Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
Hello Marc, * Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [26-08-06 22:43]: Figuring that for the purposes of these stats, driver stats might be too fine, I've just added a page breaking down hardware use by Vendor, eliminating the driver ... (ie. 161 3com devices in use, etc) ... there is a bug in the stats query used for this one, where I'm showing some 'blank lines' for devices ... not sure if its a missing device in pci_dev.txt or not, will investigate further ... is it possible to see what the program transmit? I can only see that it transfers anything but not what. Best regards, Matthias -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning. -- Rich Cook ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
Matthias Fechner wrote:
* Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [26-08-06 22:43]:
Figuring that for the purposes of these stats, driver stats might be too
fine, I've just added a page breaking down hardware use by Vendor,
eliminating the driver ... (ie. 161 3com devices in use, etc) ... there is
a bug in the stats query used for this one, where I'm showing some 'blank
lines' for devices ... not sure if its a missing device in pci_dev.txt or
not, will investigate further ...
is it possible to see what the program transmit?
I can only see that it transfers anything but not what.
You can run:
sh -x /usr/local/etc/periodic/300.bsdstats
to get a trace of what happens while the script is running. It's not
exactly the clearest, but amongst that output you can see the calls to
/usr/bin/fetch that upload the information -- this sort of thing:
+ /usr/bin/fetch -qo /dev/null
http://bsdstats.org/scripts/report_devices.php?key=Xdev[]=agp0:30991106:06dev[]=pcib1:b0991106:060400dev[]=pcm0:03f6:040100dev[]=de0:00091011:02dev[]=sym0:00201000:01dev[]=sym1:00201000:01dev[]=isab0:30741106:060100dev[]=atapci0:05711106:01018adev[]=uhci0:30381106:0c0300dev[]=uhci1:30381106:0c0300dev[]=uhci2:30381106:0c0300dev[]=nvidia0:032210de:03
Or you can change the 'do_fetch' subroutine to just echo what it would
send:
happy-idiot-talk:~:% diff -u /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics
/tmp/300.statistics
--- /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics Mon Aug 28 09:27:25 2006
+++ /tmp/300.statistics Mon Aug 28 09:29:53 2006
@@ -93,7 +93,7 @@
}
do_fetch () {
-/usr/bin/fetch -qo /dev/null http://$checkin_server/scripts/$1;
+echo /usr/bin/fetch -qo /dev/null http://$checkin_server/scripts/$1;
}
Cheers,
Matthew
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Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
On 8/27/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I think is interesting is the only ~50% uptake of FreeBSD/amd64 on 64-bit x86 capable systems. FreeBSD/i386 takes ~90% of the pie. Also the less then 1% uptake of sparc64 and alpha ports and 0% for FreeBSD/PPC. Maybe we should can some of these platform ports, how much overhead do they add to the project? Speaking of sparc64 specifically, what you see in the stats most probably doesn't reflect reality. One of the sparc64 machines in the stats is mine and is at home. Most sparc64 machines running FreeBSD will be at companies (as non sparc64) and of those you'll only get a small percentage of them reporting to bsdstats. Even if you got the sysadmins to install bsdstats you have to convince the security team on having a call home app running. Just Kris Kennaway's playing sparc64 machine with 14 cpus, has more than the sparc64 cpus currently reported in the sparc64 category. And after Sun handing over some new machines with the Niagara cpus to the FreeBSD folks to port to what would you say to Sun and the developers who committed to this? Again, I think we're seeing a distorted version of reality here and shouldn't be jumping to conclusions very fast. -- Joao Barros ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
Nikolas Britton wrote: What I think is interesting is the only ~50% uptake of FreeBSD/amd64 on 64-bit x86 capable systems. FreeBSD/i386 takes ~90% of the pie. Also the less then 1% uptake of sparc64 and alpha ports and 0% for FreeBSD/PPC. Maybe we should can some of these platform ports, how much overhead do they add to the project? Woah! It's way, way too soon to start making any decisions based on the bsdstats site. There's less than a thousand machines reporting stats so far -- that's a very small fraction of the FreeBSD total machines around the world. As it is a single small company or user with half a dozen machines submitting their data could have a radical effect on the ordering of many of the tables available on the site. The BSD Stats site is going to need some serious popularization before it provides a statistically significant sample. It would probably take getting the 300.bsdstats periodic job incorporated into the base system and having a 'please register your system' option fairly prominently displayed in the installer for several releases to make it really effective. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 8/26/06, Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/26/06, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 10:43:38PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Neat to see nVidia *much* more popular then ATI though ... Really? Why is that neat? nVidia restricts your choices through their staunch refusal to provide open specs. They are not nice players in this game. At least there's some hope about ATI after the AMD deal. Probably because the /good/ AMD boards use an nVidia chipsets. ( eg, the K8N) What I think is interesting is the only ~50% uptake of FreeBSD/amd64 on 64-bit x86 capable systems. FreeBSD/i386 takes ~90% of the pie. Also the less then 1% uptake of sparc64 and alpha ports and 0% for FreeBSD/PPC. Maybe we should can some of these platform ports, how much overhead do they add to the project? Well, considering we are only seeing ~2 weeks of stats, I think its a bit early to 'can ports' :) But, as far as 'overhead do they add', my guess is next to zero ... those working on those ports are most likely those more familiar with PPC/Sparc then they are with Intel stuff, so, in essence, we've attract those developers to us vs converted existing developers over to those platforms for porting purposes ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
On 8/27/06, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: What I think is interesting is the only ~50% uptake of FreeBSD/amd64 on 64-bit x86 capable systems. FreeBSD/i386 takes ~90% of the pie. Also the less then 1% uptake of sparc64 and alpha ports and 0% for FreeBSD/PPC. Maybe we should can some of these platform ports, how much overhead do they add to the project? Woah! It's way, way too soon to start making any decisions based on the bsdstats site. There's less than a thousand machines reporting stats so far -- that's a very small fraction of the FreeBSD total machines around the world. As it is a single small company or user with half a dozen machines submitting their data could have a radical effect on the ordering of many of the tables available on the site. The BSD Stats site is going to need some serious popularization before it provides a statistically significant sample. It would probably take getting the 300.bsdstats periodic job incorporated into the base system and having a 'please register your system' option fairly prominently displayed in the installer for several releases to make it really effective. I'm being devils advocate here, we don't need to make any rash decisions etc... It's just something to think about. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
--On August 27, 2006 12:08:55 AM -0500 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I think is interesting is the only ~50% uptake of FreeBSD/amd64 on 64-bit x86 capable systems. FreeBSD/i386 takes ~90% of the pie. Also the less then 1% uptake of sparc64 and alpha ports and 0% for FreeBSD/PPC. Maybe we should can some of these platform ports, how much overhead do they add to the project? I don't think you have nearly enough systems inventoried to make decisions like that. Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006, Matthew Seaman wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: What I think is interesting is the only ~50% uptake of FreeBSD/amd64 on 64-bit x86 capable systems. FreeBSD/i386 takes ~90% of the pie. Also the less then 1% uptake of sparc64 and alpha ports and 0% for FreeBSD/PPC. Maybe we should can some of these platform ports, how much overhead do they add to the project? Woah! It's way, way too soon to start making any decisions based on the bsdstats site. There's less than a thousand machines reporting stats so far -- that's a very small fraction of the FreeBSD total machines around the world. As it is a single small company or user with half a dozen machines submitting their data could have a radical effect on the ordering of many of the tables available on the site. The BSD Stats site is going to need some serious popularization before it provides a statistically significant sample. Definitely in agreement here ... this wasn't meant as a quick-n-dirty short term analysis of *BSD usage ... this was meant to *start* a very long term project to accumulate more accurate #s then are attainable via ftp logs and CD sales ... less guestimates ... I figure we need to get to *at least* 10k hosts reporting in monthly before we have anything really solid to work with, so we just approaching 1/10th of the way there now ... I'm going to post some summary statistics at the end of each month, to act as a 'reminder' to those that aren't participating yet ... and trying to post follow ups to threads that talk about convincing vendors to support us natively (ie. Adobe w/ Flash) ... this should hopefully provide more concrete numbers then an 'online petition' to go at ppl like that about ... Hell, its only been, what, 2 weeks since v3.x got started, at we're doing on average 61 new hosts per day ... that means ~4 months at the current rate to hit 10k hosts ... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
Figuring that for the purposes of these stats, driver stats might be too fine, I've just added a page breaking down hardware use by Vendor, eliminating the driver ... (ie. 161 3com devices in use, etc) ... there is a bug in the stats query used for this one, where I'm showing some 'blank lines' for devices ... not sure if its a missing device in pci_dev.txt or not, will investigate further ... Neat to see nVidia *much* more popular then ATI though ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 10:43:38PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Neat to see nVidia *much* more popular then ATI though ... Really? Why is that neat? nVidia restricts your choices through their staunch refusal to provide open specs. They are not nice players in this game. At least there's some hope about ATI after the AMD deal. -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD Users Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
On 8/26/06, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 10:43:38PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Neat to see nVidia *much* more popular then ATI though ... Really? Why is that neat? nVidia restricts your choices through their staunch refusal to provide open specs. They are not nice players in this game. At least there's some hope about ATI after the AMD deal. Probably because the /good/ AMD boards use an nVidia chipsets. ( eg, the K8N) -- -- Perfection is just a word I use occasionally with mustard. --Atom Powers-- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
On 8/26/06, Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/26/06, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 10:43:38PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Neat to see nVidia *much* more popular then ATI though ... Really? Why is that neat? nVidia restricts your choices through their staunch refusal to provide open specs. They are not nice players in this game. At least there's some hope about ATI after the AMD deal. Probably because the /good/ AMD boards use an nVidia chipsets. ( eg, the K8N) What I think is interesting is the only ~50% uptake of FreeBSD/amd64 on 64-bit x86 capable systems. FreeBSD/i386 takes ~90% of the pie. Also the less then 1% uptake of sparc64 and alpha ports and 0% for FreeBSD/PPC. Maybe we should can some of these platform ports, how much overhead do they add to the project? -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
