Re: Reconditioned Laptop advice
Predrag Punosevac writes: ThinkPads are the highest quality machines. I honestly thing that there is nothing on the market which matches their quality including Apple laptops. /Caveat emptor/. I'm hearing reports from those who deal with laptops much more that I do that quality has dropped substantially since Lenovo took over. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reconditioned Laptop advice
Robert Huff wrote: Predrag Punosevac writes: ThinkPads are the highest quality machines. I honestly thing that there is nothing on the market which matches their quality including Apple laptops. /Caveat emptor/. I'm hearing reports from those who deal with laptops much more that I do that quality has dropped substantially since Lenovo took over. I am on my second Thinkpad/Lenovo, first a G40, now a R61i. I only replaced my G40 because it wouldn't hold enough ram to run VMWare player. I do not think the quality has suffered at all. I cannot say it runs FreeBSD well, though any FreeBSD live CD ran without error and everything functioned on the G40. I run FreeBSD in VMWare on the R61i. Fantastic keyboards, long battery life, great screens. They hold up very well as I am hard on equipment. These things are tanks. DAve -- In 50 years, our descendants will look back on the early years of the internet, and much like we now look back on men with rockets on their back and feathers glued to their arms, marvel that we had the intelligence to wipe the drool from our chins. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 03:48:06PM -0400, Mike Jeays wrote: On March 27, 2008 03:09:42 pm mdh wrote: --- David Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny wrote: In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to take the FreeBSD CD to the brick-and-mortar store... Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a commercially supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take all the fun out of it? While I like Mac products and OSX is pretty cool, I still find their laptops a bit pricey. By the by, has anyone tried FreeBSD on one of those little Asus EEEpc sublaptops? A real, tiny, i386 laptop for $300 (plus maybe a bit more for an additional SD card to bump the storage some) seems like a truly awesome deal. I bought an Eee PC, but haven't tried any other software on it yet. I can confirm that the hardware is a bargain, and I used it 'as is' while travelling for ten days, and it connected 'out of the box' to the wireless service provided in each hotel. A mouse is a great help, although the built-in pad is quite usable. I had no trouble with the tiny keyboard, except for needing the light on to read the keys. What!! You're not a touch typist??!! A couple of others to look at: By HP:http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/hps-umpc-2133-revealed/ By KJS: http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=130 By Dell: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_xt?c=uscs=04l=ens=bsd~tab=bundlestabdgc=STcid=27096lid=615901O By IBM: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/landing_pages/thinkpad/2008/X300?cid=us|semd|ggl|us_portable_en|t9C4|cs_kwcid=ContentNetwork|1073231341 I tried out a Kohjinsha in Japan and found that its small keyboard was pretty easy to use as well (I suppose some would have trouble with its size, but I found it fairly comfortable after a few minutes of getting used to it). It looks about the same physical size as the EeePC. It is a bit more expensive that the Eee, but it has 80GB/120 GB disk and some more other good features. The display can be turned around and used like a tablet and there are models with touch screen. I was impressed with the display too. Even though it was a 7 inch and not exceptionally high resolution, it was sharp and very readable. There is some company that is marketing a version of it with English language WinXP. I don't know if they put an English language BIOS in it. But, I find that machine very interesting. It would fit in my jacket pocket - my major size qualifier. Some comments and pictures: http://technorati.com/photos/tag/kohjinsha Japanese website:http://kohjinsha.com/models/sa/lineupsa.html Of course, Dell and IBM models are more featured, but are much larger and much more expensive. The HP model is yet to be seen, but looks interesting. jerry They are a really great innovation, IMHO. I am really pleased with mine. The wireless card may be the problem with FreeBSD. -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reconditioned Laptop advice
Robert Huff wrote: Predrag Punosevac writes: ThinkPads are the highest quality machines. I honestly thing that there is nothing on the market which matches their quality including Apple laptops. /Caveat emptor/. I'm hearing reports from those who deal with laptops much more that I do that quality has dropped substantially since Lenovo took over. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] T23, T30, T40, T43 were made by IBM. Best, Predrag ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reconditioned Laptop advice
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of dhaneshk k Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:50 PM To: Wojciech Puchar; Predrag Punosevac Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Reconditioned Laptop advice People : I want to bu a laptop , for the time being I can't go for a high end machine like hp8510b or like those But I found in internet , about IBM Thinkpad T40 Reconditioned : So I want people's valuable advice on Reconditioned machine ;is it safe to have this machine , I want to use FreeBSD on this machine , what about the reliability of Reconditioned machines ?: your advices may help me to take a good decision on my purchase. Do yourself a favor and as soon as you obtain your laptop, go out and buy a brand new hard disk drive for it. Not only will you get a disk that is faster and larger, it will be much more reliable than a ratty old hard drive that's probably been bumped and jostled around a lot. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
On Monday 24 March 2008 06:04:17 am Jason P. Thomas wrote: Joe Demeny wrote: I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430 Does anyone have experience with these? Any suggestions for other comparable choices? From personal experience, getting a laptop to work under FreeBSD (or even Linux) is a hair pulling experience. It took me about six months of tinkering off and on to get a Broadcom(yuck!) wifi adapter to work in my HP laptop last year. In the interim, I found a work around that was about $30. I purchased a usb wifi adapter that used the rum driver. At the time, I had to run -current to get that particular driver, but I never had a problem with the computer or the adapter under -current. The most headaches I've gotten with laptops have always involved the wifi cards. Consequently, every laptop I've installed FreeBSD and Linux on had a Broadcom(yuck!) wifi chipset. Everything else has been well supported, graphics, sound, power management, pointing devices, and usb devices. I even managed to use FreeBSD to connect to the robots I had to use in one of my master's classes last year. That was pleasantly surprising. --Jay Thank you all for your advice. I am familiar with the Hardware Notes. The problem is that from the specs it's hard to tell what is in the computer. The Gateway web site lists this under the specs: Integrated Realtek 802.11b/g Wireless Networking for Wireless Network; same for the Toshiba. This is why I wondered if anyone has one of these laptops... In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to take the FreeBSD CD to the brick-and-mortar store... -- Joe Demeny ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny wrote: In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to take the FreeBSD CD to the brick-and-mortar store... Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a commercially supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take all the fun out of it? -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
--- David Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny wrote: In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to take the FreeBSD CD to the brick-and-mortar store... Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a commercially supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take all the fun out of it? While I like Mac products and OSX is pretty cool, I still find their laptops a bit pricey. By the by, has anyone tried FreeBSD on one of those little Asus EEEpc sublaptops? A real, tiny, i386 laptop for $300 (plus maybe a bit more for an additional SD card to bump the storage some) seems like a truly awesome deal. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
On March 27, 2008 03:09:42 pm mdh wrote: --- David Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny wrote: In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to take the FreeBSD CD to the brick-and-mortar store... Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a commercially supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take all the fun out of it? While I like Mac products and OSX is pretty cool, I still find their laptops a bit pricey. By the by, has anyone tried FreeBSD on one of those little Asus EEEpc sublaptops? A real, tiny, i386 laptop for $300 (plus maybe a bit more for an additional SD card to bump the storage some) seems like a truly awesome deal. ___ _ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bought an Eee PC, but haven't tried any other software on it yet. I can confirm that the hardware is a bargain, and I used it 'as is' while travelling for ten days, and it connected 'out of the box' to the wireless service provided in each hotel. A mouse is a great help, although the built-in pad is quite usable. I had no trouble with the tiny keyboard, except for needing the light on to read the keys. They are a really great innovation, IMHO. I am really pleased with mine. The wireless card may be the problem with FreeBSD. -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
Mike Jeays wrote: On March 27, 2008 03:09:42 pm mdh wrote: --- David Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny wrote: In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to take the FreeBSD CD to the brick-and-mortar store... Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a commercially supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take all the fun out of it? I would get ThinkPad T30 or T23 from Ebay. They will work just fine with FreeBSD. They go for $190-250. Cheers, Predrag While I like Mac products and OSX is pretty cool, I still find their laptops a bit pricey. By the by, has anyone tried FreeBSD on one of those little Asus EEEpc sublaptops? A real, tiny, i386 laptop for $300 (plus maybe a bit more for an additional SD card to bump the storage some) seems like a truly awesome deal. ___ _ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bought an Eee PC, but haven't tried any other software on it yet. I can confirm that the hardware is a bargain, and I used it 'as is' while travelling for ten days, and it connected 'out of the box' to the wireless service provided in each hotel. A mouse is a great help, although the built-in pad is quite usable. I had no trouble with the tiny keyboard, except for needing the light on to read the keys. They are a really great innovation, IMHO. I am really pleased with mine. The wireless card may be the problem with FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
I would get ThinkPad T30 or T23 from Ebay. They will work just fine with FreeBSD. They go for $190-250. my T23 works fine. all devices, no problems, any OS including FreeBSD of course ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Laptop advice
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred C Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:48 PM To: Derek Ragona Cc: Joe Demeny; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop advice On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Derek Ragona wrote: At 04:56 AM 3/21/2008, Joe Demeny wrote: I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430 Does anyone have experience with these? Any suggestions for other comparable choices? I would choose the Toshiba, much better quality and support. You may want to look at Lenovo's too. In a laptop I would look at the graphics if you plan to run X. In laptops you want to look at everything. If one of the chipset is not supported or badly you cannot like on a desktop change a component by an another. You want to go here http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/hardware.html and search if every component of you laptop is supported. Unfortunately, it is quite common for laptop vendors to write specs that use different names than industry standard for the components, so it is difficult to figure this out in advance. What you want to do is get yourself a FreeBSD boot CD then go visit a computer vendor that has display models. Do not order a laptop online. Visit a brick and mortar vendor, and try booting fbsd on each of the display models. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
El día Monday, March 24, 2008 a las 12:29:16AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt escribió: Unfortunately, it is quite common for laptop vendors to write specs that use different names than industry standard for the components, so it is difficult to figure this out in advance. What you want to do is get yourself a FreeBSD boot CD then go visit a computer vendor that has display models. Do not order a laptop online. Visit a brick and mortar vendor, and try booting fbsd on each of the display models. A good way is also to let it boot a Knoppix boot CD / DVD which is able to detect nearly all hardware used to assemble the laptop. Then take the /var/log/messages output of this and check it against the FreeBSD hardware notes. matthias (running FreeBSD 7.0-R on laptop :-)) -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ Don't top-post, read RFC1855 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
Joe Demeny wrote: I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430 Does anyone have experience with these? Any suggestions for other comparable choices? From personal experience, getting a laptop to work under FreeBSD (or even Linux) is a hair pulling experience. It took me about six months of tinkering off and on to get a Broadcom(yuck!) wifi adapter to work in my HP laptop last year. In the interim, I found a work around that was about $30. I purchased a usb wifi adapter that used the rum driver. At the time, I had to run -current to get that particular driver, but I never had a problem with the computer or the adapter under -current. The most headaches I've gotten with laptops have always involved the wifi cards. Consequently, every laptop I've installed FreeBSD and Linux on had a Broadcom(yuck!) wifi chipset. Everything else has been well supported, graphics, sound, power management, pointing devices, and usb devices. I even managed to use FreeBSD to connect to the robots I had to use in one of my master's classes last year. That was pleasantly surprising. --Jay ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
Id go an ASUS low end or Lenovo, I actually have never had an issue with FreeBSD on an ASUS, except for built in web cam support, dells are nice but ive experienced issues with three of them under BSD so ive been avoiding them. I do have an ASUS W5A and a IBM Z60M Lenovo Thinkpad, both run linux and BSD fine. On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Matthias Apitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El día Monday, March 24, 2008 a las 12:29:16AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt escribió: Unfortunately, it is quite common for laptop vendors to write specs that use different names than industry standard for the components, so it is difficult to figure this out in advance. What you want to do is get yourself a FreeBSD boot CD then go visit a computer vendor that has display models. Do not order a laptop online. Visit a brick and mortar vendor, and try booting fbsd on each of the display models. A good way is also to let it boot a Knoppix boot CD / DVD which is able to detect nearly all hardware used to assemble the laptop. Then take the /var/log/messages output of this and check it against the FreeBSD hardware notes. matthias (running FreeBSD 7.0-R on laptop :-)) -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ Don't top-post, read RFC1855 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Very bad performance when using battery on my laptop with FB7
Dear all, I have a Compaq laptop running FB7 stable. When I use battery, the system becomes very slow, there are even lag of the cursor. The load average would be 1 - 2, while the idle CPU is 99.0%. It would not change even I plug the ac power later. But if I reboot the machine whit ac power, everything would be OK. Any idea appreciated for what should I do to solve this ... Best wishes, Kemian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very bad performance when using battery on my laptop with FB7
Hi just a shoot into the dark, but did you set debug.cpufreq.lowest=1000 in /etc/sysctl.conf? 1000 MHz is the lowest (usable) frequency of my laptop. Cheers, Olier Kemian Dang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I have a Compaq laptop running FB7 stable. When I use battery, the system becomes very slow, there are even lag of the cursor. The load average would be 1 - 2, while the idle CPU is 99.0%. It would not change even I plug the ac power later. But if I reboot the machine whit ac power, everything would be OK. Any idea appreciated for what should I do to solve this ... Best wishes, Kemian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From the Pro 350 Pocket Service Guide, p. 49, Step 5 of the instructions on removing an I/O board from the card cage, comes a new experience in sound: 5. Turn the handle to the right 90 degrees. The pin-spreading sound is normal for this type of connector. pgpmfsW2XQHGQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Very bad performance when using battery on my laptop with FB7
Thanks for reply, but this does not work, it is still slow. I get some output from sysctl: %sysctl -a |grep freq kern.acct_chkfreq: 15 kern.timecounter.tc.i8254.frequency: 1193182 kern.timecounter.tc.ACPI-safe.frequency: 3579545 kern.timecounter.tc.HPET.frequency: 2500 kern.timecounter.tc.TSC.frequency: 1808243242 net.inet.sctp.sack_freq: 2 debug.cpufreq.verbose: 0 debug.cpufreq.lowest: 1000 machdep.tsc_freq: 1808243242 machdep.i8254_freq: 1193182 machdep.acpi_timer_freq: 3579545 dev.cpu.0.freq: 1800 dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1800/35000 1600/28347 1400/24803 1200/21260 1000/17716 dev.powernow.0.freq_settings: 1800/35000 1600/28347 800/8227 dev.powernow.1.freq_settings: 1800/35000 1600/28347 800/8227 dev.cpufreq.0.%driver: cpufreq dev.cpufreq.0.%parent: cpu0 dev.cpufreq.1.%driver: cpufreq dev.cpufreq.1.%parent: cpu1 dev.acpi_throttle.0.freq_settings: 1/-1 8750/-1 7500/-1 6250/-1 5000/-1 3750/-1 2500/-1 1250/-1 Any ideas, thanks. Best wishes, Kemian On 23/03/2008, Oliver Herold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi just a shoot into the dark, but did you set debug.cpufreq.lowest=1000 in /etc/sysctl.conf? 1000 MHz is the lowest (usable) frequency of my laptop. Cheers, Olier Kemian Dang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I have a Compaq laptop running FB7 stable. When I use battery, the system becomes very slow, there are even lag of the cursor. The load average would be 1 - 2, while the idle CPU is 99.0%. It would not change even I plug the ac power later. But if I reboot the machine whit ac power, everything would be OK. Any idea appreciated for what should I do to solve this ... Best wishes, Kemian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From the Pro 350 Pocket Service Guide, p. 49, Step 5 of the instructions on removing an I/O board from the card cage, comes a new experience in sound: 5. Turn the handle to the right 90 degrees. The pin-spreading sound is normal for this type of connector. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Derek Ragona wrote: At 04:56 AM 3/21/2008, Joe Demeny wrote: I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430 Does anyone have experience with these? Any suggestions for other comparable choices? I would choose the Toshiba, much better quality and support. You may want to look at Lenovo's too. In a laptop I would look at the graphics if you plan to run X. In laptops you want to look at everything. If one of the chipset is not supported or badly you cannot like on a desktop change a component by an another. You want to go here http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/hardware.html and search if every component of you laptop is supported. -fred- -- Fred C! PGP-KeyID: E7EA02EC3B487EE9 PGP-FingerPrint: A906101E2CCDBB18D7BD09AEE7EA02EC3B487EE9 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does ATT laptop connect card work with FreeBSD 7.0?
I'm considering using an ATT laptop connect card, but I don't know if it's supported by FreeBSD. Is anyone using this? Does anyone know how it compares speed-wise with cable broadband, such as InsightBB? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Laptop advice
I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430 Does anyone have experience with these? Any suggestions for other comparable choices? -- Joe Demeny ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
start/stop network services on a Laptop
Hello, First, my question: Is there a standard way to boot without network services and then to start them all later ? Second, the situation: I've got a laptop running FreeBSD 7 fine. By default it boots without enabling network interface, later I manually run /etc/rc.d/netif start ath0 and /etc/rc.d/routing start if needed. I've got this lines in /etc/rc.conf: # network_interfaces=lo0 ifconfig_ath0=inet 192.168.X.Y netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid thessid # sshd_enable=YES ntpdate_enable=YES ntpdate_flags=-4 -b ntpdate_hosts=ntpd-server There's two problems with this configuration: - At boot time ntpdate try to contact the ntpd-server but naturaly it fails (no network). - sshd always runs even if there's no network. So must I re-invent the wheel or is there a better way to do it. Thanks in advance for any help. Michel. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Joe Demeny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123 Read the user comments carefully. For this laptop, you'll find, for example: --- Cons: RTL8187B wireless chipset. If you want to use a wireless connection under Linux this will give you problems. Tried several distros with no success. Was finally able to get it to work *intermittently* with Windows 98 drivers under Ndiswrapper - XP drivers would not work. --- If you plan on using wireless lan, you'll need to read the fine print very carefully to determine whether there is BSD support for the given chipset. -- Colin Brace Amsterdam http://lim.nl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop advice
At 04:56 AM 3/21/2008, Joe Demeny wrote: I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430 Does anyone have experience with these? Any suggestions for other comparable choices? I would choose the Toshiba, much better quality and support. You may want to look at Lenovo's too. In a laptop I would look at the graphics if you plan to run X. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
unattaching the power cable cause laptop could not shutdown
Hi, there. I am running FB7-rc1 on a HP/Compaq laptop. I find if I unplug the power cable and let it use the battery, it will become slow, and recover when plug in the power cable. But when I shutdown the computer, it will halt on the first stage and can not be shutdown. I think it maybe the ACPI problem, but if I disable the ACPI, the box can not be boot. Any suggestion is welcomed. Kemian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unattaching the power cable cause laptop could not shutdown
On Saturday 02 February 2008 23:51:01 Kemian Dang wrote: I am running FB7-rc1 on a HP/Compaq laptop. I find if I unplug the power cable and let it use the battery, it will become slow, and recover when plug in the power cable. That's a feature, not a bug. The cpu frequency scales, see cpufreq(4) for more information. But when I shutdown the computer, it will halt on the first stage and can not be shutdown. How do you shutdown? If shutdown -p NOW doesn't work, try shutdown -h NOW and press the power button. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unattaching the power cable cause laptop could not shutdown
I have tried shutdown -p now in terminal or click shutdown in GDM. Both of them have the problem, it freezes and I do not know what it is doing. I think maybe it's the acpi module halts when doing shutdown somewhere. Anyway, thanks for suggestion, I will try this next time I close my computer. Kemian On 02/02/2008, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 02 February 2008 23:51:01 Kemian Dang wrote: I am running FB7-rc1 on a HP/Compaq laptop. I find if I unplug the power cable and let it use the battery, it will become slow, and recover when plug in the power cable. That's a feature, not a bug. The cpu frequency scales, see cpufreq(4) for more information. But when I shutdown the computer, it will halt on the first stage and can not be shutdown. How do you shutdown? If shutdown -p NOW doesn't work, try shutdown -h NOW and press the power button. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Two minute pause at acpi.ko message on old HP laptop with 7.0-RC1
I have an old zv5445us HP Pavillion laptop, essentially the zv5000 model, which pauses at the /boot/kernel/acpi.ko message during boot. It hangs there, with a non-spinning ASCII character, for about 2 minutes - then it boots. I tried entering the following commands in to the loader.conf to no avail: set hint.atkbd.0.disabled=1 set hint.acpi.0.disabled=1 I'm currently using FreeBSD 7.0-RC1, but it has the same behavior with FreeBSD 6.3-RC2. The machine seems to work okay after that, though I am having other problems with the screen going blank when I try to configure X. For now, I was just trying to eliminate the 2 minute pause on acpi.ko. Any suggestions? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Customized FreeBSD CD (was: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?)
Hi, I am trying to install Free BSD on my Laptop, The boot disk is not detecting my HDD, i am using FUJITSU HDD 80GB, Y? Some junk text is moving from bottom to top, Manikandan Balachandran JPMC IB TO - Jupiter STS Tel: +44 1202-325271 Cell: +44 7891649680 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- JPMorgan Chase, 18 Christchurch Road Floor 1, Bournemouth, BH1 3BA , UK Manolis Kiagias [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/12/2007 02:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject:Re: Customized FreeBSD CD (was: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop withdual boot?) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Thanks for your immediate response Yes, I spend two days and found out there are lot of tips in your documentation thanks? After compiling the Free BSD Kernel and making some changes on my system then how do I make the installable CD/DVD from my source (My Free BSD) to distribute to others? One more question: Can I use ZFS on Free BSD? Cheers, B.Manikandan Bournemouth, UK Please do not top post. There are couple of ways to create a custom FreeBSD CD and you will find them by simply googling. I have not tried any, but this one looks promising: http://livecd.sourceforge.net/documentos.php It is available in the ports collection too: /usr/ports/sysutils/livecd ZFS will be available on FreeBSD 7. - This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Customized FreeBSD CD (was: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?)
Thank you Manikandan Balachandran JPMC IB TO - Jupiter STS Tel: +44 1202-325271 Cell: +44 7891649680 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- JPMorgan Chase, 18 Christchurch Road Floor 1, Bournemouth, BH1 3BA , UK Manolis Kiagias [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/12/2007 02:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject:Re: Customized FreeBSD CD (was: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop withdual boot?) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Thanks for your immediate response Yes, I spend two days and found out there are lot of tips in your documentation thanks? After compiling the Free BSD Kernel and making some changes on my system then how do I make the installable CD/DVD from my source (My Free BSD) to distribute to others? One more question: Can I use ZFS on Free BSD? Cheers, B.Manikandan Bournemouth, UK Please do not top post. There are couple of ways to create a custom FreeBSD CD and you will find them by simply googling. I have not tried any, but this one looks promising: http://livecd.sourceforge.net/documentos.php It is available in the ports collection too: /usr/ports/sysutils/livecd ZFS will be available on FreeBSD 7. - This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Customized FreeBSD CD (was: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Thanks for your immediate response Yes, I spend two days and found out there are lot of tips in your documentation thanks… After compiling the Free BSD Kernel and making some changes on my system then how do I make the installable CD/DVD from my source (My Free BSD) to distribute to others… One more question: Can I use ZFS on Free BSD? Cheers, B.Manikandan Bournemouth, UK Please do not top post. There are couple of ways to create a custom FreeBSD CD and you will find them by simply googling. I have not tried any, but this one looks promising: http://livecd.sourceforge.net/documentos.php It is available in the ports collection too: /usr/ports/sysutils/livecd ZFS will be available on FreeBSD 7. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
Hi, Thanks for your immediate response Yes, I spend two days and found out there are lot of tips in your documentation thanks? After compiling the Free BSD Kernel and making some changes on my system then how do I make the installable CD/DVD from my source (My Free BSD) to distribute to others? One more question: Can I use ZFS on Free BSD? Cheers, B.Manikandan Bournemouth, UK Manolis Kiagias [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/12/2007 07:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject:Re: Fw: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We would like to tune FreeBSD according to our business needs. Please forward some documents for how to compile the Free BSD kernel and how we can deploy our compiled version of Free BSD into a new machine. Please help me ASAP Cheers, B.Manikandan UK Before actually tuning FreeBSD (or any other OS for that matter) to your business needs (which we don't know...) you should take more time to familiarize yourself with the system, perform test installs and so on. Also don't forget to read the documentation. FreeBSD has an excellent documentation set, comprising of FAQ, articles and an excellent handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The handbook will answer most of your questions. Many others you will be able to answer yourself by experimenting and gaining experience. You will only get useful answers from the list if your questions are quite specific and you have done your homework beforehand. - This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
Hi, We would like to tune FreeBSD according to our business needs. Please forward some documents for how to compile the Free BSD kernel and how we can deploy our compiled version of Free BSD into a new machine. Please help me ASAP Cheers, B.Manikandan UK Manolis Kiagias [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/2007 08:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject:Re: Fw: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition to the bellow mail, I giving processor details AMD Turion? 64 Mobile Technology SNIP Hi, Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot (Windows Vista + Free BSD), my system configuration details are as follows HP Compaq Presario V3000z RAM - 1.5 GB DDR II 533MHz NVIDIA Graphics Card 6150 NVIDIA Chipset motherboard 80GB Fujitsu HDD Thanks in advance Cheers B.Manikandan UK Processor should pose no problem. Additionally, I find nvidia chipsets to be widely compatible with FreeBSD. You don't mention devices like wireless and ethernet, if you do know the models, you may be able to find if they are supported in the release notes / hardware compatibility of FreeBSD. The graphics card will be no problem with either the nv open source driver or the proprietary Nvidia from ports (or from nvidia directly). About your questions on dual boot, since I have a notebook dual booting (actually triple booting) Vista, FreeBSD and Linux I can give you some hand on information: - The info you have been given about Partition Magic, GParted and PartedMagic should work fine. You could use any of these tools to shrink your Windows Vista partition. Make sure Vista boots after this operation. The new MS loader seems to break rather easily. In the event it does not boot you will need a Vista DVD to boot and select to repair. This sounds more frightening than it really is, it does not happen often and the repair works (automatically). - When installing FreeBSD, when asked about the boot manager select NOT to install it. Do NOT let it touch the MBR. Vista uses a different loader from XP and it will probably fail to boot afterwards. - When installation is finished, you will not be able to boot into FreeBSD, but fear not. Boot into Vista and install the free EasyBCD program: http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 With this, you can add the choice for FreeBSD to your Vista bootloader (a new system called BCD) . It is trivially easy to setup and works extremely well. Hope this helps. Manolis - This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We would like to tune FreeBSD according to our business needs. Please forward some documents for how to compile the Free BSD kernel and how we can deploy our compiled version of Free BSD into a new machine. Please help me ASAP Cheers, B.Manikandan UK Before actually tuning FreeBSD (or any other OS for that matter) to your business needs (which we don't know...) you should take more time to familiarize yourself with the system, perform test installs and so on. Also don't forget to read the documentation. FreeBSD has an excellent documentation set, comprising of FAQ, articles and an excellent handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The handbook will answer most of your questions. Many others you will be able to answer yourself by experimenting and gaining experience. You will only get useful answers from the list if your questions are quite specific and you have done your homework beforehand. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 06:32:11PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We would like to tune FreeBSD according to our business needs. Please forward some documents for how to compile the Free BSD kernel and how we can deploy our compiled version of Free BSD into a new machine. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and figure you just haven't learned yet how to effectively find documentation. These are some documents that may be of use to you for tuning FreeBSD. Kernel config: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html System configuration files: man 8 config General performance tuning: man 7 tuning Security tuning: man 7 security Security tuning for the X Window System: man 7 Xsecurity Searching for FreeBSD docs on the web: Go to Google and add freebsd handbook to your search string, with quotes. If that doesn't work, try freebsd (without quotes) instead. Searching for information in manpages: Use either the apropos or man -k command, with a search term as an argument. For instance, apropos tuning or man -k tuning would have led to the tuning(7) manpage. When you find a manpage that is in the same general topic area, but you still want more information, check the SEE ALSO section of the manpage. The FILES section is sometimes useful for finding more information, too -- and sometimes, the listed files have their own manpages. Learning to research your own answers is a good idea for a whole lot of reasons. FreeBSD is one of the most well-documented OSes I've ever seen, so perhaps your tendency to ask questions without bothering to try looking up the information in standard documentation first is based on experience with other, less well-documented OSes. Once you become more familiar with the quality and extensiveness of FreeBSD documentation, you will surely find that some simple research is faster for most tasks than any user community mailing list or telephone support line could ever be. Hope that helps. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] John Kenneth Galbraith: If all else fails, immortality can always be assured through spectacular error. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
thank you Manikandan Balachandran JPMC IB TO - Jupiter STS Tel: +44 1202-325271 Cell: +44 7891649680 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- JPMorgan Chase, 18 Christchurch Road Floor 1, Bournemouth, BH1 3BA , UK Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/2007 09:59 PM To: Chess Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject:Re: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot? On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 02:26:07PM -0500, Chess Griffin wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: Hi, Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot (Windows Vista + Free BSD), my system configuration details are as follows Probably. You will have to divide your hard disk. I have successfully been doing that will Partition Magic (7.0) but recently got V 8.0 and found it to be completely inadequate - the CD wouldn't boot correctly it seems to have errors in the scripts and it would not talk to my USB drive which I wanted to divide up - the reason for going to 8.0. So, I am not sure which utility to recommend for dividing the disk. If it is FAT, then a couple of free utilities come with FreeBSD that might work (I haven't tried them), but if it is NTFS, then they will not work and you will need to get something else. Partition Magic 7.0 will work fine, but I don't know where you would get a copy nowdays. There is another utility out there called 'Partition Commander' I haven't used it, but might, after I get my PM 8.0 mess cleared up. There are also some good Linux-based Live CD's that are essentiall Partition Magic clones, one is GParted Live CD and the other is Parted Magic. They are very small iso's that pretty much just have a small window manager and some sort of disk partitioning tool like parted. I have used them to partition disks with great success. I knew there were some others out there now, but haven't had time to go looking. The free ones that come with FreeBSD are OK too except they don't work with NTFS type slices and that is what you get with most new machines nowdays. If you want to keep that NTFS system, then you have to get a utility that will work with it. Thanks for the pointers, jerry Good luck! Chess -- Chess Griffin GPG Key: 0x0C7558C3 http://www.chessgriffin.com - This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
Hi, Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot (Windows Vista + Free BSD), my system configuration details are as follows HP Compaq Presario V3000z RAM - 1.5 GB DDR II 533MHz NVIDIA Graphics Card 6150 NVIDIA Chipset motherboard 80GB Fujitsu HDD Thanks in advance Cheers B.Manikandan UK - This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
In addition to the bellow mail, I giving processor details AMD Turion? 64 Mobile Technology Manikandan Balachandran JPMC IB TO - Jupiter STS Tel: +44 1202-325271 Cell: +44 7891649680 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- JPMorgan Chase, 18 Christchurch Road Floor 1, Bournemouth, BH1 3BA , UK - Forwarded by Manikandan X Balachandran/JPMCHASE on 03/12/2007 11:27 AM - Manikandan X Balachandran 03/12/2007 11:26 AM To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org cc: Subject:Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot? Hi, Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot (Windows Vista + Free BSD), my system configuration details are as follows HP Compaq Presario V3000z RAM - 1.5 GB DDR II 533MHz NVIDIA Graphics Card 6150 NVIDIA Chipset motherboard 80GB Fujitsu HDD Thanks in advance Cheers B.Manikandan UK - This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
Hi, Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot (Windows Vista + Free BSD), my system configuration details are as follows Probably. You will have to divide your hard disk. I have successfully been doing that will Partition Magic (7.0) but recently got V 8.0 and found it to be completely inadequate - the CD wouldn't boot correctly it seems to have errors in the scripts and it would not talk to my USB drive which I wanted to divide up - the reason for going to 8.0. So, I am not sure which utility to recommend for dividing the disk. If it is FAT, then a couple of free utilities come with FreeBSD that might work (I haven't tried them), but if it is NTFS, then they will not work and you will need to get something else. Partition Magic 7.0 will work fine, but I don't know where you would get a copy nowdays. There is another utility out there called 'Partition Commander' I haven't used it, but might, after I get my PM 8.0 mess cleared up. So, anyway, I am sure you can make a dual boot, if you can get the disk divided.The handbook instructions work find. You will need to squeeze the current MS-V Primary Partition down to make room and then create another Promary Partition above it to install FreeBSD. Note that what FreeBSD callt slices MS called Primary Partitions. There might already be two. HP (and Dell and some others) puts its own small slice (Primary Partition) with diagnostic and maintenance stuff on first and the MS slice (Primary Partition) on second, so FreeBSD might well need to go in to the third slice. No problem. Just remember it is then slice 3, instead of slice 2 - slices are counted 1,2,3,4. Once you get the disk divided, just do a regular install in the new slice you created. It works the same as a single-boot install. jerry HP Compaq Presario V3000z RAM - 1.5 GB DDR II 533MHz NVIDIA Graphics Card 6150 NVIDIA Chipset motherboard 80GB Fujitsu HDD Thanks in advance Cheers B.Manikandan UK - This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
Jerry McAllister wrote: Hi, Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot (Windows Vista + Free BSD), my system configuration details are as follows Probably. You will have to divide your hard disk. I have successfully been doing that will Partition Magic (7.0) but recently got V 8.0 and found it to be completely inadequate - the CD wouldn't boot correctly it seems to have errors in the scripts and it would not talk to my USB drive which I wanted to divide up - the reason for going to 8.0. So, I am not sure which utility to recommend for dividing the disk. If it is FAT, then a couple of free utilities come with FreeBSD that might work (I haven't tried them), but if it is NTFS, then they will not work and you will need to get something else. Partition Magic 7.0 will work fine, but I don't know where you would get a copy nowdays. There is another utility out there called 'Partition Commander' I haven't used it, but might, after I get my PM 8.0 mess cleared up. There are also some good Linux-based Live CD's that are essentiall Partition Magic clones, one is GParted Live CD and the other is Parted Magic. They are very small iso's that pretty much just have a small window manager and some sort of disk partitioning tool like parted. I have used them to partition disks with great success. Good luck! Chess -- Chess Griffin GPG Key: 0x0C7558C3 http://www.chessgriffin.com signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Fw: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition to the bellow mail, I giving processor details AMD Turion? 64 Mobile Technology SNIP Hi, Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot (Windows Vista + Free BSD), my system configuration details are as follows HP Compaq Presario V3000z RAM - 1.5 GB DDR II 533MHz NVIDIA Graphics Card 6150 NVIDIA Chipset motherboard 80GB Fujitsu HDD Thanks in advance Cheers B.Manikandan UK Processor should pose no problem. Additionally, I find nvidia chipsets to be widely compatible with FreeBSD. You don't mention devices like wireless and ethernet, if you do know the models, you may be able to find if they are supported in the release notes / hardware compatibility of FreeBSD. The graphics card will be no problem with either the nv open source driver or the proprietary Nvidia from ports (or from nvidia directly). About your questions on dual boot, since I have a notebook dual booting (actually triple booting) Vista, FreeBSD and Linux I can give you some hand on information: - The info you have been given about Partition Magic, GParted and PartedMagic should work fine. You could use any of these tools to shrink your Windows Vista partition. Make sure Vista boots after this operation. The new MS loader seems to break rather easily. In the event it does not boot you will need a Vista DVD to boot and select to repair. This sounds more frightening than it really is, it does not happen often and the repair works (automatically). - When installing FreeBSD, when asked about the boot manager select NOT to install it. Do NOT let it touch the MBR. Vista uses a different loader from XP and it will probably fail to boot afterwards. - When installation is finished, you will not be able to boot into FreeBSD, but fear not. Boot into Vista and install the free EasyBCD program: http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 With this, you can add the choice for FreeBSD to your Vista bootloader (a new system called BCD) . It is trivially easy to setup and works extremely well. Hope this helps. Manolis ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot?
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 02:26:07PM -0500, Chess Griffin wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: Hi, Can I install Free BSD latest version on my laptop with dual boot (Windows Vista + Free BSD), my system configuration details are as follows Probably. You will have to divide your hard disk. I have successfully been doing that will Partition Magic (7.0) but recently got V 8.0 and found it to be completely inadequate - the CD wouldn't boot correctly it seems to have errors in the scripts and it would not talk to my USB drive which I wanted to divide up - the reason for going to 8.0. So, I am not sure which utility to recommend for dividing the disk. If it is FAT, then a couple of free utilities come with FreeBSD that might work (I haven't tried them), but if it is NTFS, then they will not work and you will need to get something else. Partition Magic 7.0 will work fine, but I don't know where you would get a copy nowdays. There is another utility out there called 'Partition Commander' I haven't used it, but might, after I get my PM 8.0 mess cleared up. There are also some good Linux-based Live CD's that are essentiall Partition Magic clones, one is GParted Live CD and the other is Parted Magic. They are very small iso's that pretty much just have a small window manager and some sort of disk partitioning tool like parted. I have used them to partition disks with great success. I knew there were some others out there now, but haven't had time to go looking. The free ones that come with FreeBSD are OK too except they don't work with NTFS type slices and that is what you get with most new machines nowdays. If you want to keep that NTFS system, then you have to get a utility that will work with it. Thanks for the pointers, jerry Good luck! Chess -- Chess Griffin GPG Key: 0x0C7558C3 http://www.chessgriffin.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: laptop
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 05:57:25PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: My Thinkpad R52 works like a charm. T series Thinkpads are basically the big brother of R series Thinkpads, and also work exceedingly well (my favorite laptop of all time was a T24p). That was a typo. I meant to type T42p, not T24p. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Ben Franklin: As we enjoy great Advantages from the Inventions of others we should be glad of an Opportunity to serve others by any Invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: laptop
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 01:42:11PM +0545, Tek Bahadur Limbu wrote: But since you mentioned that the primarily use of this laptop will be for gaming purposes, I don't think that FreeBSD is the right OS for this stuff. Of course, I could be wrong because I don't play games on my FreeBSD desktop. I've seen evidence that World of Warcraft can be made to run well on FreeBSD, and I intend to try that out myself at some point. In general, however, you're right -- FreeBSD is not the most game-oriented OS. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Baltasar Gracian: A wise man gets more from his enemies than a fool from his friends. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: laptop
On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 11:01:48AM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: ThinkPad T23 is around $200 and ThinkPad T30 is around $300. They would work like a charm with FreeBSD. If you are going to spend $500 you might as well by new lap top. Personally, I would not buy anything else but ThinkPad T series. I have a special place in my heart for Thinkpads. They serve me well. A Thinkpad with Intel wireless and either Intel or NVIDIA graphics should work just fine. At the moment, ATI/AMD graphics can still be a problem, though AMD (new owners of ATI) has recently been working on open source drivers, which may reverse that trend in the future. My Thinkpad R52 works like a charm. T series Thinkpads are basically the big brother of R series Thinkpads, and also work exceedingly well (my favorite laptop of all time was a T24p). If you want to be a little more adventurous, you could always look into an ASUS Eee PC. It's a tiny little laptop that comes with a custom Debian derivative pre-installed. I hear it works beautifully with OpenBSD, which makes me think FreeBSD would probably work on it as well. Of course, if I ever got one, I'd probably just use OpenBSD on it. After all, something that small and (compared to a Thinkpad) limited would probably not be something on which I'd need to run the most demanding mutlimedia applications or something like that. It's also less than $400. My next laptop will almost certainly be another Thinkpad, though. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] MacUser, Nov. 1990: There comes a time in the history of any project when it becomes necessary to shoot the engineers and begin production. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
laptop
Hello How is it going. I'm geting ready to go over to Iraq on Dec 6th. I've used Linux for a few years now. A frind of mine sead that he would set up a laptop for me with FreeBSD as soon as I pick one up. I will not use MicroSoft WinBlows I looking to do mostly games on it but I'll also use it for the net and other things. If you were me what laptop would you look for. I'm thinking of the P4 type mabe a dule cord, around $700 to $1000 on ebay. If you need to get ahold of my here is 2 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for any help that you can give me on this. James Pandy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: laptop
Pandy, James R SGT NG NG FORSCOM wrote: Hello How is it going. I'm geting ready to go over to Iraq on Dec 6th. I've used Linux for a few years now. A frind of mine sead that he would set up a laptop for me with FreeBSD as soon as I pick one up. I will not use MicroSoft WinBlows I looking to do mostly games on it but I'll also use it for the net and other things. If you were me what laptop would you look for. I'm thinking of the P4 type mabe a dule cord, around $700 to $1000 on ebay. If you need to get ahold of my here is 2 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for any help that you can give me on this. ThinkPad T23 is around $200 and ThinkPad T30 is around $300. They would work like a charm with FreeBSD. If you are going to spend $500 you might as well by new lap top. Personally, I would not buy anything else but ThinkPad T series. Best, Predrag James Pandy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: laptop
Pandy, James R SGT NG NG FORSCOM wrote: Hello How is it going. I'm geting ready to go over to Iraq on Dec 6th. I've used Linux for a few years now. A frind of mine sead that he would set up a laptop for me with FreeBSD as soon as I pick one up. I will not use MicroSoft WinBlows I looking to do mostly games on it but I'll also use it for the net and other things. If you were me what laptop would you look for. I'm thinking of the P4 type mabe a dule cord, around $700 to $1000 on ebay. If you need to get ahold of my here is 2 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for any help that you can give me on this. ThinkPad T23 is around $200 and ThinkPad T30 is around $300. They would work like a charm with FreeBSD. If you are going to spend $500 you might as well by new lap top. Personally, I would not buy anything else but ThinkPad T series. Best, Predrag James Pandy Where are you finding the T23 for $200? Presumably that's not US dollars, because even Ebay isn't showing a thinkpad for $200. James ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: laptop
* Pandy, James R SGT NG NG FORSCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-02 10:04:41]: Hello How is it going. I'm geting ready to go over to Iraq on Dec 6th. I've used Linux for a few years now. A frind of mine sead that he would set up a laptop for me with FreeBSD as soon as I pick one up. I will not use MicroSoft WinBlows I looking to do mostly games on it but I'll also use it for the net and other things. If you were me what laptop would you look for. I'm thinking of the P4 type mabe a dule cord, around $700 to $1000 on ebay. If you need to get ahold of my here is 2 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a Thinkpad T42 and X40, both of which run FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 extremely well. The Atheros wifi cards in both machines are also well supported. Good luck- Chess -- Chess Griffin GPG Public Key: 0x0C7558C3 http://www.chessgriffin.com pgptzCmM6rSDW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: laptop
James A. Harrison wrote: Pandy, James R SGT NG NG FORSCOM wrote: Hello How is it going. I'm geting ready to go over to Iraq on Dec 6th. I've used Linux for a few years now. A frind of mine sead that he would set up a laptop for me with FreeBSD as soon as I pick one up. I will not use MicroSoft WinBlows I looking to do mostly games on it but I'll also use it for the net and other things. If you were me what laptop would you look for. I'm thinking of the P4 type mabe a dule cord, around $700 to $1000 on ebay. If you need to get ahold of my here is 2 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for any help that you can give me on this. ThinkPad T23 is around $200 and ThinkPad T30 is around $300. They would work like a charm with FreeBSD. If you are going to spend $500 you might as well by new lap top. Personally, I would not buy anything else but ThinkPad T series. Best, Predrag James Pandy Where are you finding the T23 for $200? Presumably that's not US dollars, because even Ebay isn't showing a thinkpad for $200. James ___ They might be more now because of holidays but they are generally around $200 + shipping $35-50. Also T30 is around $300 more likely to be $330-340 + shipping. It is in U. S. dollars Predrag freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: laptop
Hi James, Pandy, James R SGT NG NG FORSCOM wrote: Hello How is it going. I'm geting ready to go over to Iraq on Dec 6th. I've used Linux for a few years now. A frind of mine sead that he would set up a laptop for me with FreeBSD as soon as I pick one up. I will not use MicroSoft WinBlows I looking to do mostly games on it but I'll also use it for the net and other things. If you were me what laptop would you look for. I'm thinking of the P4 type mabe a dule cord, around $700 to $1000 on ebay. You should easily get a ThinkPad T30/T40 (P4-2.0 GHz/512MB RAM/60GB HDD) on Ebay for about U.S.$350. But there are refurbished and not brand new. Since you mentioned your budget of $700 - $1000, why not just buy a brand new ThinkPad R61i or ThinkPad T61 which comes under $1,000? Of course, FreeBSD is a great OS which can be used on your laptop. In fact, 75% of my servers are based on FreeBSD. But since you mentioned that the primarily use of this laptop will be for gaming purposes, I don't think that FreeBSD is the right OS for this stuff. Of course, I could be wrong because I don't play games on my FreeBSD desktop. But you are free to try the gaming stuff on FreeBSD and provide us the feedback! Anyway, SGT, take good care of yourself out there in Iraq. Thanking you... If you need to get ahold of my here is 2 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for any help that you can give me on this. James Pandy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- With best regards and good wishes, Yours sincerely, Tek Bahadur Limbu System Administrator (TAG/TDG Group) Jwl Systems Department Worldlink Communications Pvt. Ltd. Jawalakhel, Nepal http://www.wlink.com.np http://teklimbu.wordpress.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: One Laptop Per Child
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jonathan McKeown Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:07 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One Laptop Per Child [Ted Mittelstaedt's words, heavily edited for brevity. Ted, please shout if I haven't caught the sense of what you're saying] Well, I know it's been a week since this came up but I'll toss in my $0.02 here. I've been against this project since I heard about it. Fortunately, it appears to be failing. IMHO what these kids need are connections to the Internet and the knowledge store on the Internet, not a laptop. What a laptop that isn't networked to the Internet is going to do to help them I cannot guess. The idea of this project seems to have been to just dump a lot of laptops into these kids hands and trust that the network fairies will magically fly out and connect all of them to something they can use. The other problem of course is that laptops are more fragile than a desktop that is fixed, and very subject to theft, much more than a desktop. I suppose they figure ... the kid will be able to come up with the $10-$20 monthly equivalent to keep the internet connection to the thing going? Assuming they even have a phone at all? As I understand it, the OLPC project has produced an extremely robust laptop which can be human-powered. A group of these laptops will automatically form a wireless mesh network and make use, collectively, of any Internet connectivity that's available to any one of them. In sub-Saharan Africa, that may well be through cellular data. (Satellite is available too, but a lot more expensive). Look at http://www.digitaldividend.org/case/case_vodacom.htm to see a social project by a cellular provider in South Africa which is putting telephone access within reach (both geographically and financially) of traditional rural communities. Note the statistic that Vodacom's cellular network covers 93% of South Africa's population. Note also that this is being done, not as a free handout, but by creating a (slightly subsidised) business opportunity for local people, which is being seized with both hands. People don't need to be handed everything on a plate. Now consider what a community can do when it can pool the cost of Internet connectivity - or what a force multiplier this is for government, non-governmental or even business intervention: this potentially reduces the problem of providing decent bandwidth to every farm and hut in rural Africa (or any other developing area) to a much simpler matter of wiring a few central points and letting the mesh networks take over the distribution. Sigh. Well, let me preface this by saying I work at an ISP. And we still have a number of dialup customers, clinging along despite most of our customers who have long ago gone on to our DSL network. Some of our service area, in fact, is in between Portland OR and Astoria OR and Seaside OR. You can call that area up on a map. Well, let me tell you that voiceline service is available to ANY subscriber in that geographical area. But, espically along the coast, NOTHING faster than a 28.8k modem is available in as little as 3 miles away from towns like Seaside. Many of those subscribers are deep in forested areas and satellite isn't even available either since they have no clear view of transponders in the sky. And this is right in the United States. There is no cellular because there aren't any cell towers, either. These folks are really struggling, we are regularly coaching people into moving off use of client-server e-mail applications such as Outlook and onto web-based applications simply because the e-mail messages they are getting today are getting too large to be downloaded in a reasonable period of time. And that's just e-mail!! To put it simply, the network your describing isn't viable for accessing the web - at least, not in the way you and I and the majority of the world is rapidly becoming used to accessing it. This mini-cellular network your describing doesen't have the bandwidth to do it. And if you did plunk down a satellite connection that had the bandwith, it would be usable for bulk data transmission only, not interactive, due to the high latency. In a few years it's going to be standard for most websites to require a 1.5Mbt connection just to browse at a reasonable speed. And few sites are putting in alternative text sites. This is a serious concern for the disabled community who is finding an increasing number of sites unusable by their special access software. In fact, one of the hottest arguments today in web design is whether the ADA can be applied to major websites - and the lawyers are saying it can be. Some sites have already been threatened and one or two sued to be brought into compliance. It would have been better to try creating a project that would produce a turnkey
Re: One Laptop Per Child
[Ted Mittelstaedt's words, heavily edited for brevity. Ted, please shout if I haven't caught the sense of what you're saying] Well, I know it's been a week since this came up but I'll toss in my $0.02 here. I've been against this project since I heard about it. Fortunately, it appears to be failing. IMHO what these kids need are connections to the Internet and the knowledge store on the Internet, not a laptop. What a laptop that isn't networked to the Internet is going to do to help them I cannot guess. The idea of this project seems to have been to just dump a lot of laptops into these kids hands and trust that the network fairies will magically fly out and connect all of them to something they can use. The other problem of course is that laptops are more fragile than a desktop that is fixed, and very subject to theft, much more than a desktop. I suppose they figure ... the kid will be able to come up with the $10-$20 monthly equivalent to keep the internet connection to the thing going? Assuming they even have a phone at all? As I understand it, the OLPC project has produced an extremely robust laptop which can be human-powered. A group of these laptops will automatically form a wireless mesh network and make use, collectively, of any Internet connectivity that's available to any one of them. In sub-Saharan Africa, that may well be through cellular data. (Satellite is available too, but a lot more expensive). Look at http://www.digitaldividend.org/case/case_vodacom.htm to see a social project by a cellular provider in South Africa which is putting telephone access within reach (both geographically and financially) of traditional rural communities. Note the statistic that Vodacom's cellular network covers 93% of South Africa's population. Note also that this is being done, not as a free handout, but by creating a (slightly subsidised) business opportunity for local people, which is being seized with both hands. People don't need to be handed everything on a plate. Now consider what a community can do when it can pool the cost of Internet connectivity - or what a force multiplier this is for government, non-governmental or even business intervention: this potentially reduces the problem of providing decent bandwidth to every farm and hut in rural Africa (or any other developing area) to a much simpler matter of wiring a few central points and letting the mesh networks take over the distribution. It would have been better to try creating a project that would produce a turnkey Internet network deployment that would be able to be dropped into any school anywhere, even if such a school consisted of a hut in the middle of a desert with a hole out back as the bathroom, no electricity, no running water, no telephone lines within 100 miles. As far as I can see, the only bit of this equation OLPC isn't achieving is providing the Internet connectivity - and to be honest, I think that bit has to depend on local circumstances anyway. I think it deserves to succeed. Jonathan (a sysadmin in urban South Africa) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Gee, I thought that this had gone away. PLEASE send this off to FreeBSD-chat, it has no business on FreeBSD-questions whatever. Jonathan McKeown wrote: [Ted Mittelstaedt's words, heavily edited for brevity. Ted, please shout if I haven't caught the sense of what you're saying] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: One Laptop Per Child
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Beech Rintoul Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:40 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Olivier Nicole; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: One Laptop Per Child On Sunday 11 November 2007, Olivier Nicole said: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... Olivier From what I've been reading they are addressing this issue. One way was providing solar power recharging stations. The other was hooking up carousel type playground equipment to a small generator to recharge the laptops. The third was good old WWII vintage hand crank power. I also read that these laptops are optimized for low power usage. I live in Alaska and they have been using the internet for education in rural villiages for many years with much success. I personally think this is a great idea. Too bad they won't all be running FreeBSD :-) Well, I know it's been a week since this came up but I'll toss in my $0.02 here. I've been against this project since I heard about it. Fortunately, it appears to be failing. IMHO what these kids need are connections to the Internet and the knowledge store on the Internet, not a laptop. Their real needs would best be served with the equivalent of a winterm running a web browser, and the associated infrastructure to connect that to the Internet. What a laptop that isn't networked to the Internet is going to do to help them I cannot guess. I suspect most that are not connected to an Internet connection will end up being used for games, that's about all they will be good for. The idea that they would be used for word processing or spreadsheets is rediculous. You need a printer and paper and ink for that, ie: a lot of consumables, which these kids parents cannot afford. The idea of this project seems to have been to just dump a lot of laptops into these kids hands and trust that the network fairies will magically fly out and connect all of them to something they can use. The other problem of course is that laptops are more fragile than a desktop that is fixed, and very subject to theft, much more than a desktop. No thought seems to have gone into funding the ongoing support structure necessary to keep a deployment of such magnitude as they want in running order - in all the articles I've read on these things, no mention of warranty has ever been made. I suppose they figure once the kid gets the laptop and the government program that gives him the laptop ends, that the kid will be able to come up with the $10-$20 monthly equivalent to keep the internet connection to the thing going? Assuming they even have a phone at all? It would have been better to try creating a project that would produce a turnkey Internet network deployment that would be able to be dropped into any school anywhere, even if such a school consisted of a hut in the middle of a desert with a hole out back as the bathroom, no electricity, no running water, no telephone lines within 100 miles. But of course, such a deployment would require labor and nobody wants to pay salaries of people who go into these places and try to hook up things, it's too boring. It's much more interesting and sexy to buy plastic boxes that work real cool in a 2000's American bedroom and ship them out to the boondocks in Africa. Makes people really feel as though they are helping. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 10:31:14AM -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote: You're aware that by offering your opinion while chastising people for doing likewise, you're contributing to the topic you're chastising, right? Actually . . . I thought the points were made well. I think perhaps you have a misconception about what was intended. My understanding is that the previous post was intended to chastise someone for an unthinking, reactionary response, and point out a more reasonable alternative, while I suspect yours was that the previous post was nothing more than a knee-jerk Can't we all just get along? with random opinions thrown in -- and you objected to the opinions part, but not the Can't we all just get along? I personally find vapid, insipid Can't we all just get along? statements odious and unproductive. I found the post to which you replied well reasoned and valuable, if a little abrasive. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] John Kenneth Galbraith: If all else fails, immortality can always be assured through spectacular error. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ I have to agree with many posters, this project is the most seriously misdirected, biggest crock of shit I've heard of in years. We're talkin' people in 3rd world conditions, without basic essentials of life, and some idiot wants to give them COMPUTERS?!?!? WFT? Where are they gonna get electricity to charge them, instruction in use, repair, software updates, etc. And they don't have toilet paper, so all the keys on the left half are gonna go bad! -R ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Rob wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ I have to agree with many posters, this project is the most seriously misdirected, biggest crock of shit I've heard of in years. We're talkin' people in 3rd world conditions, without basic essentials of life, and some idiot wants to give them COMPUTERS?!?!? WFT? Where are they gonna get electricity to charge them, instruction in use, repair, software updates, etc. And they don't have toilet paper, so all the keys on the left half are gonna go bad! Have you read the articles on OLPC? They're made to run on very low power. They have batteries that can be crank-charged quickly, or run off small solar panels. Somehow I don't think they're short on sunlight there. The laptopgiving.org site states that it operates up to 2,000 recharge cycles and can be charged by crank, pedal, pullcord, or solar panel. It's not like they're shipping off-the-shelf laptops to them. While there are plenty of problems for these kids, the OLPC project is a way to try to help with education and interaction. The units work with a type of automatic mesh network. As I understand it, if one gets access to the Internet, they all can route to it, but even if not they connect to each other for social and collaborative applications. Just because there are many third-world countries out there doesn't mean that someone can't try something to improve things. Maybe it'll fail miserably. Maybe it'll help give a boost to the conditions of the education system. It's worse that you're in a place where you have plenty of access to education and information and you didn't bother to look up how the XO works before bashing it on the forums. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Nov 13, 2007 2:52 PM, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ I have to agree with many posters, this project is the most seriously misdirected, biggest crock of shit I've heard of in years. We're talkin' people in 3rd world conditions, without basic essentials of life, and some idiot wants to give them COMPUTERS?!?!? WFT? Where are they gonna get electricity to charge them, instruction in use, repair, software updates, etc. And they don't have toilet paper, so all the keys on the left half are gonna go bad! when the F! is this going to end? all that is happening here is an exchange of stereotype opinions about the matter. nothing new, nothing original, nothing is going to come out of this, all this has been discussed already on numerous sites ( slashdot, digg, wherever ). your opinion is useless to freebsd-questions. please go annoy your relatives and friends. furthermore, you are extremely short sighted. are you aware rice was dumped in some African countries which ruined their local rice farmers? ever heard of learned helplessness? ever considered that not all children in 3rd world countries starve to death? if anyone wants to ramble on, please do so on the chat list. or bugger of to digg. pardon my french, usleep PS: you should be ashamed of yourself regarding your statement about the toilet paper. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:52 PM, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ I have to agree with many posters, this project is the most seriously misdirected, biggest crock of shit I've heard of in years. We're talkin' people in 3rd world conditions, without basic essentials of life, and some idiot wants to give them COMPUTERS?!?!? WFT? Where are they gonna get electricity to charge them, instruction in use, repair, software updates, etc. And they don't have toilet paper, so all the keys on the left half are gonna go bad! when the F! is this going to end? all that is happening here is an exchange of stereotype opinions about the matter. nothing new, nothing original, nothing is going to come out of this, all this has been discussed already on numerous sites ( slashdot, digg, wherever ). your opinion is useless to freebsd-questions. please go annoy your relatives and friends. furthermore, you are extremely short sighted. are you aware rice was dumped in some African countries which ruined their local rice farmers? ever heard of learned helplessness? ever considered that not all children in 3rd world countries starve to death? if anyone wants to ramble on, please do so on the chat list. or bugger of to digg. You're aware that by offering your opinion while chastising people for doing likewise, you're contributing to the topic you're chastising, right? ;-) -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:52 PM, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ I have to agree with many posters, this project is the most seriously misdirected, biggest crock of shit I've heard of in years. We're talkin' people in 3rd world conditions, without basic essentials of life, and some idiot wants to give them COMPUTERS?!?!? WFT? Where are they gonna get electricity to charge them, instruction in use, repair, software updates, etc. And they don't have toilet paper, so all the keys on the left half are gonna go bad! when the F! is this going to end? all that is happening here is an exchange of stereotype opinions about the matter. nothing new, nothing original, nothing is going to come out of this, all this has been discussed already on numerous sites ( slashdot, digg, wherever ). your opinion is useless to freebsd-questions. please go annoy your relatives and friends. furthermore, you are extremely short sighted. are you aware rice was dumped in some African countries which ruined their local rice farmers? ever heard of learned helplessness? ever considered that not all children in 3rd world countries starve to death? if anyone wants to ramble on, please do so on the chat list. or bugger of to digg. pardon my french, usleep PS: you should be ashamed of yourself regarding your statement about the toilet paper. Again, please act like adults and stop this bikeshed on this list, as there are many people subscribed to it. End of discussion. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One (FreeBSD?) Laptop Per Child
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:15:42 -0500 Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] Have you read the articles on OLPC? They're made to run on very low power. They have batteries that can be crank-charged quickly, or run off small solar panels. Somehow I don't think they're short on sunlight there. The laptopgiving.org site states that it operates up to 2,000 recharge cycles and can be charged by crank, pedal, pullcord, or solar panel. It's not like they're shipping off-the-shelf laptops to them. While there are plenty of problems for these kids, the OLPC project is a way to try to help with education and interaction. The units work with a type of automatic mesh network. As I understand it, if one gets access to the Internet, they all can route to it, but even if not they connect to each other for social and collaborative applications. Indeed. Putting aside any ignorance or bigotry regarding whether or not other than rich countries' kids should have access to computers and IT, surely the on-topic issue is Can we run FreeBSD on the OLPC laptop? From what I've been able to quickly discover about the machine's specs: http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Hardware_specification http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_components http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Firmware it should be emininently suitable as a FreeBSD small/embedded project? Standard issue runs Linux 2.6.22 FC7 on 'Open Firmware', though now of course M$ want to put winders on it, saying, in effect, If it's open, it should also be open to closed-source software (ahem :) Just how Linux-dependent the other software components are I don't know, but it mostly looks like stuff that should run fine on FreeBSD to me. I guess the rather unique video display arrangements may pose a real challenge, though it's not like it should need any real reverse-engineering. The mesh networking is of particular interest, to me anyway. Seems they've been playing with OLSR and BATMAN and haven't really firmed this aspect up yet, from my hour or so of googling; it's still early days .. So, does anyone know if anyone's looked into porting FreeBSD to OLPC? Cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Sunday 11 November 2007, Olivier Nicole said: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... Olivier From what I've been reading they are addressing this issue. One way was providing solar power recharging stations. The other was hooking up carousel type playground equipment to a small generator to recharge the laptops. The third was good old WWII vintage hand crank power. I also read that these laptops are optimized for low power usage. I live in Alaska and they have been using the internet for education in rural villiages for many years with much success. I personally think this is a great idea. Too bad they won't all be running FreeBSD :-) -- --- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://www.freebsd.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Latest Release: / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/6.2R/announce.html --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 07:55:01PM -1000, Robert Marella wrote: Aloha FreeBSD Users I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ Have a very good day Robert This project is among the best and most selfless, not to mention innovative and techy, since we-geeks began hacking code. I'm going to buy at least two of these computers. Two for my household, and two for poor children *everywhere*. (had i not lucked into education, i dread to think of where i'd have wound up.) gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:04:04 +0700 (ICT) Olivier Nicole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... Olivier http://www.newsweek.com/id/41724 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Olivier Nicole wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... You ought to actually _visit_ one or more of the schools that have practical computers for the kids. At least in my own experience, well, it's very disillusioning. The teachers have only a vague notion about what a compuiter is, so basically the students are given some games to waste their time with, and graded on how quiet they are while playing. The teachers themselves are usually actually frightened of the machines, so they react negatively to anyone who volunteers to teach computers. I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OFFTOPIC] Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Monday 12 November 2007 19:06:28 Chuck Robey wrote: I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. It is true that the companies that sell computers and software benefit, but the same could be said of companies that sell state-approved textbooks to schools (if you have seen those textbooks you know what I mean), the companies that sell shoes for sports, etc. There is one large software company that gives some software to schools and then gets a tax cut even though it benefits down the line when those kids grow up to buy that company's software because that is the software they know. I still think it is better for kids to know how to use computers, even if a few business people also benefit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Chuck Robey wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... You ought to actually _visit_ one or more of the schools that have practical computers for the kids. At least in my own experience, well, it's very disillusioning. The teachers have only a vague notion about what a compuiter is, so basically the students are given some games to waste their time with, and graded on how quiet they are while playing. The teachers themselves are usually actually frightened of the machines, so they react negatively to anyone who volunteers to teach computers. I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. I'd say that it is possible your observations have clued you in on a large problem. Of course, it's likely not that way everywhere, but one result of a lack of teacher education re: computers is that people tend to think that they are computer literate if they can handle an office suite and use a pointy-clicky interface to build web pages --- which explains a few things about the culture at large. Another problem is that use of the Internet for research in writing papers, etc. often misses the crucial old school step of actually writing notes based on the books your read before you begin the paper. Recently I read a report by a 9th grader that was composed mostly of direct quotes from Wikipedia, et al, with no attribution whatsoever. Copy n Paste may work in elementary art classes, but it's no good in academic research unless great pains are taken to ensure understanding and proper attribution. And, this may be near the real heart of the issue. I don't think that many school administrators feel that games, educational or not, are the reason that schools should have computers. I think that, in large extent, computers were added when some of them discovered that the Internet could give you more volumes of information than the school library, without leaving your seat or requiring a hall pass. And that is why teachers should be a little more geeky, perhaps. Plugging a child's computer into the network without knowledgeable and *personal* guidance will pretty much guarantee that most kids end up on the baser end of the 'Net, rather than the best. And, for the most part, teachers are no less busy than they were 10, 20, or 30 years ago. My $.02, Kevin Kinsey -- There has been a little distress selling on the stock exchange. -- Thomas W. Lamont, October 29, 1929 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On 2007-11-12 Olivier Nicole wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... I second the idea. No doubt that OLPC is a great effort but I wonder how such ideas will be useful in 3rd world countries where the IT infrastructures are so poor that even dial-up Internet is not available in some towns, let alone villages and rural regions. I try to be not cynic but there are so many problems in education system that learning how to use a computer has a low priority. Anyway, let's hope OLPC will do what it's supposed to do. -- Bahman Movaqar Whenever there are great virtues, it's a sure sign something's wrong. -Bertolt Brecht ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007, Pollywog wrote: On Monday 12 November 2007 19:06:28 Chuck Robey wrote: I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. It is true that the companies that sell computers and software benefit, but the same could be said of companies that sell state-approved textbooks to schools (if you have seen those textbooks you know what I mean), the companies that sell shoes for sports, etc. There is one large software company that gives some software to schools and then gets a tax cut even though it benefits down the line when those kids grow up to buy that company's software because that is the software they know. The biggest problem I see with computers in classrooms is that they distract the student's attention from the teacher. I know that I have to back away from my computer completely when talking on the phone, unless I'm doing direct support at the time, because I find myself distracted from the conversation. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to take this in the direction of government schools as indoctrination centers. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 We shouldn't elect a President; we should elect a magician. Will Rogers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: One Laptop Per Child
Pollywog wrote: On Monday 12 November 2007 19:06:28 Chuck Robey wrote: I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. It is true that the companies that sell computers and software benefit, but the same could be said of companies that sell state-approved textbooks to schools (if you have seen those textbooks you know what I mean), the companies that sell shoes for sports, etc. There is one large software company that gives some software to schools and then gets a tax cut even though it benefits down the line when those kids grow up to buy that company's software because that is the software they know. Yeah, but in this case, I know more: a lady friend of mine was an editor for a large educational publishing house. Those places (and more specifically the folks that work in them) are rather embarrassed at having to put all that garbage into state textbooks, but the state boards of education require it. They don't want to do it, but they have to, to be able to sell their product. The local state officials are at fault here, not the companies nor those who work for them. I used to listen by the hour to complaints about the stupidity and cupidity of those state officials, from that lady. I still think it is better for kids to know how to use computers, even if a few business people also benefit. Hmm. Several of the classes I walked into were disappointing to me, where the kids were made to feel good at being able to play computer games well. If you think that's good for kids, it's your money, I suppose. The teachers were given no training whatever in computers, so they had no ability to do better. I would not contribute to such an item. A program that produces better educational software, that I could see, but not giving computers to schools, that is very counter-productive. Let them eat Doom! I think we should move this to FreeBSD-chat. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Bahman M. writes: On 2007-11-12 Olivier Nicole wrote: That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... I second the idea. No doubt that OLPC is a great effort but I wonder how such ideas will be useful in 3rd world countries where the IT infrastructures are so poor that even dial-up Internet is not available in some towns, let alone villages and rural regions. I try to be not cynic but there are so many problems in education system that learning how to use a computer has a low priority. The problem I have always had with this is computer use does not exist in a vacuum; it changes, and is changed by, the society in which it happens. If I look at the countries of the first world, I see places that have walked the path from the written word to the telegraph to the telephone to the computer. At each step they've tested the new technology, learning what it can and cannot do, discovering stuff the inventors never even imagined, discarding ideas that are techically problematic or culturally unpalatable, and adapting to it as it adapted to them. Now consider dropping 100,000 OLPC on a country where the (median and mode) hardware layer is paper and ink, the government - often autocratic and kleptocratic - cannot manage to install and run a 1950's era phone system, and religious leaders fulminate against imunization as a foreign plot. Even under the best of circumstaces exactly what do people reasoaly expect to happen? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:56:34 -0500 Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem I have always had with this is computer use does not exist in a vacuum; it changes, and is changed by, the society in which it happens. If I look at the countries of the first world, I see places that have walked the path from the written word to the telegraph to the telephone to the computer. At each step they've tested the new technology, learning what it can and cannot do, discovering stuff the inventors never even imagined, discarding ideas that are techically problematic or culturally unpalatable, and adapting to it as it adapted to them. Now consider dropping 100,000 OLPC on a country where the (median and mode) hardware layer is paper and ink, the government - often autocratic and kleptocratic - cannot manage to install and run a 1950's era phone system, and religious leaders fulminate against imunization as a foreign plot. Even under the best of circumstaces exactly what do people reasoaly expect to happen? In my opinion you underestimate the abilities of people. There is no need for the people of the third world countries to evolve as we did. One only needs to look at the progress made in China over the last few decades. People who never had a telephone, facsimile, radio or in some cases even books are now using cell phones, computers and televisions. China is becoming more capitalistic, if not democratic, not because the government wants it to but because it has to. The people are more knowledgeable about the rest of the world because of the new ways of communication. If only one percent of the 100,000 laptops in your above example were to fall into hands of some child who is awakened to a new world then that is 1,000 children who will grow up and help change that country. As someone else stated, It's my money. I have completed the give one, get one order form. I hope my laptop is sent to a worthy child but if not so be it. I have not decided what to do with the one that I receive. My grand daughter is only 3 and I think that is a little to young. I will probably give the laptop to one of my great nieces. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Kevin Kinsey wrote: Chuck Robey wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... You ought to actually _visit_ one or more of the schools that have practical computers for the kids. At least in my own experience, well, it's very disillusioning. The teachers have only a vague notion about what a compuiter is, so basically the students are given some games to waste their time with, and graded on how quiet they are while playing. The teachers themselves are usually actually frightened of the machines, so they react negatively to anyone who volunteers to teach computers. I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. I'd say that it is possible your observations have clued you in on a large problem. Of course, it's likely not that way everywhere, but one result of a lack of teacher education re: computers is that people tend to think that they are computer literate if they can handle an office suite and use a pointy-clicky interface to build web pages --- which explains a few things about the culture at large. Another problem is that use of the Internet for research in writing papers, etc. often misses the crucial old school step of actually writing notes based on the books your read before you begin the paper. Recently I read a report by a 9th grader that was composed mostly of direct quotes from Wikipedia, et al, with no attribution whatsoever. Copy n Paste may work in elementary art classes, but it's no good in academic research unless great pains are taken to ensure understanding and proper attribution. And, this may be near the real heart of the issue. I don't think that many school administrators feel that games, educational or not, are the reason that schools should have computers. I think that, in large extent, computers were added when some of them discovered that the Internet could give you more volumes of information than the school library, without leaving your seat or requiring a hall pass. And that is why teachers should be a little more geeky, perhaps. Plugging a child's computer into the network without knowledgeable and *personal* guidance will pretty much guarantee that most kids end up on the baser end of the 'Net, rather than the best. And, for the most part, teachers are no less busy than they were 10, 20, or 30 years ago. My $.02, Kevin Kinsey Could you guys please redirect this discussion to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks... -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
The door open and in walked trouble - disguised as our our old nemesis [EMAIL PROTECTED], who uttered, at Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 21:37 : Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:30:46 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: One Laptop Per Child To: Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [edited to only portions I comment upon - wjv] Chuck Robey wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... You ought to actually _visit_ one or more of the schools that have practical computers for the kids. At least in my own experience, well, it's very disillusioning. The teachers have only a vague notion about what a compuiter is, so basically the students are given some games to waste their time with, and graded on how quiet they are while playing. The teachers themselves are usually actually frightened of the machines, so they react negatively to anyone who volunteers to teach computers. I wish it wasn't this way. Maybe it's just in the schools I visited? If so, anyone have a better experience? Until I hear of some, I won't contribute to any computers for kids deal, because it only benefits big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids. I'd say that it is possible your observations have clued you in on a large problem. Of course, it's likely not that way everywhere, but one result of a lack of teacher education re: computers is that people tend to think that they are computer literate if they can handle an office suite and use a pointy-clicky interface to build web pages --- which explains a few things about the culture at large. Education - over the time when technology started rearing it's head shortly after the turn of the second past century [eg 1900 and forward] often has looked to this technolog as the saviour of the educational environment. When radio came about it was looked upon as the way to educate million of children as radio could bring in information and perhaps experts in the field to cover what was needed. Then movies with sound came along - and the same arguments were made. Then television. Ah - now we can experts teaching children everywhere. The ulitmate talking heads experience IMO. And then color-television. That was to solve all the problems that b/w had - so you could see the colors in chemistry experiments for example. Then came the computer - with text screend. It was though that they needed graphics enviormennts. So those came about. Then it was color computers, then color computers with 3D graphics and of course sound. So for 70+ years people have seen the 'new technology' as ways to solve the problems seen or perhaps mis-seen in education. And what has it got us? Has we gotten children with better education. It seems today's studens have one of the prime goals is how to pass the FCATs and SATs. IOW they have been taught how to pass tests. They have not been educated but taught. And if when they go into the world the come across problems for which they have not been taught - they are lost because they have not been educated [a distinction I make but others may not] to understand that with which they are working and being able to figure out on their own how to solve the problem. Learning to pass tests doesn't prepare them for that. Another problem is that use of the Internet for research in writing papers, etc. often misses the crucial old school step of actually writing notes based on the books your read before you begin the paper. Recently I read a report by a 9th grader that was composed mostly of direct quotes from Wikipedia, et al, with no attribution whatsoever. Copy n Paste may work in elementary art classes, but it's no good in academic research unless great pains are taken to ensure understanding and proper attribution. And the problem with using the 'net for research is that so much of what has been printed in the past - pre-mid-90s - has not [yet] been made available for searching. Sometimes you have to go into the stacks at a decent library and pull down a book that hasn't been opening in 30 to 50 [or more] years to find the real answers to your problem. And, this may be near the real heart of the issue. I don't think that many school administrators feel that games, educational or not, are the reason that schools should have computers. I think that, in large extent, computers were added when some of them discovered that the Internet could give you more volumes of information than the school library, without leaving your seat or requiring a hall pass. And I see problems
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One Laptop Per Child
Aloha FreeBSD Users I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ Have a very good day Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some cases... Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
I know this is off topic... That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt this is the most needed thing to provide education. You are correct sometimes it isn't the most important thing. However, in many, many cases it is. As with any aid project, it needs to form part of a range of things on offer. Until now, no one has really sought to fill this huge gap and so this is a big step forward in dealing with the digital divide that exists in many parts of the world. Anyhow, back to freeBSD. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Installed FreeBSD 6.2 on a DELL Latitude 100L laptop but cannot get its touchpad configured. By searching the handbook, it looks like PSM is the device for the touchpad, so enabled verbose during the boot and see some errors for psm0: kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0:current command byte:0065 psm0: the aux port is not functioning (-1) atkdbc: atkbdc0 already exists: skipping it That is all messsage for the psm0, which is in turn not being configured. Then, I tried this laptop under Windows XP and the touchpad works fine. Is touchpad not the device psm? or something else I need to enable to configure the touchpad? Can anyone help to configure the touchpad on this laptop? TIA, -Jin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 11:12:44AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:24:55PM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote: I have installed FreeBSd on IBM/Lenova and Dell with little problem. But, I wonder if anyone here has had any dealings with a nice little notebook from a Japanese company called 'Kojinsha'. I saw them the last time I was in Japan, of course, running MS-something. They are very compact, but still with a typable keyboard unlike some other compact notebooks and a very sharp looking display. I am hoping I can find them sold with an English Language setup in the USA. (I have seen an European (British?) English Language version. So, has anyone seen these or better yet, tried one? I was quite tempted to order one of those from conics.net a while ago, but getting it across the border into Russia is a real PITA. When I googled to check for possible compatibility issues I saw people running Linux on it, there's a working Xorg driver, too. Most likely FreeBSD will run fine on it as well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
On 9/25/07, Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used Thinkpads for about 10 years with various Linux systems. My last one was a Thinkpad 600 which I used continuously from August 1999 through March 2007 when I got a Mac Powerbook (now if only I could run OS X on a Thinkpad :-). We have used a fair variety of Thinkpads with our auction software for the last 10 years or so with excellent results. Fortunately you were using Linux. For some Thinkpads, IBM arbitrarily picked a system ID for their suspend-to-disk partition that was the same as FreeBSD UFS (165). The result was you could not boot the Thinkpad after you installed FreeBSD, until IBM changed the sysid and you updated your BIOS. I ran into this about six years ago when I got a hand-me-down Thinkpad. Info at http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/faq/03.10.shtml. This was a problem for some new Thinkpads at least as late as 2002. Moral: the ability to run Linux does not imply the ability to run FreeBSD. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
Asus is the best for me, in my case Asus A6JC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
Asus works well too. 2007/9/25, Steve Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. I have a compaq that is %#*!^$. The pcmcia will not work, the ndiswrapper for the broadcom panics, etc. So, compaq is right out (the've always maintained their poor reputation, no?) - so compaq is out. Seems gateway has an equally bad rap Thanks, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ronggui Huang Department of Sociology, Fudan University, Shanghai, China Department of Public and Social Administration, CityU, HK ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:24:55PM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote: I have installed FreeBSd on IBM/Lenova and Dell with little problem. But, I wonder if anyone here has had any dealings with a nice little notebook from a Japanese company called 'Kojinsha'. I saw them the last time I was in Japan, of course, running MS-something. They are very compact, but still with a typable keyboard unlike some other compact notebooks and a very sharp looking display. I am hoping I can find them sold with an English Language setup in the USA. (I have seen an European (British?) English Language version. So, has anyone seen these or better yet, tried one? jerry I've been happy with FBSD on Dell Inspirons, although the newest I've used it on is an 8600 (it's what I'm using now). Some things have been problems (e.g. on the 7500 the sound input never had a driver, on the 8600 it took a while to find a driver that would make a working NDIS driver for the wireless). In general, if you get something new on the market you are far more likely to have trouble getting it working. In that regard in particular, I've had better luck with nVidia rather than ATI video (nVidia publishes FreeBSD drivers). - Bob On 9/25/07, Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2007, Arend P. van der Veen wrote: We have used Thinkpads for a long time. I am currently using a T60. Never had any problems. I used Thinkpads for about 10 years with various Linux systems. My last one was a Thinkpad 600 which I used continuously from August 1999 through March 2007 when I got a Mac Powerbook (now if only I could run OS X on a Thinkpad :-). We have used a fair variety of Thinkpads with our auction software for the last 10 years or so with excellent results. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 Liberty don't work as good in practice as it does in speeches. Will Rogers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007, Arend P. van der Veen wrote: We have used Thinkpads for a long time. I am currently using a T60. Never had any problems. I used Thinkpads for about 10 years with various Linux systems. My last one was a Thinkpad 600 which I used continuously from August 1999 through March 2007 when I got a Mac Powerbook (now if only I could run OS X on a Thinkpad :-). We have used a fair variety of Thinkpads with our auction software for the last 10 years or so with excellent results. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 Liberty don't work as good in practice as it does in speeches. Will Rogers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
I've been happy with FBSD on Dell Inspirons, although the newest I've used it on is an 8600 (it's what I'm using now). Some things have been problems (e.g. on the 7500 the sound input never had a driver, on the 8600 it took a while to find a driver that would make a working NDIS driver for the wireless). In general, if you get something new on the market you are far more likely to have trouble getting it working. In that regard in particular, I've had better luck with nVidia rather than ATI video (nVidia publishes FreeBSD drivers). - Bob On 9/25/07, Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2007, Arend P. van der Veen wrote: We have used Thinkpads for a long time. I am currently using a T60. Never had any problems. I used Thinkpads for about 10 years with various Linux systems. My last one was a Thinkpad 600 which I used continuously from August 1999 through March 2007 when I got a Mac Powerbook (now if only I could run OS X on a Thinkpad :-). We have used a fair variety of Thinkpads with our auction software for the last 10 years or so with excellent results. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 Liberty don't work as good in practice as it does in speeches. Will Rogers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
Bill Campbell wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2007, Arend P. van der Veen wrote: We have used Thinkpads for a long time. I am currently using a T60. Never had any problems. I used Thinkpads for about 10 years with various Linux systems. My last one was a Thinkpad 600 which I used continuously from August 1999 through March 2007 when I got a Mac Powerbook (now if only I could run OS X on a Thinkpad :-). We have used a fair variety of Thinkpads with our auction software for the last 10 years or so with excellent results. Bill I also use Think Pads, 9545 (was a 486!), T20 series, T40 series. All work wonderfully... IBM makes rock solid laptops. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
Also IBM Z series, like my Z60M Runs 6, and 7 CURRENT really well On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 11:05 -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Steve Franks wrote: The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. I have a compaq that is %#*!^$. The pcmcia will not work, the ndiswrapper for the broadcom panics, etc. So, compaq is right out (the've always maintained their poor reputation, no?) - so compaq is out. Seems gateway has an equally bad rap Thanks, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM ThinkPad you can not go wrong. T23, T30 or T43 are $200-400 on ebay. If you are rich T60 by far the best laptop on the market in my opinion. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
anyone have a favorite laptop?
The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. I have a compaq that is %#*!^$. The pcmcia will not work, the ndiswrapper for the broadcom panics, etc. So, compaq is right out (the've always maintained their poor reputation, no?) - so compaq is out. Seems gateway has an equally bad rap Thanks, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
Steve Franks wrote: The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. I have a compaq that is %#*!^$. The pcmcia will not work, the ndiswrapper for the broadcom panics, etc. So, compaq is right out (the've always maintained their poor reputation, no?) - so compaq is out. Seems gateway has an equally bad rap Thanks, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM ThinkPad you can not go wrong. T23, T30 or T43 are $200-400 on ebay. If you are rich T60 by far the best laptop on the market in my opinion. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:00:33 -0700 Steve Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. I have a compaq that is %#*!^$. The pcmcia will not work, the ndiswrapper for the broadcom panics, etc. So, compaq is right out (the've always maintained their poor reputation, no?) - so compaq is out. Seems gateway has an equally bad rap Thanks, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] As for me, I have never had problems with running FreeBSD on Sony VAIO laptops. I use Sony PCG-TR3/B and all except motion eye (didn't tested) is working here. I had experience trying to get working FreeBSD at Amilo Pa2510, but had troubles with Radeon x1200 video-card. So you should look at laptops with intel videocards or ndidia. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. my IBM T23 works perfect with FreeBSD. ALL devices works. newest IBM (lenovo) models works too. there are lot of ACPI errors but all (including ACPI things) works right. you may like to buy external cardbus USB controller if you need USB 2.0 Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 #0: Fri Aug 24 00:10:39 CEST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/root/kernel/compile/p234 Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 1133MHz (1132.38-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0x6b1 Stepping = 1 Features=0x383f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE real memory = 267780096 (255 MB) avail memory = 252481536 (240 MB) acpi0: IBM TP-1A on motherboard acpi_ec_ecdt_probe: can't get handle ACPI-0356: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.FDC_._INI] (Node 0xc220a700), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0356: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__._INI] (Node 0xc2202700), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0356: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT0._STA] (Node 0xc22060c0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0239: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT0._STA] (Node 0xc22060c0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0356: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1._STA] (Node 0xc2205d60), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0239: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1._STA] (Node 0xc2205d60), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0356: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BGID] (Node 0xc220a840), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BINI] (Node 0xc220a860), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BSTA] (Node 0xc220a8a0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.IDE0.SCND.MSTR._STA] (Node 0xc220a760), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0239: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.IDE0.SCND.MSTR._STA] (Node 0xc220a760), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0356: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BGID] (Node 0xc220a840), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BINI] (Node 0xc220a860), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BSTA] (Node 0xc220a8a0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.USB0.URTH.UNST._STA] (Node 0xc220ad80), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0239: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.USB0.URTH.UNST._STA] (Node 0xc220ad80), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0356: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BGID] (Node 0xc220a840), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BINI] (Node 0xc220a860), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BSTA] (Node 0xc220a8a0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.NEST._STA] (Node 0xc220a5a0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0239: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.NEST._STA] (Node 0xc220a5a0), AE_NOT_EXIST acpi0: Power Button (fixed) ACPI-0356: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT0._STA] (Node 0xc22060c0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0239: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT0._STA] (Node 0xc22060c0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0356: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT0._STA] (Node 0xc22060c0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0239: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT0._STA] (Node 0xc22060c0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0356: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler ACPI-1304: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT0._STA] (Node 0xc22060c0), AE_NOT_EXIST ACPI-0239: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_
Re: anyone have a favorite laptop?
IBM Thinkpad, Sony Vaio Hakan http://dominor.com On 9/24/07, Steve Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. I have a compaq that is %#*!^$. The pcmcia will not work, the ndiswrapper for the broadcom panics, etc. So, compaq is right out (the've always maintained their poor reputation, no?) - so compaq is out. Seems gateway has an equally bad rap Thanks, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:00 PMSep 24, 2007, Steve Franks wrote: The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. I have a compaq that is %#*!^$. The pcmcia will not work, the ndiswrapper for the broadcom panics, etc. So, compaq is right out (the've always maintained their poor reputation, no?) - so compaq is out. Seems gateway has an equally bad rap Thanks, Steve Since it hasn't been mentioned, and it's sorta related, my vote goes toward the Apple Mac line of notebook computers. While they're not running straight FreeBSD, it's pretty darn close. I haven't been restricted in what I can do, and all the ACPI/power management stuff is pretty much guaranteed to work. I find I've got more time to work and play, rather than tweaking my laptop so that it runs right, all the time. Biggest down side is they're expensive compared to other laptops. HTH - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 24 September 2007 13:00:33 Steve Franks wrote: The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. I have a compaq that is %#*!^$. The pcmcia will not work, the ndiswrapper for the broadcom panics, etc. So, compaq is right out (the've always maintained their poor reputation, no?) - so compaq is out. Seems gateway has an equally bad rap Thanks, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] checking in from my HP NC6000, all hardware operational, no issues to speak of. (p4 1.8, intel 2200 wireless, broadcom ethernet, intel sound). also, the pushbutton to enable/disable the wireless works, but the hardware volume control does not. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, I am using Acer TravelMate 4060 and I am very satisfied. The wireless card works very well and I had no problems with the video card. Regards Rambius ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steve Franks wrote: The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. Thinkpads here too, T41, T42, T43, all ok. Per olof ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I also use an Acer TravelMate, I think it is 4000 something and it works well. -- Mark Price http://www.rootbsd.net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 11:05:28AM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Steve Franks wrote: The freebsd laptop page is a nice resource, but it's a bit heavy on specifics (i.e. I have a laptop I want to install on), not so good generally (want to buy a laptop). So anyone have realworld advice? I'm not against something used in the 1GHz+ range. I have a compaq that is %#*!^$. The pcmcia will not work, the ndiswrapper for the broadcom panics, etc. So, compaq is right out (the've always maintained their poor reputation, no?) - so compaq is out. Seems gateway has an equally bad rap IBM ThinkPad you can not go wrong. I'm a huge fan of Thinkpads. You can go wrong with them, though, if you're unlucky. Choose your model well. T23, T30 or T43 are $200-400 on ebay. If you are rich T60 by far the best laptop on the market in my opinion. In general, you'll want to stick to laptops with Intel graphics adapters to get 3D acceleration support from among those choices. Some newer Thinkpads such as the T61 also offer nVidia adapters as an option, which should also be reasonably well supported by FreeBSD. Avoid Radeons unless you don't care about 3D acceleration or like betting on the idea that the r300 drivers will make it into FreeBSD's X.Org soon. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Kent Beck: I always knew that one day Smalltalk would replace Java. I just didn't know it would be called Ruby. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
