Re: Custom Software for Municipalities
I've done better looking MVC framework websites using PHP Yii Framework, Perl Catalyst or Perl Mojolicious. It was a while ago, but I had no experience with MVC back then. It took me about a week to completely grok the frameworks and concepts (like authorization model abstraction). After you have knowledge of the framework, I would say it would take a day to make the simple CRUD layout that you see and then a week or two to polish it off. I would conservatively give a programmer a month to complete and polish a similar system, with all the database design, modifications to the views, models and controllers. It looks like the programmer might of been using ASP MVC, but I can't fully tell. I'd recommend you go with an open-source stack of FreeBSD, PostgreSQL Database and one of the Frameworks I mentioned above. I'd recommend Ruby on Rails if I knew more about it. I have no knowledge of Python MVC frameworks. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Jerry wrote: > I have been charged with investigation alternate software packages for > use in our community. The one shown at this URL: > <http://www.granvillecounty.zpuser.com/> is an example of what I am > referring to. This is the home URL for that software: > <http://zoneprosoftware.com/support/index.htm> > > I work for a town in the county shown above. We are investigating the > possibility of setting up something like this on the town's web site to > assist our citizens in searching for information. This project has a > one year lead-in time, so it is not particularly time sensitive at this > moment. We are still in the preliminary stage. The system will > undoubtedly be using Microsoft 2013 servers, although I could always > get a FreeBSD server integrated into the system if I could find a > viable piece of software to handle the job that the ZonePro software > does. > > I have not been able to locate an open-source application that works in > a similar manner. Perhaps someone might be familiar with one or has > heard of one. > > -- > Jerry ♔ > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __ > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" -- James Gosnell, ACP ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Custom Software for Municipalities
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Mark Felder wrote: > This literally looks like a CRUD interface that could easily be rebuilt. > PHPMyEdit, Dadabik, and others provide easy ways to produce these > interfaces from database tables. > > For the record I wouldn't recommend Dadabik unless it does something > specific that you need (postgres or sqlite support, I suppose). The > developer is strange and doesn't understand open source licenses. A year > or so ago I paid him $5 to get a copy of his program, received GPLv2 > code, and then he got angry and started threatening me when I published > it on github with some minor cleanup and translation fixes. He's since > changed the license to something else. > I concur, whats posted looks like a joke... can be reproduced by any decent php dev in probably a few hours, and im sure theres plenty of "engines" open source already available > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Custom Software for Municipalities
This literally looks like a CRUD interface that could easily be rebuilt. PHPMyEdit, Dadabik, and others provide easy ways to produce these interfaces from database tables. For the record I wouldn't recommend Dadabik unless it does something specific that you need (postgres or sqlite support, I suppose). The developer is strange and doesn't understand open source licenses. A year or so ago I paid him $5 to get a copy of his program, received GPLv2 code, and then he got angry and started threatening me when I published it on github with some minor cleanup and translation fixes. He's since changed the license to something else. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Custom Software for Municipalities
I have been charged with investigation alternate software packages for use in our community. The one shown at this URL: <http://www.granvillecounty.zpuser.com/> is an example of what I am referring to. This is the home URL for that software: <http://zoneprosoftware.com/support/index.htm> I work for a town in the county shown above. We are investigating the possibility of setting up something like this on the town's web site to assist our citizens in searching for information. This project has a one year lead-in time, so it is not particularly time sensitive at this moment. We are still in the preliminary stage. The system will undoubtedly be using Microsoft 2013 servers, although I could always get a FreeBSD server integrated into the system if I could find a viable piece of software to handle the job that the ZonePro software does. I have not been able to locate an open-source application that works in a similar manner. Perhaps someone might be familiar with one or has heard of one. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD software installation problems
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:32:28 +0800 (CST) chenjunbing1234 wrote: > questi...@freebsd.org > Iknowvery littleEnglish, and Iwant to learnfreebsd,I was > underftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/zh_CN.GB2312/books/handbook/above > tutorialto installand preparation, andmeta lot of problems,Imade > athreehttp://bbs.chinaunix.net/forum-5-1.htmlforumpostingsentitled:novicestep > by stepinstallFreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE,not many peopleto helpMymainproblemis the > softwareinstalled,I hopeto get your help. What problems did you met? I don't understand chinese, sorry. What do you try to install? The page http://bbs.chinaunix.net/forum-5-1.htmlforumpostingsentitled:novice doesn't exist. Perhaps PC-BSD may help you to install it. --- --- Eduardo Morras ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
FreeBSD software installation problems
questi...@freebsd.org Iknowvery littleEnglish, and Iwant to learnfreebsd,I was underftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/zh_CN.GB2312/books/handbook/above tutorialto installand preparation, andmeta lot of problems,Imade athreehttp://bbs.chinaunix.net/forum-5-1.htmlforumpostingsentitled:novicestep by stepinstallFreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE,not many peopleto helpMymainproblemis the softwareinstalled,I hopeto get your help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Problem making software distros
"Don O'Neil" writes: > I've got an older FreeBSD 6.1 install that will no longer allow me to build > any software distributions. Any time I try to do a 'configure', the > configure seems to run fine, then I get a "config.status: error: cannot find > input file:". This has happened on several packages from several different > sources. > > > > Any ideas as to what could be causing this? Is one of my binaries make > corrupted possibly? Unlikely to be a corrupted binary. Much more likely to be that configure scripts are trying to use a file as input for their testing, and not finding it. Tracking down *what* file they want shouldn't be too much effort. If it turns out to be, you can always update to something recent enough to be supported, but that's probably unnecessary for this problem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Problem making software distros
I've got an older FreeBSD 6.1 install that will no longer allow me to build any software distributions. Any time I try to do a 'configure', the configure seems to run fine, then I get a "config.status: error: cannot find input file:". This has happened on several packages from several different sources. Any ideas as to what could be causing this? Is one of my binaries make corrupted possibly? Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: software support
On 26-03-2013, Tue [10:10:46], Oblitey, Edmund wrote: > I am trying to install FreeBSD on a E7520/6300ESB chipset. Program > freezes during probing devices. It always restart when it gets to the > atkbd0. Want to know if u can help me on it. > Sometimes it helps to disable ACPI support in the loader menu, and enable debugging. You could also try to reset your system's BIOS settings, if you know what you're doing of course. ;) -- Dmitry Sarkisov <-\ Powered by <---o <-/ FreeBSD ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: software support
On 26/03/2013 14:10, Oblitey, Edmund wrote: > I am trying to install FreeBSD on a E7520/6300ESB chipset. Program > freezes during probing devices. It always restart when it gets to the > atkbd0. Want to know if u can help me on it. Sounds like there's something on-board that either isn't supported or that doesn't get the right driver bound to it. Or that might possibly be defective. What version of FreeBSD are you trying to install? Can you definitely run other OSes without problems on this same hardware? Can you try disconnecting as many non-essential peripherals as possible and see if that allows FreeBSD to boot? Cheers, Matthew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
software support
I am trying to install FreeBSD on a E7520/6300ESB chipset. Program freezes during probing devices. It always restart when it gets to the atkbd0. Want to know if u can help me on it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: Also, not being able to boot if first disk has some error in boot section or just strangly dead is not an option too. However, i was just thinking, if i use gmirror then bios does not know anything about it. I may set both harddisk as boot disk, but if first disk is brain damaged then bios may just stuck trying to boot from it and will not pass boot attempt to the second disk. I don't know, it depends on bios of course. But this seems to be a disadvantage to a software raid. That's true. The similar situation with hardware RAID is when the controller fails. The metadata is probably specific to that manufacturer and maybe to that model of controller. It's a good idea to get spares, because as Murphy is my witness, in an emergency that controller will not be available in the same town, district, country, or continent. More likely it will have been long discontinued, with no data migration path. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
30.01.2013 19:28, Paul Kraus: On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Warren Block wrote: If you want to use the same drive for booting, it's possible. Create all three partitions on both drives manually. Then mirror the freebsd-ufs partition only. The contents of the freebsd-boot partition don't change often, and swap does not have to be mirrored. Note that if you do NOT mirror SWAP, then in the event of a disk failure you will most likely crash when the system tries to swap in some data from the failed drive. If you mirror swap then you do not risk a crash due to missing swap data. yes, that's what i wanted to say. Also, not being able to boot if first disk has some error in boot section or just strangly dead is not an option too. However, i was just thinking, if i use gmirror then bios does not know anything about it. I may set both harddisk as boot disk, but if first disk is brain damaged then bios may just stuck trying to boot from it and will not pass boot attempt to the second disk. I don't know, it depends on bios of course. But this seems to be a disadvantage to a software raid. Artem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Warren Block wrote: > If you want to use the same drive for booting, it's possible. Create all > three partitions on both drives manually. Then mirror the freebsd-ufs > partition only. The contents of the freebsd-boot partition don't change > often, and swap does not have to be mirrored. Note that if you do NOT mirror SWAP, then in the event of a disk failure you will most likely crash when the system tries to swap in some data from the failed drive. If you mirror swap then you do not risk a crash due to missing swap data. -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: 30.01.2013 18:06, Warren Block: GPT partitions should work, just limit it to one mirrored partition per drive. Please, clarify what you mean here. If only one GPT partition on a drive is mirrored with another GPT partition on another drive, head contention never comes up. There is only one mirror. It does nearly eliminate the usefulness of GPT partitioning. Um... and how can i do that if i have a simple mirror with two drives and want to mirror everything on them? As i understand i will have at least bootable, swap and ufs parttions on those drives, that is 3 partitions at least. If you want to use the same drive for booting, it's possible. Create all three partitions on both drives manually. Then mirror the freebsd-ufs partition only. The contents of the freebsd-boot partition don't change often, and swap does not have to be mirrored. Not that it's easy or convenient, but it's an option. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
There seems to be one more advantage to gmirror If i understood correctly gmirror label -v -b split -s 2048 data da0 da1 da2 will create a tripple mirror raid 1, that is triple redundancy, which is hardly available on any hardware raid. Am i correct here? Also, does anyone know how to choose split threshold (-s 2048) correctly ? Artem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > You can spend the extra money you spare on the controller buying good disks; > as someone else pointed out don't get "desktop-class" ones, but "24x7" ones. Server Class drives buy you some improvement, but my recent experience with Seagate Barracuda ES.2 drives is not that good. I have had 50% of them fail within the 5-year warranty period. My disks run 24x7 and I use ZFS under FreeBSD 9 so I have not lost any data. I have: 2 x Seagate ES.2 250 GB (one has failed) 4 x Seagate ES.2 1 TB (two have failed) 2 x Hitachi UltraStar 1 TB (pre-WD acquisition), no failures, but they are less than 2 years old. They are also noticeably faster than the Seagate ES.2 I just ordered 2 x WD RE4 500 GB, we'll see how those do I go out of my way to purchase disks with a 5-year warranty, they are still out there but you have to look for them. -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
30.01.2013 18:06, Warren Block: On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: 30.01.2013 1:01, Warren Block: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: 29.01.2013 18:57, Warren Block: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: The Handbook chapter on gmirror talks about the problems with GPT and GEOM metadata. In short: right now, they conflict. It's possible to mirror GPT partitions, but be aware that if you mirror more than one partition on a drive, a rebuild after replacing a drive could thrash the heads as mirrors are rebuilt simultaneously. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html So, gmirror+GPT=conflict on last sector GPT+gmirror = hardrive head kill nice... So, for no more than 2TB disks the best way to go is GMIRROR of the drive +PARTITION on top of it? GPT partitions should work, just limit it to one mirrored partition per drive. Please, clarify what you mean here. If only one GPT partition on a drive is mirrored with another GPT partition on another drive, head contention never comes up. There is only one mirror. It does nearly eliminate the usefulness of GPT partitioning. Um... and how can i do that if i have a simple mirror with two drives and want to mirror everything on them? As i understand i will have at least bootable, swap and ufs parttions on those drives, that is 3 partitions at least. Artem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: 30.01.2013 1:01, Warren Block: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: 29.01.2013 18:57, Warren Block: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: The Handbook chapter on gmirror talks about the problems with GPT and GEOM metadata. In short: right now, they conflict. It's possible to mirror GPT partitions, but be aware that if you mirror more than one partition on a drive, a rebuild after replacing a drive could thrash the heads as mirrors are rebuilt simultaneously. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html So, gmirror+GPT=conflict on last sector GPT+gmirror = hardrive head kill nice... So, for no more than 2TB disks the best way to go is GMIRROR of the drive +PARTITION on top of it? GPT partitions should work, just limit it to one mirrored partition per drive. Please, clarify what you mean here. If only one GPT partition on a drive is mirrored with another GPT partition on another drive, head contention never comes up. There is only one mirror. It does nearly eliminate the usefulness of GPT partitioning. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On 01/28/13 21:43, Artem Kuchin wrote: I am planning to use mirror configuration of two SATA 7200rpm 2TB disks. I personally vote for gmirror in this case; I've used it a lot and found it very good wrt to both performance and robustness. You can spend the extra money you spare on the controller buying good disks; as someone else pointed out don't get "desktop-class" ones, but "24x7" ones. Just my 2c. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
30.01.2013 1:01, Warren Block: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: 29.01.2013 18:57, Warren Block: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: The Handbook chapter on gmirror talks about the problems with GPT and GEOM metadata. In short: right now, they conflict. It's possible to mirror GPT partitions, but be aware that if you mirror more than one partition on a drive, a rebuild after replacing a drive could thrash the heads as mirrors are rebuilt simultaneously. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html So, gmirror+GPT=conflict on last sector GPT+gmirror = hardrive head kill nice... So, for no more than 2TB disks the best way to go is GMIRROR of the drive +PARTITION on top of it? GPT partitions should work, just limit it to one mirrored partition per drive. Please, clarify what you mean here. Or maybe there is a way to instruct gmirror do rebuild only what i say (manual rebuild) ? 'gmirror configure -n' ? Have not tried it. The trick would be to do that before multiple mirrors start rebuilding, which they will as soon as geom_mirror.ko is loaded. As i understand from the man page -n setup the device not to auto rebuild ever. So, this is probably the thing i want. I need to setup a test system and play with it a bit. Artem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
> My other concern is what happens when one drive goes down if we use > gmirror? Is it completelly transparent > and bad drive can be hot swapped while server is running and rebuild > started? > I am thinking now about gpt+gmirror (including boot and swap) > > Artem > Yes. In fact, you can test this by unplugging the data or power cable to a drive while the server is running. I've done this with consumer sata drives and, so far, not had a problem. The server stays up and running and disk access is not interrupted. I can then plug in a new disk and add it to the gmirror and the array rebuilds. I've not tried this with gpt, so I can't comment there. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: 29.01.2013 18:57, Warren Block: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: The Handbook chapter on gmirror talks about the problems with GPT and GEOM metadata. In short: right now, they conflict. It's possible to mirror GPT partitions, but be aware that if you mirror more than one partition on a drive, a rebuild after replacing a drive could thrash the heads as mirrors are rebuilt simultaneously. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html So, gmirror+GPT=conflict on last sector GPT+gmirror = hardrive head kill nice... So, for no more than 2TB disks the best way to go is GMIRROR of the drive +PARTITION on top of it? GPT partitions should work, just limit it to one mirrored partition per drive. Or maybe there is a way to instruct gmirror do rebuild only what i say (manual rebuild) ? 'gmirror configure -n' ? Have not tried it. The trick would be to do that before multiple mirrors start rebuilding, which they will as soon as geom_mirror.ko is loaded. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:57:31 -0600, Warren Block wrote: As far a gmirror is concerned, yes, drives can be removed and new drives inserted while the mirror is running. Hot swap is more of an issue with the hardware. I have not tried it with SATA drives, although I think it should work. The Handbook chapter on gmirror talks about the problems with GPT and GEOM metadata. In short: right now, they conflict. It's possible to mirror GPT partitions, but be aware that if you mirror more than one partition on a drive, a rebuild after replacing a drive could thrash the heads as mirrors are rebuilt simultaneously. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html Why isn't gmirror more intelligent? I hate to use Linux as an example, but mdadm won't simultaneously rebuild multiple RAID sets if they use the same physical providers to prevent this. Could this be added as a feature? Even a sysctl toggle? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
29.01.2013 18:57, Warren Block: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: The Handbook chapter on gmirror talks about the problems with GPT and GEOM metadata. In short: right now, they conflict. It's possible to mirror GPT partitions, but be aware that if you mirror more than one partition on a drive, a rebuild after replacing a drive could thrash the heads as mirrors are rebuilt simultaneously. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html So, gmirror+GPT=conflict on last sector GPT+gmirror = hardrive head kill nice... So, for no more than 2TB disks the best way to go is GMIRROR of the drive +PARTITION on top of it? Or maybe there is a way to instruct gmirror do rebuild only what i say (manual rebuild) ? Artem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Artem Kuchin wrote: My other concern is what happens when one drive goes down if we use gmirror? Is it completelly transparent and bad drive can be hot swapped while server is running and rebuild started? I am thinking now about gpt+gmirror (including boot and swap) As far a gmirror is concerned, yes, drives can be removed and new drives inserted while the mirror is running. Hot swap is more of an issue with the hardware. I have not tried it with SATA drives, although I think it should work. The Handbook chapter on gmirror talks about the problems with GPT and GEOM metadata. In short: right now, they conflict. It's possible to mirror GPT partitions, but be aware that if you mirror more than one partition on a drive, a rebuild after replacing a drive could thrash the heads as mirrors are rebuilt simultaneously. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
Artem Kuchin wrote: [snip] > The server is going to be a web server with many sites and with mysql > running on it. Nothing really really > heavy. Currently with run all this on our own server with 8 cores and > 16GB ram and 3ware raid1 > and cpu load is about 5% :) Everything is quick and responsive. I hope > to see the same on a software raid. The controller would be a slight concern. But for what you've described doing I doubt it will be a big deal. The 3Ware may have a faster processor on it than say a generic onboard built-in. But since all we're talking here is a RAID 1 mirror my guess is it may not be a big enough difference to see. Writes will be just as if you are writing to 1 drive, reads will be faster. Maybe that 5% cpu load turns into 6% or 7%. > I really don't want to deploy ZFS on a new server where all these site > need to migrate because i am kind of > "don't fix it if it is not broken" kind of guy. > UFS+journaling+softupdates served us well for years and snapshots > are available on ufs too. I understand; I've only played around with ZFS some on Solaris. I may move in that direction some day, but for now > My other concern is what happens when one drive goes down if we use > gmirror? Is it completelly transparent > and bad drive can be hot swapped while server is running and rebuild > started? > I am thinking now about gpt+gmirror (including boot and swap) I've never actually hot-swapped one but I can't see any reason why not. You can't use the gmirror remove directive when a drive has failed, but you do a gmirror forget , swap it, then just do gmirror insert to insert the replaced drive into the mirror. When everything is working as it should gmirror is mostly 'automatic', e.g. after the insert the rebuild just starts. Main thing I appreciated about this is the server stayed up and online after one drive died. My two servers at home are my testbeds to test out things first before doing stuff to the ones at work. I just installed both to 9.1. The difference now is I've used GPT (gpart) and this is new to me. Previously everything was always fdisk and disklabel. Both these machines are setup on one drive at this point and I haven't yet gotten into the mirroring yet. With the old fdisk/disklabel it was simple to just mirror the entire drive itself (slice). The other approach is to mirror partitions. I think I may need to do this as I think this is the way you have to proceed in order to avoid having gpt and gmirror both trying to claim the last sector on the drive (metadata storage). -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
29.01.2013 11:54, Michael Powell: Artem Kuchin wrote: I guess what I'm trying to point out is that low performance wrt software RAID will stem from other things besides just simply consuming a few CPU cycles. Today's CPUs have the cycles to spare. I've been using gmirror for RAID 1 mirrors for a few years now and am happy with this. I have had a few old drives die and the servers stayed up and online. This allowed me to defer the actual drive replacement and not have to drop everything and fight fire. Thank you everyone for replying. I realize that many other things affect the performance, not only the CPU power. For example, disk IO kernel multithreading is one of the things. But i guess in FBSD 9 it is more or less solved. The server is going to be a web server with many sites and with mysql running on it. Nothing really really heavy. Currently with run all this on our own server with 8 cores and 16GB ram and 3ware raid1 and cpu load is about 5% :) Everything is quick and responsive. I hope to see the same on a software raid. I really don't want to deploy ZFS on a new server where all these site need to migrate because i am kind of "don't fix it if it is not broken" kind of guy. UFS+journaling+softupdates served us well for years and snapshots are available on ufs too. My other concern is what happens when one drive goes down if we use gmirror? Is it completelly transparent and bad drive can be hot swapped while server is running and rebuild started? I am thinking now about gpt+gmirror (including boot and swap) Artem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
Artem Kuchin wrote: > Hello! > > I have to made a decision on choosing a dedicated server. > The problem i see is that while i can find very affordable and good > options they do not > provide hardware raid or even if they do it is not the best hardware for > freebsd. > The server base conf is 8core 32gb ram 2.8+ ghz. > So, maybe someone has personal experience with both worlds and can tell > if it > really matters in such configuration if i go for software raid. What are > the benefits > and what are the negatives of software raid? How much is the performance > penalty? > I am planning to use mirror configuration of two SATA 7200rpm 2TB disks. > Nothing fancy. > File system planned is UFS with journaling. I can't say for sure exactly what's best for your needs, however, please allow me to toss out some very generic tidbits which may aid you in some way. Historically back when RAID was new, hardware controllers were the only way to go. Back then I would never look at software RAID for a server machine. Best to offload as much work away from the CPU as possible to free it up for running the OS. What has changed is the amount of raw horsepower available from modern-day processors as compared to when RAID first came out. On the multi-core monster CPUs of today software RAID is a perfectly viable consideration because there are CPU cycles to spare, so the "performance penalty" is less now than it once was. Having said that, there are several other considerations to keep in mind as well. The type of RAID required matters. If you want/need RAID 5/6 it is definitely better to go with hardware RAID because of the horsepower required to do the XOR parity generation. You would want RAID 5/6 running on a hardware controller and not on the CPU. On the other hand, RAID 0, 1, and 10 are fine candidates for software RAID. One thing I've noticed that seems to somewhat get lost in this discussion is equating software-based RAID with not needing to spend money on the expensive RAID controller. At first glance it does seem like quite a waste to spend hundreds of dollars on a really fast RAID controller and then turn all its functionality off and just use it JBOD style. If you truly want performance you still need the processing power of the hardware chip on the (expensive) controller. Most central to this is I/Os per second. This matters more to some workloads than others, with being a database server probably at the top of the list where I/Os per second is king. The better the chip on the controller card the more I/Os per second. Another thing that matters less wrt to server hardware is the third kind of RAID known as "fake" or "pseudo" RAID. This is mostly found on desktop PC motherboards and some low-end (cheap) hardware cards. There is a config in the BIOS to set up so-called "RAID", but it is only half of the matter - the other half is in the driver. FreeBSD does indeed have support for some of these "fake RAID" things but I stay far far away from them. Either go hardware or pure software only - the fakeraid is crap. Another thing I'd warn you about is the drives themselves. Take a look: http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1397 Many people get very lucky much of the time and don't experience problems with this. Using drives designed for desktop PCs with RAID can be prone to problem. Drives designed for servers are more expensive, but I've always felt it is better to put server drives in servers. :-) In terms of a 'performance penalty' what you will find is it gets shifted away from just losing a few CPU cycles into other areas. If the drives are Advanced Format 4k sector critters and they aren't properly aligned in the partitioning phase of set up performance will take a hit. If the controller chip they are hooked up to is slow, then the entire drive subsystem will suffer. Another thing you will find that will surface as a problem area is the shift away from the old style DOS MBR scheme and towards GPT. Software RAID (and indeed hardware controllers too) store their metadata at the end of the drive and needs to be "outside" the file system. The problem arises when both the software raid and the GPT partitioning try to store metadata to the same location and collide. Just knowing about this in advance and spending some quality reading time about it prior to trying to set up the box will help greatly. Plenty has been written (even in this list) about this subject by people smarter than me so the info you need is out there, albeit it can be confusing at first. I guess what I'm trying to point out is that low performance wrt software RAID will stem from other things besides just simply consuming a few CPU cycles. Today's CPUs have the cycles to spare. I've been using gmirror
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On Jan 28, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Artem Kuchin wrote: > I have to made a decision on choosing a dedicated server. > The problem i see is that while i can find very affordable and good options > they do not > provide hardware raid or even if they do it is not the best hardware for > freebsd. I prefer SW RAID, specifically ZFS, for two very large reasons: 1) Visibility: From the OS layer you have very good visibility into the health of the RAID set and the underlying drives. All of the lower end HW RAID solutions I have seen require proprietary software to "manage" the RAID configuration, usually from the physical system's BIOS layer. Finding good OS layer software to monitor the RAID and the drives has been very painful. If you don't know you have a failure, then you can't do anything about it and when you have a second failure you lose data. Running a HW RAID system and not being able to issue a simple command from the OS and see the status of the RAID scares me. 2) Error Detection and Correction: HW RAID relies on the drives to report read and write errors. With UNCORRECTABLE error rates of 10^-14 and 10^-15 and LARGE (1 TB plus) drives you are almost guaranteed to statistically run into UNCORRECTABLE errors over the life of a typical drive. ZFS has end to end checksums and can detect a single bad bit from a drive, if the set is redundant it can recreate the correct data and re-write it, effectively correcting the bad data on disk. NOTE: Larger, more expensive HW RAID systems address both of the above issues, but at a much higher cost in terms of money and management overhead. DISCLAIMER: I have been managing mission critical, cannot afford to lose it data under ZFS for over 5 years, with no loss of data (even with some horribly unreliable low cost HW RAID systems under the ZFS layer... if we had not used ZFS we would have lost data multiple times). -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: On 01/28/13 21:43, Artem Kuchin wrote: Hello! I have to made a decision on choosing a dedicated server. The problem i see is that while i can find very affordable and good options they do not provide hardware raid or even if they do it is not the best hardware for freebsd. The server base conf is 8core 32gb ram 2.8+ ghz. So, maybe someone has personal experience with both worlds and can tell if it really matters in such configuration if i go for software raid. What are the benefits and what are the negatives of software raid? How much is the performance penalty? I am planning to use mirror configuration of two SATA 7200rpm 2TB disks. Nothing fancy. File system planned is UFS with journaling. I won't delve into detail here but if the data is important HW RAID is where you want to be. Perhaps you could give us a little more details A problem with HW RAID is that if the controller breaks, you need to get an identical controller to replace it, or the data will be lost. With software raid, you can read the data on any machine that will boot FreeBSD. That is a great convenience compared to searching eBay for an obsolete controller with the proper rev level. We haven't noticed any speed disadvantage on modern multi-core hardware and RAID 1. The advantages of HW raid escape me - I understand that years ago it provided OS independence and reduced CPU load, but it no longer provides the former, and with 8 cores do you need the latter while waiting for a disk platter to spin? ZFS is worthwhile, too, especially since you have a good amount of memory. That would give you snapshots and some other desirable features, such as background scanning for defects that UFS doesn't have. about what the purpose of the server is? Mission-critical or low cost? Those two tends to be mutually exclusive... Surely the presence of SATA drives shows that low cost is essential. Mirroring and ZFS provide very important advantages. HW raid seems to fill a much needed gap (apologies to Brian Kernigan). daniel feenberg We are HP-only but have good experience from LSI as well. Just my $0.02. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software raid VS hardware raid
On 01/28/13 21:43, Artem Kuchin wrote: > Hello! > > I have to made a decision on choosing a dedicated server. > The problem i see is that while i can find very affordable and good > options they do not > provide hardware raid or even if they do it is not the best hardware for > freebsd. > The server base conf is 8core 32gb ram 2.8+ ghz. > So, maybe someone has personal experience with both worlds and can tell > if it > really matters in such configuration if i go for software raid. What are > the benefits > and what are the negatives of software raid? How much is the performance > penalty? > I am planning to use mirror configuration of two SATA 7200rpm 2TB disks. > Nothing fancy. > File system planned is UFS with journaling. > I won't delve into detail here but if the data is important HW RAID is where you want to be. Perhaps you could give us a little more details about what the purpose of the server is? Mission-critical or low cost? Those two tends to be mutually exclusive... We are HP-only but have good experience from LSI as well. Just my $0.02. //per ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Software raid VS hardware raid
Hello! I have to made a decision on choosing a dedicated server. The problem i see is that while i can find very affordable and good options they do not provide hardware raid or even if they do it is not the best hardware for freebsd. The server base conf is 8core 32gb ram 2.8+ ghz. So, maybe someone has personal experience with both worlds and can tell if it really matters in such configuration if i go for software raid. What are the benefits and what are the negatives of software raid? How much is the performance penalty? I am planning to use mirror configuration of two SATA 7200rpm 2TB disks. Nothing fancy. File system planned is UFS with journaling. Artem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
i want to order one software
Hi there guys i want to order one software if possible to use on Linux machines freeBSD, Ubuntu, Centos, Debian and Fedora the software i want is to use as DNS Network, WWW hostname add, directories, www folder listview, hostnames hosted on the servers to start DNS Network > each machine connects to each machine and read writes hosts to the www from each machine to be AIO add dns IP and Hostname from Ubuntu, freeBSD, centos, debian, windows, mac and will be remoted to each one DNS Mysql > the database to each machine to read from each machine databases if one dataabase is down other machine runs it www directory > diferent www directories like install on the 1st HDD and use other HDD for host the sites and files i will install the operation system on SSD disk and use Sata HDD to hosting files SSD 128 GB = operation system freeBSD HDD 1 = videos/www/ HDD 2 = hosting/www/ HDD 3 = music/www/ and so on to be like this way one software to add hostname to the directory add IP address add hostname choose port choose the file to run on server index php and click save and its up and running the site on the server on webvrowsers to make sure just shows the domain name http://www.domain.com <-- this way if possible one software similar ad MAC Admin Tools Tiger server add one Listview videos/www directory list and combobox choose the directory to view all the websites and hosting files one listview to change chmod permisions click on the checkbox file 755 and change on text 777 and save permissions its that possible add wine on feebsd to be already in feebsd dont need to intall after already comes with wine i would like to know is if i install wine on freebsd and use exe files created in VB net it will work 100% i know a bit of VB net and i want to build my applications to use on linux can you help me to build this type of software and i will pay for it i want to pay this software to be mine i can send you the application made in VB net the ideas i had built to use if you accept it i will send you the source code in VB net let me know if you want to build the software i need for use on linux machines thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software Manager - try again later
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:43:34 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Thank you :) > > I've got some thoughts, before I continue. > > What version of FreeBSD does include the snd_hdspe driver? Do I have to > download and burn a version > 9.0? Yes, I think you should use 9-STABLE for that. > Since the issue to get the needed slice/partition with the needed file > system is solved by installing PC-BSD 8.2 instead of FreeBSD 9.0, I > could backup the current install and then delete all files (but keep the > slice and fs) and try to install FreeBSD again. That's a good idea. You could skip manually deleting any files. Just have the installer format them (omitting the step of creating them of course). > If it shouldn't work, I > still could restore PC-BSD from the backup. That should work fine. > Since I want to test audio and MIDI, I wonder if 64 bit is the right > choice. Is there something I should know about advantages and drawbacks > of 32 bit and 64 bit architecture for audio? If you do not have a _specific_ requirement for 32 bit, use 64 bit, of course if you have a 64 bit CPU. :-) Specific requirements _could_ be wine and nVidia's proprietary GPU driver, as far as I know. > When I backuped BSD yesterday, I noticed that PC-BSD 8.2 couldn't mount > all my Linux partitions. I'm not sure, but I suspect I could mount ext3, > but not ext4, at least the backup is on an ext3 partition. That sounds normal. The base OS installation does not cover the high amount of different Linux file systems. > Is there something, perhaps a kernel version, I should prefer to use > FreeBSD on my Linux machine? No, you just need fuse with the required ext3, ext4, ext5, ext(n+1) and ReiserFS functionality. :-) > For audio on FreeBSD is there something to know about real-time, before > I install another BSD? The term "real time" doesn't precisely apply to FreeBSD or any non-RT OS. However, there are some specific Linux distributions that aim at music professionals, offering MIDI functionality, lots of programs relating to that topic, and so on. Many things that work on Linux also tend to work on FreeBSD, but you'll have to try, because audio is a "niche market". :-) > Again the question regarding to a backup I made yesterday. > > My fstab: > /dev/label/rootfs0 / ufs rw,noatime > 1 1 > /dev/label/swap0noneswapsw > 0 0 > /dev/label/var0 /varufs rw,noatime > 1 1 > /dev/label/usr0 /usrufs rw,noatime > 1 1 > procfs /proc procfs rw > 0 0 > linprocfs /compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw > 0 0 > > That's how I backuped: > # dump -0Launf - /dev/label/rootfs0 | bzip2 > > /media/unused8/rootfs0-2012-12-14.dump > # dump -0Launf - /dev/label/var0 | bzip2 > /media/unused8/var0-2012-12-14.dump > # dump -0Launf - /dev/label/usr0 | bzip2 > /media/unused8/usr0-2012-12-14.dump > > IIUC I can backup BSD, while running the BSD I backup and the commands > above did backup everything. I could delete all files and restore it > from this backup. Is this correct? That is correct. You should _test_ your backup; see the -t and -N options mentioned in "man restore". Make sure you backup all your partitions -- I see you have /, /var and /usr; if that's everything, it's okay. Additionally, you could backup your disks's MBR using dd. # dd if=/dev/ of=/where/your/backup/is/disk_mbr.dd bs=512 count=1 Just in case. You probably won't need it. But who knows... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software Manager - try again later
Thank you :) I've got some thoughts, before I continue. What version of FreeBSD does include the snd_hdspe driver? Do I have to download and burn a version > 9.0? Since the issue to get the needed slice/partition with the needed file system is solved by installing PC-BSD 8.2 instead of FreeBSD 9.0, I could backup the current install and then delete all files (but keep the slice and fs) and try to install FreeBSD again. If it shouldn't work, I still could restore PC-BSD from the backup. Since I want to test audio and MIDI, I wonder if 64 bit is the right choice. Is there something I should know about advantages and drawbacks of 32 bit and 64 bit architecture for audio? When I backuped BSD yesterday, I noticed that PC-BSD 8.2 couldn't mount all my Linux partitions. I'm not sure, but I suspect I could mount ext3, but not ext4, at least the backup is on an ext3 partition. Is there something, perhaps a kernel version, I should prefer to use FreeBSD on my Linux machine? For audio on FreeBSD is there something to know about real-time, before I install another BSD? First I'll subscribe and ask on http://lists.pcbsd.org/mailman/listinfo/support, if I can fix issues for the current install, but perhaps it's wiser to make a new install. Again the question regarding to a backup I made yesterday. My fstab: /dev/label/rootfs0 / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 /dev/label/swap0noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/label/var0 /varufs rw,noatime 1 1 /dev/label/usr0 /usrufs rw,noatime 1 1 procfs /proc procfs rw 0 0 linprocfs /compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 That's how I backuped: # dump -0Launf - /dev/label/rootfs0 | bzip2 > /media/unused8/rootfs0-2012-12-14.dump # dump -0Launf - /dev/label/var0 | bzip2 > /media/unused8/var0-2012-12-14.dump # dump -0Launf - /dev/label/usr0 | bzip2 > /media/unused8/usr0-2012-12-14.dump IIUC I can backup BSD, while running the BSD I backup and the commands above did backup everything. I could delete all files and restore it from this backup. Is this correct? Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software Manager - try again later
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:25:17 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 13:11 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > Mixing PBI and ports/packages is possible, but discouraged. > > I read about it, but don't understand the issue. > > If I never ever would use PBI again but ports/packages only in the > future, it still would cause issues? The port directory isn't empty. As far as I know, this wouldn't be a problem on PC-BSD, as long as you don't deal with applications that are already installed. I don't know if PBI properly interoperates with ports and packages as there are many things to consider: package lists, directory structures and locations, and software databases. > I installed PC-BSD 8.2, regarding to the issues to partition, when I > started with FreeBSD 9.0, > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-multimedia/2012-December/013680.html > . > > Manually downloading and installing is ok as a workaround, but in the > end everything should work without workarounds. There is also a CLI utility to avoid the unpleasant process of fiddling with a web browser and holding the wizard's hand during installation. :-) > So PC-BSD isn't really FreeBSD ;)? I asked before I installed it ;) and > it was said, that it is FreeBSD ;). Not quite. PC-BSD is "FreeBSD _and_", which means that the core of the system is FreeBSD, but it gets some special features such as the PBI installer and the integration and preconfiguration of the KDE desktop. It also has a custom installer. This implies that there are few things that could be called "incompatibilities", but that harsh word doesn't fit well. PC-BSD can be considered a FreeBSD "derivate" (again, doesn't fit well) for easier desktop (!) installation, with the recommendation to use its native tools (instead of the FreeBSD native tools), like "stay in your garage and use _your_ tools, not mine". :-) > However, since I've got my Linux for work, I don't depend on BSD. I can > spend some time to get BSD working :), OTOH I don't have much time to do > the same things again and again + I have to avoid that working on BSD > might damage my Linux installs or data. Unless you're doing something stupid (TM) with partitions, there shouldn't be any problem. It's not that some background process overwrites the partition table without anyone noticing... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software Manager - try again later
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 13:11 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > Mixing PBI and ports/packages is possible, but discouraged. I read about it, but don't understand the issue. If I never ever would use PBI again but ports/packages only in the future, it still would cause issues? The port directory isn't empty. I installed PC-BSD 8.2, regarding to the issues to partition, when I started with FreeBSD 9.0, http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-multimedia/2012-December/013680.html . Manually downloading and installing is ok as a workaround, but in the end everything should work without workarounds. So PC-BSD isn't really FreeBSD ;)? I asked before I installed it ;) and it was said, that it is FreeBSD ;). However, since I've got my Linux for work, I don't depend on BSD. I can spend some time to get BSD working :), OTOH I don't have much time to do the same things again and again + I have to avoid that working on BSD might damage my Linux installs or data. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Software Manager - try again later
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:38:08 + (GMT), Mardorf Ralf wrote: > Hi :) > > > Software Manager (PC-BSD 8.2) can't install software. > Removing and updating software does work, but if I try to install software, I > get > "Download failed! Please try again later." and I tried again for several days. > I couldn't find a hint searching the web, so any hints are welcome ( > http://lmgtfy.com/ ;). > > This happens when I try to install Evolution, AbiWord, Claws, Hydrogen and > others. I know it doesn't address the problem directly, but have you tried using other methods of installing software on PC-BSD, which are: 1. download a PBI and execute it 2. use pkg_add -r 3. use ports collection I'm aware of the fact that this doesn't conform to PC-BSD's software maintenance paradigm, but it should work. Mixing PBI and ports/packages is possible, but discouraged. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Software Manager - try again later
Hi :) Software Manager (PC-BSD 8.2) can't install software. Removing and updating software does work, but if I try to install software, I get "Download failed! Please try again later." and I tried again for several days. I couldn't find a hint searching the web, so any hints are welcome ( http://lmgtfy.com/ ;). This happens when I try to install Evolution, AbiWord, Claws, Hydrogen and others. Ciao, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Dispatching software that works
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Re: OT: problems with gpl-licensed software
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:09:32 -0700 (MST) > From: Dale Scott > Subject: Re: OT: problems with gpl-licensed software > > > Thinking about extending or dual-licensing a gpl-licensed software ? > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/11/7/338 > > IANAL, but my understanding from researching the GPL is that if a piece > of software functions as an integrated part of some other software that ilicense under the GPL, then the software in question *can* be > considered to be a derived work of the other software - and under the > terms of the GPL must also be licensed by the GPL (even if the author has > copyright ownership and distributes their software separately, which are > the most common reasons I've seen given for why the GPL should not > apply). nitpick -- if any GPL-licensed software is included in an executable, then the _entire_ app *must* be GPL-licensed -- this is a condition of the license of the GPLed software the latest version of the GPL attempts to impose GPL licensing on stand- alone apps that operate in an intimately connected fashion with a GPLed app -- on the basis that it is a derived work, as you mention. The 'derived work' arqument is questionable, but has not been challenged in court -- successfully or otherwise. An owner of rights in an independantly developed piece of a GPLed app, _can_ impose additional licensing requirements AS LONG AS those added requirements do not conflict with the GPL terms. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OT: problems with gpl-licensed software
> Thinking about extending or dual-licensing a gpl-licensed software ? > https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/11/7/338 Interesting thread, but if you are implying that dual-licensing GPL software is in general dangerous, then I would respectfully disagree. The real issue in the linked thread seems to be over whether or not the authors of the file system code have total copyright ownership of their code. IANAL, but my understanding from researching the GPL is that if a piece of software functions as an integrated part of some other software that is licensed under the GPL, then the software in question *can* be considered to be a derived work of the other software - and under the terms of the GPL must also be licensed by the GPL (even if the author has copyright ownership and distributes their software separately, which are the most common reasons I've seen given for why the GPL should not apply). However, regardless of whether or not the software "must" be licensed by the GPL, the copyright holder holder has the right to provide the software under whatever license they want, which could be in addition to the GPL. If the purpose of dual-licensing is to allow the creation of a proprietary product that the GPL does not extend to, then copyright ownership should be sufficient. The typical difficulty an open source project has is demonstrating copyright ownership over every line of their code - which typically requires a CAA (Copyright Assignment Agreement) executed individually with each contributor unless the code is a work for hire (i.e. is entirely developed by a company's employees). Other reading that may be interesting: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/foss-primer.pdf http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLAndPlugins - Original Message - From: "jb" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:24:26 AM Subject: OT: problems with gpl-licensed software Thinking about extending or dual-licensing a gpl-licensed software ? https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/11/7/338 jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
OT: problems with gpl-licensed software
Thinking about extending or dual-licensing a gpl-licensed software ? https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/11/7/338 jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Stay out of GPL and Linux software in *BSD
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Re: Architectural CAD software
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:53 PM, wrote: > Good afternoon, FreeBSD enthusiasts. I did not receive a response to the > following message, so I would like to rephrase the question. Does anyone > use an architectural CAD application with FreeBSD? If so, would you be > willing to share any comments, opinions, or advice with me concerning your > experience with this software? Many thanks in advance. Yours truly, Lee > Shackelford > > Good day FreeBSD enthusiasts. Has anyone installed and used CYCAS > architectural CAD software on a FreeBSD system? Is this possible? If you > have used CYCAS on a FreeBSD system, would you like to share with me your > comments about your experience? Many thanks. Lee Shackelford > > You may study the following list to select a suitable port/package : http://www.freebsd.org/ports/cad.html ( FreeBSD Ports: Cad ) ( Computer Aided Design utilities. ) If you need , the following chapter may be useful : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html ( Chapter 5 Installing Applications: Packages and Ports ) Some sample ports/packages : .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/brlcad/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/brlcad/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/brlcad.tbz http://brlcad.org/ .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/librecad/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/librecad/ http://www.freshports.org/cad/librecad/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-8.3-release/Latest/librecad.tbz It seems that librecad does NOT exist in : ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/ http://librecad.org/cms/home.html .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/opencascade/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/opencascade/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/opencascade.tbz http://www.opencascade.org/ .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/opencascade-tutorial/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/openscad/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/openscad.tbz http://www.openscad.org/ .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/qcad/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/qcad/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/qcad-partslib.tbz ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/qcad.tbz http://www.ribbonsoft.com/en/qcad .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/varkon/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/varkon/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/varkon.tbz http://varkon.sourceforge.net/ .. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Architectural CAD software
> > From: "leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net" >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:53 PM >Subject: Architectural CAD software > >Good afternoon, FreeBSD enthusiasts. I did not receive a response to the >following message, so I would like to rephrase the question. Does anyone use >an architectural CAD application with FreeBSD? If so, would you be willing to >share any comments, opinions, or advice with me concerning your experience >with this software? Many thanks in advance. Yours truly, Lee Shackelford Hi Lee, you could ask this same question on a Linux (or better, Ubuntu) forum/mailing list, surely you'll receive more answers, then you can see if the CAD apps used by them will run on FreeBSD (I'm quite sure them will work). Why I say a Linux forum is better for this? because I don't know any non-computer-geek who uses FreeBSD, but there are a lot of Architects/Graphic Artists using Linux, and specially Ubuntu right now. Leonardo M. Ramé http://leonardorame.blogspot.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Architectural CAD software
Good afternoon, FreeBSD enthusiasts. I did not receive a response to the following message, so I would like to rephrase the question. Does anyone use an architectural CAD application with FreeBSD? If so, would you be willing to share any comments, opinions, or advice with me concerning your experience with this software? Many thanks in advance. Yours truly, Lee Shackelford --- Begin Message --- Good day FreeBSD enthusiasts. Has anyone installed and used CYCAS architectural CAD software on a FreeBSD system? Is this possible? If you have used CYCAS on a FreeBSD system, would you like to share with me your comments about your experience? Many thanks. Lee Shackelford --- End Message --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
CYCAS architectural C.A.D. software
Good day FreeBSD enthusiasts. Has anyone installed and used CYCAS architectural CAD software on a FreeBSD system? Is this possible? If you have used CYCAS on a FreeBSD system, would you like to share with me your comments about your experience? Many thanks. Lee Shackelford ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
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Re: Question about FreeBSD for IA-64 software
Hi, Reference: > From: Denis Guzanov > Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:45:54 +0400 > Message-id: > Denis Guzanov wrote: > Dear FreeBSD Team, > > Firstly I would like to say you Big thanks for your really good job and the > best system for us, small IT staff. > > Second, I would like to ask you about some problem with FreeBSD source. > > I've downloaded .iso Image from this link: > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ia64/ia64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/following > iso file: FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE-ia64-release.iso did you check the MD5 ? > And when I tried to install it I have nothing You'll need to be more specific. > I did it many times, but > have no result. When I've downloaded 8.3 version Installation was completed > successfully. > > Dear FreeBSD Team, could you, please, check your .iso file for IA-64 > systems or maybe consult me what I need to do? > > > Thanks and Best regards, > Denis. > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Question about FreeBSD for IA-64 software
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Denis Guzanov wrote: > Dear FreeBSD Team, > > Firstly I would like to say you Big thanks for your really good job and the > best system for us, small IT staff. > > Second, I would like to ask you about some problem with FreeBSD source. > > I've downloaded .iso Image from this link: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ia64/ia64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/following > .iso file: FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE-ia64-release.iso > > And when I tried to install it I have nothing I did it many times, but > have no result. When I've downloaded 8.3 version Installation was completed > successfully. > > Dear FreeBSD Team, could you, please, check your .iso file for IA-64 > systems or maybe consult me what I need to do? > > > Thanks and Best regards, > Denis. > >From your question , it is not possible to understand which 8.3 version is used . It is very unlikely that 9.0 fails completely but 8.3 succeeds completely . ia64 is for Itanium 64 processor , amd64 is Intel and AMD 64-bit capable desktop or notebook processors . They are different processors , and one can not execute code for the other . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Question about FreeBSD for IA-64 software
Dear FreeBSD Team, Firstly I would like to say you Big thanks for your really good job and the best system for us, small IT staff. Second, I would like to ask you about some problem with FreeBSD source. I've downloaded .iso Image from this link: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ia64/ia64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/following .iso file: FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE-ia64-release.iso And when I tried to install it I have nothing I did it many times, but have no result. When I've downloaded 8.3 version Installation was completed successfully. Dear FreeBSD Team, could you, please, check your .iso file for IA-64 systems or maybe consult me what I need to do? Thanks and Best regards, Denis. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Frank Staals wrote: > Ciprian Dorin Craciun writes: > >> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Frank Bonnet wrote: >>> Hello >>> >>> I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) >>> >>> More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors >>> a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data >>> from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... >>> ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) >>> >>> Anyone could help ? >>> Thank you >> >> >> Although it's not "cloud"-labeled, and: >> * if you're interested only in data (as in files) management; >> * and you want to host it your self; >> , you could take a look over OpenAFS. It's quite nice, works over >> WAN, supported on most modern OS's, and has strong authentication and >> authorization. (I don't know about Smartphones, tablets, etc.) >> >> Ciprian. > > Hmm that sounds interesting. Do you know how persistent the local cache > is? If I do something like: open some (large) remote file (hence the > large file is transferred to the client), reboot the client, and reopen > the large file again. Is the large file then transferred again? > (assuming no other clients changed the file in the mean time). The > website is not particularly specific about the caching policy. If the > file is only transferred once it could be useful to sorta kinda fake > something like dropbox. > > Regards, I'm not very OpenAFS knowing, I only use it for myself and my family, but I would guess that a persistent cache would survive a reboot. I've also seen something on their mailing list regarding an "offline" mode (maybe it was called "detached" mode)? I strongly advise you to take it into consideration as it was made for such purposes and has great support for things like quota, multiple file servers, replication, etc. (It is also used by some large financial companies, maybe JP Morgan?, see their "use cases" page, but certainly universities are enlisted there, so is CERN.) Ciprian. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Ciprian Dorin Craciun writes: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Frank Bonnet wrote: >> Hello >> >> I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) >> >> More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors >> a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data >> from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... >> ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) >> >> Anyone could help ? >> Thank you > > > Although it's not "cloud"-labeled, and: > * if you're interested only in data (as in files) management; > * and you want to host it your self; > , you could take a look over OpenAFS. It's quite nice, works over > WAN, supported on most modern OS's, and has strong authentication and > authorization. (I don't know about Smartphones, tablets, etc.) > > Ciprian. Hmm that sounds interesting. Do you know how persistent the local cache is? If I do something like: open some (large) remote file (hence the large file is transferred to the client), reboot the client, and reopen the large file again. Is the large file then transferred again? (assuming no other clients changed the file in the mean time). The website is not particularly specific about the caching policy. If the file is only transferred once it could be useful to sorta kinda fake something like dropbox. Regards, -- - Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hello > > I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) > > More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors > a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data > from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... > ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) > > Anyone could help ? > Thank you Although it's not "cloud"-labeled, and: * if you're interested only in data (as in files) management; * and you want to host it your self; , you could take a look over OpenAFS. It's quite nice, works over WAN, supported on most modern OS's, and has strong authentication and authorization. (I don't know about Smartphones, tablets, etc.) Ciprian. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Thanks Marcelo seems useful for me let's try tomorrow Le 28/05/2012 16:51, Marcelo Celleri a écrit : Hi, You could try sprakleshare, it's something like dropbox in your own server. Marcelo. El vie, 25-05-2012 a las 18:41 -0500, Derek Ragona escribió: At 06:15 AM 5/25/2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 12:10 PM, Dennis Glatting wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data >from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) There is a couple of cheap ways of doing this. First, download the free version of VMWare ESXi and partition your hardware. Another is to install VirtualBox, a Type-2 HyperVisor. Depending on what you consider a cloud, take a look at Hadoop. Hadoop isn't partitioning hardware but Hadoop and the applications that run on top of Hadoop can give you an interesting view of these technologies and how they can be applied to cloudy data. As for how to get data into/out-of the cloud, let me know how that works. :) Hi Dennis Thank you for that info ! gonna investigate the hadoop way. I have built and managed a couple large hadoop clusters. Contact me directly for more information. -Derek ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Hi, You could try sprakleshare, it's something like dropbox in your own server. Marcelo. El vie, 25-05-2012 a las 18:41 -0500, Derek Ragona escribió: > At 06:15 AM 5/25/2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: > >On 05/25/2012 12:10 PM, Dennis Glatting wrote: > >>On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: > >>>Hello > >>> > >>>I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) > >>> > >>>More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors > >>>a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data > >>>from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... > >>>( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) > >>There is a couple of cheap ways of doing this. First, download the free > >>version of VMWare ESXi and partition your hardware. Another is to > >>install VirtualBox, a Type-2 HyperVisor. > >> > >>Depending on what you consider a cloud, take a look at Hadoop. Hadoop > >>isn't partitioning hardware but Hadoop and the applications that run on > >>top of Hadoop can give you an interesting view of these technologies and > >>how they can be applied to cloudy data. > >> > >>As for how to get data into/out-of the cloud, let me know how that > >>works. :) > >> > >> > >> > > > >Hi Dennis > > > >Thank you for that info ! > >gonna investigate the hadoop way. > > > > > > I have built and managed a couple large hadoop clusters. Contact me > directly for more information. > > -Derek > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:11:21 +0200 Frank Bonnet wrote: > More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors > a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data > from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... > ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Unless you are telling us what in detail you like to offer to you people, a ssh-account at a server will allow all this. Cheers, Frank -- Frank Lanitz pgpXeuq5W9CTN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: "Cloud" software ?
> Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access > and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) NFS + AMD > The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Aim for device drivers & servers that can interact as client & server pairs over tcp/ip, Examples: /usr/ports/graphics/xsane http://www.xsane.org/ /usr/ports/sysutils/nut http://www.networkupstools.org/ X windows split screens & client proceses. & try to avoid neeeding to have to run specific programs only on the host connected to the device. > Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) Non native English is not the cause of misunderstanding :-) Misunderstanding comes from expecting technolgists to derive much if anything from the Marketer/ Salesman / Manager promoted phrase "Cloud Computing", which I've found so far carries nothing new, for those who've already been working in distributed Unix environments. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
At 06:15 AM 5/25/2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 12:10 PM, Dennis Glatting wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) There is a couple of cheap ways of doing this. First, download the free version of VMWare ESXi and partition your hardware. Another is to install VirtualBox, a Type-2 HyperVisor. Depending on what you consider a cloud, take a look at Hadoop. Hadoop isn't partitioning hardware but Hadoop and the applications that run on top of Hadoop can give you an interesting view of these technologies and how they can be applied to cloudy data. As for how to get data into/out-of the cloud, let me know how that works. :) Hi Dennis Thank you for that info ! gonna investigate the hadoop way. I have built and managed a couple large hadoop clusters. Contact me directly for more information. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question about milter software
I guess it's pretty subjective, which is how I should have originally prefaced my statement. I used sendmail for a long time, and always hated working with m4 or direct sendmail configuration files. well i just used README file and sometimes google. For me, Postfix is so much easier, but to each his own. it's mostly personal preferences. both are rather configurable, just different way. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question about milter software
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I think you'll find Postfix to be much more modern and easy to work >> with for that kind of message rewriting. > > > you are actually wrong in that statement. In spite of hype that postscript > started with, i am still using sendmail because it is actually easiest if > you learn it. I guess it's pretty subjective, which is how I should have originally prefaced my statement. I used sendmail for a long time, and always hated working with m4 or direct sendmail configuration files. For me, Postfix is so much easier, but to each his own. For your immediate need, I'd look at http://www.ledge.co.za/software/disclaimermilter/ or MIMEDefang (http://www.mimedefang.org/) which appears to be able to add disclaimers. Patrick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) "Access" is still a bit vague, but security/openvpn may be part of the answer: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source.html for windows users i would recommend mpd - it provides VPN in windows standard, just use windows "add connection", select "VPN connection to work" and go on. Some months ago, I read about an in-browser implementation of VNC (if I remember correctly), but I didn't store the link. Maybe that is an inspiration? Simple solution for simple people: People love web browsers, and the web is everywhere. So why deal with OS-specific access methods when all they need is a web browser, which is a solution they'll prefer anyway? There are also SSH clients written in Java or JavaScript. if you can make people use unix-only software, this is fine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
As he said in his post, NFS is the first place to start. It's available on FreeBSD, Linux, Mac OS, other Unix derived systems, and Windows 7. The one thing to be careful of is that it works best when you have all home directories on central servers and all access is on client machines. It is i would strongly recommend serving windows clients with windows protocol (samba), it is just simple and works great For earlier (< 7) Windows boxes, one possibility is running Samba on the Unix servers. This would seem most natural to a Windows user as they merely have to browse the network to find the shared file systems. With windows 7 samba still is far better. And with NFS you will not be able to enforce security without making separate filesystem for each user. However, another possibility is running a WebDAV server that makes the home directories visible. Windows (>= XP) can connect drive letters to WebDAV servers, and there are also Android and iPhone apps that can access WebDAV. if really someone needs HTTP based file access (IMHO stupid) because phones require this i would rather set it up parallel to SAMBA and/or NFS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) Well, this should reduce the cloud to an sftp-server or - if their stuff isn't security sensitive to an ftp-server. depends on connectivity. If you just want to access small files sometimes then right. or have high speed connections, then SAMBA and NFS is right tool. if you want 1000 users to have their "home" directories always on their computers but with copy kept centrally, then it would be best to keep it locally and run rsync (for unix users) or syncback under windoze to just synchronize it every day after work. If you need some shared directories but where one person changes data and other reads - then still that solution is great. But if you don't have fast links, operate on directories shared between users where more than one have to write, then something more complex is needed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question about milter software
At 08:21 AM 5/25/2012, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Does anyone know milter software (or maybe anything else) to add to sendmail that can rewrite outgoing mail and add HTML footer automatically? Please do not tell me about how stupid HTML mail is at all - i know it, it is not my idea. thanks I have used milter with sendmail. You can add an outgoing email footer. If you need more information, email me directly. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
At 03:11 AM 5/25/2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Anyone could help ? Thank you Take a look at OpenStack http://openstack.org/ The latest release which is Essex, includes a web based dashboard. This is OpenSource, and definitely a work in progress but the Essex release should provide most of the "cloud" functionality. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nfs.html 30.3 Network File System (NFS) Use NFS : Define each computer as both "Server" to serve to other users(s) and "Client" .to see the other server(s) . If there are Windows computers , you may also use SAMBA : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-samba.html all are great and heavily used be me but i think it may not fit on distributed environment with where network is far slower than 100Mbit/s inbetween. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) yes NOW IT IS CLEAR. Couldn't you start that way. There are many solutions and it depends of what you need. On large scale maybe something like AFS? Or maybe far more trivial methods would be enough. It all depends. fell free to mail me privately. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the "cloud" term ... you didn't. You just started a flame of requests to be more precise and go down from the clouds to earth. So finally write down what you need, and we most probably can help you. But... if you want to just sell some solution, make anything and just promote it enough calling it cloud computing and it would probably sell ;) until this bubble (just like bubbles before) would crash ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question about milter software
I think you'll find Postfix to be much more modern and easy to work with for that kind of message rewriting. you are actually wrong in that statement. In spite of hype that postscript started with, i am still using sendmail because it is actually easiest if you learn it. But what you're looking for is pretty complicated when you start having to deal with multipart messages; the messages have to be this is unfortunately true, because i could quickly do myself a filter that would trivially append footer, but it will not work. That's the reason of my question - IF such (quite complex) software is already written. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On Fri, 25 May 2012 09:47:24 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > $ man -k cloud > http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-05-25 Very nice, but please compare: http://xkcd.com/908/ :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On Fri, 25 May 2012 12:11:43 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 25 May 2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: > > > > Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and > > share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) > > The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. > > Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) > > "Access" is still a bit vague, but security/openvpn may be part of the > answer: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source.html Some months ago, I read about an in-browser implementation of VNC (if I remember correctly), but I didn't store the link. Maybe that is an inspiration? Simple solution for simple people: People love web browsers, and the web is everywhere. So why deal with OS-specific access methods when all they need is a web browser, which is a solution they'll prefer anyway? There are also SSH clients written in Java or JavaScript. Together with webmail, web-based collaboration services and web-based storage concepts, why not add this to the mix? I know, attack vector, security hole, slow, unhandy and accessibility very limited to what the browser can do (both on input and output), but isn't that what people believe in? Don't disturb their circles, just give them what they pray for, a cloud... a shiny foggy cloud... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) "Access" is still a bit vague, but security/openvpn may be part of the answer: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question about milter software
I think you'll find Postfix to be much more modern and easy to work with for that kind of message rewriting. But what you're looking for is pretty complicated when you start having to deal with multipart messages; the messages have to be completely processed and separated into respective parts, and then once the rich part is found, you've got to parse the HTML and insert the footer into the right spot, and then recompile the message. And if the message is plain text only, you can't insert HTML and have it be displayed as such. In short, I doubt you'll have much success in doing this well. It would be better to configure this in the email client and lock that down somehow. Patrick On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > Does anyone know milter software (or maybe anything else) to add to sendmail > that can rewrite outgoing mail and add HTML footer automatically? > > Please do not tell me about how stupid HTML mail is at all - i know it, it > is not my idea. > > thanks > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Quoth Wojciech Puchar on Friday, 25 May 2012: > > > >With apologies to Joni Mitchell: > > > >I've looked at clouds from both sides now, > >From up and down, and still somehow, > >It's cloud illusions I recall, > >I really don't know clouds, at all. > > > >Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype > >perfectly. > > fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it > works just the same in IT. What is funny with "cloud computing" (new > fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing > people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people > buyANYTHING. $ man -k cloud http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-05-25 -- .O. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..O | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgpSv8z6cK5bB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On 05/25/12 16:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: [big snip] Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) That's fine. OK, so you're after basic file system visibility everywhere. You should look at Mehmet Erol Sanliturk's reply as well, he gives useful links. As he said in his post, NFS is the first place to start. It's available on FreeBSD, Linux, Mac OS, other Unix derived systems, and Windows 7. The one thing to be careful of is that it works best when you have all home directories on central servers and all access is on client machines. It is possible to cross mount NFS that machines act as both servers and clients but it has many problems and one server crashing can cause everything to lock up. (Been there, done that, cursed repeatedly.) For earlier (< 7) Windows boxes, one possibility is running Samba on the Unix servers. This would seem most natural to a Windows user as they merely have to browse the network to find the shared file systems. However, another possibility is running a WebDAV server that makes the home directories visible. Windows (>= XP) can connect drive letters to WebDAV servers, and there are also Android and iPhone apps that can access WebDAV. This would let smartphone and tablet users get to the shared data, if that's useful. Please note that I use Android but not iOS, so any IOS suggestions are from a quick Google search, not experience. It also seems that you have to pay for the relevant iOS apps. Maybe an iPhone/iPad user can improve on this? I hope this is of some help. Possibly useful links: The handbook chapter on network servers. This covers NFS, Samba and Apache which can be used for WebDAV. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/book.html#NETWORK-SERVERS Wikipedia on WebDAV. This links onwards to all sorts of related resources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV An Android app that can access WebDAV (and much more besides). This is one I use, but please note that I haven't used it specifically for WebDAV. You may be able to find others but this is well rated. It's got free and paid for versions. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xcxin.filexpert A (paid for) iPhone WebDAV app. Apparently iWork for iOS can also handle WebDAV, but I know nothing about it or its suitability. http://greenbytes.de/dav-e.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Hi! On 25.05.2012 17:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:49 PM, Arthur Chance wrote: On 05/25/12 15:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with "cloud computing" (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the "cloud" term ... I wasn't flaming, just remarking on the fact that the meaning of "cloud" depends on the company that is trying to sell you cloud related products. next time I'll choose better words :-) A bit more specific would be useful. we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices could be taken to mean anything from WebDAV/Dropbox functionality to Hadoop type processing or data mining. What sort of and how much "manipulation" is needed? If you answer that it would let us help you more. Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) Well, this should reduce the cloud to an sftp-server or - if their stuff isn't security sensitive to an ftp-server. Greetings Uli. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Frank Bonnet wrote: > On 05/25/2012 04:49 PM, Arthur Chance wrote: > >> On 05/25/12 15:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: >> >>> On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> > With apologies to Joni Mitchell: > > I've looked at clouds from both sides now, > From up and down, and still somehow, > It's cloud illusions I recall, > I really don't know clouds, at all. > > Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype > perfectly. > fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with "cloud computing" (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. >>> >>> Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the "cloud" term ... >>> >> >> I wasn't flaming, just remarking on the fact that the meaning of "cloud" >> depends on the company that is trying to sell you cloud related products. >> >> next time I'll choose better words :-) >>> >> >> A bit more specific would be useful. >> >> we would like to offer to our students and professors >>> a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data >>> from almost anywhere and with almost any devices >>> >> >> could be taken to mean anything from WebDAV/Dropbox functionality to >> Hadoop type processing or data mining. What sort of and how much >> "manipulation" is needed? If you answer that it would let us help you more. >> > > > Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and > share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) > The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. > Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nfs.html 30.3 Network File System (NFS) Use NFS : Define each computer as both "Server" to serve to other users(s) and "Client" .to see the other server(s) . If there are Windows computers , you may also use SAMBA : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-samba.html 30.9 File and Print Services for Microsoft® Windows® Clients (Samba) Windows 7 may see NFS , but previous editions , personally I do NOT know any possibility . http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/sonasic/sonas1ic/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.sonas.doc%2Fusgr_cnnctng_via_nfs_frm_wndws.html Enabling the NFS client on a Windows 7 system: 1. Select Control Panel. 2. Select Programs. 3. Select Programs and Features. 4. Select Turn Windows Features on or off. 5. Select Services for NFS. 6. Select the check box Client for NFS and click OK. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On 05/25/2012 04:49 PM, Arthur Chance wrote: On 05/25/12 15:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with "cloud computing" (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the "cloud" term ... I wasn't flaming, just remarking on the fact that the meaning of "cloud" depends on the company that is trying to sell you cloud related products. next time I'll choose better words :-) A bit more specific would be useful. we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices could be taken to mean anything from WebDAV/Dropbox functionality to Hadoop type processing or data mining. What sort of and how much "manipulation" is needed? If you answer that it would let us help you more. Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On 05/25/12 15:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with "cloud computing" (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the "cloud" term ... I wasn't flaming, just remarking on the fact that the meaning of "cloud" depends on the company that is trying to sell you cloud related products. next time I'll choose better words :-) A bit more specific would be useful. we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices could be taken to mean anything from WebDAV/Dropbox functionality to Hadoop type processing or data mining. What sort of and how much "manipulation" is needed? If you answer that it would let us help you more. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Hello Frank, Am 2012-05-25 10:11:21, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > Hello > > I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) LOL :-P :-D > More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors > a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data > from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... > ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) I do storage and database services since 1999 and run currently more then 400 servers in 6 locations. When some years ago peoples startinfg talking about "cloud computing" I was puzzeling arround what they mean with it... Realy, - I understood nothing. What they have defined as "Cloud Computing" I have used already for more then 10 years. Or do they mean with "cloud computing" adding new interfaces to a huge storage server with an "office webinterface" ? What I am adding to my service is an access for smartphones and tablets. Something like image galleries (private, groups, public, shared, ACLs), Video Interface (works like YouTube or even private streaming) is already since several years... Yeah, what I am missing is a Web-Version of OpenOffice or LibreOffice, which let users read, create and edit documents... But there is already work in progress. So, what does "Cloud Computing" realy mean? Something like a clustered hyperspeedy calculator? Yes you can get if from me. The system use unused capacities of my 400 servers plus a self made BladeServer with 256 CPUs (currently only 64 inserted because they are quiet expensive) > Anyone could help ? Not realy ;-) becaue it depends, what you undertsnd under Cloud Systems / Cloud Computing / Cloud Networking > Thank you Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing <http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/> itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with "cloud computing" (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the "cloud" term ... next time I'll choose better words :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with "cloud computing" (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On 05/25/12 14:16, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) look at clouds. More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) if you first define what "cloud" is - then maybe i can help you. Now "cloud" is just marketdroid term meaning 100 different things, often contradictory. With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
the antithesis of 'cloud'?" I would never invest a dime or a single bit of data to a cloud venture. how one can invest of something that isn't even defined clearly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
question about milter software
Does anyone know milter software (or maybe anything else) to add to sendmail that can rewrite outgoing mail and add HTML footer automatically? Please do not tell me about how stupid HTML mail is at all - i know it, it is not my idea. thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
i think most people talking about "cloud" solutions have really CLOUDY idea of what they want. Far too much marketing, far too little (if any) description of the needs. On Fri, 25 May 2012, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 25/05/2012 10:11, Frank Bonnet wrote: a kind of private cloud Uh... Isn't 'private' essentially the antithesis of 'cloud'? Unless you have quite a lot of hardware to play with. I believe what you are looking for is what we old codgers would describe as a "Web Site"... Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) look at clouds. More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) if you first define what "cloud" is - then maybe i can help you. Now "cloud" is just marketdroid term meaning 100 different things, often contradictory. If for you "cloud computing" means using remote services, then all FreeBSD available software are "cloud" software - just log remotely to FreeBSD server, by text (telnet,ssh) or graphics (X11, vnc) which is what i actually do most of the time ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On Fri, 25 May 2012 12:59:19 +0200 Frank Staals articulated: >As others have also already hinted at, I think you should be more >specific about what you want your ``cloud software'' to do. Without >that you will get K answers suggesting some software system that try >to solve K completely different problems. My part in those K different >answers: maybe OwnCloud[1] does something what you would want? I fully concur with Matthew's assessment, "Isn't 'private' essentially the antithesis of 'cloud'?" I would never invest a dime or a single bit of data to a cloud venture. However, that is just my 2¢ on the matter. In any case, good luck with your venture. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Woolsey-Swanson Rule: People would rather live with a problem they cannot solve rather than accept a solution they cannot understand. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Frank Bonnet writes: > Hello > > I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) > > More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors > a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data > from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... > ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) > > Anyone could help ? > Thank you As others have also already hinted at, I think you should be more specific about what you want your ``cloud software'' to do. Without that you will get K answers suggesting some software system that try to solve K completely different problems. My part in those K different answers: maybe OwnCloud[1] does something what you would want? Good luck & Regards, [1] http://owncloud.org/ -- - Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On 05/25/2012 12:10 PM, Dennis Glatting wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) There is a couple of cheap ways of doing this. First, download the free version of VMWare ESXi and partition your hardware. Another is to install VirtualBox, a Type-2 HyperVisor. Depending on what you consider a cloud, take a look at Hadoop. Hadoop isn't partitioning hardware but Hadoop and the applications that run on top of Hadoop can give you an interesting view of these technologies and how they can be applied to cloudy data. As for how to get data into/out-of the cloud, let me know how that works. :) Hi Dennis Thank you for that info ! gonna investigate the hadoop way. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hello > > I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) > > More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors > a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data > from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... > ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) > There is a couple of cheap ways of doing this. First, download the free version of VMWare ESXi and partition your hardware. Another is to install VirtualBox, a Type-2 HyperVisor. Depending on what you consider a cloud, take a look at Hadoop. Hadoop isn't partitioning hardware but Hadoop and the applications that run on top of Hadoop can give you an interesting view of these technologies and how they can be applied to cloudy data. As for how to get data into/out-of the cloud, let me know how that works. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On 25/05/2012 10:11, Frank Bonnet wrote: > a kind of private cloud Uh... Isn't 'private' essentially the antithesis of 'cloud'? Unless you have quite a lot of hardware to play with. I believe what you are looking for is what we old codgers would describe as a "Web Site"... Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: "Cloud" software ?
Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hello > > I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) > > More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors > a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data > from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... > ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Cloud-ware for any & all devices & protocols inc. proprietary ? - In London (Soho, tourist trap area) one used to be able buy cans labelled Scotch Mist, nice tartan painting outside, the can was light. - Computer salesmen have offered vapourware for decades, (then rushed back to their engineers & said: "We've sold it, now design it!") - A recent advert bore the slogan "Would you trust your data to a cloud ?" with a small cloud in a dry desert. > Anyone could help ? > Thank you I suggest first specify, then implement. As that's work, here's a global index of BSD consultants wvailable to work: http://berklix.com/consultants/ Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: "Cloud" software ?
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hello > > I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) > > More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors > a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data > from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... > ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) > > Anyone could help ? > Thank you > > I do NOT know whether the following pages may be useful for you or not : http://www.xtreemos.org/ http://www.xtreemfs.org/ http://code.google.com/p/xtreemfs/ http://code.google.com/p/xtreemfs/ http://xtreemos-user.wiki.irisa.fr/tiki-index.php?page=Installation+tutorial https://gforge.inria.fr/scm/?group_id=411 https://gforge.inria.fr/scm/viewvc.php/?root=xtreemos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cloud_computing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cloud_platforms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_software_for_cloud_computing Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
"Cloud" software ?
Hello I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Anyone could help ? Thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
thanks for help. found it non-FreeBSD specific. just this model is not supported by available software. Thanks again On Mon, 14 May 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Wojciech Puchar writes: > /usr/ports/sysutils/apcupsd ? ? - so what to give as device? /dev/ugen1.3? set UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb My BackUPS RS 500 works fine using those and a empty "DEVICE" field. It is possible this is a new/redesigned model that Apcupsd does not handle correctly. (APC is famous for not having a consistant interface, even model lines.) If so, you should post to the apcupsd mailing list where these kind of things get prompt attention. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb My BackUPS RS 500 works fine using those and a empty "DEVICE" field. how your UPS shows in dmesg? It is possible this is a new/redesigned model that Apcupsd does not handle correctly. (APC is famous for not having a consistant interface, even model lines.) If so, you should post to the apcupsd mailing list where these kind of things get prompt attention. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
