any passwords, enrypted or otherwise The guest account sounds interesing. I've commented out the following in smb.conf # This one is useful for people to share files [tmp] comment = Temporary file space path = /tmp read only = no public = yes should this allow everyone on both machines to write to the /tmp directory but not execute anything there ? I still get challenged for a username/password on the XP directory. guest/guest and nobody/nobody both fail OK, I got that to work by changing the line security = user to security = share Is this safe ? -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installworld fails (5.4-PRE)
Make sure that your system is time synchronized then cvsup, rm files in /usr/obj, etc... This has helped me in the past. --Nick On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:46:04 +, Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:53:17 -0600, J.D. Bronson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drwxr-xr-x 14 root wheel 512 Mar 9 20:37 . drwxr-xr-x 46 root wheel 4608 Mar 9 20:37 .. -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 4210 Mar 2 17:00 acpica But acpica is -not- a directory ??? It should be a directory, in my 5.4-PRERELEASE: cd /usr/include/dev/ ls -al | grep acpica drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 9 15:57 acpica ls -al acpica/ total 10 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 9 15:57 . drwxr-xr-x 15 root wheel 512 Mar 9 15:54 .. -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 4210 Mar 9 15:57 acpiio.h Try to cvsup once more the source! Hope this helps... -- Pietro Piter Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beansidhe - SwiSS Death / Thrash Metal www.beansidhe.ch Windows: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are you guys coming or what? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Highly Available Print Servers
I use cups and IPP with allot of success. On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:47:03 -0500, Timothy Radigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to have a highly available print server using FreeBSD? I've looked into SAMBA, but it doesn't look like it supports a form of clustering SAMBA servers at this time. Pretty much what I need is to cluster some print servers so that all printers are available even if a server goes down. I have Windows clients so I would need to have some form of connectivity for the Windows clients. Any ideas? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD Hardware Recomendations - NIC/HD
All, I'm looking at adding some hardware to my FreeBSD 5.3+ Backup servers and would like your recommendations for the following items: - Gigabit Ethernet cards: I'm going to use them as dedicated cards in the primary and backup servers so that I can quickly rsync between them. I would like to find a card that is currently MP safe and a good performer. - SATA HD: I'm currently planning on adding two 200GB drives to both servers. Are there any that stand out as good performers? Thanks! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Video Conf Software
Does Gnome Conference provide this? --Nick On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:40:47 -0500, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Trying to find some Video Conference software for personal use to chat with a friend of mine. Obviously I am using Freebsd (amd64) he is on Windows. Any recommendations? Thanks Sean ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Potential dangers with big arrays
Eric, I believe that UFS2 (5.3+) will handle filesystems of that size without a problem. I would make sure however that your hardware plays well with freebsd before you purchase it. --Nick On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:49:18 -0500, Eric McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to build a fairly large - somewhere from 1TB to 1.75TB in size - array behind a hardware RAID controller and put FreeBSD on it. But after being a good boy and Googling for information before laying out a couple grand, I discovered that FreeBSD might not have such great support for large filesystems. The last bit of useful information I found was from July 2004, so the situation might have changed since then and I figured I'd ask. What sort of problems can I expect to see? Aesthetic problems, like negative numbers in df, are not a worry. The vast majority of files will be 1GB or smaller, so that's not a concern either. But the guy who did those tests in July got no space left on device after using up only 800GB or so, and that obviously would be a problem. Naturally I can, and will, test this myself when I get the hardware, but I'm concerned that there may be creeping invisible problems which might result in frequent panics or loss of data - problems which might not become apparent until after I've reached the point where I no longer have enough room to play musical chairs with my data (which will be about 400GB in). Any information anyone has, even if it's just a pointer to who or where I should be asking instead, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
vinum gbde
All, Is it possible to use vinum and gbde? I read in the handbook that they were not compatible, but saw a number of posts on the Internet that mention an integration of the two in 5.x. Thanks! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NFS V4 Replication
All, Is it possible to replicate NFS servers is V4? If so can you point me in the right direction in setting this up. Thanks! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Default security: other users can ACCESS MY HOMEDIR?!
How would you restrict regular users from accessing any part of the file system accept there home dirs? Is this even possible? On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:26:10 +0100, David Landgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: hey i didn't realize all my users had full access to my homedir! that kinda sucks, me who thought i had everything private and locked down what chmod should i set my homedir to then? chmod 700 $HOME and how do i set my system to chmod all new homedirs to that chmod? umask 0077 thanks! You're welcome. David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Default security: other users can ACCESS MY HOMEDIR?!
I was thinking along the lines of a scp server that would only allow the user to browse only there directories. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:39:43 +0100 (CET), Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Nick Pavlica wrote: How would you restrict regular users from accessing any part of the file system accept there home dirs? Is this even possible? Hello Nick, it is possible but why? The user must be able to access their shells, configurations and so on! With regards Stevan Tiefert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Default security: other users can ACCESS MY HOMEDIR?!
I will have to give this a try, it sounds like it will do the trick. Thanks for the info! --Nick On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 01:16:43 +, Chris Hodgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Kinsey wrote: Nick Pavlica wrote: I was thinking along the lines of a scp server that would only allow the user to browse only there directories. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:39:43 +0100 (CET), Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Nick Pavlica wrote: How would you restrict regular users from accessing any part of the file system accept there home dirs? Is this even possible? Hello Nick, it is possible but why? The user must be able to access their shells, configurations and so on! With regards Stevan Tiefert You might look at MAC (Chapter 15 of the handbook). I don't grok it yet, so I can't say if it's exactly what you need. It could be a lot more ... Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also have a look at this: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1404 Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cluster File System / Replicated File System
All, I'm trying to set up a group of redundant scp servers to back up my data. I was thinking that a cluster of servers with replicated file systems would provide the redundancy that I would like. I have a fair amount of data and would like to be able to grow the storage as my backups increase. Is there a cluster and or file system replication method that meets these requirements in FreeBSD? Your help is appreciated! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Portupgrading - portauditing
I believe if you do a portuprade -arR you will also upgrade any dependant ports.
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George Katsanos wrote:
Hello,
Your team is ALWAYS very helpful . It's the best support i've ever dealt
with.
Question : How do i portupgrade , just the pkgs/ports that portaudit -a sais
have vulnerabilities,and not the whole thing?
Thank you
G.K.
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Are you after a way to do this automatically or just a way to do it
generally?
You basically want to run portaudit -a and portupgrade each Affected
Package. You could probably script this quite easily:
for i in `portaudit -a | grep Affected package: | awk '{print $3}'`
do
portupgrade $FLAGS $i
done
Hope this is what you were after. :)
Chris
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Linux Compat - LIBSTDC++.SO.5 - Call Of Duty
All, I'm trying to get the Call of Duty Dedicated server running on FreeBSD 5.3. To do get an error when I run the daemon which is caused by issue below. Are there compatibility libs in the ports collection? If not should I use the libs from this link? If so where to I put them? Thanks! --Nick - IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LIBSTDC++.SO.5 ... If you are reading this, it's probably because you tried to start your Linux server and saw this message: ./coduo_lnxded: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory COD:UO is a C++ program built with gcc 3.2.3, which means it needs a system library specific to gcc 3.2. Older Linux systems won't have this installed, and we're starting to see newer Linux distributions that don't have this either, since they are supplying an incompatible gcc 3.4 version. The good news is that you can drop the needed library into your system without breaking anything else. Here is the library you need, if your Linux distribution doesn't supply it: http://icculus.org/updates/cod/gcc3-libs.tar.bz2 You want to unpack that somewhere that the dynamic linker will see it (if you are sure it won't overwrite any files, you can even use /lib). --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hula Server -- Mail/Cal Server
I haven't done this yet, but do the Linux compatibility libraries provide support for this? On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:46:23 +, Phil Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nick We are currently trying to install it at a freebsd site. We have gotten to the stage where it expects atomic.h from linux, so it doesn't look like it will work without patching. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:43:11 -0700, Nick Pavlica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I just noticed that Hulu Server (http://hula-project.org/index.php/Hula_Server) was released. They only mention Linux support at this time, but provide source install instructions. What is the best approach to installing this on freeBSD? Thanks! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hula Server -- Mail/Cal Server
That's good news! Please keep me posted on how this is coming together. I will probably try to install it in a couple of days. --Thanks Nick On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:11:54 +, Phil Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just heard that they will be committing a fix for the atomic.h problem today, so it should be buildable on freebsd by tomorrow. You will need to install /usr/ports/gnu-tools/automake /usr/ports/gnu-tools/autoconf /usr/ports/gnu-tools/libtool On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:54:03 -0700, Nick Pavlica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't done this yet, but do the Linux compatibility libraries provide support for this? On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:46:23 +, Phil Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nick We are currently trying to install it at a freebsd site. We have gotten to the stage where it expects atomic.h from linux, so it doesn't look like it will work without patching. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:43:11 -0700, Nick Pavlica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I just noticed that Hulu Server (http://hula-project.org/index.php/Hula_Server) was released. They only mention Linux support at this time, but provide source install instructions. What is the best approach to installing this on freeBSD? Thanks! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hula Server -- Mail/Cal Server
All, I just noticed that Hulu Server (http://hula-project.org/index.php/Hula_Server) was released. They only mention Linux support at this time, but provide source install instructions. What is the best approach to installing this on freeBSD? Thanks! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebsd vs. linux
Peterhin, I have been an avid Linux/Open Source user and advocate for approximately 7 years . I was into Linux before it was the Cool thing to do. I have recently began my journey with FreeBSD, and I'm really enjoying it thus far. In fact, I have decided to use it on all of my production servers. You will read a thousand posts, various articles, and journals about the pros and cons of these operating systems. This will cause some confusion because someone will convince you that this is better than that, then another author will make a very strong case in the other direction. In the end,neither of these technologies is superior to the other. Each of them have goods and bad attributes that will determine what your experience will be. To really get a feel for these technologies you need to install and use them long enough to form your own opinion. Having experience with both of these will do nothing but benefit you. --Nick On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:13:27 -0500, Peterhin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good day, I am a Newbie to Freebsd and was just reading your reply Re. Instead of freebsd.com, why not... and you made the comment; Linux is inferior to FreeBSD, and yet it is taken more seriously because of the atmosphere around it, despite its technical inferiority Could you please either explain, why Freebsd is superior to Linux, (I am asking this as I would like to understand, in more depth, why it is better) or direct me to a source that might give me some further reading on the subject. I would really appreciate a better understanding of the differences between Freebsd and Linux. Thanking you for your time. -- Peter Peace is never more than one thought away ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SQL Questions (MySQL or PostgreSQL?)
I have used both of these databases on critical production servers with great results. I would suggest that you play around with both of them. --Nick On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:59:10 -0500, Ean Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On February 11, 2005 05:17 pm, Sean wrote: Jan Branbergen wrote: I would like to install SQL here for my own use, not for any real life currently, round now for learning. Right now plan to install MySQL. Looking through the ports there is numerous version and some say for server, some say for client. Looking for some tips as to what version of SQL and tools to install? Also wondering if anyone can point me towards documentation in my learning efforts? i would like to suggest PostgreSQL if your objective is learning SQL. MySQL only provides a subset. it is by no means more complicated to install or to get started. regards, Jan What is the difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL? From what I see MySQL seems to be more common. From a basic design standpoint, MySQL was designed to be a fast language compatible RDBMS system. To achieve that goal they cut out a lot of features. Particularly those related to integrity, consistency, and validity checking. Postgres is designed to be a fully functional RDBMS that complies with the SQL standard. It includes integrity, consistency, and validity checking that MySQL lacks. I also think one of the reasons that MySQL is more common than Postgres is because when they were both starting out, MySQL got a functional RDBMS out much sooner than Postgres did and when Postgres did get theirs out, MySQL was a lot faster (because of the lack of data validation). Postgres has since closed the gap a lot on the speed issues while keeping the data integrity. On the other hand, there are a lot more tools that make managing a MySQL server easier. -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Personally I'm very happy that they are changing the logo. Thanks to those that decided to take the plunge to do this! --Nick On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:42:32 +0100, Stephan Lichtenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 10.02.2005 um 10:20 schrieb Anthony Atkielski: Joshua Tinnin writes: I don't think that a logo makes or breaks deals, but from a public relations and marketing standpoint a good logo is extremely useful, and the lack of a logo (or a very busy logo that's hard to use and recognize) can be a liability. I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information about how to use the system. Stephan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simulating webserver load balancing
Here are a couple of other solutions to look at: http://www.inlab.de/balance.html http://pythondirector.sourceforge.net/ --Nick On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:07:20 -0500, Gerard Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im looking for suggestions for a port and/or tips that would assist me in setting up a webserver cluster. But the catch is, I only have one physical webserver. I want to simulate an environment to test some code that I wrote. Thanks for anything that you can provide... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dell poweredge servers
I have a PE 2400 running 4.11R with a PERC2-SI. I also had 5.3 running on it with no problem. I didn't have to reconfigure the kernel for either install. --Nick On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:14:42 -0800, Mark A. Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Bear wrote: I was looking at the support hardware list for Fbsd 5.x and could find no mention of the PERC3-DI scsi controller.. so I was wondering if anyone has used a dell poweredge 2650, and what your experience was running Freebsd 4.X and 5.x on it. I've been running FBSD 4.7 since Apr 2003 on a PE2650 with the PERC3-DI controller. I haven't had any problem setting it up. Just make sure you leave the device aac option in your kernel config. Cheers, -.mag ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySql Load balancing Solutions?
Uh --- MySQL Cluster is a standard part of 4.1.9. You just have to install the mysql41-server port WITH_NDB=yes, which gets you a bunch of extra executables, mostly in /usr/local/libexec, including ndb_mgmd and ndbd. See: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/ndbcluster.html Yes it's part of 4.19, but if your software is not licenced under the GPL you must buy a licence for the MySql servers ($595/server), and another licence for MySql Cluster($5,000/CPU). So if you you have three servers with dual cpus you would owe MySql $31,785. The licencing applies to any situation where you are running the database on more that one server, even if it is a web application. I spent quite a bit of time working with a MySql representative trying to clear this out a while back, and called them back to confirm today. Here is the name of the Mysql rep. that I spoke to: Rena Dosono Inside Sales Executive MySQL, Inc. www.mysql.com Tel: 206-824-4356 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure all your code is GPL and is available in source for download :) --Nick On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:31:53 +, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 01:46:22PM -0700, Nick Pavlica wrote: MySql 4.1 has been the production release since 4.1.7 and are currently at the 4.1.9 release. You could look into the seperate MySql Cluster product, but it is around $5k per cpu last time I checked. Uh --- MySQL Cluster is a standard part of 4.1.9. You just have to install the mysql41-server port WITH_NDB=yes, which gets you a bunch of extra executables, mostly in /usr/local/libexec, including ndb_mgmd and ndbd. See: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/ndbcluster.html I set up a system using these just yesterday, and it's working like a charm (so far...) Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh default security risc
In this scenario the box has already been compromised and needs serious attention now. Even if you have to go to the land of Far Far away :) On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:32:18 +0100, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By default the root ssh is disabled. If a dedicated server x somewhere far far away doesn't have root ssh enabled the admin is pretty much screwed if they hack his user account and change the user password right ? So is it not better to enable it by default ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel EMT64 Xeon vs AMD Opteron
I think this would depend on your application, but I have hear allot of good things about AMD 64. --Nick On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:04:21 -0500, Nathan Vidican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, Just looking for general opinions and/or advice regarding use of one over the other. Cost wise, AMD Opteron 246 is roughly the same cost as a 3.0Ghz Xeon ... But how do they compare performance wise; specifically related to FreeBSD? (Not subscribed to both lists I sent this to, please reply directly via email and cc the list if you could - thanks) -- Nathan Vidican [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windsor Match Plate Tool Ltd. http://www.wmptl.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySql Load balancing Solutions?
All, MySql 4.1 has been the production release since 4.1.7 and are currently at the 4.1.9 release. You could look into the seperate MySql Cluster product, but it is around $5k per cpu last time I checked. --Nick On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:28:22 -0700 (MST), Technical Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drumslayer, The only problem with this is that 4.1 is stil considered Beta (not yet ready for production). I see little chance in convincing managment to utilize something beta for something so important. :( Forgive me for being possibly naive but from what I understand 4.1.X moved off of beta into Generally Available with a This is the current generally available (GA) release of the MySQL database server. It is recommended for most users. [ http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/4.1.html ] Not necessarily saying it's bomb proof but I don't know if they classify it as beta anymore. As well if it means anything to you we would never have moved our 'crticial' services to 4.1.X from 4.0.XX if we didn't believe it was ready. Our wait time was seemingly forever but appears to have paid off with the stability and strength of the system. My 2 cents. Rob. On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Drumslayer wrote: --- Technical Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drumslayer, I am part of a team running MySQL 4.1.X on 5 machines in a replication setup. Our first way to help manage load is the use of useful rules in our connection classes to direct Writes to our big server with fast I/O and memory and directing Rreads to our slower I/O less RAM slaves only. I so far have only seen an alternative from a company called Emic. But it only runs any OS but freeBSD sadly. (it modifies the kernel so compat won't do it) Have you heard of any hardware solutions or FreeBSD friendly free or commercial products? I know basic clustering and such is supposed to be OK but everything that seems OS agnostic says it's Beta. We may wind up doing it this way but right now its a toss up of a Beta Solution or move to linux with Emic. Which I'm not fond of becouse its so convoluted and Well Not BSD :) Thanks M. This one step in itself has done a LOT for keeping uptimes high and queries fast. A positive advantage is that the 5 machines allows us the opportunity to change the configuration if say one fails we can promote another slave to take that position or in the case of the Write server we can promote a slave to a Write server until the original Write server can be recovered. As well whether you use C/C++, Java, PHP or some other scripting language to access your database it shouldn't be too hard to write some sort of algorithm in your connection to spread the connections across your host base. When it comes to management I won't lie, 4.0.XX's handling of Replication was tough. Since though we've made the move to 4.1.X our problems have become less and less. A final advantage to having seperate machines in a replication setup is the ability to upgrade a segment or machine to a newer MySQL version to see how it will operate on your hardware/OS and with your programs. We did this with our move from 4.0.XX to 4.1.X by taking 2 slaves out of the main loop, promoting one to the new 4.1.X master and the other slave to a new 4.1.X slave. After testing in pre-production we proceeded with the deployment on our other 3 boxes. INFO: Our 5 machine replication setup consists of: 1) 1 - 4 x P4 Xeon Compaq Server (Write DB Server) 2) 4 - 1 x P3 Compaq Servers (Read DB Server) NOTE: On a smaller scale on my home network I do the same on three machines all sub-server class. I still have great reliability and robust performance from such a simple design. I hope this information is helpful, I know it works well for us. Rob. On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Drumslayer wrote: Hi I have been running a fairly heavy duty server for MySQL on FreeBSD but its starting to peak. I would like to know what others have done as far as using a load balancing solution for MySQL or their success with replication. Also has anyone done a 64 bit build of MySQL on FreeBSD successfully? Thanks! M. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail
Supfile Config / 5.3 - 5.4 Devel
All, I would like to update my 5.3 server to the 5.4+ development branch so that I can do some performance testing against it. I started with the standard supfile and made the following change: Orig: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_3 New: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5 - Will this get me where I want to go? - Do I need to rebuild the Kernel after doing the cvsup / make buildworld / make installworld? - Is there anything else I should do to make sure I have a good test version? Thanks! --Nick Pavlica ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Book Recomendations
All, I'm looking at deploying FreeBSD on my servers and would like your book recommendations. We will probably be using 4.11 or 5.3 or on our servers. Thanks! --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supfile Config / 5.3 - 5.4 Devel
Thanks! I just wanted to verify that I was on the right track. --Nick On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:16:43 +, Jason Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/02/05 18:04:36, Nick Pavlica wrote: All, I would like to update my 5.3 server to the 5.4+ development branch so that I can do some performance testing against it. I started with the standard supfile and made the following change: Orig: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_3 New: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5 - Will this get me where I want to go? - Do I need to rebuild the Kernel after doing the cvsup / make buildworld / make installworld? - Is there anything else I should do to make sure I have a good test version? Thanks! --Nick Pavlica Short answer, yes ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
Try these links: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/privileges.html http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/can-not-connect-to-server.html http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/request-access.html http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/privilege-system.html --Nick On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:41:40 -0800, Positive Negative [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) in /usr/local/www/sites/bender69/webcal/includes/php-dbi.php on line 48 Error connecting to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) OK, how do i change it back. /usr/local/bin/mysqladmin -u root password This is where it got messed up how do i fix it? -- AIM: FucPsSht ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Load Balanceing Recommendations
I discovered an article this morning that has some links to clustering tools that will run on FreeBSD. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-pow-opcluster/?-pa-ca=dgr-lnxw07Clustering I also saw the tool dns_balance: http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/ports.php?c=dnsn=dns_balance --Nick On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:26:35 -0500, Michael Conlen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2005, at 5:11 PM, Nick Pavlica wrote: All, I have been searching for a load balancing tool/method for managing the traffic going to my web servers(http(s)). I have found a number of tools/methods out there, but haven't found any that stand out as the Common Solution to this task on FreeBSD (I may be overlooking the obvious :)). I'm currently testing on FreeBSD 4.11 and 5.3 on x86. - What method/tool do you use or recommend based on your production experience? I've used two methods that have worked well. One is to use a FreeBSD or OpenBSD as a router and use PF to do the load balancing. The downside with this method is that it doesn't sense when a server is down and remove it from the pool of servers. I also haven't done weighted load balancing with this method so I can't evaluate it. The second method I've used is using a Foundry switch with a load balancer built in to it. This is nice when 1) you don't want to use a FreeBSD or OpenBSD system as a router and 2) you want it to do health checks to remove a down system from the pool automatically. It works really well, the downside being the cost. -- Michael Conlen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10 | Continued Discussion
All, I was wondering if any progress has been made in determining the cause of the poor disk I/O performance illustrated by the testing in this thread? Now that 5.3 is labeled as the production stable version, and 4.x is labeled as legacy, improving the performance of the 5.4+ distributions is clearly important. I know that everyone is working hard to do this, and wanted to help by testing(retest, etc) the disk I/O performance on 5.4 devel/final and post the results as soon as possible. I would also like others to join me in this testing effort so that we have as much feedback as possible. My hope is that we will start bridging the large disk I/O performance gap demonstrated in the 4.11 5.3 testing. - When would be best time to start this testing? - What is the preferred method for keeping in sync with the current devel branch? I'm assuming cvs-up is the best method. Thanks! --Nick Pavlica On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:52:38 + (GMT), Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Mike Tancsa wrote: I/O (reads, writes at fairly large multiples of the sector size -- 512k is a good number) and small I/O size (512 bytes is good). This will help identify the source along two dimmensions: are we looking at a basic storage I/O problem that's present even without the file system, or can we conclude that some of the additional extra cost is in the file system code or the hand off to it. Also, with the large and small I/O size, we can perhaps draw some conclusions about to what extent the source is a per-transaction overhead. Apart from postmark and iozone (directly to disk and over nfs), are there any particular tests you would like to see done ? Just to get started, using dd to read and write at various block sizes is probably a decent start. Take a few samples, make sure there's a decent sample size, etc, and don't count the first couple of runs. Robert N M Watson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ASP .NET on FreeBSD?
Could the linux compat libs be used until the port is finished? On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:37:55 -0500, Tom McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 12:21 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: SigmaX [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm fairly new to FreeBSD (Former Linux user), and I have a FreeBSD 5.3 server. Pretty soon I'm going to need ASP .NET on the server, but understand that XSP/mod_mono have some major issues with FreeBSD that need to be worked out. Are there any alternatives I can use in place of/while I'm waiting for the BSD# project to get XSP functional? I don't know anything about this subject, but a quick cd /usr/ports;make search name=xsp indicates that it's ported to FreeBSD. He means Mono's XSP webserver for ASP .NET which is different than the ports found in the www category. I have a port for XSP but a page request causes Mono to crash so it's not very usable right now. Tom -- BSD# Project - Porting Mono to FreeBSD http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?bsd-sharp ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Load Balanceing Recommendations
All, I have been searching for a load balancing tool/method for managing the traffic going to my web servers(http(s)). I have found a number of tools/methods out there, but haven't found any that stand out as the Common Solution to this task on FreeBSD (I may be overlooking the obvious :)). I'm currently testing on FreeBSD 4.11 and 5.3 on x86. - What method/tool do you use or recommend based on your production experience? Thanks for the feedback. --Nick Pavlica ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10 | Continued Discussion
The move to an MPSAFE VFS will help with that a lot, I should think. Do you know if this will find it's way to 5.x in the near future? Also, while on face value this may seem odd, could you try the following additional variables: - Layer the test UFS partition directly over ad0 instead of ad0s1a - UFS1 vs UFS2 I just tested with UFS1 and had almost the exact same results. Finally, in as much as is possible, make sure that the layout of the disks is approximately the same -- as countless benchmarking papers show, there are substantial differences (10%+) in I/O throughput depending on where on the disk surface operations occur. That's one of the reasons to try UFS1 for the test partition, although not the only one. My tests use the exact same disk layout, and hardware. However, I have had consistent results on all 4 boxes that I have tested on. At this point I'm making the assumption that the poor disk I/O performance on 5.3 isn't a file system issue, but is tied to a larger issue with the Kernel (I know never make assumptions ... :)). In all my testing, I have noticed that 5.3 doesn't appear to release cpu resources even if there isn't any other demand for resources. I would compare it to driveling a car with a governor on it. When I tested with 4.11, it allocated considerably more resources. I do hope that the 5.x issues are resolved soon so that I can deploy may production servers on it rather than starting on 4 and them making the big switch. I will probably test 6 for the fun of it. Thanks! --Nick Pavlica ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10 | Continued Discussion
All, With the recent release of 4.11 I thought that I would give it a spin and com pair my results with my previous testing. I was blown away by the performance difference between 4.11 and 5.3. Iostat showed a difference of over 30Mb/s difference between the two. In fact, it kept up or out performed fedora Core 3 with XFS in my testing. This seems to indicate that the 5.x branch may still needs allot of performance work. One of the interesting observations was that 4.11 utilized much more of the processor than 5.3. I hope that the changes in 5.4 will help close this gap considerably. Is there any specific components of the 5.3 that have been identified to cause this performance difference? Your feedback/thoughts on this are appreciated! --Nick On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:59:55 -0700, Nick Pavlica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I would like to start addressing some of the feedback that I have been given. I started this discussion because I felt that it was important to share the information I discovered in my testing. I also want to reiterate my earlier statement that this is not an X vs. X discussion, but an attempt to better understand the results, and hopefully look at ways of improving the results I had with FreeBSD 5.x. I'm also looking forward to seeing the improvements to the 5.x branch as it matures. I want to make it very clear that this is NOT A Religious/Engineering War, please don't try to turn it into one. That said, lets move on to something more productive. I installed both operating systems using as many default options as possible and updated them with all of the latest patches. I was logged in via SSH from my workstation while running the tests. I didn't have X, running on any of the installations because it wasn't need. CPU and RAM utilization wasn't an issue during any of the tests, but the disk I/O performance was dramatically different. Please keep in mind that I ran these tests over and over to see if I had consistent results. I even did the same tests on other pieces of equipment not listed in my notes that yielded the same results time and time again. Some have confirmed that they have had similar results in there testing using other testing tools and methods. This makes me wounder why the gap is so large, and how it can be improved? I think that it would be beneficial to have others in this group do similar testing and post there results. This may help those that are working on the OS itself to find trouble areas, and ways to improve them. It may also help clarify many of the response questions because you will be able to completely control the testing environment. I look forward to seeing the testing results, and any good feedback that helps identify specific tuning options, or bugs that need to be addressed. Thanks! --Nick Pavlica --Laramie, WY ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.3 file system troubles
I have been testing 5.3 (Standard Install/Default settings) and haven't had any file system corruption. However, the I/O performance results from my testing currently show that there is a major difference between 4.11 and 5.3 (4.11 is much faster!). I have a suspicion that these issues may be related to some core issues with 5.3 that need to cleared up. On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:50:02 -0700 (MST), Terry R. Friedrichsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody besides *me* having file system corruption problems with FreeBSD 5.3? I've looked around on several of the mailing lists and found no men- tion of this. I have two different platforms on which I'm trying to run FreeBSD 5.3. One is an x86 SMP system (dual AMD Athlon 1900+) and the other is an Alpha DS-10. On the SMP system, doing anything I/O intensive (like a kernel build) quickly corrupts the file system - I start to encounter problems like being unable to remove entire directory trees because the system thinks that empty directories are not *really* empty and therefore cannot be deleted. Other problems occur, too. On the Alpha system, I'm trying to get Xorg to work, with no success. What normally happens is that the system locks up *totally* either when trying to configure X or when running the X server after configure generates a config file (I'm trying multiple versions of Xorg). The lockup means that I have to power-cycle the system to reboot. When I do this, the filesystem is *always* horribly damaged. I finally gave up when I couldn't even get into sh in single-abuser mode because /libexec/ld.so.1 was no longer there ... What I'm going to try next is pulling one CPU out of the SMP system to see if that helps. On the Alpha, I'm just going to give up on Xorg for a while. I'd hate to have to drop back to 4.10 or 4.11 ... If anyone has any suggestions, or even just sympathetic words, I'd be happy to hear them! Thanks. Terry R. Friedrichsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.3 file system troubles
That same thought ran thought my mind when I was testing. I started a process that does heavy writing and literally pulled the plug during the middle of the operation. I plugged it back in and the box came back up without a hitch. I did all my testing on x86 boxes using SCSI and IDE drives. I currently don't have access to any Alpha boxes to test on them. I'm not a big fan of Alpha, but the DS10 has always been a great workhorse in my experience. Is the firmware etc up to date on that box? --Nick On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:42:47 -0700 (MST), Terry R. Friedrichsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for responding to my inquiry. If it fits into your testing program, try running something that works the file system and simply turn off the system power in the middle of it. Twice, now, doing this on my Alpha has rendered the system unrecoverable at boot time, necessitating a reinstall. Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10 | Continued Discussion
All, I would like to start addressing some of the feedback that I have been given. I started this discussion because I felt that it was important to share the information I discovered in my testing. I also want to reiterate my earlier statement that this is not an X vs. X discussion, but an attempt to better understand the results, and hopefully look at ways of improving the results I had with FreeBSD 5.x. I'm also looking forward to seeing the improvements to the 5.x branch as it matures. I want to make it very clear that this is NOT A Religious/Engineering War, please don't try to turn it into one. That said, lets move on to something more productive. I installed both operating systems using as many default options as possible and updated them with all of the latest patches. I was logged in via SSH from my workstation while running the tests. I didn't have X, running on any of the installations because it wasn't need. CPU and RAM utilization wasn't an issue during any of the tests, but the disk I/O performance was dramatically different. Please keep in mind that I ran these tests over and over to see if I had consistent results. I even did the same tests on other pieces of equipment not listed in my notes that yielded the same results time and time again. Some have confirmed that they have had similar results in there testing using other testing tools and methods. This makes me wounder why the gap is so large, and how it can be improved? I think that it would be beneficial to have others in this group do similar testing and post there results. This may help those that are working on the OS itself to find trouble areas, and ways to improve them. It may also help clarify many of the response questions because you will be able to completely control the testing environment. I look forward to seeing the testing results, and any good feedback that helps identify specific tuning options, or bugs that need to be addressed. Thanks! --Nick Pavlica --Laramie, WY ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10 | Continued Discussion
I didn't change any of the default mount options on either OS. FreeBSD: # cat /etc/fstab # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options DumpPass# /dev/ad0s1b noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s1e /tmpufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1f /usrufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1d /varufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 # mount /dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local) devfs on /dev (devfs, local) /dev/ad0s1e on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s1f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s1d on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) Linux: # cat /etc/fstab # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details LABEL=/1/ xfs defaults1 1 LABEL=/boot1/boot xfs defaults1 2 none/dev/ptsdevpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none/dev/shmtmpfs defaults0 0 none/proc procdefaults0 0 none/syssysfs defaults0 0 LABEL=SWAP-sda2 swapswapdefaults0 0 /dev/scd0 /media/cdromauto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/fd0/media/floppy auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 # mount /dev/sda3 on / type xfs (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) none on /sys type sysfs (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) /dev/sda1 on /boot type xfs (rw) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) --- --Nick On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:08:52 +0200, Petri Helenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure you aren't comparing filesystems with different mount options? Async comes to mind first. Pete Nick Pavlica wrote: All, I would like to start addressing some of the feedback that I have been given. I started this discussion because I felt that it was important to share the information I discovered in my testing. I also want to reiterate my earlier statement that this is not an X vs. X discussion, but an attempt to better understand the results, and hopefully look at ways of improving the results I had with FreeBSD 5.x. I'm also looking forward to seeing the improvements to the 5.x branch as it matures. I want to make it very clear that this is NOT A Religious/Engineering War, please don't try to turn it into one. That said, lets move on to something more productive. I installed both operating systems using as many default options as possible and updated them with all of the latest patches. I was logged in via SSH from my workstation while running the tests. I didn't have X, running on any of the installations because it wasn't need. CPU and RAM utilization wasn't an issue during any of the tests, but the disk I/O performance was dramatically different. Please keep in mind that I ran these tests over and over to see if I had consistent results. I even did the same tests on other pieces of equipment not listed in my notes that yielded the same results time and time again. Some have confirmed that they have had similar results in there testing using other testing tools and methods. This makes me wounder why the gap is so large, and how it can be improved? I think that it would be beneficial to have others in this group do similar testing and post there results. This may help those that are working on the OS itself to find trouble areas, and ways to improve them. It may also help clarify many of the response questions because you will be able to completely control the testing environment. I look forward to seeing the testing results, and any good feedback that helps identify specific tuning options, or bugs that need to be addressed. Thanks! --Nick Pavlica --Laramie, WY ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd
Re: FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10
All, This post is not about BSD VS. Linux and should not be taken that way. I think that Flame Wars/Engineer Wars are waste of time and energy. I was surprised by my test results and didn't want to take FBSD out of the loop just yet. There may be flaws in my testing that have led me to inaccurate results. I didn't share the testing details in the original mail because of time constraints, and the notes are fairly lengthy. I will add my notes to this mail so that there is a better understanding of what tests I performed, and their results. It's important to note that I did not tweak any of the default settings of the OS or DB. The notes should be generally self explanatory, but will be more that happy to clarify any questions that you have. As a side note, I chose the email address linicks because by name is Nick, and thought it was a fun play on words. I appreciate all of your feedback, so that I can better understand the differences in these great operating systems and communities. Thanks Again! --Nick Pavlica OK, The testing notes already :) --- Hardware Configs: Dell PE 2400 - Dual PIII 500Mhz - 512Mb Ram - Perc 2si controller - (2) 10k ultra160 drives in a raid 1 configuration. Dell SC400 - P4 2.4 Ghz (not hyperthreaded) - 512Mb Ram - Stock 40Gb IDE 7200RPM Postgresql Test Scripts: CREATE TABLE test1 ( thedate TIMESTAMP, astring VARCHAR(200), anumber INTEGER ); CREATE FUNCTION build_data() RETURNS integer AS ' DECLARE i INTEGER DEFAULT 0; curtime TIMESTAMP; BEGIN FOR i IN 1..100 LOOP curtime := ''now''; INSERT INTO test1 VALUES (curtime, ''test string'', i); END LOOP; RETURN 1; END; ' LANGUAGE 'plpgsql'; SELECT build_data(); Then the following script is run under the time program to ascertain how long it takes to run: CREATE TABLE test2 ( thedate TIMESTAMP, astring VARCHAR(200), anumber INTEGER ); CREATE TABLE test3 AS SELECT * FROM test1; INSERT INTO test2 SELECT * FROM test1 WHERE ((anumber % 2) = 0); DELETE FROM test3 WHERE ((anumber % 2) = 0); DELETE FROM test3 WHERE ((anumber % 13) = 0); CREATE TABLE test4 AS SELECT test1.thedate AS t1date, test2.thedate AS t2date, test1.astring AS t1string, test2.astring AS t2string, test1.anumber AS t1number, test2.anumber AS t2number FROM test1 JOIN test2 ON test1.anumber=test2.anumber; UPDATE test3 SET thedate='now' WHERE ((anumber % 5) = 0); DROP TABLE test4; CREATE TABLE test4 AS SELECT * FROM test1; DELETE FROM test4 WHERE ((anumber % 27) = 0); VACUUM ANALYZE; VACUUM FULL; DROP TABLE test4; DROP TABLE test3; DROP TABLE test2; VACUUM FULL; - sc400 freeBSD5: $ time dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=tstfile count=1M 1048576+0 records in 1048576+0 records out 1073741824 bytes transferred in 71.807645 secs (14953029 bytes/sec) 71.82real 0.68 user 8.83 sys 71.82 / 60 = 1.197 -- 517 nick.pavlica -160 1212K 588K wdrain 0:02 12.35% 5.91% dd 517 nick.pavlica -160 1212K 588K wdrain 0:13 12.48% 12.35% dd $ time dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=tstfile count=2M 2097152+0 records in 2097152+0 records out 2147483648 bytes transferred in 136.815925 secs (15696153 bytes/sec) 136.85 real 1.29 user17.49 sys 136.85 / 60 = 2.28083 -- 542 nick.pavlica -160 1212K 588K wdrain 0:19 13.35% 13.33% dd 542 nick.pavlica -160 1212K 588K wdrain 0:24 12.99% 12.99% dd $ time dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=tstfile count=3M 3145728+0 records in 3145728+0 records out 3221225472 bytes transferred in 205.722425 secs (15658115 bytes/sec) 205.72 real 1.82 user27.39 sys 205.72 / 60 = 3.42867 copy test: 558 nick.pavlica -40 1272K 680K getblk 0:01 2.30% 1.32% cp 558 nick.pavlica -40 1272K 680K getblk 0:02 1.80% 1.71% cp 558 nick.pavlica -40 1272K 680K getblk 0:03 1.87% 1.86% cp $ time cp tstfile tstfile2 579.31 real 0.03 user14.61 sys 579.31 / 60 = 9.65517 (FreeBSD 5.3+ on SC400) b test 1: 535 nick.pavlica -40 2380K 1216K getblk 0:17 2.84% 2.83% bonnie++ 568 nick.pavlica 1050 2380K 1196K RUN 0:09 92.99% 36.62% bonnie++ 568 nick.pavlica -160 2380K 1192K wdrain 0:14 12.35% 11.23% bonnie++ $ bonnie++ -s 1024 -r 512 -n 5 Writing a byte at a time...done Writing intelligently...done Rewriting...done Reading a byte at a time...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...done...done...done...done...done... Create files in sequential order...done. Stat files in sequential order...done. Delete files in sequential order...done. Create files in random order...done. Stat files
FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10 | More Info
I apologize if this has been posted twice. All, This post is not about BSD VS. Linux and should not be taken that way. I think that Flame Wars/Engineer Wars are waste of time and energy. I was surprised by my test results and didn't want to take FBSD out of the loop just yet. There may be flaws in my testing that have led me to inaccurate results. I didn't share the testing details in the original mail because of time constraints, and the notes are fairly lengthy. I will add my notes to this mail so that there is a better understanding of what tests I performed, and their results. It's important to note that I did not tweak any of the default settings of the OS or DB. The notes should be generally self explanatory, but will be more that happy to clarify any questions that you have. As a side note, I chose the email address linicks because by name is Nick, and thought it was a fun play on words. I appreciate all of your feedback, so that I can better understand the differences in these great operating systems and communities. Thanks Again! --Nick Pavlica OK, The testing notes already :) --- Hardware Configs: Dell PE 2400 - Dual PIII 500Mhz - 512Mb Ram - Perc 2si controller - (2) 10k ultra160 drives in a raid 1 configuration. Dell SC400 - P4 2.4 Ghz (not hyperthreaded) - 512Mb Ram - Stock 40Gb IDE 7200RPM Postgresql Test Scripts: CREATE TABLE test1 ( thedate TIMESTAMP, astring VARCHAR(200), anumber INTEGER ); CREATE FUNCTION build_data() RETURNS integer AS ' DECLARE i INTEGER DEFAULT 0; curtime TIMESTAMP; BEGIN FOR i IN 1..100 LOOP curtime := ''now''; INSERT INTO test1 VALUES (curtime, ''test string'', i); END LOOP; RETURN 1; END; ' LANGUAGE 'plpgsql'; SELECT build_data(); Then the following script is run under the time program to ascertain how long it takes to run: CREATE TABLE test2 ( thedate TIMESTAMP, astring VARCHAR(200), anumber INTEGER ); CREATE TABLE test3 AS SELECT * FROM test1; INSERT INTO test2 SELECT * FROM test1 WHERE ((anumber % 2) = 0); DELETE FROM test3 WHERE ((anumber % 2) = 0); DELETE FROM test3 WHERE ((anumber % 13) = 0); CREATE TABLE test4 AS SELECT test1.thedate AS t1date, test2.thedate AS t2date, test1.astring AS t1string, test2.astring AS t2string, test1.anumber AS t1number, test2.anumber AS t2number FROM test1 JOIN test2 ON test1.anumber=test2.anumber; UPDATE test3 SET thedate='now' WHERE ((anumber % 5) = 0); DROP TABLE test4; CREATE TABLE test4 AS SELECT * FROM test1; DELETE FROM test4 WHERE ((anumber % 27) = 0); VACUUM ANALYZE; VACUUM FULL; DROP TABLE test4; DROP TABLE test3; DROP TABLE test2; VACUUM FULL; - sc400 freeBSD5: $ time dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=tstfile count=1M 1048576+0 records in 1048576+0 records out 1073741824 bytes transferred in 71.807645 secs (14953029 bytes/sec) 71.82real 0.68 user 8.83 sys 71.82 / 60 = 1.197 -- 517 nick.pavlica -160 1212K 588K wdrain 0:02 12.35% 5.91% dd 517 nick.pavlica -160 1212K 588K wdrain 0:13 12.48% 12.35% dd $ time dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=tstfile count=2M 2097152+0 records in 2097152+0 records out 2147483648 bytes transferred in 136.815925 secs (15696153 bytes/sec) 136.85 real 1.29 user17.49 sys 136.85 / 60 = 2.28083 -- 542 nick.pavlica -160 1212K 588K wdrain 0:19 13.35% 13.33% dd 542 nick.pavlica -160 1212K 588K wdrain 0:24 12.99% 12.99% dd $ time dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=tstfile count=3M 3145728+0 records in 3145728+0 records out 3221225472 bytes transferred in 205.722425 secs (15658115 bytes/sec) 205.72 real 1.82 user27.39 sys 205.72 / 60 = 3.42867 copy test: 558 nick.pavlica -40 1272K 680K getblk 0:01 2.30% 1.32% cp 558 nick.pavlica -40 1272K 680K getblk 0:02 1.80% 1.71% cp 558 nick.pavlica -40 1272K 680K getblk 0:03 1.87% 1.86% cp $ time cp tstfile tstfile2 579.31 real 0.03 user14.61 sys 579.31 / 60 = 9.65517 (FreeBSD 5.3+ on SC400) b test 1: 535 nick.pavlica -40 2380K 1216K getblk 0:17 2.84% 2.83% bonnie++ 568 nick.pavlica 1050 2380K 1196K RUN 0:09 92.99% 36.62% bonnie++ 568 nick.pavlica -160 2380K 1192K wdrain 0:14 12.35% 11.23% bonnie++ $ bonnie++ -s 1024 -r 512 -n 5 Writing a byte at a time...done Writing intelligently...done Rewriting...done Reading a byte at a time...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...done...done...done...done...done... Create files in sequential order...done. Stat files in sequential order...done. Delete files in sequential order...done. Create files in random order
A Test Message Please Disreguard
All, Sorry for this post, but I have submitted a couple of posts and they haven't appeared on the list. I just want to make sure that things are working. --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10
All, I have been evaluating operating systems/filesystems for an upcoming web application service. Like most web applications, it will rely heavily on the database and disk I/O. We have decided to use Postgresql for our database needs, but haven't finalized our OS choice. I have been testing the I/O performance of FreeBSD 5.3 and Fedora C3(XFS,EXT3). To be sure that I was using up to date versions of each OS I performed a cvsup and rebuilt the kernel (GENERIC) during the FBSD setup, and a yum update on the Linux install. Being fairly new to FreeBSD I was testing it as a matter of due diligence, however after using it for a few days it really started to grow on me. I was generally impressed with my overall experiance. However, after performing a number of I/O and Postgresql tests on different equipment, the performance proved to be considerably faster when using Fedora. Fedora with XFS was the clear performance winner in every test, followed by Fedora with EXT3, then FreeBSD. I was surprised to find such a dramatic difference between Fedora with XFS and FreeBSD. In almost every test Fedora(XFS) was dramatically faster performing the exact same operations on the same hardware. My best guess, is that FreeBSD 5.3 + updates is still in need of some performance tuning. Are there any good reasons for such a difference. Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanks! --Nick Pavlica ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
