creating new user account password.
I know I can create a new user account having a password same as the user name. After logging in the first time using the user account name as the password, I want to force the user to create a new password. Is there a way to do that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: creating new user account password.
On 23/01/2013 20:06, Fbsd8 wrote: I know I can create a new user account having a password same as the user name. After logging in the first time using the user account name as the password, I want to force the user to create a new password. Is there a way to do that? You can set the password to expire virtually immediately: pw usermod -n username -p +1m or add the '-p +1m' bit to the 'pw useradd' line used to create the account. I believe this will mean the user is required to set a new password on login after the password has expired. Might be an idea to test that though. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: creating new user account password.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/23/13 3:06 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: I know I can create a new user account having a password same as the user name. After logging in the first time using the user account name as the password, I want to force the user to create a new password. Is there a way to do that? This looks like it will help: http://www.itedit.com/blog/?p=34 Regards, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/cpucycle/ - Follow you, follow me -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEAR2QACgkQ0sRouByUApDN/QCgh9B23vgN7bv9otoKnt3t8dqW 30QAoLsdUgTRl6Fx0N5wEdcGZ/of3LUi =1n+g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: creating new user account password.
Matthew Seaman wrote: On 23/01/2013 20:06, Fbsd8 wrote: I know I can create a new user account having a password same as the user name. After logging in the first time using the user account name as the password, I want to force the user to create a new password. Is there a way to do that? You can set the password to expire virtually immediately: pw usermod -n username -p +1m or add the '-p +1m' bit to the 'pw useradd' line used to create the account. I believe this will mean the user is required to set a new password on login after the password has expired. Might be an idea to test that though. Cheers, Matthew Thank you both, Matthew and Greg I added -p 12-12-12 as a date in the past day 12 month 12 year 12. I tested and right after entering the account name pw I was asked for a new password. That is what I wanted. Matthew gave me the -p option to use on the pw adduser command and Greg gave me the clue to use a date in the past. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
New User to FreeBSD
Hi, Let me be honest at the outset, I have never used an operating system other than linux with enthusiasm. But something about Linux always troubled me It's licensing, such complex family of distributions which are so different from each other. Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the installation process is really hard, I must say. I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. Added to the above interests of mine, I am a C++ and java developer. I want to use this talent that God's has blessed me with in this community. I want to begin with FreeBSD's very own GUI. Not depending on anyone (Gnome, KDE or) I want it to be soo good that a commoner shoule be able to work with it with ease and feel safe and secure. So if someone could guide me about how to get started with contributing to FreeBSD it would be great. Please do reach out to me for more details if you need that is!!! Send me links that will get me started with FreeBSD I am all excited for this new journey to begin. -- Alwin Doss God's Beloved ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New User to FreeBSD
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:17 AM, alwin doss alwindos...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Let me be honest at the outset, I have never used an operating system other than linux with enthusiasm. But something about Linux always troubled me It's licensing, such complex family of distributions which are so different from each other. Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the installation process is really hard, I must say. I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. Added to the above interests of mine, I am a C++ and java developer. I want to use this talent that God's has blessed me with in this community. I want to begin with FreeBSD's very own GUI. Not depending on anyone (Gnome, KDE or) I want it to be soo good that a commoner shoule be able to work with it with ease and feel safe and secure. So if someone could guide me about how to get started with contributing to FreeBSD it would be great. Please do reach out to me for more details if you need that is!!! Send me links that will get me started with FreeBSD I am all excited for this new journey to begin. -- Alwin Doss God's Beloved ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Take a look at PC-BSD http://www.pcbsd.org/ Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New User to FreeBSD
On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 12:47:26PM +0530, alwin doss wrote: Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the installation process is really hard, I must say. I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. Have you tried PC-BSD? It is effectively a 'distro' of FreeBSD, but aimed very much at desktop users. The installation process has been extensively modified, and should be much more accessible to new users. Also, laptops can be difficult to install FreeBSD on -- they tend to have non-standard versions of many of the typical components. Try looking up your hardware here: http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ to see what tricks and tweaks may be needed. If you'ld like to contribute towards FreeBSD, you will be more that welcome. The easiest and simplest way to start is to become an active participant on the various mailing lists or the FreeBSD forums. Then, as you become familiar with the system, find and characterise any bugs you run into, and submit well-formed problem reports, for any of the ports, docs or the base system. Well-formed in the sense that just saying foo is broken doesn't really help: it is much better to show output from foo illustrating the brokenness and explain what you'ld expect to see specifically. Even better is if you can include patches to fix the problem. Don't be disenheartened if your patches get quite rigourously critiqued -- that's a good sign: it usually means that committers are taking your ideas seriously but want you to improve the implementation before it can be committed. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW pgp8mLSTAJ00v.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New User to FreeBSD
[ Waitman Gobble wrote on Sun 7.Oct'12 at 0:38:30 -0700 ] On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:17 AM, alwin doss alwindos...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Let me be honest at the outset, I have never used an operating system other than linux with enthusiasm. But something about Linux always troubled me It's licensing, such complex family of distributions which are so different from each other. Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the installation process is really hard, I must say. I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. Added to the above interests of mine, I am a C++ and java developer. I want to use this talent that God's has blessed me with in this community. I want to begin with FreeBSD's very own GUI. Not depending on anyone (Gnome, KDE or) I want it to be soo good that a commoner shoule be able to work with it with ease and feel safe and secure. So if someone could guide me about how to get started with contributing to FreeBSD it would be great. Please do reach out to me for more details if you need that is!!! Send me links that will get me started with FreeBSD I am all excited for this new journey to begin. -- Alwin Doss God's Beloved Take a look at PC-BSD http://www.pcbsd.org/ Waitman Gobble Yes i think you might benefit initially from installing PC-BSD. It IS FreeBSD, but the creators have put a great deal of effort and hard work into making it easier to install and to provide an X environment that is already set up and configured for you to use. If you were to install FreeBSD there are a lot of configuration changes to be made and software to install to get the set-up I believe you're looking for. PC-BSD will take away that part of it for you and most likely make your experience of FreeBSD a lot less headache free. It's default desktop is KDE 4 i believe. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New User to FreeBSD
Let me be honest at the outset, I have never used an operating system other than linux with enthusiasm. But something about Linux always troubled me It's licensing, such complex family of distributions which are so different from each other. Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the installation process is really hard, I must say. I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. Added to the above interests of mine, I am a C++ and java developer. I want to use this talent that God's has blessed me with in this community. I want to begin with FreeBSD's very own GUI. Not depending on anyone (Gnome, KDE or) I want it to be soo good that a commoner shoule be able to work with it with ease and feel safe and secure. So if someone could guide me about how to get started with contributing to FreeBSD it would be great. Please do reach out to me for more details if you need that is!!! Send me links that will get me started with FreeBSD I am all excited for this new journey to begin. Alwin Doss God's Beloved I don't think there is any such thing as FreeBSD's very own GUI. FreeBSD's GUI is X Window System, but this is Unix's main GUI, which is also used by other (quasi-)Unixes including Linux. You can look through the FreeBSD Handbook online, even download it. You can find useful links from www.freebsd.org . Does anybody know about live USBs/CDs/DVDs for FreeBSD? Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New User to FreeBSD
On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:47:26 +0530, alwin doss wrote: But something about Linux always troubled me It's licensing, such complex family of distributions which are so different from each other. A valid point. With UNIX basic knowledge, you can master nearly any outdated commercial UNIX, BSD and Linux, even though it is sometimes complicated to find the simple parts (i. e. the UNIX parts) in Linux. :-) Which is when I came across FreeBSD. I fell in love with it, but yes I have never used it yet, I have tried many times to install it, but the installation process is really hard, I must say. I cannot conform that. Do you have a second system that you can use to refer to the documentation that exactly describes, with text and pictures, how to perform the installation process? Note that FreeBSD, in opposite to many other systems, comes with excellent documentation both for Internet and offline use. Check out The FreeBSD Handbook's installation section: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall.html and the FAQ regarding this topic: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/install.html You'll see that the installation is quite simple: You just have to follow the instructions shown on the screen. I really want to install it on my laptop and all my systems. It's a bit complicated to get _all_ features running on _all_ kinds of laptops has hardware manufacturers do not care much about standards and specifications. Still I hear from many people successfully running FreeBSD on their super-duper-new laptops, and I run it on my old and shady laptops. :-) Added to the above interests of mine, I am a C++ and java developer. I want to use this talent that God's has blessed me with in this community. Both languages can be used on FreeBSD. C++ is supported out of the box. Java requires you to install additional software due to licensing terms and lawyer blahblah. I want to begin with FreeBSD's very own GUI. FreeBSD does not have a very own GUI. In fact, it has many GUIs, and it doesn't have a GUI per se. Note that it is a multi-purpose system, that's why it doesn't come with a graphical installer so you can install it on a server (that doesn't even have a monitor). After installation, you can add as many GUIs as you like (for example, you can have both KDE and Gnome on your system, plus olvwm and even WindowMaker). The choice is _yours_. There is nothing directly tied to the system. However, PC-BSD comes with a preinstalled and preconfigured (!) KDE environment. VirtualBSD comes with Xfce, if I remember correctly. You can check out those projects: PC-BSD is said to be easier to adopt by Linux and even Windows users as it comes with a graphical installer, preconfigured environments, preinstalled software, and caters the out of the box community a lot. And VirtualBSD can be used from within a VM, it's a nice try it out system. http://www.pcbsd.org/ http://www.virtualbsd.info/ You can find screenshots there too. :-) Not depending on anyone (Gnome, KDE or) I want it to be soo good that a commoner shoule be able to work with it with ease and feel safe and secure. That's one of the primary advantages of FreeBSD: The system will not do anything until _YOU_ tell it to. Know what you do. Know where to find information (Handbook, FAQ, man command, mailing lists). So if someone could guide me about how to get started with contributing to FreeBSD it would be great. Find something that you consider interesting and worth contributing to. Refer to this page for more information: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html Send me links that will get me started with FreeBSD I am all excited for this new journey to begin. If you enounter problems during installation, feel free to contact the list. Describe your problem as exact as possible, use the available troubleshooting resources first, like, do your homework. :-) http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo http://www.freebsd.org/support.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On 26 Nov 2010 at 9:53, Ryan Coleman wrote: On Nov 26, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Yes, I found that, good info. I'm relying on the freebsd.org site man pages and documentation among others, as I'm finding it too inconvenient (bad short term memory) using the man pages on the system. At least I can have the website pages open on a nearby laptop. There are two options that I know of that could make this part easier for you 1) screen (tried and true) can do split windows/multiple windows although I've never been able to correctly figure it out I second screen. /usr/ports/sysutils/screen/ Ryan, thanks, but no 'ports' is installed on this box, it was built with a net install, from a V8.0 boot disk, earlier this year (April if memory serves.) I find now, that Sysinstall's ports management utility, has to be told to go look for V8.1 stuff (the Options page) else it just whinges about not being able to login to the repository ftp servers. Cheers. Dave B. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On 26 Nov 2010 at 22:18, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:53:51 -0500, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: There are two options that I know of that could make this part easier for you 1) screen (tried and true) can do split windows/multiple windows although I've never been able to correctly figure it out 2) tmux (the pretentious upstart), it's a quick install and it's built in help (^b?) is eternally useful and it's options make more sense then screen (to me at least) Along with the Spanish Inquisition, there are three! Three! Three options: screen, tmux, and the native solution of virtual terminals via Alt+PFx switch. This even allows you to use the mouse-driven edit buffer (copy + paste), e. g. if you need to compose a command line using the examples listed in the man page. If you're accessing a system remotely, there is also the option of opening -- FOUR! Four options! -- the option of opening more than one connection to the remote system, and each of them in an own xterm (or KDE Konsole tab which I would say if I had been using KDE, but I haven't). Of course, this solution also allows you copy + paste operations. Other means of accessibility are provided by the window manager you're using. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... Hi. As I now have ssh working, I can indeed have multiple logins running in indipendant windows on another box. (because I have it) I'm using PuTTY on Win2k. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ It appears to work well. I now have another problem of the BSD flavor (inabiltiy to 'su') but I've already asked that in another post. Thanks. Dave B. PS: Do I detect a Monty Python fan? ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
Hi. As I now have ssh working, I can indeed have multiple logins running in indipendant windows on another box. (because I have it) I'm using PuTTY on Win2k. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/%7Esgtatham/putty/ It appears to work well. I now have another problem of the BSD flavor (inabiltiy to 'su') but I've already asked that in another post. Thanks. use screen/tmux/some other app that does this inside of putty to preserve work in progress. :D Dave B. PS: Do I detect a Monty Python fan? ;-) Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: /usr/ports/sysutils/screen/ Ryan, thanks, but no 'ports' is installed on this box, it was built with a net install, from a V8.0 boot disk, earlier this year (April if memory serves.) I find now, that Sysinstall's ports management utility, has to be told to go look for V8.1 stuff (the Options page) else it just whinges about not being able to login to the repository ftp servers. As root, type portsnap fetch extract I also like tmux, it's BSD licensed and BSD-like in that is has easier to work with default settings. Once ports are installed you'll want to install a port managment tool, I prefer portmaster. Something like the following will get you up and running with portmaster and install tmux: cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster make install clean rehash portmaster --no-confirm -D /usr/ports/sysutils/tmux rehash -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On 27 Nov 2010 at 11:22, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: /usr/ports/sysutils/screen/ Ryan, thanks, but no 'ports' is installed on this box, it was built with a net install, from a V8.0 boot disk, earlier this year (April if memory serves.) I find now, that Sysinstall's ports management utility, has to be told to go look for V8.1 stuff (the Options page) else it just whinges about not being able to login to the repository ftp servers. As root, type portsnap fetch extract I also like tmux, it's BSD licensed and BSD-like in that is has easier to work with default settings. Once ports are installed you'll want to install a port managment tool, I prefer portmaster. Something like the following will get you up and running with portmaster and install tmux: cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster make install clean rehash portmaster --no-confirm -D /usr/ports/sysutils/tmux rehash -- Adam Vande More Thanks Adam. Unless I hear from others a good reason why not, I'll be trying that tomorrow, as I'm running out of time today to play any more. The first of this years Xmas party's tonight. Tomorrow, I might be a little slow as a result.. Best Regards to All. Dave B. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:06:06 -, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Ryan, thanks, but no 'ports' is installed on this box, it was built with a net install, from a V8.0 boot disk, earlier this year (April if memory serves.) Use this: # pkg_add -r screen Precompiled packaes work without a ports tree installed. Obtains files via Internet and installs all needed dependencies. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: On 27 Nov 2010 at 11:22, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: /usr/ports/sysutils/screen/ Ryan, thanks, but no 'ports' is installed on this box, it was built with a net install, from a V8.0 boot disk, earlier this year (April if memory serves.) I find now, that Sysinstall's ports management utility, has to be told to go look for V8.1 stuff (the Options page) else it just whinges about not being able to login to the repository ftp servers. As root, type portsnap fetch extract I also like tmux, it's BSD licensed and BSD-like in that is has easier to work with default settings. Once ports are installed you'll want to install a port managment tool, I prefer portmaster. Something like the following will get you up and running with portmaster and install tmux: cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster make install clean rehash portmaster --no-confirm -D /usr/ports/sysutils/tmux rehash No need to specify the full path w/ portmaster ... just portmaster --no-confirm -D sysutils/tmux is sufficient, portsnap is the best/easiest way to get the latest snapshot of ports. No real reason not to unless your using a custom ports or are maintaining your own ports and don't want them clobbered. Thanks Adam. Unless I hear from others a good reason why not, I'll be trying that tomorrow, as I'm running out of time today to play any more. The first of this years Xmas party's tonight. Tomorrow, I might be a little slow as a result.. Best Regards to All. Dave B. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.netwrote: No need to specify the full path w/ portmaster ... just portmaster --no-confirm -D sysutils/tmux is sufficient, portsnap is the best/easiest way to get the latest snapshot of ports. No real reason not to unless your using a custom ports or are maintaining your own ports and don't want them clobbered. There are a couple of reasons specifying the full path is more convenient: 1. tab-completions work 2. When dealing with system utilities like whereis(1), the full path is displayed making double-click+middle click give you correct cmd portmaster $FULL_PATH - $PORTSDIR is only useful for me in cases where I remember exactly where the port lives. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 13:18, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:53:51 -0500, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: There are two options that I know of that could make this part easier for you 1) screen (tried and true) can do split windows/multiple windows although I've never been able to correctly figure it out 2) tmux (the pretentious upstart), it's a quick install and it's built in help (^b?) is eternally useful and it's options make more sense then screen (to me at least) Along with the Spanish Inquisition, there are three! Three! Three options: screen, tmux, and the native solution of virtual terminals via Alt+PFx switch. This even allows you to use the mouse-driven edit buffer (copy + paste), e. g. if you need to compose a command line using the examples listed in the man page. If you're accessing a system remotely, there is also the option of opening -- FOUR! Four options! -- the option of opening more than one connection to the remote system, and each of them in an own xterm (or KDE Konsole tab which I would say if I had been using KDE, but I haven't). Of course, this solution also allows you copy + paste operations. Other means of accessibility are provided by the window manager you're using. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! :-) That's what I get for waiting a week to look at email... Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 06:53, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Yes, I found that, good info. I'm relying on the freebsd.org site man pages and documentation among others, as I'm finding it too inconvenient (bad short term memory) using the man pages on the system. At least I can have the website pages open on a nearby laptop. There are two options that I know of that could make this part easier for you 1) screen (tried and true) can do split windows/multiple windows although I've never been able to correctly figure it out 2) tmux (the pretentious upstart), it's a quick install and it's built in help (^b?) is eternally useful and it's options make more sense then screen (to me at least) Don't get me wrong, both serve there purpose. Personally, I prefer tmux but I still use screen for some things. So the choice comes down to what you find that works for you. For a standard installation, there's also the base console functionality: ALT+F(n) key combo - each one, F1 up to (IIRC) F12, gets a different console. I often leave the main console alone to display system messages while I work at other consoles. Or, for that matter, multiple ssh sessions. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On Fri 26 Nov 2010 at 14:31:23 PST Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Polytropon on Friday, 26 November 2010: FIVE! Using a tiling window manager like xmonad, just open another xterm. Either share a workspace between them, or put one of them in a different workspace, depending on whether you like to be able to see both at the same time and/or have multiple monitors. SIX! sysutils/dvtm tiles console or terminal windows, similar to tmux. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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For a standard installation, there's also the base console functionality: ALT+F(n) key combo - each one, F1 up to (IIRC) F12, gets a different console. This depends on how many virtual consoles have been defined in the /etc/ttys file. I think the default is 0 up to 7, and 8 (corresponds to PF9) is X. The consoles for Alt+PF10,11,12 can be added easily. I often leave the main console alone to display system messages while I work at other consoles. In former times, this was my STANDARD development setting (text-mode only), 80x25 each. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 25 Nov 2010 at 21:25, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 20:00:21 -, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Lots is written about the 'x' bit, and allowing execution of a file, but not that it affects the ability to even use that directory. I guess in this context, using = executing, so it sort of makes sense. It is written lots and nicely explained in man chmod, where you can read: 0100For files, allow execution by owner. For directories, allow the owner to search in the directory. 0010For files, allow execution by group members. For directo- ries, allow group members to search in the directory 0001For files, allow execution by others. For directories allow others to search in the directory. The 1 part of the octal masks refers to the x attribute. In relation to directories, it means search, which you can also see when using the find program: Directories that are not +x cannot be searched. Yes, I found that, good info. I'm relying on the freebsd.org site man pages and documentation among others, as I'm finding it too inconvenient (bad short term memory) using the man pages on the system. At least I can have the website pages open on a nearby laptop. It appears too, that if one of the group members then creates a new direcory, that inherits the permissions of the parent directory. You can set default permissions for file creation using the umask builtin (e. g. for csh, the default dialog shell); see the man csh for details. The original instructions I used when creating the GPS/NTP server, resulted in the BASH shell being used. I think that's part of the odd problem, as that does not show up in the list of known shell's, when creating a new user. Next task, to get the ftp server to work on another port. I might just quit while ahead, and go up the pub though, and leave that till tomorrow. That's easy: See the -P option explained in man ftpd. Also see /etc/defaults/rc.conf which mentions ftpd_flags. Not quite it seems, that parameter only works if the -D is used too I believe, and with inetd running things. At present, the system wont allow that for some odd reason. No errors, it just ignores it. Remember: This is FreeBSD, we have excellent manpages and other good documentation. :-) Agreed, the documentation is excelent, compared to that available for many Linux's (with the exception of Debian I've found) The biggest difference is the people. Here in the FreeBSD world, I ask a question, I get sensible answers, for which I'm eternaly gratefull. In many LUG's and other Linux Forums, I often get self opinionated Flames! Though the doc's are good, I do find it less than easy to assimilate it all in a meaningfull way, not coming from a unix background. But that's just my problem, and I'm sure the penny will drop sometime soon. I've recently installed 8.1 on another sacreficial PC to mess with, so I can learn how to etc, without adversley affecting the NTP server box, untill I'm sure I know what to do. So I know (not being too familier with all this) in simple terms, what advantages/disadvantages are there, in respects to the different shell's avalable? Is there a comparison feature table somewhere? As an asside, having got the FTP server working, I then had an idea and ended up breaking it. Cest la vie... I'll look to using a stand alone program/utility I think, that involves less system settings manipulation. Best Regards All. Dave B. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:30:29 -, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: The original instructions I used when creating the GPS/NTP server, resulted in the BASH shell being used. I think that's part of the odd problem, as that does not show up in the list of known shell's, when creating a new user. The Bourne Again Shell is NOT, I repeat: *NOT* part of the FreeBSD default installation. It is an ADDITIONAL piece of software. A common Linuxism seems to imply that bash is present on every system. While I agree that bash is a good interactive shell (except some misbehaviour, in my opinion), it is often used as scripting shell where NO functionality that is specific to bash is used - instead of sh, the Bourne Shell, FreeBSD's standard scripting shell (as well as the standard scripting shell on nearly every UNIX out there). You have to manually add bash (by ports or packages), then it will be listed in /etc/shells and therefore be available to the adduser script (or pw program) for new users. You can alter the user's shell afterwards using the chsh command. Not quite it seems, that parameter only works if the -D is used too I believe, and with inetd running things. Yes, -D makes ftpd become a daemon. Its invication via inetd is very convenient, allthoug the need for inetd is originated in a different time in past. At present, the system wont allow that for some odd reason. No errors, it just ignores it. How that? Which settings do you currently have? Oh, and check the firewall (e. g. IPFW) to allow FTP on the alternative port. Remember: This is FreeBSD, we have excellent manpages and other good documentation. :-) Agreed, the documentation is excelent, compared to that available for many Linux's (with the exception of Debian I've found) I share this observation. :-) The biggest difference is the people. Here in the FreeBSD world, I ask a question, I get sensible answers, for which I'm eternaly gratefull. In many LUG's and other Linux Forums, I often get self opinionated Flames! You can get them here, too, if you ask the right questions. :-) No, honestly: This list has helped me very much, and I could learn many things. So I want to contribute back. When I see a chance to help with knowledge, experience or pointers, I'll do that. And so do most on this list. Though the doc's are good, I do find it less than easy to assimilate it all in a meaningfull way, not coming from a unix background. But that's just my problem, and I'm sure the penny will drop sometime soon. The backgrpund of the documentation is that is is a reference, not a HOWTO, or a Wiki style conglomerate. It is maintained in the same quality way as the system is. Many (but sadly not all) ports follow this concept (e. g. man xmms, man mplayer or even man opera; in contradiction man firefox or any KDE program). You need to have experience in HOW to read man pages, to filter out what you need. The system does NOT know what you need, so it doesn't hide unneeded information. So I know (not being too familier with all this) in simple terms, what advantages/disadvantages are there, in respects to the different shell's avalable? Is there a comparison feature table somewhere? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_command_shells You'll find more than just the UNIX shells in there. The ports collection has a category shells where you can refer to the description files. The most common shells in use are, of course, the system shells: sh as default scripting shell, csh as default dialog shell. Common 3rd party shells are bash (obviously), zsh and ksh. As an asside, having got the FTP server working, I then had an idea and ended up breaking it. Cest la vie... I'll look to using a stand alone program/utility I think, that involves less system settings manipulation. That's what inetd is originally intended for: Configure and delegate requests to specific programs. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Yes, I found that, good info. I'm relying on the freebsd.org site man pages and documentation among others, as I'm finding it too inconvenient (bad short term memory) using the man pages on the system. At least I can have the website pages open on a nearby laptop. There are two options that I know of that could make this part easier for you 1) screen (tried and true) can do split windows/multiple windows although I've never been able to correctly figure it out 2) tmux (the pretentious upstart), it's a quick install and it's built in help (^b?) is eternally useful and it's options make more sense then screen (to me at least) Don't get me wrong, both serve there purpose. Personally, I prefer tmux but I still use screen for some things. So the choice comes down to what you find that works for you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Nov 26, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Yes, I found that, good info. I'm relying on the freebsd.org site man pages and documentation among others, as I'm finding it too inconvenient (bad short term memory) using the man pages on the system. At least I can have the website pages open on a nearby laptop. There are two options that I know of that could make this part easier for you 1) screen (tried and true) can do split windows/multiple windows although I've never been able to correctly figure it out I second screen. /usr/ports/sysutils/screen/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:53:51 -0500, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: There are two options that I know of that could make this part easier for you 1) screen (tried and true) can do split windows/multiple windows although I've never been able to correctly figure it out 2) tmux (the pretentious upstart), it's a quick install and it's built in help (^b?) is eternally useful and it's options make more sense then screen (to me at least) Along with the Spanish Inquisition, there are three! Three! Three options: screen, tmux, and the native solution of virtual terminals via Alt+PFx switch. This even allows you to use the mouse-driven edit buffer (copy + paste), e. g. if you need to compose a command line using the examples listed in the man page. If you're accessing a system remotely, there is also the option of opening -- FOUR! Four options! -- the option of opening more than one connection to the remote system, and each of them in an own xterm (or KDE Konsole tab which I would say if I had been using KDE, but I haven't). Of course, this solution also allows you copy + paste operations. Other means of accessibility are provided by the window manager you're using. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Quoth Polytropon on Friday, 26 November 2010: On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:53:51 -0500, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: There are two options that I know of that could make this part easier for you 1) screen (tried and true) can do split windows/multiple windows although I've never been able to correctly figure it out 2) tmux (the pretentious upstart), it's a quick install and it's built in help (^b?) is eternally useful and it's options make more sense then screen (to me at least) Along with the Spanish Inquisition, there are three! Three! Three options: screen, tmux, and the native solution of virtual terminals via Alt+PFx switch. This even allows you to use the mouse-driven edit buffer (copy + paste), e. g. if you need to compose a command line using the examples listed in the man page. If you're accessing a system remotely, there is also the option of opening -- FOUR! Four options! -- the option of opening more than one connection to the remote system, and each of them in an own xterm (or KDE Konsole tab which I would say if I had been using KDE, but I haven't). Of course, this solution also allows you copy + paste operations. Other means of accessibility are provided by the window manager you're using. FIVE! Using a tiling window manager like xmonad, just open another xterm. Either share a workspace between them, or put one of them in a different workspace, depending on whether you like to be able to see both at the same time and/or have multiple monitors. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! :-) Yep, it's still a surprise, even after all these years. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpIbz7bWfdQZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Hi again. Firstly, many thanks for the responces to my questions. Much appreciated. Especialy as on other lesser forums (Lugs etc) I often get flamed for asking such stuff, and learn nothing as a result. OK. The FTP thing first Just for the heck of it, trying to use the built in server daemon, because it's there etc I've sort of got the default FTP server up and running thanks to the hints from you all, but pound to a penny, it's not optimaly configured, yet. I have two users defined, ral and faros (easy to remember, as they are the names of the two external automated systems I intend to have send data to the small website, when that's done.) Each with a unique password. Both are also members of a group webupdater. (As an asside, creating users, regardless of what shell I pick from the list, I get unknown root shell warnings as adduser completes.) Both users can connect to the ftp server (still stuck at port 21 for now, but I'm manually starting it from the root command line) and log in with their username and password. (Both can also login to the system from the console too, not what I wanted, but.. I did try the nologin shell, but that prevents them from loging in to the FTP server too.) However, each user see's it's own unique homedir folder, exactly as described in the man pages, but I'd like them to see the folder structure below by default. I have created a directory '/var/site' and from that some decendant directories that mimic the existing site on the other machine. /sitethe root folder for the FTP and WWW system. /site/60m /site/faros /site/faros/fixedimages /site/faros/parking I've been trying to use Groups, and the ftpchroot file, to get the users to see the /site directory as their root (for compatablility with the way things work on the other system, so I don't have to change existing batch and script files when I get to point them at this box) or their individual data directory 60m for ral and 'Faros' for Faros. However, the pages for that feature are a little thin in content detail that I can use. (I'm looking at the man pages and handbook files on the freebsd.org site) I have this in /etc/ftpchroot @webupdater /var/site And indeed, loging into the ftp server as either faros, or ral, the default directory is indeed the /site folder as I wish. As ftp users, then can traverse the tree downwards as needed, but not upwards from /site back to /var. Nice. But, neither user can read write or even see anything in those directories (only the decendant directories are visible.) Without that entry in ftpchroot, then I can indeed ftp stuff up/down/sideways to/from each user's home folder, but that's not a lot of use for what I want. I sort of understand the way the rights work (I think) but as yet I can't see a way to assign group rights to a folder tree. Navigating my way there in the console, if I do a ls -l, then I see what's sort of expected. drwxr-xr-x # root wheel 512 date time subfolder etc. (# is a number) (when logged in as root, somewhat less, when logged in as ral or faros, but I can still list and read stuff.) Of course, the group webupdater is not listed, hence it's users wont be able to see or do anything. What have I missed? Can I assign group rights to a folder structure? Or, am I going about this all wrong. Problems and unfamiliarity asside, I'm sort of enjoying all this. But it's a near vertical learning curve, again... Best regards, time for the kettle to start work I think. Dave B. PS: I saw somewhere, that pureftp has had some recent security troubles. Can't find the details right now though. Ah.. Here we are http://www.vuxml.org/freebsd/533d20e7-f71f-11df-9ae1-000bcdf0a03b.html Like yesterday! Mind you, looking at it's features and abilities, I think I already need a second FreeBSD machine to play with to check this stuff out on. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Two commands of interest here, 'chmod' and 'chown'. I'd highly suggest reading the manpage on both, but here's the short/quick-start version: chmod - used to change permissions for a file or directory - permissions are broken down into: 2=read, 4=write, 1=execute - permissions are displayed in group of three, corresponding to owner-group-everyone else - so chmod 666 means make owner,group,everyone each able to read(2) plus write(4) (2+4=6) - the first number indicating the owner of the files permission, the second the group, and the last everyone - so when you noted seeing drwxr-xr-x - that's 755 (owner read+write+execute(7), group read+execute (5), everyone else
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On 25 Nov 2010 at 9:42, Nathan Vidican wrote: Trimmed... Two commands of interest here, 'chmod' and 'chown'. I'd highly suggest reading the manpage on both, but here's the short/quick-start version: chmod - used to change permissions for a file or directory - permissions are broken down into: 2=read, 4=write, 1=execute - permissions are displayed in group of three, corresponding to owner-group-everyone else - so chmod 666 means make owner,group,everyone each able to read(2) plus write(4) (2+4=6) - the first number indicating the owner of the files permission, the second the group, and the last everyone - so when you noted seeing drwxr-xr-x - that's 755 (owner read+write+execute(7), group read+execute (5), everyone else read+execute(5) - in order for a user to 'cd' to a directory, the execute permission must be set - to answer your original question then, chmod 775 dir_name would then change the permissions to that the group can write as well chown - used to change ownership of a file or directory - can change owner, or group ownership - syntax is chown user:group dir_name As far as the FTP thing goes, you need to make sure that the shell you assign the user is listed in /etc/shells - that's what the system 'standard' ftpd is looking for. -- Nathan Vidican nat...@vidican.com Thanks Nathan. Following your lead, and after some more reading, I seem to have it working as I want. That execute permission bit, is a doozie. If you hadn't said it's needed for the user (or group member) to be able to 'cd' to that directory, I'd have been there for hours. Lots is written about the 'x' bit, and allowing execution of a file, but not that it affects the ability to even use that directory. I guess in this context, using = executing, so it sort of makes sense. I did find though, that the -R switch, doesn't always cause chmod to alter sub directories in the way one expects. One directory at a time then, but job done. It appears too, that if one of the group members then creates a new direcory, that inherits the permissions of the parent directory. Next task, to get the ftp server to work on another port. I might just quit while ahead, and go up the pub though, and leave that till tomorrow. Thanks again. Dave. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 20:00:21 -, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Lots is written about the 'x' bit, and allowing execution of a file, but not that it affects the ability to even use that directory. I guess in this context, using = executing, so it sort of makes sense. It is written lots and nicely explained in man chmod, where you can read: 0100For files, allow execution by owner. For directories, allow the owner to search in the directory. 0010For files, allow execution by group members. For directo- ries, allow group members to search in the directory 0001For files, allow execution by others. For directories allow others to search in the directory. The 1 part of the octal masks refers to the x attribute. In relation to directories, it means search, which you can also see when using the find program: Directories that are not +x cannot be searched. It appears too, that if one of the group members then creates a new direcory, that inherits the permissions of the parent directory. You can set default permissions for file creation using the umask builtin (e. g. for csh, the default dialog shell); see the man csh for details. Next task, to get the ftp server to work on another port. I might just quit while ahead, and go up the pub though, and leave that till tomorrow. That's easy: See the -P option explained in man ftpd. Also see /etc/defaults/rc.conf which mentions ftpd_flags. Remember: This is FreeBSD, we have excellent manpages and other good documentation. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 08:41:17PM -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: [...] Have a FTP server, so I can automate some of the web page graphics updates, from other systems that generate the data, and can FTP files across the LAN, also of course for general web page maintenance needs. The base system ftpd is run from inetd, a super server which can serve several small protocols. Have a look at /etc/inetd.conf. The first real line: #ftp stream tcp nowait root/usr/libexec/ftpd ftpd -l Uncomment that (remove the 'hash'), and save it (you'll have to be root again, of course). An easier solutions would be to enable the ftp server in standalone mode via /etc/rc.conf: ftpd_enable=YES -- Jonathan Chen j...@chen.org.nz -- The reason why worry kills more people than work is that more people worry than work. - Robert Frost ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Allow me to answer some of your questions without begin too
precise about the whole picture, because I just can't speak
about all aspects due to lack of experience. :-)
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:55:51 -, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote:
I'd like to:-
Have a ssh login via LAN available, I believe that's a standard feature,
but I expressedly disabled that (well, told it not to implement it) when
I orignaly installed the OS.
The SSH functionality is provided by
sshd_enable=YES
in /etc/rc.conf; upon reboot or
/etc/rc.d/sshd start
the server gets activated. If no keys are present, they are
generated at first startup. You can also provide your own set
of keys if you already have some. See
man sshd
for details.
Have a small web server, again I've read that Apache can do a good job,
but I don't want (nor need) all it's facilities, in particular I need to
lock it down so no Put's can happen for a start! The web pages are
simple flat form, text and static graphics, with a little client side
scripting, purely to find the client's local date and time, to select the
graphic to serve.
Well, lighttpd comes to my mind, although there are some others
that are really good at this simple stuff. Reducing things to
a working and functional minimum isn't as easy as it sounds. :-)
Have a FTP server, so I can automate some of the web page graphics
updates, from other systems that generate the data, and can FTP files
across the LAN, also of course for general web page maintenance needs.
The system brings an FTP server. You can enable it by uncommenting
the entry
ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/ftpd ftpd -ll
in /etc/inetd.conf. With this approach, the system's inetd controls
the communication to the server program.
You'll notice that THIS line has ftpd -ll (ell ell) instead of just
one -l. This is intended for log purposes. Add the line
!ftpd
*.* /var/log/ftpd.log
to /etc/syslog.conf and
touch /var/log/ftpd.log
to create a log file for the FTP server. This can help you to
spot misbehaviour either on server or client side.
That sounds in the face of things what I want, but am unsure of the
implications of doing that. Is it better (ie, easier for a novice to
manage) than the native OS based FTP server tool? I would preffer to
have FTP login's that are in no way related to any system login users.
In order to disallow system level accounts for FTP, use the file
/etc/ftpusers: This file contains the accounts that are NOT allowed
to make an FTP connection. Put root and toor (UID 0 accounts)
on top. Also put ftp there - this is the anonymous FTP user
which I think you do NOT want to work.
Also, consider using scp for file transfers, it's often much more
convenient, allthough I like
ftp -u ftp://$(FTPUSER):$(FTPPASSWD)@$(SERVER) ${FILES}
for shoving new stuff onto the the web server with FTP server. :-)
There's nothing wrong with system's FTP in my opinion, as long as
you know what it's actually doing (and how), and you can see the
implications to consider to your particular needs and security
requirements.
Of all the stuff I've read so far in the FreeBSD handbook, and a few
other places, not one mention is made (that I can see so far) of how to
set services for alternative port numbers?
In the documentation of that services (FTP, SSH for example) you
can specify alternative ports, e. g. -p port for sshd which can
be set via sshd_flags= in the /etc/rc.conf file. It's always a good
idea to look through the man pages of the programs you use. The
system's program ALL do come with a good manpage - software from
ports not always provides that quality.
Unless there is a compelling argument to, I'd prefer to stick with V8.0
too.
I don't see a problem with that. Unlike most other operating systems,
you can always use FreeBSD on old-fashioned hardware. For example,
I have a 150 MHz P1 with 128 MB here doing some simple in-house
server stuff - it currently runs 8.0 (and will soon receive an
update using freebsd-update, a tool that will allow you to keep
your system on a current state even if you don't want to run big
compile orgies on it).
PS: I run one of these
http://www.ncdxf.org/beacon/monitors.html
Greetings es 73 de JO52TD ryryryry ...-.- :-)
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
Hi again. Firstly, many thanks for the responces to my questions. Much appreciated. Especialy as on other lesser forums (Lugs etc) I often get flamed for asking such stuff, and learn nothing as a result. OK. The FTP thing first Just for the heck of it, trying to use the built in server daemon, because it's there etc I've sort of got the default FTP server up and running thanks to the hints from you all, but pound to a penny, it's not optimaly configured, yet. I have two users defined, ral and faros (easy to remember, as they are the names of the two external automated systems I intend to have send data to the small website, when that's done.) Each with a unique password. Both are also members of a group webupdater. (As an asside, creating users, regardless of what shell I pick from the list, I get unknown root shell warnings as adduser completes.) Both users can connect to the ftp server (still stuck at port 21 for now, but I'm manually starting it from the root command line) and log in with their username and password. (Both can also login to the system from the console too, not what I wanted, but.. I did try the nologin shell, but that prevents them from loging in to the FTP server too.) However, each user see's it's own unique homedir folder, exactly as described in the man pages, but I'd like them to see the folder structure below by default. I have created a directory '/var/site' and from that some decendant directories that mimic the existing site on the other machine. /sitethe root folder for the FTP and WWW system. /site/60m /site/faros /site/faros/fixedimages /site/faros/parking I've been trying to use Groups, and the ftpchroot file, to get the users to see the /site directory as their root (for compatablility with the way things work on the other system, so I don't have to change existing batch and script files when I get to point them at this box) or their individual data directory 60m for ral and 'Faros' for Faros. However, the pages for that feature are a little thin in content detail that I can use. (I'm looking at the man pages and handbook files on the freebsd.org site) I have this in /etc/ftpchroot @webupdater /var/site And indeed, loging into the ftp server as either faros, or ral, the default directory is indeed the /site folder as I wish. As ftp users, then can traverse the tree downwards as needed, but not upwards from /site back to /var. Nice. But, neither user can read write or even see anything in those directories (only the decendant directories are visible.) Without that entry in ftpchroot, then I can indeed ftp stuff up/down/sideways to/from each user's home folder, but that's not a lot of use for what I want. I sort of understand the way the rights work (I think) but as yet I can't see a way to assign group rights to a folder tree. Navigating my way there in the console, if I do a ls -l, then I see what's sort of expected. drwxr-xr-x # root wheel 512 date time subfolder etc. (# is a number) (when logged in as root, somewhat less, when logged in as ral or faros, but I can still list and read stuff.) Of course, the group webupdater is not listed, hence it's users wont be able to see or do anything. What have I missed? Can I assign group rights to a folder structure? Or, am I going about this all wrong. Problems and unfamiliarity asside, I'm sort of enjoying all this. But it's a near vertical learning curve, again... Best regards, time for the kettle to start work I think. Dave B. PS: I saw somewhere, that pureftp has had some recent security troubles. Can't find the details right now though. Ah.. Here we are http://www.vuxml.org/freebsd/533d20e7-f71f-11df-9ae1-000bcdf0a03b.html Like yesterday! Mind you, looking at it's features and abilities, I think I already need a second FreeBSD machine to play with to check this stuff out on. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
If I've not already done so. Hi. Sorry, this goes on a bit New to FreeBSD, but long time served PC nut and user, from the before DOS days onwards... I've not long ago put together a small FreeBSD V8.0 system, primeraly as a GPS derrived NTP server, following instructions from here:- http://blog.doylenet.net/?p=145 The hardware is a small form desktop PC, with a P3/700 CPU, 15G drive, but only (at the moment) 256M of RAM. I have not installed any of the X system, it's all command line stuff, only. It seems to work well, no issues with that, at the moment. In my original plans, I wanted a headless appliance, and that's what I've got, and as above it works fine. However, I'd like to move some services off another PC (that is in dire need of some hardware maintenance) onto this one, and though I've read some of the Handbook, and many links from it, I'm still a bit unsure as to what best to do. I'd like to:- Have a ssh login via LAN available, I believe that's a standard feature, but I expressedly disabled that (well, told it not to implement it) when I orignaly installed the OS. Or have a VNC server running. Have a small web server, again I've read that Apache can do a good job, but I don't want (nor need) all it's facilities, in particular I need to lock it down so no Put's can happen for a start! The web pages are simple flat form, text and static graphics, with a little client side scripting, purely to find the client's local date and time, to select the graphic to serve. Have a FTP server, so I can automate some of the web page graphics updates, from other systems that generate the data, and can FTP files across the LAN, also of course for general web page maintenance needs. It'd be nice to have a VPN endpoint, but not esential, as that is currently living on another W2k box. But in the long term perhaps. The only complication with that, is I need to be able to tunnel a UDP VoIP stream over/throug it. (I currently use Hamachi on Windows for that, it works well.) Also, the other end needs to live on a XP (or later) Laptop. I have done all that on Win2k, Using FileZilla server, and over time various web server app's, plus some 3rd party free VPN solutions on another machine, but that machine is in dire need of a major hardware overhaul, plus I have other plans for it when that is done, so moving the server tools to the F'BSD box seem like a good idea at the moment. I've just spent a couple of hours with the FreeBSD on-line manual (Handbook) trying to get a simple FTP server working, but in all honesty, I'm out of my depth with that, in some ways, not enough detail, in other ways, too much detail. (A very simple worked example of the various .conf files would be nice to see.) I've found:- http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=591 That sounds in the face of things what I want, but am unsure of the implications of doing that. Is it better (ie, easier for a novice to manage) than the native OS based FTP server tool? I would preffer to have FTP login's that are in no way related to any system login users. Lastly, I have everything so far (on the Win2k box) working well with highly non standard (high numbered) ports. Even thoug it's exposed (via port forwarding in the router) to the outside, there is next to no noise, (script kiddies, chinese hackers etc) poking arround my back passage. Of all the stuff I've read so far in the FreeBSD handbook, and a few other places, not one mention is made (that I can see so far) of how to set services for alternative port numbers? Lastly, as I don't want to break the existing NTP server, I may find another PC of similar spec, to mess with, witn some sort of impunity. Unless there is a compelling argument to, I'd prefer to stick with V8.0 too. Advice please (and perhaps a little hand holding.) Cheers. Dave B. PS: I run one of these http://www.ncdxf.org/beacon/monitors.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
I'd like to:- Have a ssh login via LAN available, I believe that's a standard feature, but I expressedly disabled that (well, told it not to implement it) when I orignaly installed the OS. Or have a VNC server running. Add the following line: sshd_enable=YES to file /etc/rc.conf . ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On Tuesday 23 November 2010 13:55:51 Dave wrote: SNIP Have a small web server, again I've read that Apache can do a good job, but I don't want (nor need) all it's facilities, in particular I need to lock it down so no Put's can happen for a start! The web pages are simple flat form, text and static graphics, with a little client side scripting, purely to find the client's local date and time, to select the graphic to serve. Two good choices for a lightweight webserver would be: www/cherokee Easy to configure www/lighttpd Also lightweight and easy to configure Have a FTP server, so I can automate some of the web page graphics updates, from other systems that generate the data, and can FTP files across the LAN, also of course for general web page maintenance needs. ftp/proftpd Cheers Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - be...@freebsd.org /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://people.freebsd.org/~beech X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Skype: akbeech / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/8.0R/announce.html --- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
Dave wrote: Hi. Sorry ... snip Hello, and welcome. And I made it a bit shorter ;-) I'd like to:- Have a ssh login via LAN available, I believe that's a standard feature, but I expressedly disabled that (well, told it not to implement it) when I orignaly installed the OS. Or have a VNC server running. As someone mentioned: sshd_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf. You can then either a] reboot, or b] issue the following with root privileges: /etc/rc.d/sshd start Have a small web server, again I've read that Apache can do a good job, but I don't want (nor need) all it's facilities, in particular I need to lock it down so no Put's can happen for a start! The web pages are simple flat form, text and static graphics, with a little client side scripting, purely to find the client's local date and time, to select the graphic to serve. I believe Beech had some advice on this. It's probably pretty good :-) Have a FTP server, so I can automate some of the web page graphics updates, from other systems that generate the data, and can FTP files across the LAN, also of course for general web page maintenance needs. The base system ftpd is run from inetd, a super server which can serve several small protocols. Have a look at /etc/inetd.conf. The first real line: #ftp stream tcp nowait root/usr/libexec/ftpd ftpd -l Uncomment that (remove the 'hash'), and save it (you'll have to be root again, of course). See if inetd is running: $ pgrep inetd If you get a number(PID), it's running. Otherwise, you'll probably need to enable it. Again, you need: inetd_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf. Add the line and either a] reboot, or b] issue the following with root privileges: /etc/rc.d/inetd start Sound familiar? *IF* inetd was *already running*, all you should have to do is issue: $ kill -HUP `pgrep inetd` It'd be nice to have a VPN endpoint, but not esential, as that is currently living on another W2k box. But in the long term perhaps. The only complication with that, is I need to be able to tunnel a UDP VoIP stream over/throug it. (I currently use Hamachi on Windows for that, it works well.) Also, the other end needs to live on a XP (or later) Laptop. I'll leave vpn to someone more knowledgeable in that area. AFAIK you'll have to install a port; /usr/ports/security/openvpn is likely the canonical program, but, as I say, seek other advice on that fo' shizzle ;-) I would preffer to have FTP login's that are in no way related to any system login users. I can't help with that either; check the docs on Beech's suggestions, perhaps. Lastly, I have everything so far (on the Win2k box) working well with highly non standard (high numbered) ports. Even thoug it's exposed (via port forwarding in the router) to the outside, there is next to no noise, (script kiddies, chinese hackers etc) poking arround my back passage. Of all the stuff I've read so far in the FreeBSD handbook, and a few other places, not one mention is made (that I can see so far) of how to set services for alternative port numbers? That's generally in the configuration file for the server. This information might be available in the manpage, if one exists. For example: $man sshd | col -bx ~/sshd.txt $ grep -c port ~/sshd.txt 22 So, there's at least 22 mentions of port in the sshd manpage. As it turns out, there's a line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config that gives it right away: $ grep -i port /etc/ssh/sshd_config #Port 22 # Disable legacy (protocol version 1) support in the server for new #GatewayPorts no So, remove the comment from the Port 22 line, change the number from the default 22 (222, perhaps, for memory's sake?) and either a] reboot, or b] kill -HUP `pgrep sshd` (sounding REAL familiar now). Incidentally, one might suggest that running on non-standard ports is merely security by obscurity. In the case of sshd, at least, a better solution might be to only allow key-based authentication; but, as I said, that's just a suggestion. I have done such things myself a time or two ... I kinda think I just delayed the inevitable in that case, though. Lastly, as I don't want to break the existing NTP server, I may find another PC of similar spec, to mess with, witn some sort of impunity. Well, as I mention, often you can enable and start these additional services from the base system with little or no interruption to extant services at all (which, IMHO, is exactly as a Real Server should work, take that, M$). But I suppose we'd certainly understand. You might even just get a Live-CD distribution and dink around with that. AFAIK, you could run ftpd, inetd, and sshd temporarily on those just to get a feel for how to administer them. My $0.02, Kevin D. Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to
Re: new user questions. (Before I back myself into a corner!)
On Tue 23 Nov 2010 at 17:43:32 PST Beech Rintoul wrote: On Tuesday 23 November 2010 13:55:51 Dave wrote: SNIP Have a small web server, again I've read that Apache can do a good job, but I don't want (nor need) all it's facilities, in particular I need to lock it down so no Put's can happen for a start! The web pages are simple flat form, text and static graphics, with a little client side scripting, purely to find the client's local date and time, to select the graphic to serve. Two good choices for a lightweight webserver would be: www/cherokee Easy to configure www/lighttpd Also lightweight and easy to configure Another good one is www/hiawatha - fast, secure, easy to configure Despite popular misimpressions, there are many more webservers out there besides Apache and IIS. It will probably be well worth your time, Dave, to spend some time at freshports.org, browsing the www category. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
Hi Roland, many thanks for the response!!! :-) I waited until I had a test server setup and at least now I do.. In fact I think from my usage perspective FreeBSD is not that difficult to understand!!! I now have a test machine setup which I built nano and Bind 9.6.1 from the ports collection and I have ntp and nfs setup too. I am currently wondering what to do about the disk space as nothing is used: test# df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 34G1.2G 30G 4%/ devfs 1.0K1.0K 0B 100%/dev devfs 1.0K1.0K 0B 100%/var/named/dev If I create separate partitions for /var /usr and /tmp I am sure that I won't need that much unless I have a totally dynamic file system which will grow over time. But with minimal usage just to transfer the off file but mainly read files from as now the users are going down to 1 machine (just me) so I think with 2GB I can probably get away with it for each filesystem??? What do you say? Many thanks to everyone else that responded to this thread/post all your help and advice has been much appreciated! Regards, Kaya P.s. The good part with this is that I'm only using 23MB or memory too which is incredible considering that Linux or Solaris would take so much more. This is kinda cool.. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
Just to give a quick overview of what is being used currently: test# du -sch etc 1.7Metc 1.7Mtotal test# du -sch var 1.0Mvar 1.0Mtotal test# du -sch tmp 10Ktmp 10Ktotal test# du -sch usr 1.0Gusr 1.0Gtotal I think I could get away with 500MB for /var and /tmp and have /usr as 2 or 3GB?? What's everyone's verdict? Also I didn't realize and forgot to mention before that NFS on BSD won't export /home but instead exports the link in /usr/home. as I had issues with bad exports line /home in /var/log/messages! In addition I edited my rc.conf file to include these extra lines as per Google; what's everyone's opinion on them though as I'm a little unsure of what they do (indicated with *): inetd_enable=YES keymap=us.iso nfs_server_enable=YES *nfs_server_flags=-u -t -n 4 rpcbind_enable=YES *rpcbind_flags=-r sshd_enable=YES named_enable=YES mountd_enable=YES ntpd_enable=YES Finally for Bind I don't get why everything has been stuffed into named.conf??? In terms of all root servers etc Linux is very different in that a separate dir is created with separate file for root servers. Is there any particular reason for this?? --Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 11:41:04PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: Hi Roland, many thanks for the response!!! :-) You're welcome! I waited until I had a test server setup and at least now I do.. In fact I think from my usage perspective FreeBSD is not that difficult to understand!!! If you're used to Solaris of Linux, it should be familiar. But there are some differences in details. I now have a test machine setup which I built nano and Bind 9.6.1 from the ports collection and I have ntp and nfs setup too. I am currently wondering what to do about the disk space as nothing is used: test# df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 34G1.2G 30G 4%/ devfs 1.0K1.0K 0B 100%/dev devfs 1.0K1.0K 0B 100%/var/named/dev If I create separate partitions for /var /usr and /tmp I am sure that I won't need that much unless I have a totally dynamic file system which will grow over time. You do realize that changing partitions will destroy your filesystems? Just so you know. :-) But with minimal usage just to transfer the off file but mainly read files from as now the users are going down to 1 machine (just me) so I think with 2GB I can probably get away with it for each filesystem??? What do you say? It really depends on what you want to do with it... How many ports do you want to install? What kind of servers do you want to run? How much data will the users generate/store? All these questions have an impact, and nobody can answer them for you. :-) You could leave it as it is for now, and just use the machine for a while, and see how big the different directories get over time. (hint; use du(1) to check the size of all files under a directory) Once you've got a feeling for how much space you need, you can backup your data (config files and user data) and do a new install where you partition the disk properly. That's the best way IMO. P.s. The good part with this is that I'm only using 23MB or memory too which is incredible considering that Linux or Solaris would take so much more. This is kinda cool.. You can reduce memory usage somewhat more by building a kernel that only contains the drivers that you need compiled in, and nothing else. If you don't build kernel modules, it will save some disk space as well. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpY7I6WIYC7K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:49:31PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: Hi guys, I attempted an install of 7.2 stable on my laptop and subsequently installed X11also. Now I didn't have any Xorg.conf file but each time I tried to start X from the CLI using the normal startx command (read the documentation through fully beforehand) but I didn't manage to get the mouse or keyboard to even work let alone starting the Gnome2 interface. Beside the two daemons others refered to, you sould also edit ~/.initrc and ~/xsession. For me both have the line: 'exec startkde'. Thats the command to start kde. I am looking to setup a small file server which I will use as DNS and NTP server also. The reason for selecting FreeBSD is that the system I about to install onto doesn't have much memory (not sure how much but probably in the region of 300-500MB perhaps) and although Linux would definitely suite this kind of system as Solaris needs round 2GB or so for OpenSolaris, I am quite interested to learn FreeBSD but also take advantage of the ZFS file system which is standard now in version 8. I would stick with UFS of UFS2. The latter if you don't intent to share them with *BSD. As I understand ZFS uses quite a lot more resources. If I wanted to something with RAID I might still use it, but even so still would use UFS to the system slices. If you low on disk space you can reduce this. I have used 256M for / in the past but would advise against this. You would need something like 8G for /usr. But may need to raise that by 5G if you build ports. I have larger /temp of 7G, but also build ports there. If you build Java it would need a least 4G. I won't be installing a GUI on this machine since it is going to be a server so I would like to know if BSD has a small footprint memory and CPU wise for me to run on the machine in question which is a PIV? It's not a problem. The footprint depends more on the ports you like to run. Also just to make sure: NFS, Samba, NTPd, and ISC's Bind are all supported on FreeBSD aren't they?? Some come with the system, others you have to install. -- Alex Please copy the original recipients, otherwise I may not read your reply. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 04:20:10PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Kaya Saman kayasa...@optiplex-networks.com Running with no xorg.conf is fine, but you need to make sure dbus and hal are started at boot. Follow the handbook for best results. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html How come? The keybord and mouse work for me without on a simple shell. -- Alex Please copy the original recipients, otherwise I may not read your reply. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 05:04:52PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Kaya Saman samank...@netscape.net wrote: Also if something goes wrong with the filesystem what are the tools to check the drive and repair errors as in Linux I use e2fsck followed by device ID. Example after a dirty shutdown: fsck -y FreeBSD 7 and up is able to do a lot of this on the background: fsck -yB Adding the line 'fsck_y_enable=YES' to /etc/rc.conf will run fsck -y if the initial preen fails -- Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
Alex de Kruijff wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 05:04:52PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Kaya Saman samank...@netscape.net wrote: Also if something goes wrong with the filesystem what are the tools to check the drive and repair errors as in Linux I use e2fsck followed by device ID. Example after a dirty shutdown: fsck -y FreeBSD 7 and up is able to do a lot of this on the background: fsck -yB Adding the line 'fsck_y_enable=YES' to /etc/rc.conf will run fsck -y if the initial preen fails Many thanks guys for all the advice :-) It is really appreciated! Sorry haven't snipped more stuff into this mail but things are a bit hectic here but what I will say is this; in a few hours once the BSD 8 DVD ISO comes in I will attempt an install and have a look at what's what. The server will be constructed first and then I will look at the GUI environment with Vbox. I reckon the proposed disk usage spec from the FreeBSD hand book should suffice though shouldn't it?? With a larger HD I would normally do something like 15 - 25GB / (root) partition and the rest for /home with round 1.5 - 3GB for swap. Now my HD is round 40GB so I will do a minimal install and try to maximize the /home slice! As result only services I will run are DNS, NTP, SAMBA and NFS. I suppose I could get away with something like 2GB for / which would then contain /tmp, /etc, /root, /boot etc. Only 2 machines will be connected, my uncles Win XP box and my Linux/Solaris system. --Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 05:19:54PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: Many thanks guys for all the advice :-) It is really appreciated! Sorry haven't snipped more stuff into this mail but things are a bit hectic here but what I will say is this; in a few hours once the BSD 8 DVD ISO comes in I will attempt an install and have a look at what's what. The server will be constructed first and then I will look at the GUI environment with Vbox. I reckon the proposed disk usage spec from the FreeBSD hand book should suffice though shouldn't it?? IMO the root slice is too small in the handbook. You should make it 2GB, since you've got the space. With a larger HD I would normally do something like 15 - 25GB / (root) partition and the rest for /home with round 1.5 - 3GB for swap. Now my HD is round 40GB so I will do a minimal install and try to maximize the /home slice! As result only services I will run are DNS, NTP, SAMBA and NFS. What is not unusual is to symlink /home e.g: # ln -s /usr/home /home ditto for /tmp. i.e you remove all the stuff that uses up space from the root partition. So the only slices you need are /, /usr, /var and swap. How I'd slice up the disk: 2GB for / 2GB for swap 2GB for /var 34GB for /usr I suppose I could get away with something like 2GB for / which would then contain /tmp, /etc, /root, /boot etc. Should be OK but /tmp symlinked to /usr/tmp as some things can really fill up /tmp. For example, IIRC OpenOffice needs gigs of temp space to build. Only 2 machines will be connected, my uncles Win XP box and my Linux/Solaris system. Should work fine. Just remember to make your /home and /tmp symlinks as soon as you first boot up. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
[...] What is not unusual is to symlink /home e.g: # ln -s /usr/home /home ditto for /tmp. i.e you remove all the stuff that uses up space from the root partition. So the only slices you need are /, /usr, /var and swap. How I'd slice up the disk: 2GB for / 2GB for swap 2GB for /var 34GB for /usr Ah so BSD is slightly different from Linux in the fact that it needs to have /var and /usr filesystems separate?? I guess it must be similar to the way Solaris handles things when UFS based (not ZFS). The /home partition then is very similar to Solaris in that /export/home is considered the user directory. Means BSD stores /home in /usr/home?? Should be OK but /tmp symlinked to /usr/tmp as some things can really fill up /tmp. For example, IIRC OpenOffice needs gigs of temp space to build. OpenOffice or IIRC is for GUI based usage and not CLI. Since this will be a simple server no GUI or work will be done on the machine itself in terms of keyboard/mouse setup. Normally I work through SSH so will be much easier once I have network connectivity up and running after initial install :-) Should work fine. Just remember to make your /home and /tmp symlinks as soon as you first boot up. Regards, Thanks!!! --Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Kaya Saman wrote: How I'd slice up the disk: 2GB for / 2GB for swap 2GB for /var 34GB for /usr Ah so BSD is slightly different from Linux in the fact that it needs to have /var and /usr filesystems separate?? It's not required, it's just nice to do if the disk space is available. You can allocate the whole disk to /. With all the free space in one filesystem, that's useful for small disks (under 8G, I'd say). Keeping the filesystems separate provides some versatility at the expense of splitting up the free space. dump(8)ing a 300M / or a 100M /var is a lot easier than a 100G whole disk. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 06:37:25PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: [...] What is not unusual is to symlink /home e.g: # ln -s /usr/home /home ditto for /tmp. i.e you remove all the stuff that uses up space from the root partition. So the only slices you need are /, /usr, /var and swap. How I'd slice up the disk: 2GB for / 2GB for swap 2GB for /var 34GB for /usr Ah so BSD is slightly different from Linux in the fact that it needs to have /var and /usr filesystems separate?? You can have /var on the same slice but because it's a filesystem that's constantly being read written to it's usual to keep it separate from your static partitions. I guess it must be similar to the way Solaris handles things when UFS based (not ZFS). The /home partition then is very similar to Solaris in that /export/home is considered the user directory. Means BSD stores /home in /usr/home?? Again, it's just a common practice. Due to the PC BIOS, IIRC you're restricted to 4 slices. Should be OK but /tmp symlinked to /usr/tmp as some things can really fill up /tmp. For example, IIRC OpenOffice needs gigs of temp space to build. OpenOffice or IIRC is for GUI based usage and not CLI. Since this will be a simple server no GUI or work will be done on the machine itself in terms of keyboard/mouse setup. Normally I work through SSH so will be much easier once I have network connectivity up and running after initial install :-) OK. You may want to make /tmp a separate slice. You can always make it a symlink into /usr at a latter date if you repurpose the machine. You would find that FreeBSD works quite well as a workstation even with that limited hardware. Should work fine. Just remember to make your /home and /tmp symlinks as soon as you first boot up. Regards, Thanks!!! BTW, you mentioned you were going to use packages. If I were you I'd build from source. It's less problematic in my experience and since FreeBSD multitasks so well it's not much of a pain. You've got plenty of room for the ports tree. Best of luck with your installation! Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 04:27:11PM +, Frank Shute wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 05:19:54PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: Many thanks guys for all the advice :-) It is really appreciated! ... I reckon the proposed disk usage spec from the FreeBSD hand book should suffice though shouldn't it?? IMO the root slice is too small in the handbook. You should make it 2GB, since you've got the space. First of all, you are mixing up your terminology. You do not mean 'slice' here. The unit used for root or any other filesystem in a non-dangerously-dedicated disk is called a partition. Partitions divisions of slices and are identified as a..h with c reserved for the system and by convention (and expectation of some pieces of software) 'a' is for the bootable OS partition (root) and 'b' is used for swap. In FreeBSD, partitions reside inside of slices. A slice is essentially the same thing as a DOS primary partition and is the initial (primary) division of a disk. A disk drive may have up to four slices identified as 1..4 and each may be made bootable or not and contain different OSen or OS versions. If a disk is only to be used for a single installation of FreeBSD, it is most common to define just one slice which encompasses the whole drive, leaving the other three slices empty and unused. (It is also common to define a 'dangerously dedicated' disk, but that is a different discussion issue than that being addressed here) In FreeBSD, slices are defined and created by the FreeBSD fdisk program, though a number of other partition management utilities can be used and FreeBSD seems to be moving to a new one too. In FreeBSD, one uses bsdlabel(8) to create partitions within a slice. Each slice can have up to 8 identified as a..h, but the 'c' partition is reserved and must be left unused. We use common names associated with partitions, such as / (root) /usr, /var, /home, etc. Those are essentially directories that are 'linked' to a partition by the mount system. You create a mount point using the mkdir(1) command and then link using mount(8). The 'a' partition becomes root because it gets mounted to the / mount point. Now, on to divvying up the disk. I agree that the root partition listed in the handbook is anciently too small. But, I don't see what you need 2GB for unless you put everything (/usr, /var, etc) in it. Since you are defining those separately, root really only needs about a half GigaByte. I am running a little low on one machine with 1/3 GB in root, but still going. I also create a partition for /tmp to keep it isolated from the other filesystems, in case something runs wild. With a larger HD I would normally do something like 15 - 25GB / (root) partition and the rest for /home with round 1.5 - 3GB for swap. Now my HD is round 40GB so I will do a minimal install and try to maximize the /home slice! As result only services I will run are DNS, NTP, SAMBA and NFS. What is not unusual is to symlink /home e.g: # ln -s /usr/home /home ditto for /tmp. i.e you remove all the stuff that uses up space from the root partition. So the only slices you need are /, /usr, /var and swap. How I'd slice up the disk: 2GB for / 2GB for swap 2GB for /var 34GB for /usr I suppose I could get away with something like 2GB for / which would then contain /tmp, /etc, /root, /boot etc. My suggestion is more like: partition mount point Size a/ 512 MegaBytes (1/2 GByte) bswap 2048 MBytes (2 GBytes) d/tmp 512 MBytes e/usr 4096 MBytes f/var 4096 MBytes g/home 29 GB (eg all of the rest of the disk) If you are running a database, you will want /var to be larger or to move things in to that /home file system. I actually use a different mount point name than /home because /home is assumed for other things in some howto-s hanging around. I also move and symlink /usr/local /usr/ports /usr/src and sometimes /var/spool in to that '/home' filesystem and then make the actual /usr and /var only half the above sizes and increase the space in '/home' (33 GB) so they can grow there more easily. Things in a well running system do not grow so much in /tmp and if something does go wild and spew out a lot of stuff, you really want to notice it before it gobbles up 30GB of space, so you need enough /tmp to run easily, but do not want huge amounts. Thus, putting /tmp in its own limited partition is a bit of a protection. All users' login (home) directories and web content go in that '/home' filesystem too, where they can grow without having to redo disk later. In spite of the name that seems to suggest it, I never put users' home directories in /usr. It may have begun that way back in the
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 06:37:25PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: [...] What is not unusual is to symlink /home e.g: # ln -s /usr/home /home ditto for /tmp. i.e you remove all the stuff that uses up space from the root partition. So the only slices you need are /, /usr, /var and swap. How I'd slice up the disk: 2GB for / 2GB for swap 2GB for /var 34GB for /usr Ah so BSD is slightly different from Linux in the fact that it needs to have /var and /usr filesystems separate?? It doesn't _need_ to have separate filesystems. It is just convenient. If you want to stick everything (apart from swap) on a single / partition, you can do so. If that is wise is another thing. :-) If your server will never hold much data (e.g. just a router/firewall) it would probably be fine. It depends on the use you want to put the machine to, and if/where you expect to store a lot of stuff. For my desktop I tend to put /home on a separate partition because that is where most of my data is. For a server I would put the big directories where the data is stored on separate partitions. E.g. the DocumentRoot for your Apache webserver. Or whereever the place is where an SQL server stores its data. The /home partition then is very similar to Solaris in that /export/home is considered the user directory. Means BSD stores /home in /usr/home?? If you don't make a separate /home partition, sysinstall will indeed default to making /home a symlink to /usr/home, AFAIK. For my desktop, with around 450 ports installed, I have the following lay-out; Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad4s1a484M 93M353M21%/ /dev/ad4s1g.eli373G168G175G49%/home /dev/ad4s1e 48G198K 45G 0%/tmp /dev/ad4s1f 19G5.8G 12G32%/usr /dev/ad4s1d1.9G226M1.6G12%/var For swap space (/dev/ad4s1b), I reserved 2x the size of the RAM. The 'Used' column should give you an idea of the minimum space needed for different filesystems. Keep in mind that disk space is relatively cheap, and it is much better to have lots of free space then to run out of space! This division makes it easy to use dump(8) for backup purposes of /, /usr and /var. I do this so it is easy to restore(8) to a functioning system, and keep the size of the dumps reasonably small, although /usr is getting prtty big. Maybe next time I will split off /usr/local (for ports) into a separate filesystem. For big filesystems dump(8) takes a long time and needs a lot of space. I prefer to back those up with rsync(1). Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpNOmODLW3A3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 06:37:25PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: [...] What is not unusual is to symlink /home e.g: # ln -s /usr/home /home ditto for /tmp. i.e you remove all the stuff that uses up space from the root partition. So the only slices you need are /, /usr, /var and swap. How I'd slice up the disk: 2GB for / 2GB for swap 2GB for /var 34GB for /usr Ah so BSD is slightly different from Linux in the fact that it needs to have /var and /usr filesystems separate?? No, it doesn't. In fact, technically you can put everything all in / (root), except for swap and you can even create a file in / for that in root if you have the bad judgement to do it that way. It is just a good idea to separate them if those filesystems are likely to grow a lot, such as when installing ports (/usr in /usr/ports and /usr/local) and when building a database (/var in /var/db) or something that spools a lot (/var in /var/spool). It provides a small amount of additional protection for the system. I guess it must be similar to the way Solaris handles things when UFS based (not ZFS). The /home partition then is very similar to Solaris in that /export/home is considered the user directory. Means BSD stores /home in /usr/home?? You can put it where you like. Just do your own links or make your own mounts in /etc/fstab. Should be OK but /tmp symlinked to /usr/tmp as some things can really fill up /tmp. For example, IIRC OpenOffice needs gigs of temp space to build. OpenOffice or IIRC is for GUI based usage and not CLI. Since this will be a simple server no GUI or work will be done on the machine itself in terms of keyboard/mouse setup. Normally I work through SSH so will be much easier once I have network connectivity up and running after initial install :-) So, use 'vi' or install 'vim' from ports and us it. Since 'vi' is always available, it becomes important to learn it and then it is second nature to use it. (actually, vi is not available in single user mode if you do not have /usr mounted, but I usually just put a copy in /bin and then it is always available) jerry Should work fine. Just remember to make your /home and /tmp symlinks as soon as you first boot up. Regards, Thanks!!! --Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Many thanks again for all suggestions! :-) [...] For my desktop, with around 450 ports installed, I have the following lay-out; Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad4s1a484M 93M353M21%/ /dev/ad4s1g.eli373G168G175G49%/home /dev/ad4s1e 48G198K 45G 0%/tmp /dev/ad4s1f 19G5.8G 12G32%/usr /dev/ad4s1d1.9G226M1.6G12%/var [...] Hmm... lot's of different pieces of advice rolling in now! I guess what I will do as I have a small hard disk for what I want to do which is to get rid of my music and few movies which are stored on my laptop currently, is create separate /, /tmp, /usr and /var. I propose which is similar to what Frank has suggested: / ~500M /tmp ~2GB /var ~2GB /usr ~2GB /home the rest but then Jerry has already suggested: partition mount point Size a/ 512 MegaBytes (1/2 GByte) bswap 2048 MBytes (2 GBytes) d/tmp 512 MBytes e/usr 4096 MBytes f/var 4096 MBytes g/home 29 GB (eg all of the rest of the disk) This could be ok I reckon as the 4GB partitions should be there as everyone has suggested for me to use ports and build from source! The reason why I preferred to use package manager was that on say Solaris it's pretty a much a pain having to install all the dependencies from Sun Freeware site. I mean what I will be installing if completely base install with just OS and nothing more like I mentioned before is Samba, NFS server/client, NTP, Nano as the quote below from Jerry using vi or vim is not my preferred text editor as I find them extremely difficult and a real pain to use. In addition I do not think this machine has a DVD drive either although I haven't fired up the Win build yet to transfer files but from what the drive says on the front of 52x looks like it's CD only :-( This means that I will need to download the minimal install CD and install the packages from there! For this reason the discussed packages above will need to be downloaded and installed my best guess is from source. Meaning I will need extra space in one of the filesystems but am unsure where the source gets stored?? My best guess would be /usr? Have setup the machine now and am almost at the point of attempted an install! :-) Guys the support has been really awsome and I highly appreciate everyones efforts to assist me! [quote] So, use 'vi' or install 'vim' from ports and us it. Since 'vi' is always available, it becomes important to learn it and then it is second nature to use it. (actually, vi is not available in single user mode if you do not have /usr mounted, but I usually just put a copy in /bin and then it is always available) [/quote] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:25:48PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 04:27:11PM +, Frank Shute wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 05:19:54PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: Many thanks guys for all the advice :-) It is really appreciated! ... I reckon the proposed disk usage spec from the FreeBSD hand book should suffice though shouldn't it?? IMO the root slice is too small in the handbook. You should make it 2GB, since you've got the space. First of all, you are mixing up your terminology. You do not mean 'slice' here. The unit used for root or any other filesystem in a non-dangerously-dedicated disk is called a partition. Partitions divisions of slices and are identified as a..h with c reserved for the system and by convention (and expectation of some pieces of software) 'a' is for the bootable OS partition (root) and 'b' is used for swap. You're correct. I thought they used a separate slice for the root partition. They don't. I usually do. In FreeBSD, partitions reside inside of slices. A slice is essentially the same thing as a DOS primary partition and is the initial (primary) division of a disk. A disk drive may have up to four slices identified as 1..4 and each may be made bootable or not and contain different OSen or OS versions. If a disk is only to be used for a single installation of FreeBSD, it is most common to define just one slice which encompasses the whole drive, leaving the other three slices empty and unused. (It is also common to define a 'dangerously dedicated' disk, but that is a different discussion issue than that being addressed here) In FreeBSD, slices are defined and created by the FreeBSD fdisk program, though a number of other partition management utilities can be used and FreeBSD seems to be moving to a new one too. In FreeBSD, one uses bsdlabel(8) to create partitions within a slice. Each slice can have up to 8 identified as a..h, but the 'c' partition is reserved and must be left unused. We use common names associated with partitions, such as / (root) /usr, /var, /home, etc. Those are essentially directories that are 'linked' to a partition by the mount system. You create a mount point using the mkdir(1) command and then link using mount(8). The 'a' partition becomes root because it gets mounted to the / mount point. Now, on to divvying up the disk. I agree that the root partition listed in the handbook is anciently too small. But, I don't see what you need 2GB for unless you put everything (/usr, /var, etc) in it. Since you are defining those separately, root really only needs about a half GigaByte. I am running a little low on one machine with 1/3 GB in root, but still going. I also create a partition for /tmp to keep it isolated from the other filesystems, in case something runs wild. I'm struggling with a 1GB / here: /dev/ad0s2a984524 657068 24869673%/ That's having removed /boot/kernel.old/ after running out of space during upgrading to 8.0 I can't see anything else I can delete. /home and /var are not on that slice. So I think it depends on how you upgrade your machine. E.g less room needed if you use freebsd-update (?) With a larger HD I would normally do something like 15 - 25GB / (root) partition and the rest for /home with round 1.5 - 3GB for swap. Now my HD is round 40GB so I will do a minimal install and try to maximize the /home slice! As result only services I will run are DNS, NTP, SAMBA and NFS. What is not unusual is to symlink /home e.g: # ln -s /usr/home /home ditto for /tmp. i.e you remove all the stuff that uses up space from the root partition. So the only slices you need are /, /usr, /var and swap. How I'd slice up the disk: 2GB for / 2GB for swap 2GB for /var 34GB for /usr I suppose I could get away with something like 2GB for / which would then contain /tmp, /etc, /root, /boot etc. My suggestion is more like: partition mount point Size a/ 512 MegaBytes (1/2 GByte) bswap 2048 MBytes (2 GBytes) d/tmp 512 MBytes e/usr 4096 MBytes f/var 4096 MBytes g/home 29 GB (eg all of the rest of the disk) If you are running a database, you will want /var to be larger or to move things in to that /home file system. I actually use a different mount point name than /home because /home is assumed for other things in some howto-s hanging around. I also move and symlink /usr/local /usr/ports /usr/src and sometimes /var/spool in to that '/home' filesystem and then make the actual /usr and /var only half the above sizes and increase the space in '/home' (33 GB)
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 09:06:09PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: lot's of different pieces of advice rolling in now! I guess what I will do as I have a small hard disk for what I want to do which is to get rid of my music and few movies which are stored on my laptop currently, is create separate /, /tmp, /usr and /var. If you can afford it, and if your laptop has a USB port, buy one of those external harddisks. Plenty of room for music and movies... Also great for backups! I propose which is similar to what Frank has suggested: / ~500M /tmp ~2GB /var ~2GB /usr ~2GB /home the rest I would make /usr greater. See below. but then Jerry has already suggested: partition mount point Size a/ 512 MegaBytes (1/2 GByte) bswap 2048 MBytes (2 GBytes) d/tmp 512 MBytes e/usr 4096 MBytes f/var 4096 MBytes g/home 29 GB (eg all of the rest of the disk) This could be ok I reckon as the 4GB partitions should be there as everyone has suggested for me to use ports and build from source! I'd make /usr bigger. 5-10 GiB, if you can spare it. The reason why I preferred to use package manager was that on say Solaris it's pretty a much a pain having to install all the dependencies from Sun Freeware site. Realize that not all software is available as packages because of e.g. licensing restrictions. And some ports you can customize via so-called options. If you install from packages, you're stuck with the (default) options used when building the packages. The FreeBSD ports system is _so_ convenient. It's one of the great features of FreeBSD, as is the user community. I mean what I will be installing if completely base install with just OS and nothing more like I mentioned before is Samba, NFS server/client, NTP, Nano as the quote below from Jerry using vi or vim is not my preferred text editor as I find them extremely difficult and a real pain to use. The ee(1) editor is part of the base system. This is a _lot_ friendlier than vi! Give it a try, you might not even need nano. In addition I do not think this machine has a DVD drive either although I haven't fired up the Win build yet to transfer files but from what the drive says on the front of 52x looks like it's CD only :-( Good enough for installing. :-) For this reason the discussed packages above will need to be downloaded and installed my best guess is from source. Installing from source is the most flexible method. How is your internet connection? Meaning I will need extra space in one of the filesystems but am unsure where the source gets stored?? My best guess would be /usr? In /usr/ports to be exact. The source code tarballs are also stored there, under /usr/ports/distfiles. On my system, /usr/ports/distfiles is now 799 MiB (450 ports, remember!). The rest of /usr/ports is 543 MiB. Realize that ports will be compiled under /usr/ports as well! Good luck! Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpuZAoQom2xG.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Roland: If you can afford it, and if your laptop has a USB port, buy one of those external harddisks. Plenty of room for music and movies... Also great for backups! Can't afford :-( I have many disks like that where I bought really cool enclosures and the drives separately but currently am in a really bad situation financially. In UK in my parents house I have round 3.2TB or so with 1.7TB dedicated to music and movies. Out here though I only have my 320GB drive on my laptop which has 9 OS's on it including VM's. 160GB for Linux which I have Fedora 10 and Kubuntu on the other side I run OpenSolaris and Belenix in different ZFS pools. Laptop is cool 6GB memory too :-) ~# fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x34f7742e Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 19453 156256191 bf Solaris /dev/sda2 19454 2370934186320 83 Linux /dev/sda3 * 23710 2553414659312+ 83 Linux /dev/sda4 25535 38913 107466817+ 5 Extended /dev/sda5 25535 38665 105474726 83 Linux /dev/sda6 38666 38913 1992028+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris ~# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda2 33G 11G 21G 34% / tmpfs 2.9G 4.0K 2.9G 1% /lib/init/rw varrun2.9G 240K 2.9G 1% /var/run varlock 2.9G 4.0K 2.9G 1% /var/lock udev 2.9G 180K 2.9G 1% /dev tmpfs 2.9G 708K 2.9G 1% /dev/shm lrm 2.9G 2.5M 2.9G 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-17-generic/volatile /dev/sda5 100G 93G 1.2G 99% /home /dev/sda3 14G 9.6G 3.6G 74% /mnt/tmp I propose which is similar to what Frank has suggested: / ~500M /tmp ~2GB /var ~2GB /usr ~2GB /home the rest I would make /usr greater. See below. but then Jerry has already suggested: partition mount point Size a/ 512 MegaBytes (1/2 GByte) bswap 2048 MBytes (2 GBytes) d/tmp 512 MBytes e/usr 4096 MBytes f/var 4096 MBytes g/home 29 GB (eg all of the rest of the disk) This could be ok I reckon as the 4GB partitions should be there as everyone has suggested for me to use ports and build from source! I'd make /usr bigger. 5-10 GiB, if you can spare it. Err I will try 4GB because I need to dump round 10-15GB here clogging up my disks. In fact I just partitioned the drive using FreeBSIE and I think it's only a 30GB on this desktop which I can always look into getting a new one in time. But slightly stuck for now! Realize that not all software is available as packages because of e.g. licensing restrictions. And some ports you can customize via so-called options. If you install from packages, you're stuck with the (default) options used when building the packages. The FreeBSD ports system is _so_ convenient. It's one of the great features of FreeBSD, as is the user community. I just the packages I mentioned before that's it! If I can do that it will be really cool. The ee(1) editor is part of the base system. This is a _lot_ friendlier than vi! Give it a try, you might not even need nano. I will try it out thanks for that! :-) In addition I do not think this machine has a DVD drive either although I haven't fired up the Win build yet to transfer files but from what the drive says on the front of 52x looks like it's CD only :-( Good enough for installing. :-) For this reason the discussed packages above will need to be downloaded and installed my best guess is from source. Installing from source is the most flexible method. How is your internet connection? Hahahah the biggest joke of 2k9 is my internet as it's 512kbps :-( That's what happens when you move country to a developing one things slow down to a halt. In UK I had 20Mbps h I really miss it! Meaning I will need extra space in one of the filesystems but am unsure where the source gets stored?? My best guess would be /usr? In /usr/ports to be exact. The source code tarballs are also stored there, under /usr/ports/distfiles. On my system, /usr/ports/distfiles is now 799 MiB (450 ports, remember!). The rest of /usr/ports is 543 MiB. Realize that ports will be compiled under /usr/ports as well! Ah ok I will look at this once my install progresses, I just hope that 4GB is enough for this! I really need to maximize space for /home where all my stuff will be deposited to for the moment as I don't trust the drive either as it really grinds like crazy but then it might be MS Win doing that? Good luck! Roland Many
New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
Hi guys, first up I hope I am in the right place as my questions are of a generic nature about FreeBSD as I consider myself a new user not having much mileage with the OS as of yet! Secondly I just wanted to wish everyone a happy Christmas and New Year also since we are in that period :-) I will start with my GUI question as I believe that it is something simple: I attempted an install of 7.2 stable on my laptop and subsequently installed X11also. Now I didn't have any Xorg.conf file but each time I tried to start X from the CLI using the normal startx command (read the documentation through fully beforehand) but I didn't manage to get the mouse or keyboard to even work let alone starting the Gnome2 interface. Now I don't have that particular machine with me now as it's in another country but just wanted to know a few possible causes for the issue. I am guessing it's probably tied into not having the xorg.conf file but I will install a VM of it soon and be more specific with logs etc as I am used to Linux and Sun Solaris I know this is really ad-hoc and frowned upon way of asking which will probably earn me minus brownie points but just wanted a quick idea of what maybe so when the time comes I can investigate further! The second and main question that I wish to ask is more to do with peoples opinions or experienced BSD users advice: I am looking to setup a small file server which I will use as DNS and NTP server also. The reason for selecting FreeBSD is that the system I about to install onto doesn't have much memory (not sure how much but probably in the region of 300-500MB perhaps) and although Linux would definitely suite this kind of system as Solaris needs round 2GB or so for OpenSolaris, I am quite interested to learn FreeBSD but also take advantage of the ZFS file system which is standard now in version 8. I won't be installing a GUI on this machine since it is going to be a server so I would like to know if BSD has a small footprint memory and CPU wise for me to run on the machine in question which is a PIV? Also just to make sure: NFS, Samba, NTPd, and ISC's Bind are all supported on FreeBSD aren't they?? I know this is a bit of an RTFM issue here but for example the Solaris implementation of NTP and even SNMP are slightly different from the GNU or GPL based ones in Linux so therefor I have to ask :-) Many thanks for any responses Best regards, Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Kaya Saman kayasa...@optiplex-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, first up I hope I am in the right place as my questions are of a generic nature about FreeBSD as I consider myself a new user not having much mileage with the OS as of yet! Secondly I just wanted to wish everyone a happy Christmas and New Year also since we are in that period :-) I will start with my GUI question as I believe that it is something simple: I attempted an install of 7.2 stable on my laptop and subsequently installed X11also. Now I didn't have any Xorg.conf file but each time I tried to start X from the CLI using the normal startx command (read the documentation through fully beforehand) but I didn't manage to get the mouse or keyboard to even work let alone starting the Gnome2 interface. Now I don't have that particular machine with me now as it's in another country but just wanted to know a few possible causes for the issue. I am guessing it's probably tied into not having the xorg.conf file but I will install a VM of it soon and be more specific with logs etc as I am used to Linux and Sun Solaris I know this is really ad-hoc and frowned upon way of asking which will probably earn me minus brownie points but just wanted a quick idea of what maybe so when the time comes I can investigate further! Running with no xorg.conf is fine, but you need to make sure dbus and hal are started at boot. Follow the handbook for best results. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html The second and main question that I wish to ask is more to do with peoples opinions or experienced BSD users advice: I am looking to setup a small file server which I will use as DNS and NTP server also. The reason for selecting FreeBSD is that the system I about to install onto doesn't have much memory (not sure how much but probably in the region of 300-500MB perhaps) and although Linux would definitely suite this kind of system as Solaris needs round 2GB or so for OpenSolaris, I am quite interested to learn FreeBSD but also take advantage of the ZFS file system which is standard now in version 8. I won't be installing a GUI on this machine since it is going to be a server so I would like to know if BSD has a small footprint memory and CPU wise for me to run on the machine in question which is a PIV? Also just to make sure: NFS, Samba, NTPd, and ISC's Bind are all supported on FreeBSD aren't they?? I know this is a bit of an RTFM issue here but for example the Solaris implementation of NTP and even SNMP are slightly different from the GNU or GPL based ones in Linux so therefor I have to ask :-) If you're concerned about system resources, at least from a minimalist perspective, then ZFS is not for you. Solaris can't help you with that either, ZFS is hungry. ZFS is also not standard, but considered production ready. UFS is still the standard, and the only filesystem supported by the installer without resorting to tricks. All the other services work well on FreeBSD. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
Running with no xorg.conf is fine, but you need to make sure dbus and hal are started at boot. Follow the handbook for best results. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html I'm sure I started them as this doc is exactly what I followed.. I think if I recall correctly or at least something like it?? Anyway as explained I will use Vbox to check 100% and then at least have proper logs and cli output to compare to and give everyone an idea of what's going on unlike now! If you're concerned about system resources, at least from a minimalist perspective, then ZFS is not for you. Solaris can't help you with that either, ZFS is hungry. ZFS is also not standard, but considered production ready. UFS is still the standard, and the only filesystem supported by the installer without resorting to tricks. Yes ZFS is hungry :-) I run Solaris 10 on an ancient Sun Netra T105 server with 360MB of RAM which uses ZFS file system and apart being a reverse proxy it won't handle anything else easily. Also my E420r server with 1GB of RAM running Sun Ray software is limited to just that and can only handle 1 Ray unit on top of the SXCE (Solaris Express Community Edition) OS. I know how strong UFS v.1 is as I use it with Solaris 9, but how about UFS v.2 which is what FreeBSD runs?? When compared with ext3 from a performance/reliability perspective which one comes on top? Also if something goes wrong with the filesystem what are the tools to check the drive and repair errors as in Linux I use e2fsck followed by device ID. As mention UFS v.1 is incredibly strong especially when run on SCSI II drives that the Sun Netra T105 uses so I haven't had an FS failure yet and if UFS v.2 is similar I don't suspect having a failure either although this machine will have IDE drives and uses x86 architecture as opposed to SPARC. In fact I am only really after ZFS for its self healing properties as I don't mind going with any file system as long as it's stable. Ext3 although easily repairable is quite unstable on my systems anyway! All the other services work well on FreeBSD. -- Adam Vande More Cool, thanks Adam! :-) I appreciate the response. Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Kaya Saman samank...@netscape.net wrote: I know how strong UFS v.1 is as I use it with Solaris 9, but how about UFS v.2 which is what FreeBSD runs?? When compared with ext3 from a performance/reliability perspective which one comes on top? I would say ufs2 easily wins, but remember this is the freebsd-questions list ;) There are some differences though, ufs2 uses softupdates, not journaling(journaling is available and easy to implement via gjournal). Softupdates I believe are a little faster than journaling, but it's drawback is long disk checking after a dirty shutdown. I've never had a ufs specific issue in hundreds if not thousands of deployments, but nothing is guaranteed. ufs does have a great track records and bunch of service hours logged. Also if something goes wrong with the filesystem what are the tools to check the drive and repair errors as in Linux I use e2fsck followed by device ID. Example after a dirty shutdown: fsck -y In fact I am only really after ZFS for its self healing properties as I don't mind going with any file system as long as it's stable. Ext3 although easily repairable is quite unstable on my systems anyway! That's actually a bit disconcerting, do you have hardware instability? -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 14:42, Kaya Saman samank...@netscape.net wrote: Running with no xorg.conf is fine, but you need to make sure dbus and hal are started at boot. Follow the handbook for best results. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html I'm sure I started them as this doc is exactly what I followed.. I think if I recall correctly or at least something like it?? Anyway as explained I will use Vbox to check 100% and then at least have proper logs and cli output to compare to and give everyone an idea of what's going on unlike now! I can't speak to the rest, but WRT the GUI, I suspect you'll find it a lot easier if you install a Window Manager to handle a lot of this. I have found xfce4 to be a good one for me - gnome and kde were a bit much. Once I installed /usr/ports/x11-wm/xfce4 with a 'make config-recursive' then chose my options, then 'make install', the GUI fired up just fine, and all of the hal/dbus stuff was handled for me. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
I would say ufs2 easily wins, but remember this is the freebsd-questions list ;) There are some differences though, ufs2 uses softupdates, not journaling(journaling is available and easy to implement via gjournal). Softupdates I believe are a little faster than journaling, but it's drawback is long disk checking after a dirty shutdown. I've never had a ufs specific issue in hundreds if not thousands of deployments, but nothing is guaranteed. ufs does have a great track records and bunch of service hours logged. Cool meaning I am going UFS2 on my new install! Example after a dirty shutdown: fsck -y Aaah fsck :-) If I run this on an ext3 FS it tends to make things much worse as I did it once and got left with a whole bunch of unattached inodes :-( reason for Linux and ext3 e2fsck is much better I have found from personal experience! That's actually a bit disconcerting, do you have hardware instability? Nope! These systems are actually desktop systems which I run as servers as I couldn't afford to buy proper systems so got a whole bunch of cheap x86 boxes off Ebay. If running Scalix though I found it really eats up hard drives - although running a collaboration suite on a laptop is not the most intelligent thing to do but then what else can you do with a portable computer with bust LCD display? Left in my parents house in the UK now as I'm currently in Turkey but my lab from scavenged parts and systems: http://www.optiplex-networks.com/lab/lab.html -- Adam Vande More Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
I can't speak to the rest, but WRT the GUI, I suspect you'll find it a lot easier if you install a Window Manager to handle a lot of this. I have found xfce4 to be a good one for me - gnome and kde were a bit much. Once I installed /usr/ports/x11-wm/xfce4 with a 'make config-recursive' then chose my options, then 'make install', the GUI fired up just fine, and all of the hal/dbus stuff was handled for me. Kurt I thought Gnome already came with Nautilus as Window manager??? Or in FreeBSD is it extra? Sorry am not used to doing things from scratch but soon I will get the hang of it - just give me a couple of days to get the file server I am on about up and running then will transfer the stuff clogging my notebooks HD over there and install a VM through Vbox and really have a go at understanding the GUI. I did play around with FreeBSIE which is FreeBSD with the GUI installed as a live CD which was really cool and light and worked especially well on my 512MB RAM laptop. Now I don't have a memory issue as I have 6GB on a newer machine running 64bit OS's all the way but still need to get to grips with this :-) Thanks for the tip Kurt! Regards, --Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Monday 28 December 2009 22:49:31 Kaya Saman wrote: Hi guys, first up I hope I am in the right place as my questions are of a generic nature about FreeBSD as I consider myself a new user not having much mileage with the OS as of yet! Secondly I just wanted to wish everyone a happy Christmas and New Year also since we are in that period :-) I will start with my GUI question as I believe that it is something simple: I attempted an install of 7.2 stable on my laptop and subsequently installed X11also. Now I didn't have any Xorg.conf file but each time I tried to start X from the CLI using the normal startx command (read the documentation through fully beforehand) but I didn't manage to get the mouse or keyboard to even work let alone starting the Gnome2 interface. The most common cause is that either hald (sysutils/hal) or dbus (devel/dbus) isn't running. Xorg needs them both to detect mouse and keyboard. Add dbus_enable=YES and hald_enable=YES to rc.conf to get them to start automatically. Now I don't have that particular machine with me now as it's in another country but just wanted to know a few possible causes for the issue. I am guessing it's probably tied into not having the xorg.conf file but I will install a VM of it soon and be more specific with logs etc as I am used to Linux and Sun Solaris I know this is really ad-hoc and frowned upon way of asking which will probably earn me minus brownie points but just wanted a quick idea of what maybe so when the time comes I can investigate further! The second and main question that I wish to ask is more to do with peoples opinions or experienced BSD users advice: I am looking to setup a small file server which I will use as DNS and NTP server also. The reason for selecting FreeBSD is that the system I about to install onto doesn't have much memory (not sure how much but probably in the region of 300-500MB perhaps) and although Linux would definitely suite this kind of system as Solaris needs round 2GB or so for OpenSolaris, I am quite interested to learn FreeBSD but also take advantage of the ZFS file system which is standard now in version 8. I agree with Adam Vande More's opinion that UFS2 is the way to go on such a low memory system. UFS2 also works well with large disks (1+ TB) if you tune the newfs parameters a bit (mainly to shorten the fsck time). With geom(8) you can do all kinds of mirroring/striping if you're into RAID. With regards to stability, UFS2 was before the import of ZFS the only filesystem widely used. It is very well tested, and in my opinion, very stable. In fact, I can't remember ever having a UFS2 filesystem go bad to the point I couldn't repair it anymore. If you're expecting lots of power outages, it may be worthwile to set up journaling using gjournal(8), which will reduce fsck times considerably, at the cost of reduced streaming write speed (which will halve unless a dedicated journal disk is used). I won't be installing a GUI on this machine since it is going to be a server so I would like to know if BSD has a small footprint memory and CPU wise for me to run on the machine in question which is a PIV? That won't be a problem. To illustrate, FreeBSD on a 256MB (i386) machine has about 211MB memory free just after startup. To be safe you could configure a large swap, so the system won't kill the memory hogs as soon as it runs out of memory. Also just to make sure: NFS, Samba, NTPd, and ISC's Bind are all supported on FreeBSD aren't they?? I know this is a bit of an RTFM issue here but for example the Solaris implementation of NTP and even SNMP are slightly different from the GNU or GPL based ones in Linux so therefor I have to ask :-) NFS, BIND, SNMP (bsnmpd) and NTP come with the OS and are installed by default. Samba can be installed from ports. Many thanks for any responses Best regards, Kaya Good luck! Pieter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 15:29, Kaya Saman samank...@netscape.net wrote: I can't speak to the rest, but WRT the GUI, I suspect you'll find it a lot easier if you install a Window Manager to handle a lot of this. I have found xfce4 to be a good one for me - gnome and kde were a bit much. Once I installed /usr/ports/x11-wm/xfce4 with a 'make config-recursive' then chose my options, then 'make install', the GUI fired up just fine, and all of the hal/dbus stuff was handled for me. Kurt I thought Gnome already came with Nautilus as Window manager??? Or in FreeBSD is it extra? I see I didn't completely read your original message. Indulge me a moment while I ramble here, and probably expose my ignorance... Xorg/X11 Gnome Nautilis is a file manager, unless I misremember. The native file manager for xfce4 is Thunar. Gnome, like xfce4 (and ratpoison, kde, etc.) is a Window Manager, which depends on Xorg/X11 to function. WMs are usually installed installed after Xorg. Did you install gnome from source, or did you use 'pkg_add -r'? I don't know why, but I seem to have better luck, though it takes much longer, if I use 'make install' from the ports tree. Sorry am not used to doing things from scratch but soon I will get the hang of it - just give me a couple of days to get the file server I am on about up and running then will transfer the stuff clogging my notebooks HD over there and install a VM through Vbox and really have a go at understanding the GUI. I'm not far along that learning curve myself. Heh. I started on an old Toshiba laptop with 256mbytes RAM, and Freesbie worked well on that. I then learned how to install from scratch. That was, um, interesting. I hated Linux, as it seems so arcane. Well, perhaps 'hate' is too strong a word, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. Once I worked with FreeBSD, it became much more clear. Things seem to be done more sanely in FreeBSD. Now I have a nice 4gbyte Lenovo T61, and I still like xfce4 - it does what I want, and I didn't want to expend the effort to learn anything new. I did play around with FreeBSIE which is FreeBSD with the GUI installed as a live CD which was really cool and light and worked especially well on my 512MB RAM laptop. Now I don't have a memory issue as I have 6GB on a newer machine running 64bit OS's all the way but still need to get to grips with this :-) If you're very familiar with gnome, you might wish to stay with it. If you're just learning, for both gnome and xfce4, my preference would be for xfce4. But that's just me, and you'll get at least 10 different answers from the first 8 people you meet. Thanks for the tip Kurt! Regards, --Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
The most common cause is that either hald (sysutils/hal) or dbus (devel/dbus) isn't running. Xorg needs them both to detect mouse and keyboard. Add dbus_enable=YES and hald_enable=YES to rc.conf to get them to start automatically. We'll see what the issue actually is - as I mentioned I kinda stuffed this question in without any proper log or tty output to support anything I mentioned which is quite ad-hoc and not recommended on mailing lists of this caliber unless wanting to irritate the participants. Just need to clear up my notebooks drive first before setting up the VM environment to test! I agree with Adam Vande More's opinion that UFS2 is the way to go on such a low memory system. UFS2 also works well with large disks (1+ TB) if you tune the newfs parameters a bit (mainly to shorten the fsck time). With geom(8) you can do all kinds of mirroring/striping if you're into RAID. With regards to stability, UFS2 was before the import of ZFS the only filesystem widely used. It is very well tested, and in my opinion, very stable. In fact, I can't remember ever having a UFS2 filesystem go bad to the point I couldn't repair it anymore. If you're expecting lots of power outages, it may be worthwile to set up journaling using gjournal(8), which will reduce fsck times considerably, at the cost of reduced streaming write speed (which will halve unless a dedicated journal disk is used). I agree also and thank you guys for your opinions! As mentioned I know UFS1 from Solaris 9 on my SPARC systems and have never had any issues with it at all. Hang on what are these things called slices and this wacky naming convention I thought disks where labeled hdax or sdax according to the partition :-P sorry internal joke! That won't be a problem. To illustrate, FreeBSD on a 256MB (i386) machine has about 211MB memory free just after startup. To be safe you could configure a large swap, so the system won't kill the memory hogs as soon as it runs out of memory. Yeah I reckon large swap also! Usually round 2 or 3 times amount of memory but for everyday generic use I find about 1.5 - 3 gigs is enough. This is the good part of static filesystems I find over ZFS is that the swap space is easily tunable without editing ZFS pools or other. NFS, BIND, SNMP (bsnmpd) and NTP come with the OS and are installed by default. Samba can be installed from ports. Hmm I will need a bit of assistance for the ports part as I'm kinda used to Debian backports through the Apt repos but BSD ports is something quite different. I'm sure there's plenty of documentation on the web to find out how to install and implement! bsnmpd sounds to me more like snmpx from Solaris in terms of that it is different from opensnmpd. Not a problem won't be doing any SNMP monitoring right now as I don't have anything to monitor as my router isn't even my beloved Cisco at the mo. When I have more memory I will play around with SNMP monitoring software if available for BSD, and my all time favorite: Cacti. Good luck! Pieter Thanks a lot Pieter --Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
Kurt Buff wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 15:29, Kaya Saman samank...@netscape.net wrote: I see I didn't completely read your original message. Indulge me a moment while I ramble here, and probably expose my ignorance... Xorg/X11 Gnome Gnome runs on Xorg: Xorg/Xfree runs X11 Xfree is now obsolete as Xorg is much better. Nautilis is a file manager, unless I misremember. The native file manager for xfce4 is Thunar. Gnome, like xfce4 (and ratpoison, kde, etc.) is a Window Manager, which depends on Xorg/X11 to function. WMs are usually installed installed after Xorg. Correct on both counts :-) Did you install gnome from source, or did you use 'pkg_add -r'? I don't know why, but I seem to have better luck, though it takes much longer, if I use 'make install' from the ports tree. I used pkg_add! Am such a package manager guy as although have compiled quite a bit of stuff I find on some systems such as Sun Solaris compiling can be a nightmare. Especially if it means hacking out source code and using special make parameters as I'm not a programmer but also not that far advanced when it comes down to building software from scratch! I'm not far along that learning curve myself. Heh. I started on an old Toshiba laptop with 256mbytes RAM, and Freesbie worked well on that. I then learned how to install from scratch. That was, um, interesting. I hated Linux, as it seems so arcane. Well, perhaps 'hate' is too strong a word, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. Once I worked with FreeBSD, it became much more clear. Things seem to be done more sanely in FreeBSD. Now I have a nice 4gbyte Lenovo T61, and I still like xfce4 - it does what I want, and I didn't want to expend the effort to learn anything new. Well, Linux has its advantages and for the last 2 years have completely used it as an M$ Windowz replacement as one can do almost everything on it. When I meant; not used to doing things from scratch I meant building the OS. I actually prefer doing a minimal install of CentOS with no software or GUI at all and then building the system up to what I need when it comes down to servers!!! Means I can fine tune the system that way and only use the system resources for what I need. Being a user of both Solaris and Linux though, they are both pretty cool with Solaris only hindered by lack of software and multimedia apps. Otherwise I think Solaris in Open guise would win anyday provided that the H/W support was as vast as Linux. If you're very familiar with gnome, you might wish to stay with it. If you're just learning, for both gnome and xfce4, my preference would be for xfce4. But that's just me, and you'll get at least 10 different answers from the first 8 people you meet. Have played round with everything including KDE3/4, XFCE, Blackbox, Fluxbox, Window Maker, CDE (on Solaris).. Wish there was something more, new and interesting but they're all a bit bland after a while. Gnome I find is more functional! If anyone has any idea of getting something like they use on TV shows like NCIS and CSI that would be really cool (not Hollywood OS) or something they use in the military that one sees on the discovery channel say on the US Navy ships. I mean I do develop GUI's for the OpenSolaris spin-off distro Belenix which can be seen here: http://www.optiplex-networks.com/belenix/index_belenix.html under themes. But really need a new concept of completely tricked out geeky 'suped' up WM. Lot's of bar graphs, text outputs and other really cool stuff embedded into it :-) - no need for Gkrellm or Conky or Torsmo anymore! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
Adam Vande More wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Kaya Saman kayasa...@optiplex-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I attempted an install of 7.2 stable on my laptop and subsequently installed X11also. Now I didn't have any Xorg.conf file but each time I tried to start X from the CLI using the normal startx command (read the documentation through fully beforehand) but I didn't manage to get the mouse or keyboard to even work let alone starting the Gnome2 interface. Running with no xorg.conf is fine, but you need to make sure dbus and hal are started at boot. Follow the handbook for best results. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html I don't know if I'd be too happy to agree on that ... while the answer IS correctfrom a narrow point of view, the documentation on both dbus and hal is very, VERY thin on the ground (and what exists is for Linux only), so if the setup programmed into the port isn't right for your particular FreeBSD machine, you can pretty much forget about getting enough info to fix things. Realize that both hal and dbus were written for Linux (not a particularly portable thing), and it was only because of FreeBSD porters that it works at all under FreeBSD, so the docs that come with them understand Linux only. You can't even find out how to fix the config files for FreeBSD. Trying to fix even the most minor problem is really climbing mountains. Much, much easier to fix up an xorg.conf, which is not only well documented, but has tools to generate you a good local setup for your particular machine. If dbus/hal happen to work for you right out of the FreeBSD port, well, that's great, but if you need to adapt things for use outside of Linux, good luck, fella. The folks who wrote our FreeBSD dbus and hal implementations did a good job of translating things which are VERY Linux-centric to FreeBSD, but it's still only really good for a default FreeBSD setup. I know that it didn't work for anything but a thin slice of default environments, in the FreeBSD-7.x release era. Some day, if when the Linux developers are ready to admit there are other OSes and document things more portably, both tools are really, really fine ideas. Maybe ask again in 6 months to a year? Or, get ready to read a lot of source code and figure it out for yourself. Right now looking at what email I can find on the web regarding running hal dbus on 7.2, no one else can find an easy fund of knowledge either. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 16:23, Kaya Saman samank...@netscape.net wrote: snip So, given what you've written below, you probably know more about this stuff than I do. Cool. I will echo the advice already given, however: add dbus_enable=YES hald_enable=YES to your /etc/rc.conf. That will most likely clear your problem. Did you install gnome from source, or did you use 'pkg_add -r'? I don't know why, but I seem to have better luck, though it takes much longer, if I use 'make install' from the ports tree. I used pkg_add! Am such a package manager guy as although have compiled quite a bit of stuff I find on some systems such as Sun Solaris compiling can be a nightmare. Especially if it means hacking out source code and using special make parameters as I'm not a programmer but also not that far advanced when it comes down to building software from scratch! I'm not far along that learning curve myself. Heh. I started on an old Toshiba laptop with 256mbytes RAM, and Freesbie worked well on that. I then learned how to install from scratch. That was, um, interesting. I hated Linux, as it seems so arcane. Well, perhaps 'hate' is too strong a word, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. Once I worked with FreeBSD, it became much more clear. Things seem to be done more sanely in FreeBSD. Now I have a nice 4gbyte Lenovo T61, and I still like xfce4 - it does what I want, and I didn't want to expend the effort to learn anything new. Well, Linux has its advantages and for the last 2 years have completely used it as an M$ Windowz replacement as one can do almost everything on it. When I meant; not used to doing things from scratch I meant building the OS. I actually prefer doing a minimal install of CentOS with no software or GUI at all and then building the system up to what I need when it comes down to servers!!! Means I can fine tune the system that way and only use the system resources for what I need. That's what I do with mine under FreeBSD, for both servers and workstations. Being a user of both Solaris and Linux though, they are both pretty cool with Solaris only hindered by lack of software and multimedia apps. Otherwise I think Solaris in Open guise would win anyday provided that the H/W support was as vast as Linux. I need to dive back into Linux - I want to figure out Xen now that it can do live migrations/failover, and FreeBSD doesn't do Dom0 - yet. So, I'll probably try out CentOS, though I suppose I could use NetBSD. Wish there was something more, new and interesting but they're all a bit bland after a while. Gnome I find is more functional! If anyone has any idea of getting something like they use on TV shows like NCIS and CSI that would be really cool (not Hollywood OS) or something they use in the military that one sees on the discovery channel say on the US Navy ships. I mean I do develop GUI's for the OpenSolaris spin-off distro Belenix which can be seen here: http://www.optiplex-networks.com/belenix/index_belenix.html under themes. But really need a new concept of completely tricked out geeky 'suped' up WM. Lot's of bar graphs, text outputs and other really cool stuff embedded into it :-) - no need for Gkrellm or Conky or Torsmo anymore! Eh. I just want something that works and keeps out of my way - xfce seems to do that just fine. For me, 'cool' is the apps and what I can do with them. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user - small file server questions and quick GUI question
[...] add dbus_enable=YES hald_enable=YES to your /etc/rc.conf. That will most likely clear your problem. [...] I will give this a go soon :-) That's what I do with mine under FreeBSD, for both servers and workstations. Having both servers and workstations is cool as both of them need to be looked at very differently! I like having Linux for desktop systems due to the full multimedia traits of it. I mean Debian or Ubuntu is pretty cool, Red Hat based Fedora is problematic as by default some packages don't work properly so you end up having to hack around the problem. Also multimedia is a slight pain in Fedora due to having to add extra repos to get things like MP3's working since there is some licensing issue. For servers one can pretty much install anything just for raw services. However when one starts considering performance attributes such as disk write speed, ease of adding storage, memory usage, security etc into the equation then one must side with one of the UNIX's around. Different UNIX versions have different strengths and weaknesses but it is nice to get to know as many as possible in order to actually identify and see these attributes in live real time so that in a professional capacity one has the experience to choose the correct system for the task at hand. I need to dive back into Linux - I want to figure out Xen now that it can do live migrations/failover, and FreeBSD doesn't do Dom0 - yet. So, I'll probably try out CentOS, though I suppose I could use NetBSD. Aaaah yes Citrix Xen, it's cool - read the manual but haven't played with it. Yeah I would run Linux just in case there are some things you wish to do but can't in BSD although I can't comment on the differences as I haven't seen them myself yet. I am really a big fan of testing systems on Suns Virtual Box! Is almost like running a disposable OS. Plug in and play then throw away until you need a proper H/W install :-) Eh. I just want something that works and keeps out of my way - xfce seems to do that just fine. For me, 'cool' is the apps and what I can do with them. Hahahaha :-) As long as I can listen to music and watch videos I am ok, oh as well as browse web, check mail and use the occasional office app. the rest is all CLI for me.. However I will use a few more things too rarely - even 3D games. I do like flashy screens though that no body can understand apart from a trained operator :-P - tried this with normal lighting effect too as I tried to emulate an aircraft landing strip with Christmas tree lights. Where I live currently is like a complex with a few houses enclosed in a site with private security etc. Anyway we put my lighting effect in the entrance and before we knew it rained blowing out everything even the backup generator and almost electrocuting everyone living inside... it was so embarrassing for that to happen to a person with an electrical/electronic engineering degree :-O h oh well! I blame the site manager as he bought indoor lights as they were cheap!!! --Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New user with a possible ZFS problem
Kevin Monceaux wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Kevin Monceaux wrote: Saturday I finally found one of those round tuits and switched my home PC from Debian to FreeBSD. I probably should have mentioned that the box in question is a slightly older hyperthreaded Intel Pentium 4 box, an HP m260n to be exact, with 3GB of RAM. You may be running out of memory. Increase kmem_size until it goes away. I use 1500M on my systems, which are stable. Yes, ZFS is a memory hog. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user with a possible ZFS problem
Kris, On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Kris Kennaway wrote: You may be running out of memory. Increase kmem_size until it goes away. I use 1500M on my systems, which are stable. Yes, ZFS is a memory hog. Boy, ZFS sure does sound like it's earned the title of memory hog. Oddly I'd been running for about a week without problems, and shuffled some large files around during that week, and right before I got your e-mail I had another hang. I tried increasing the kmem_size setting and was rewarded with a panic on reboot. I already had it set at 512M. A little Googling tells me I'm going to have to compile a custom kernel to increase it beyond that. Oh well, it's about time I learned how to do that anyway. I've compiled many a custom Linux kernel. I started using Linux in the 1.xx kernel days before there were loadable kernel modules so almost everything involved a kernel recompile. I've read over the FreeBSD kernel compile docs quite a while back but will need to go over them again. Anyway, thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try after a little research and a little, or a lot of, compiling. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New user with a possible ZFS problem
FreeBSD Fans, Okay, I'm not exactly a new user. I've been running FreeBSD for about a year or so on my web/mail server, which I only have remote access to. It's currently running 6.3. Saturday I finally found one of those round tuits and switched my home PC from Debian to FreeBSD. I've been a Linux user since the 1.xx Linux kernel days, so it took quite a bit of convincing myself to make the switch. But other than needing to unlearn some bad habits I got into thanks to Linux, I'm feeling right at home. After getting a taste of ZFS while trying out OpenSolaris Indiana under VMware, I decided to give FreeBSD's ZFS implementation a try. Actually before installing FreeBSD I tried a native OpenSolaris Indiana install briefly, but ended up deciding it's new package system wasn't quite ready for prime time yet. Do I really need ZFS? Not really. But after getting a taste of ZFS it'd be hard to go back to regular file systems. I've had a couple of problems and I'm not sure if there ZFS related or not. When I switched my PC to FreeBSD this past Saturday I went by the article located at: http://www.ish.com.au/solutions/articles/freebsdzfs to set up ZFS. I followed the article's loader.conf tweaks advice and added: vm.kmem_size_max=512M vm.kmem_size=512M vfs.zfs.zil_disable=1 to /boot/loader.conf. All went well at first, then eventually I experienced my first hang. If I remember correctly, I had an mp3 playing via mplayer and was moving a large file from one ZFS partition to another. Both the mp3 player and mv command appeared to hang. Checking top one of the processes was in a zfs:lo state and the other was, I think, in a zfs:b state, or something similar. I forget which was which. Eventually they recovered. Eventually I encountered a similar hang with similar symptoms. The second hang might have eventually recovered on it's own but I finally resorted to hitting the power switch. After a little Googling on the process states I tried adding: vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable=1 to /boot/loader.conf. After doing so I gave ZFS a bit of a workout. I shuffled some large files around, etc., and all appeared well. When I went to bed this morning, I had to work graveyards last night, I had an openoffice.org build running, which had been running for eight hours or so. Okay, although I usually install everything from ports maybe I should go with the binary package for OpenOffice. Anyway, when I got up this afternoon my PC was completely locked up. I had no video signal, caps lock and num lock wouldn't change the keyboard LEDs, etc. I finally resorted to hitting the power button. After getting things back up, I freebsd-updated to 7.0-RELEASE-p2, after some Googling and commenting out the chflag calls in freebsd-update. I know, I should have checked for updates right after I finished installing FreeBSD. Anyway, does the above hangs all sound like they're ZFS related. Are there any other settings I should try? Is there a FreeBSD ZFS mailing list? I searched but couldn't find one. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user with a possible ZFS problem
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Kevin Monceaux wrote: Saturday I finally found one of those round tuits and switched my home PC from Debian to FreeBSD. I probably should have mentioned that the box in question is a slightly older hyperthreaded Intel Pentium 4 box, an HP m260n to be exact, with 3GB of RAM. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tcl84 on FreeBSD 6.2 make error (new user)
G'day all, I'm sorry but I am new to FreeBSD, and I am not sure what tcl84 is, but when I tried to install gdal, using portmanager after many hours it told me that tcl84 had an error, so that was that. when I went to ports/lang/tcl84 and tried make install clean it didn't work either. there were lots of errors like /usr/ports/lang/tcl84/work/tcl8.4.14/unix/libtcl84.so: undefined reference to 'sin' (or 'cos' or 'tan') so I'm guessing that there is some mathematical thing that it needs, but nearly every package I have tried to build from ports seems to require this tcl at some point, so my first few days of FreeBSD are not going as well as I hoped... after much documentation searching and googling etc, I come to this point for help (at least on how to get more help) cheers Ben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tcl84 on FreeBSD 6.2 make error (new user)
Ben Madin wrote: G'day all, I'm sorry but I am new to FreeBSD, and I am not sure what tcl84 is, but when I tried to install gdal, using portmanager after many hours it told me that tcl84 had an error, so that was that. when I went to ports/lang/tcl84 and tried make install clean it didn't work either. there were lots of errors like /usr/ports/lang/tcl84/work/tcl8.4.14/unix/libtcl84.so: undefined reference to 'sin' (or 'cos' or 'tan') so I'm guessing that there is some mathematical thing that it needs, but nearly every package I have tried to build from ports seems to require this tcl at some point, so my first few days of FreeBSD are not going as well as I hoped... after much documentation searching and googling etc, I come to this point for help (at least on how to get more help) cheers Ben Could you provide the exact set of error messages please? If you're running via and ssh shell in an X11 terminal of some kind (xterm, rxterm, kterm, Gterminal, etc) on a unix machine you can simply highlight the text, and paste in a mail window. Otherwise, you can redirect the output from the stderr for the compile to a file as follows.. For Bourne shells: rm -Rf /full/path/to/stderr.log; make install 1/full/path/to/stderr.log 2/full/path/to/stderr.log For C-shells: rm -Rf /full/path/to/stderr.log; make install | tee /full/path/to/stderr.log .. then please post it to on a website (preferrable) or take only the relevant messages near the error and reply with that in your next email. Thanks and cheers, -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pw generates error when creating new user.
Hi all, I'm new to FreeBSD and this is my first attempt to setup a FreeBSD network server (DNS, NIS, DHCP). Everything went well so far. although I have a question/issue with adding new users on the NIS master server. I have a separate /var/yp/master.passwd and I have also created an entry in /etc/pw.conf (nispasswd=/var/yp/master.passwd). From what I understand from the man pages that pw will update both /var/yp/master.passwd and /etc/master.passwd when a new user is created and/or modified. However when I try to add a new user using pw, an error message is generated: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# pw useradd user -c UserName,,, -u id -g group -s /bin/csh -d /usr/users/velle pw: NIS passwd update: Unknown error: 0 Both /var/yp/master.passwd and /etc/master.passwd seems to be correctly modified, but I'm wondering about the cause of this error. Does anyone have some idea? Regards, W. PS: I also had problems search the archives of the mailing list. Everytime I got no results ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new user help
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:05:47 -0700
Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael Brady wrote:
I am very new to Freebsd so this might be a dumb question, but I can't find
an answer through FAQ..
I used the command make install clean to install some ported applications,
and the installs went off without a hitch and reported successful.My problem
is that I can't find the locations of the installed applications or the
executables for the apps to run them.What am I missing here?
[]
If you just installed them and havent relogged in yet, type rehash. If
that fails, run /etc/periodic/weekly/310.locate as root and then locate
filename.
or, simply,
which [your_program_exec_name]
and it will list where it's found. For example, if you installed firefox,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon Apr 2 08:10:29 2007]
/usr/home/betom
$ which firefox
/usr/local/bin/firefox
In some cases, the executable of the package you installed is not clear at
first sight. You should then query the package itself to tell you everything
that it installed in a bin directory (where executable binaries go:)
pkg_info -L [pkg_name]* | grep bin
eg:
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/usr/home/betom
$ pkg_info -L firefox* | grep bin
/usr/local/bin/firefox
/usr/local/bin/firefox-config
/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkxtbin/gtk2xtbin.h
/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkxtbin/gtkxtbin.h
/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
/usr/local/lib/firefox/libgtkxtbin.so
/usr/local/lib/firefox/res/html/gopher-binary.gif
/usr/local/bin/firefox-remote
/usr/local/bin/thunderbird-remote
Good luck :)
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new user help
Michael Brady wrote: I am very new to Freebsd so this might be a dumb question, but I can't find an answer through FAQ.. I used the command make install clean to install some ported applications, and the installs went off without a hitch and reported successful.My problem is that I can't find the locations of the installed applications or the executables for the apps to run them.What am I missing here? Thank you in advance. Michael Brady ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you just installed them and havent relogged in yet, type rehash. If that fails, run /etc/periodic/weekly/310.locate as root and then locate filename. Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user
On 9/28/05, Xian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Tharaka Abeysekera wrote: I'm a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I'm pissed off with Windows On Tuesday 27 September 2005 14:29, Derrick Test wrote: thats a big question. the handbook off the website is a great resource. It can also be found on the disk (at /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html ) once you have installed. Usefull for working out how to set up internet ;-) Using it will also save FreeBSD site bandwidth :-) But I believe the handbook at www.freebsd.org is more accurate and up-to-date than the one on the CDs. -- Dmitry Mityugov, St. Petersburg, Russia I ignore all messages with confidentiality statements We live less by imagination than despite it - Rockwell Kent, N by E ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user
On Wed 28 Sep 05 03:54, Dmitry Mityugov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05, Xian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Tharaka Abeysekera wrote: I'm a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I'm pissed off with Windows On Tuesday 27 September 2005 14:29, Derrick Test wrote: thats a big question. the handbook off the website is a great resource. It can also be found on the disk (at /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html ) once you have installed. Usefull for working out how to set up internet ;-) Using it will also save FreeBSD site bandwidth :-) But I believe the handbook at www.freebsd.org is more accurate and up-to-date than the one on the CDs. Yes, but if you update the doc tree locally and build from that, then you have the most up-to-date copy right on your machine. You have to install /usr/ports/textproc/docproj first, and there's more details about that here: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2001/02/08/Big_Scary_Daemons.html Hope I don't scare off the new user, but this does demonstrate the power and simplicity of UNIX in general, and FreeBSD in particular. Here's an example straight from my workstation (this can be used as a way to update and serve docs for an entire organization, such as one build machine being used for packages for the other machines in a network, though presumably there would be NFS or a webserver involved in such a case). My /etc/make.conf includes this: # doc proj make options SUP=/usr/local/bin/cvsup SUPFLAGS= -L 2 -1 DOC_LANG= en_US.ISO8859-1 SUPHOST=`/usr/local/bin/fastest_cvsup -q -c us` DOCSUPFILE= /home/krinklyfig/supfiles/doc-supfile SUP_UPDATE= yes ... and my supfile for docs: % cat /home/krinklyfig/supfiles/doc-supfile *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress doc-all And in my root crontab is: # cvsup and build docs, 4am, every day 1 4 * * * /bin/sh /home/krinklyfig/supfiles/sup-doc 21 And the script referenced above: # cat /home/krinklyfig/supfiles/sup-doc #!/bin/sh MAILTO=krinklyfig MEHOME=/usr/home/krinklyfig touch $MEHOME/log/sup-doc.log ; touch $MEHOME/log/sup-make-doc.log ; cd /usr/doc ; make update $MEHOME/log/sup-doc.log 21 make install clean $MEHOME/log/sup-make-doc.log 21 At 4am every day the above script is run: the changes to docs are downloaded though cvsup, and the new docs are built. My local docs are most likely just as up-to-date as the ones on the web (1 day), and I only have to download the updates from cvs to keep them current. - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:38:53 -0600 Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed 28 Sep 05 03:54, Dmitry Mityugov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/05, Xian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Tharaka Abeysekera wrote: I'm a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I'm pissed off with Windows On Tuesday 27 September 2005 14:29, Derrick Test wrote: thats a big question. the handbook off the website is a great resource. It can also be found on the disk (at /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html ) once you have installed. Usefull for working out how to set up internet ;-) Using it will also save FreeBSD site bandwidth :-) But I believe the handbook at www.freebsd.org is more accurate and up-to-date than the one on the CDs. Yes, but if you update the doc tree locally and build from that, then you have the most up-to-date copy right on your machine. You have to install /usr/ports/textproc/docproj first, and there's more details about that here: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2001/02/08/Big_Scary_Daemons.html Hope I don't scare off the new user, but this does demonstrate the power and simplicity of UNIX in general, and FreeBSD in particular. Here's an example straight from my workstation (this can be used as a way to update and serve docs for an entire organization, such as one build machine being used for packages for the other machines in a network, though presumably there would be NFS or a webserver involved in such a case). My /etc/make.conf includes this: # doc proj make options SUP=/usr/local/bin/cvsup SUPFLAGS= -L 2 -1 DOC_LANG= en_US.ISO8859-1 SUPHOST=`/usr/local/bin/fastest_cvsup -q -c us` DOCSUPFILE= /home/krinklyfig/supfiles/doc-supfile SUP_UPDATE= yes ... and my supfile for docs: % cat /home/krinklyfig/supfiles/doc-supfile *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress doc-all And in my root crontab is: # cvsup and build docs, 4am, every day 1 4 * * * /bin/sh /home/krinklyfig/supfiles/sup-doc 21 And the script referenced above: # cat /home/krinklyfig/supfiles/sup-doc #!/bin/sh MAILTO=krinklyfig MEHOME=/usr/home/krinklyfig touch $MEHOME/log/sup-doc.log ; touch $MEHOME/log/sup-make-doc.log ; cd /usr/doc ; make update $MEHOME/log/sup-doc.log 21 make install clean $MEHOME/log/sup-make-doc.log 21 At 4am every day the above script is run: the changes to docs are downloaded though cvsup, and the new docs are built. My local docs are most likely just as up-to-date as the ones on the web (1 day), and I only have to download the updates from cvs to keep them current. - jt There is (yet) another way to get the latest documentation. Docsnap doesn't require the overhead of the documentation tool chain and is quite easy to use. More information about docsnap can be found at: http://docsnap.sk.freebsd.org/ For the original poster, reading the documentation before you start installation will give you a lot more confidence in your new venture. Its a steep learning curve at first, but stick with it and you'll get there. Additionally, the fun never ends since you'll learn new things every day. If you run into snags, chances are that someone on the mailing lists will be able to help you if reading the docs or googling doesn't turn up a solution. Above all, have fun! Randy -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New user
Hi Im a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because Im pissed off with Windows . Regards, Tharaka - Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user
* Tharaka Abeysekera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi? I?m a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I?m pissed off with Windows . Regards, Tharaka Hello! If you gave us a little bit more information about what you exactly want to know we could give better answers. So I'll tell some basics: 1. Download FreeBSD at http://www.freebsd.org/where.html 2. Read (parts of) the handbook at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ (Chapter 2 is about installing FreeBSD) Good luck! :-) -- Ruud Jansen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail is not a website MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Away is not online pgpgAnHNld0MF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New user
thats a big question. the handbook off the website is a great resource. On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Tharaka Abeysekera wrote: Hi Im a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because Im pissed off with Windows . Regards, Tharaka - Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user
Hi, Hi I'm a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I'm pissed off with Windows . One place to wstart is to break your lines in your messages at about 70 characters. It makes your posting easier to read and reply to from text based Email clients - used by many in the FreeBSD world. Most Email clients can be configured to do this automatically. If yours cannot, then just hit a RETURN/ENTER about that point on each line. Also, it is best to use plain ASCII text rather than any of the fancy types. That works in all mailers. The fancy ones only work on mailers that have that particular type available. eg you cover a broader group of readers with plain ASCII text and that is what you want to do on a questions list. As for getting started with FreeBSD, First, it is a good idea. Congradulations. Second, it does take some effort to learn to use, but the effort will be well rewarded in time. Start by reading the FreeBSD handbook. It can be read online or downloaded freely from the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/ Handbook at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html For the US English version. You may wish to purchase one or more books on FreeBSD. There are several good ones available. Some that come to mind while I am sitting here writing are: The Complete FreeBSD, Absolute BSD and FreeBSD: An Open Source Operating System. Other people may suggest some others. Try to get the latest edition of any of them as they get updated a lot to follow the system upgrades (and correct errors). The latest major version of FreeBSD that is getting near release is 6.xxx.I don't know if any of the books have been updated for V 6.xxx yet.The Handbook is constantly being updated. Learn to look up things in the FAQs, list archives, search engines such as Google and the many web sites and online publications that have howto-s and narratives about doing various FreeBSD things. Note, though, that almost all of these web articles are written from the point of view of the person doing it and naturally contain all the prejudices and presupositions of the authors. Some of those may not suit your situation or even be the most straightforward or efficient way of doing things. But all contribute to the body of information. Follow this list and possibly the Newbies list and others that might interest you. Check the published material, either in paper form or online before splattering the lists with newbie questions. The people on the lists are busy and get tired of answering the same questions that are well documented already. Once you have tried to solve a problem with the documentation available then ask questions on the lists. Don't waste time (yours or others) with diatribes and whining about how FreeBSD is this or that and some other OS is something else. This is an Open Source, volunteer developed and supported system and the best way to get a feature or fix implemented is to write it your self and submit it as a PR. A nice friendly request also will get a better response that a self-righteous whine. The main contributers know that not everyone is capable of, or has the resources for writing some of the suggested/requested changes and can be persuaded to add things to their [long] lists, but are more likely to do so if it seems reasonable and the request is a friendly one. Remember that they are volunteers, not staff ruled by a marketing department. Now, we are about ready to get to doing it... Once you have a good idea of the process - you will never learn it completely from just reading; You have to get your hands dirty and your carpal tunnel exercised - either purchase a CD set of the latest and greatest from one of the vendors who make them up and contribute a portion back to the FreeBSD project or just download the installation CD from the FreeBSD web site or one of its mirrors. All the information about doing so is well described in the above mentioned documentation. For starters, choose the latest RELEASE version available, which, at the moment, is FreeBSD 5.4 and will probably soon be 5.5. For Newbies I would suggest waiting until you have had a little experience before diving in to a stable version. If at all possible, try it all out on a machine that you can trash without incurring much consequence. Then you can do an install and set things up and experiment and when you mess it up too much, you can just start from scratch. Take notes, so you don't have to repeat mistakes too many times.With a scratch machine, you can feel less inhibited about trying things just to see what happens. If you don't have a scratch machine available (it doesn't take much of a machine to get a reasonable FreeBSD up and running - almost any old junker beyond a 386 will do), then read up on dual booting a machine. It is actually
Re: New user
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Hi I'm a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I'm pissed off with Windows . One place to wstart is to break your lines in your messages at about 70 characters. It makes your posting easier to read and reply to from text based Email clients - used by many in the FreeBSD world. Most Email clients can be configured to do this automatically. If yours cannot, then just hit a RETURN/ENTER about that point on each line. Also, it is best to use plain ASCII text rather than any of the fancy types. That works in all mailers. The fancy ones only work on mailers that have that particular type available. eg you cover a broader group of readers with plain ASCII text and that is what you want to do on a questions list. As for getting started with FreeBSD, First, it is a good idea. Congradulations. Second, it does take some effort to learn to use, but the effort will be well rewarded in time. Start by reading the FreeBSD handbook. It can be read online or downloaded freely from the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/ Handbook at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html For the US English version. You may wish to purchase one or more books on FreeBSD. There are several good ones available. Some that come to mind while I am sitting here writing are: The Complete FreeBSD, Absolute BSD and FreeBSD: An Open Source Operating System. Other people may suggest some others. Try to get the latest edition of any of them as they get updated a lot to follow the system upgrades (and correct errors). The latest major version of FreeBSD that is getting near release is 6.xxx.I don't know if any of the books have been updated for V 6.xxx yet.The Handbook is constantly being updated. Learn to look up things in the FAQs, list archives, search engines such as Google and the many web sites and online publications that have howto-s and narratives about doing various FreeBSD things. Note, though, that almost all of these web articles are written from the point of view of the person doing it and naturally contain all the prejudices and presupositions of the authors. Some of those may not suit your situation or even be the most straightforward or efficient way of doing things. But all contribute to the body of information. Follow this list and possibly the Newbies list and others that might interest you. Check the published material, either in paper form or online before splattering the lists with newbie questions. The people on the lists are busy and get tired of answering the same questions that are well documented already. Once you have tried to solve a problem with the documentation available then ask questions on the lists. Don't waste time (yours or others) with diatribes and whining about how FreeBSD is this or that and some other OS is something else. This is an Open Source, volunteer developed and supported system and the best way to get a feature or fix implemented is to write it your self and submit it as a PR. A nice friendly request also will get a better response that a self-righteous whine. The main contributers know that not everyone is capable of, or has the resources for writing some of the suggested/requested changes and can be persuaded to add things to their [long] lists, but are more likely to do so if it seems reasonable and the request is a friendly one. Remember that they are volunteers, not staff ruled by a marketing department. Now, we are about ready to get to doing it... Once you have a good idea of the process - you will never learn it completely from just reading; You have to get your hands dirty and your carpal tunnel exercised - either purchase a CD set of the latest and greatest from one of the vendors who make them up and contribute a portion back to the FreeBSD project or just download the installation CD from the FreeBSD web site or one of its mirrors. All the information about doing so is well described in the above mentioned documentation. For starters, choose the latest RELEASE version available, which, at the moment, is FreeBSD 5.4 and will probably soon be 5.5. For Newbies I would suggest waiting until you have had a little experience before diving in to a stable version. If at all possible, try it all out on a machine that you can trash without incurring much consequence. Then you can do an install and set things up and experiment and when you mess it up too much, you can just start from scratch. Take notes, so you don't have to repeat mistakes too many times.With a scratch machine, you can feel less inhibited about trying things just to see what happens. If you don't have a scratch machine available (it
Re: New user
Tharaka Abeysekera wrote: Hi… I’m a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I’m pissed off with Windows . Regards, Tharaka It might be worth looking for local users group near you. If you haven't got a lot of experience with *nix systems there's a lot of stuff that can be put across much quicker face-to-face than in books and web sites. Ashley ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Hi I'm a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I'm pissed off with Windows . One place to wstart is to break your lines in your messages at about 70 characters. It makes your posting easier to read and reply to from text based Email clients - used by many in the FreeBSD world. Most Email clients can be configured to do this automatically. If yours cannot, then just hit a RETURN/ENTER about that point on each line. . . . and source lets you tinker and learn. You can discover things by actually reading the code. Maybe you expected more specific technical information that what I have written in this response. But, actually, the things I have covered respond to the major mistakes people make getting started with FreeBSD. The technical things are most easily covered by following the documentation either from the handbook or one of the good books on FreeBSD. Good luck and have fun, jerry i think this should be integrated into the FAQ :) It is OK with me though I notice I forgot to put in learning to use the man pages and there are several typos that need cleaning up. Maybe I should rummage through the documentation info on doing that. jerry cya, jonas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Tharaka Abeysekera wrote: I'm a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I'm pissed off with Windows On Tuesday 27 September 2005 14:29, Derrick Test wrote: thats a big question. the handbook off the website is a great resource. It can also be found on the disk (at /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html ) once you have installed. Usefull for working out how to set up internet ;-) Using it will also save FreeBSD site bandwidth :-) /Xian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user getting very discouraged with IPv6 problems, cannot get tunnel working completely :(
Am 25.09.2005 um 03:32 schrieb aksis: On the HE site, after you login, in the Tunnel Details section, there is an option to rebuild the tunnel, this might fix the problem. Beyond that I would email HE, send them the relative info and ask them to look at it. Additional check your ipv6 routing table that everything is correct. (e.g. the tspc program is not running and messing with your routingtable) Check with tcpdump/ethereal that the ping packets are leaving your site correctly. regards arved ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New user getting very discouraged with IPv6 problems, cannot get tunnel working completely :(
Hi all, I'm a brand new poster to the forums, and consider myself a novice FreeBSD user.. I used to use an IPv6 tunnel broker that worked fine, and even had a great program in C to do all the configuring of my tunnel automatically, but sadly, they are sharing my /48 with like 4 other people making it impossible to log into IRC servers. So somebody on #FreeBSD @ irc.freenode.nethttp://irc.freenode.netreccomended 2 OTHER brokers for me, one was BTexaCT and another was Hurricane Electric (www.tunnelbroker.net http://www.tunnelbroker.net, which he advised me to use.) So I got my tunnel approved at both places, but am seriously at a dead end here and it has become very discouraging, to the point where I'm blaming myself because this should be so straight-forward :( Here are the full tunnel details I was approved for Server IPV4 Address: 64.71.128.83 http://64.71.128.83 Server IPV6 Address: 2001:470:1F01:::DD2/127 Client IPV4 Address: 70.28.MY.IP Client IPV6 Address: 2001:470:1F01:::DD3/127 in my /etc/rc.conf, I have ipv6_enable=YES ipv6_gateway_enable=YES The guide I was following was: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-ipv6.html Okay, so, the steps I follow are.. ifconfig gif0 create ifconfig gif0 tunnel 70.28.MY.IP 64.71.128.83 http://64.71.128.83 (my ip then their ipv4 ip) ifconfig gif0 inet6 alias 2001:470:1F01:::DD3 That goes off without any errors or anything, and then that guide tells me to 'ping6 ff02::1%gif0' and it works perfectly, and I get ping replies, so I get REALLY excited. Then, the guide tells me to finish by route add -inet6 default -interface gif0 Then, it should be ready according to the manual, but I can only resolve IPV6 addresses, I can't actually communicate with any. ping6 'ing ipv6 addresses resolves to the proper address, but no packets are received irc'ing an ipv6 server just resolves the IPV6 address but doesn't actually get past the CONNECTING stage As I said, I'm getting really discouraged and downright depressed, and I don't know what further action to take to pursue this problem, so hopefully people here can get me up and running.. This really shouldn't be a difficult thing to do.. Also, as a side note, I also took the exact same steps with the OTHER broker I was approved for (BTexaCT) but its the same thing, I can only resolve IPV6 IP's, not communicate with them What should I do!! Thanks in advance, everyone :) -Ryan, a new FBSD user :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user getting very discouraged with IPv6 problems, cannot get tunnel working completely :(
On Friday 23 September 2005 01:08, resonant evil wrote: Here are the full tunnel details I was approved for Server IPV4 Address: 64.71.128.83 http://64.71.128.83 Server IPV6 Address: 2001:470:1F01:::DD2/127 Client IPV4 Address: 70.28.MY.IP Client IPV6 Address: 2001:470:1F01:::DD3/127 in my /etc/rc.conf, I have ipv6_enable=YES ipv6_gateway_enable=YES Im using Hurricane Electric as well, When you login to HE they have a link for an example config generation, this is what I used. I had some problems with the handbook as well. My rc.conf: ... snip ... gif_interfaces=gif0 gif1 # IPv6 tunnel gifconfig_gif0=63.226.12.96 64.71.128.82 # IPv4 tunnel for IPv6 tunnel ipv6_enable=YES# Set to YES to set up for IPv6. ipv6_network_interfaces=rl0 gif0 # List of network interfaces. ipv6_defaultrouter=2001:470:1F00:::22E # Set to IPv6 default gateway ipv6_ifconfig_rl0=2001:470:1F00:379::1 # assigned from my /64to a nic ipv6_ifconfig_gif0=2001:470:1F00:::22F 2001:470:1F00:::22E prefixlen 128 --- wrapped, should be on the above line. ... snip ... My Assigned Prefix: 2001:470:1F00:379::/64 # ifconfig gif0 gif0: flags=8051UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1280 tunnel inet 63.226.12.96 -- 64.71.128.82 inet6 fe80::2c0:f0ff:fe2a:aa7c%gif0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x8 inet6 2001:470:1f00:::22f -- 2001:470:1f00:::22e prefixlen 128 Is your firewall blocking ipv6? # /etc/rc.firewall6 open Don't leave this open after you get the tunnel working. That goes off without any errors or anything, and then that guide tells me to 'ping6 ff02::1%gif0' and it works perfectly, and I get ping replies, so I get REALLY excited. Then, the guide tells me to finish by ping their ipv6 end point of the tunnel: # ping6 2001:470:1F01:::DD2 (you sure its /127 and not /128?) If you don't get replies then there is a problem with the tunnel. irc'ing an ipv6 server just resolves the IPV6 address but doesn't actually get past the CONNECTING stage Last I knew, freenode has all HE ipv6 blocked because of abuse. This might have been lifted, I don't use ipv6 for irc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user getting very discouraged with IPv6 problems, cannot get tunnel working completely :(
Hi, thanks for the response, but alas it's still not working :( On 9/24/05, aksis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im using Hurricane Electric as well, When you login to HE they have a link for an example config generation, this is what I used. I had some problems with the handbook as well. Yeah, I was following their example configs also, I saw it there :( My rc.conf: ... snip ... gif_interfaces=gif0 gif1 # IPv6 tunnel gifconfig_gif0=63.226.12.96 http://63.226.12.96 64.71.128.82http://64.71.128.82 # IPv4 tunnel for IPv6 tunnel ipv6_enable=YES # Set to YES to set up for IPv6. ipv6_network_interfaces=rl0 gif0 # List of network interfaces. ipv6_defaultrouter=2001:470:1F00:::22E # Set to IPv6 default gateway ipv6_ifconfig_rl0=2001:470:1F00:379::1 # assigned from my /64to a nic ipv6_ifconfig_gif0=2001:470:1F00:::22F 2001:470:1F00:::22E prefixlen 128 --- wrapped, should be on the above line. ... snip ... I was missing alot of that stuff, so I filled it in with the appropriate values, here's what mine looks like (and upon reboot everything looked good) ... ipv6_enable=YES ipv6_gateway_enable=YES gif_interfaces=gif0 gif1 gifconfig_gif0=70.28.134.212 http://70.28.134.212 64.71.128.83http://64.71.128.83 ipv6_network_interfaces=rl0 gif0 ipv6_defaultrouter=2001:470:1F01:::DD2 # default ipv6 gateway ipv6_ifconfig_gif0=2001:470:1F01:::DD3 2001:470:1F01:::DD2 prefixlen 128 is the ipv6 section of my /etc/rc.conf, on bootup everything seemed to take effect properly # ifconfig gif0 gif0: flags=8051UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1280 tunnel inet 63.226.12.96 http://63.226.12.96 -- 64.71.128.82http://64.71.128.82 inet6 fe80::2c0:f0ff:fe2a:aa7c%gif0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x8 inet6 2001:470:1f00:::22f -- 2001:470:1f00:::22e prefixlen 128 su-3.00# ifconfig gif0 gif0: flags=8051UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1280 tunnel inet 70.28.134.212 http://70.28.134.212 -- 64.71.128.83http://64.71.128.83 inet6 fe80::240:f4ff:fe2d:a9f7%gif0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 inet6 2001:470:1f01:::dd3 -- 2001:470:1f01:::dd2 prefixlen 128 which from what I can gather looks absolutely correct, doesn't it :( Is your firewall blocking ipv6? # /etc/rc.firewall6 open No such file on my system, I'm using 5.3-RELEASE I don't think the firewall is blocking ipv6 because www.hexago.comhttp://www.hexago.com(my old broker, freenet6) had a great 'tspc' program (that was compiled from C) that did all the work for me, and that tunnel still works great, except its unstable for me and is completely blacklisted from most IRC networks Don't leave this open after you get the tunnel working. That goes off without any errors or anything, and then that guide tells me to 'ping6 ff02::1%gif0' and it works perfectly, and I get ping replies, so I get REALLY excited. Then, the guide tells me to finish by ping their ipv6 end point of the tunnel: # ping6 2001:470:1F01:::DD2 (you sure its /127 and not /128?) If you don't get replies then there is a problem with the tunnel. su-3.00# ping6 2001:470:1F01:::DD2 PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:470:1f01:::dd3 -- 2001:470:1f01:::dd2 ^C --- 2001:470:1F01:::DD2 ping6 statistics --- 9 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss I really appreciate the help thus far man :) Any other suggestions or reccomendations would be greatly appreciated.. I can also provide output from anything you might find useful, just let me know :) I really would love to get this working, it would be a good confidence boost for me if I could just figure this out Thanks again :) -Ryan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user getting very discouraged with IPv6 problems, cannot get tunnel working completely :(
On the HE site, after you login, in the Tunnel Details section, there is an option to rebuild the tunnel, this might fix the problem. Beyond that I would email HE, send them the relative info and ask them to look at it. Your side looks correct. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user questions :)
Graham Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also wondered if there is a project based on FreeBSD that achieves similar goals to SME Server (ie all in one LAN server with Web config) or similar to Trustix (ie minimal config with series of scripts to configure server services. Not that I know of, but it sure would be a nice project, huh? definitely a nice one. hmm...what would be the best way to go about it? - add an option to sysinstall SME (well, whatever that would be named of course) - add a port that 'depends' / installs all the other ports needed - with questions and answer to start setting up your system...or some kind of UI for it (ugh) - same as with ports, but prec-compiled packages. hmm...must download SME to test and see how they went about it. Hi Guys, Iw as wondering how I would even go about starting a project like this using FreeBSD as I know even less than I do about Linux (not much) but I really rate SME and would love to see a FreeBSD version as FreeBSD seems even more suited to this type of thing (ie a stable distro to base a good project on:) Did you get round to checking out SME ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user questions :)
On Apr 7, 2005 2:58 AM, Graham Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also wondered if there is a project based on FreeBSD that achieves similar goals to SME Server (ie all in one LAN server with Web config) or similar to Trustix (ie minimal config with series of scripts to configure server services. Not that I know of, but it sure would be a nice project, huh? definitely a nice one. hmm...what would be the best way to go about it? - add an option to sysinstall SME (well, whatever that would be named of course) - add a port that 'depends' / installs all the other ports needed - with questions and answer to start setting up your system...or some kind of UI for it (ugh) - same as with ports, but prec-compiled packages. hmm...must download SME to test and see how they went about it. Hi Guys, Iw as wondering how I would even go about starting a project like this using FreeBSD as I know even less than I do about Linux (not much) but I really rate SME and would love to see a FreeBSD version as FreeBSD seems even more suited to this type of thing (ie a stable distro to base a good project on:) Did you get round to checking out SME ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Graham, After taking a quick look at SME I can see it's appeal. I'm not sure if there is an equivalent for FreeBSD, but it would be a nice addition. Webmin does allot of this functionality as well if you haven't taken a look at that. To start a project like SME all you need to do is start hacking, and provide a web based community for it so that others are aware of it and possibly start helping out. Because they are both *nix based operating systems you may be able to start by porting the web manager from SME to FreeBSD 5.4 +. --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am new User
Hi I want Learn FreeBSD but I am New in Unix Platform. I have MCSE and CCNA Certification and I am Administrator in an ISP and some companies. I was Download FreeBSD 5.3 Which books or sites you suggest me to learn? Thank you Pedram Akbari ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I am new User
Pedram, The best first reference about FreeBSD (in my opinion) is their own hadnbook. Take a look that: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ It is a complete reference to install and use it. After read it ... if you have any more questions ... post it to the list. Have you did the download of the FreeBSD 5.3 first CD from Freebsd.org ? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.3/5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso The CD1 is enought for you to install it. Be welcome !!! Att, Giuliano ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
